bigtplaystew Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 <p>I don't hold the source material to reverence in these comic book adaptations. As long as the movie's good I don't care what they do with the characters. The challenge will be making a good film. Not sticking close to the source material. So The human torch is black? who cares? At least the dude's a solid actor. </p><p> </p><p> I think if Idris Elba played Batman in Nolan's trilogy the films would have been just as good. They probably wouldn't have been as well received but the quality of the films would have been right there. It's not like human torch is black for black's sake and they hired like Kevin Hart or Tyler Perry to do it. They hired a very good, accomplished, and well respected actor and I'm all for it. </p><p> </p><p> I don't think having black actor in a white role is a problem. That said, I don't think anyone is really saying the opposite is true are they? The opposing argument to mine really is about the fact that some people (rightfully so) just want a faithful adaptation that's close to the source material. When you look at a comic book like Fantastic Four which has such a rich history I don't think it's unreasonable to want that.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don't hold the source material to reverence in these comic book adaptations. As long as the movie's good I don't care what they do with the characters.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> But if they don't want to stay the least bit faithful to the source material, why use it at all?</p><p> </p><p> For me, it's the characters that makes the movies. The Avengers, for example, I think was absolutely amazing - it had almost everything I could want from a comic book adaption. But the script itself was nothing special, it was the characters that made the movie. And that's how it will be most of the time when we're talking comic book movies, perhaps with the Dark Knight trilogy being a notable exception.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The challenge will be making a good film. Not sticking close to the source material. So The human torch is black? who cares? At least the dude's a solid actor. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You're obviously not a fan of the source material, then. Fans of the source material want both a good film <em>and</em> something that's true to the source material. And Marvel (and to a certain extent Fox themselves) has shown that's perfectly possibly to do, so why not do it? And why not expect it? And most importantly: why not <em>respect</em> it?</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think if Idris Elba played Batman in Nolan's trilogy the films would have been just as good. They probably wouldn't have been as well received but the quality of the films would have been right there.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Would a black Batman work? Perhaps. But a black Bruce Wayne? It would be a completely different character.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It's not like human torch is black for black's sake and they hired like Kevin Hart or Tyler Perry to do it. They hired a very good, accomplished, and well respected actor and I'm all for it. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I disagree with pretty much everything you say here:</p><p> </p><p> 1) I'm honestly not so sure that him being black wasn't a part of the reason he got the role. In these days, it's a very hip and politically correct to do.</p><p> </p><p> 2) If not the above reason, I'm sure noone can argue against the fact that he got the part because the director loves him. Which is fine. He could have given him a cameo part like Sam Raimi did with Bruce Campbell in the Spider-Man movies.</p><p> </p><p> 3) Accomplished and well-respected actor? He did 1 movie he got some acclaim for! One!</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don't think having black actor in a white role is a problem. That said, I don't think anyone is really saying the opposite is true are they? The opposing argument to mine really is about the fact that some people (rightfully so) just want a faithful adaptation that's close to the source material. When you look at a comic book like Fantastic Four which has such a rich history I don't think it's unreasonable to want that. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> For me, it's about sticking close to the source material. When I watch a movie with the comic book heroes of my childhood, I want to feel like it's actually them up there on the big screen - not just some random dude who just happens to use the same logo on his suit. I'd be equally annoyed if they made Storm white or turned the Scarlet Witch into the Scarlet Warlock. You simply lose a great deal of their backstory, about what their characters are all about.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 <p>Micheal BJordan was nominated for several awards and has won quite a few. Not to mention The Wire, of course. Only one of the finest acted dramas in the history of american television. But you're right, he hasn't done anything, Hive. Just one movie. One.</p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_B._Jordan#Awards_and_nominations" rel="external nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_B._Jordan#Awards_and_nominations</a></p><p> </p><p> Like I tried to be reasonable and offer an adult counterpoint to the discussion and you breakdown line by line and cap it off with one of the wrongest statements in the entire thread...</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm honestly not so sure that him being black wasn't a part of the reason he got the role. In these days, it's a very hip and politically correct to do.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Explain this. I dont recall a white character being played by a black actor in too many comic book adaptations, and certainly none of the recent ones. Heck, what major comic book role went to an actor of a different race other than Kingpin?? Which was in a movie that came out ELEVEN years ago lol. "These days"...</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Micheal BJordan was nominated for several awards and has won quite a few. Not to mention The Wire, of course. Only one of the finest acted dramas in the history of american television. But you're right, he hasn't done anything, Hive. Just one movie. One.<p> </p><p> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_B._Jordan#Awards_and_nominations" rel="external nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_B._Jordan#Awards_and_nominations</a></p><p> </p><p> Like I tried to be reasonable and offer an adult counterpoint to the discussion and you breakdown line by line and cap it off with one of the wrongest statements in the entire thread...</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh yeah, he got both the Soap Opera Digest Award as well as the Black Reel Awards! Wowzer! I naturally take back my comment about him not being a particular accomplished actor, now that I see things in a new light. Thank you for opening my eyes!</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Explain this. I dont recall a white character being played by a black actor in too many comic book adaptations, and certainly none of the recent ones. Heck, what major comic book role went to an actor of a different race other than Kingpin?? Which was in a movie that came out ELEVEN years ago lol. "These days"...</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Actually, I was referring to movies in general being overly eager to show how good they are at representing minorities and being politically correct these days, not comic book movies in particular. But that's a completely different discussion.</p><p> </p><p> As to your question, well the original Nick Fury was white, but since the movie version is built on the Ultimate edition of Nick Fury I won't count that (besides, Jackson is great in the role). Other than Kingpin (which was a weird casting choice, but I guess Kingpin-sized actors didn't hang on trees), just from the top of my head, there's Heimdall, Electro, Catwoman (back in her own, terrible movie)... and that's pretty much all I can recall as far as comic book adaptions go. And with the exception of Kingpin (where lots of decisions were so much worse that the otherwise great Michael Clarke Duncan in that part), I don't think race has mattered in those roles - and I particularly think Jackson and Elba were brilliantly cast. What's that, 5 in total? Not much. But it's still 5 more than black characters turned white (not that I'd want to see that either)... imagine the outcry if something like that happened...</p><p> </p><p> Anyway, this really isn't about race for me. This is about staying true to the characters I know. It's fine by me that movie companies want to feature more black, asian, native american or whatever actors in prominent movie roles - but I'd rather they do it with source material that actually features those races or make up brand new characters. As for comic books, I'd love to see Black Panther and Luke Cage on the big screen. And I can't wait to see where they go with Deathlok in Agents of SHIELD. Oh, and I'm looking forward to seeing Bishop in DoFP, even though he doesn't look quite the part imo.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 <p>Hive I don't understand why you feel this need to be insulting and egotistic. I wasn't even disagreeing with you if you bothered to actually read my original post in context and not break it down line-by-line as if I'm opposed to you. I don't think it's unreasonable to desire a serious adaptation of a comic book you like. I don't think you're wrong about that. I just personally am open to cinematic changes because I always have the source material. Sorry for discussing my opinion I guess.</p><p> </p><p> You're the one saying wrong stuff about Micheal B Jordan being well received in only one role and black actors playing white comic book characters being a trend lol. You came up with TWO examples in the last <em>decade</em>. Two. Be as sarcastic and put up as many walls of text as you want to. You're still wrong about those things. Don't know what else to tell you.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 I saw Sabotage tonight. First time I went on opening night to see anything in a long time. MY spoiler free thoughts? Check out my review: http://totaltalk.comxa.com/2014/03/29/review-sabotage/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 You're the one saying wrong stuff about Micheal B Jordan being well received in only one role Fine, I'll admit I exaggerated. What I meant was that he was known for just the one movie role, which I stand by. He's had success with some well-known TV shows though, I'll agree with you there. I'll stand by my claim that he hasn't won any awards of note though. and black actors playing white comic book characters being a trend lol. Well, since you apparantly either didn't get or simply chose to ignore my last post, I'll say it again: that's actually not at all what I meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Fine, I'll admit I exaggerated. What I meant was that he was known for just the one <em>movie</em> role, which I stand by. He's had success with some well-known TV shows though, I'll agree with you there.<p> </p><p> I'll stand by my claim that he hasn't won any awards of note though.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Well, since you apparantly either didn't get or simply chose to ignore my last post, I'll say it again: that's actually not at all what I meant.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I mean you can keep amending your wrong statements until they are right. That's cool. Whatever satisfies your rather sizable ego. The point remains I offered a fair opinion which you chose to dispute with wrongness. I really don't see a point in furthering the argument as it has little to do with movies at this point.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> So I watched Sabotage and reviewed it on the blog sit RayW set up. Even if you aren't a fan of mine I reccomend you guys check out the site. There's some pretty good writers up there and I think he's still looking for contributors :-)</p><p> </p><p> I went and watched The Last Stand and Escape Plan again for "research"" purposes. Tough life :-)</p><p> </p><p> Sabotage is probably the weakest of the three since Arnold's comeback to starring in Hollywood films. Which, as a fan of his, is somewhat ironic as it's his strongest acting performance of the three. Arnold wasn't required to do a ton of work but he's challenged a bit more than typical. Very strong in that movie. "Sabotage" is still good though and if you're a fan of the guy (as I am) and liked those last two it'll be watchable at the very least. On the horizon for the rest of the weekend: Two "horror" films I've been meaning to get around to: "You're Next" and "The Purge"</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I mean you can keep amending your wrong statements until they are right. That's cool. Whatever satisfies your rather sizable ego.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> How mature of you to resort to personal insults. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I really don't see a point in furthering the argument as it has little to do with movies at this point.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> With that, I agree.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 I just wanna talk about movies... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 I have yet to see You're Next, but The Purge was better than I was expecting. It had one major flaw though and that it was only 86 minutes long. You have this insanely screwed up scenario with bad crap going on, and as a viewer you don't get a chance to give a crap about this family you're supposed to care about. This isn't a movie where they try to get you to cheer the villain either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 I saw the trailer for the sequel. Looks decent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullMETAL Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 I watched Django Unchained on Sunday. DAMN, what a hell of a movie that was! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Saw The Winter Soldier today. Good movie, a different take on the superhero genre with a more spy-thriller feel to it. Really solid action and exciting plot, only with a few hiccups here and there (though one, for me, major one). The best of Marvel Studio's sequels so far. Also: it hinted that we may soon see a certain character on the big screen that has been talked about for quite some time now... cool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 I just saw Grand Buadapest Hotel and it was a quirky, funny movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon_lit_tears Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Soooo I watched Grudge Match. It was funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Soooo I watched Grudge Match. It was funny.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I was bracing for a bad movie but I foudn myself laughing almost despite myself. It was a good time.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellboy2 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 watched Angels and Demons, would of been better if Nicolas Cage played Tom Hanks role since Cage did Face/Off he has started a new phase of acting called Cagism, watch any film and imagine him in the lead role, would become a classic and put Samuel L Jackson in place of Cage in Wickerman remake would of been amazing also watched Lords of Salem, loved it but imagine it not to be everyones cup of tea, i like slow burning horror but without gore films, like exorcist 3 my all time fav film Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawn Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 I guess you guys will laugh, but yesterday i just watched Beverly Hills Chihuahua 3, meaning that i have now watched all the trilogy. BHC 1 is a great (yes, i am serious, i loved the thing, Disney really made a awesome job with it) movie, 2 is right in the middle and quite frankly i enjoyed 3 much more than 2. A shame that only 1 was on the theaters. I'm pumped up for a fourth one, if there is going to really be one. LOL now you guys can laugh because i like dog movies >_> I like nearly every type of movie, really. One of the ones i don't like are the monster horror movies, but i like any other type of horror movies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="hellboy2" data-cite="hellboy2" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>watched Angels and Demons, would of been better if Nicolas Cage played Tom Hanks role<p> </p><p> since Cage did Face/Off he has started a new phase of acting called Cagism, watch any film and imagine him in the lead role, would become a classic</p><p> </p><p> and put Samuel L Jackson in place of Cage in Wickerman remake would of been amazing</p><p> </p><p> also watched Lords of Salem, loved it but imagine it not to be everyones cup of tea, i like slow burning horror but without gore films, like exorcist 3 my all time fav film</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The Wickerman remake still pains me. But what pains me even more was the sequel to the original Wickerman...The Wicker Tree. I spent five bucks on that piece of crap and that was not money well spent.<img alt=":mad:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/mad.png.69834f23b9a8bf290d98375f56f1c794.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> I liked the Lords of Salem as well. It is odd but my friend loves Rob Zombie and anything he puts out but he hated Lords of Salem.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Finally got around to seeing the new Supes movie, and god it was great. Such a positive message it brings... Maybe pure 'action comic'-fans got disappointed, but the action segments in most comics are pointless anyways (especially with superman). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Finally got around to seeing the new Supes movie, and god it was great. Such a positive message it brings... Maybe pure 'action comic'-fans got disappointed, but the action segments in most comics are pointless anyways (especially with superman).</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> My problems with the movie are mostly spoilerific so I can't get too far into specific issues. Some general problems I had were that the movie basically doesn't follow it's own rules in a few situations. One specifically bothered me most of all. It happened early and took me right out of the movie. </p><p> </p><p> I just wouldn't mind if we all, god forbid, actually ENJOYED ourselves at a Superman movie. Superman isn't Batman. This is one character that did not need the dreadfully serious treatment. This is a matter of taste not fact but it's just an issue that seems pervasive on the DC side of things where they just can't nail the tone of the characters. They found a committed direction with Batman that they didn't have with the last two Superman movies or the Green Lantern movie.</p><p> </p><p> So what did I like about it? Without getting spoilerish I did feel the end was appropriate. I know the culmination of the final conflict was very controversial but given the film's themes of finding your limits and determining how far you are willing to go to discover yourself, I thought it was actually perfect. I thought Costner was good. I like that they finally gave him an enemy he can hit and unleash himself on. I also like that the worst is kind of out of the way with Superman. They obviously have bigger plans for the Henry Cavill version of the character and I look forward into seeing sequels without the slow origin crap.</p><p> </p><p> It wasn't bad. I'd say it's my third favorite Superman movie behind the first two Reeves films.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 <p>The best part of Man of Steel was the Krypton stuff with Russel Crowe, which could have carried a movie by itself.</p><p> </p><p> The rest of the movie, I found to be rather mediocre - with the way they ultimately handled Jonathan Kent nearly ruining the whole thing for me. What a load of...</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> The rest of the movie, I found to be rather mediocre - with the way they ultimately handled Jonathan Kent nearly ruining the whole thing for me. What a load of...</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh, I thought that was one of the good things of the movie. What did you not like about it?</p><p> </p><p> Anyhow, I never read a supes comic in my life. I couldn't care less about whether the 'powers' are consistent throughout the movie. I'm an educator so I care about the message.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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