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I don't remember if he mentioned Wade, and he didn't give me the full Top 10, just off the top of his head (and obviously there's a recency bias when doing that). I would have to agree with you though (those 3 go in there, Wade goes out unless he gets another one). That right there gives you 10 (and of course we're missing people like Isaiah and from other eras.
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="CQI13" data-cite="CQI13" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Having a discussion with a friend:<p> </p><p> Does LeBron figure into Top 10 players of ALL time if he never wins a title (or if he only wins 1 or 2)?</p><p> </p><p> He said no, considering you'd have multiple people ahead of him (at least 10 in his opinion). Obviously Jordan, Kobe, Shaq (for a while he was absolutely dominant), Wade, Olajuwon, Duncan (as a quietly, yet consistently great PF/C), Magic, Bird. Who else would be in that list (again, considering LeBron is ring-less)?</p><p> </p><p> He said he heard a comparison of LeBron to Karl Malone or Barkley. Great players with no rings. What statistical benchmarks would have have to hit to be considered best ever (if he never gets a title) -- much like Marino is certainly in the discussion as best QB?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Top 10 all time or top ten of the past 30 years? Because nobody from your list played before 1980, and I don't think Wade is "obviously" a top 10 player of all time. He's certainly on his way, but I'm not sure he's there yet. In addition to usual suspects like Jordan, Magic, and Bird, Kareem is obviously a top 10 player: all-time leading scorer, all-time leading rebounder, 6 rings, 6 mvps. Wilt Chamberlin played in an earlier time but averaged 30 pounds and 22 rebounds for a career. That's insane. Plus 4 mvps and 2 titles. Bill Russell was one of the greatest defensive centers ever, winning 11 championships in 13 seasons as a player. Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double for an entire season, a feat that has never been duplicated. He also brought the Bucks one title. Even Dr. J managed to win one title, although he needed Moses Malone's help on the inside.</p><p> </p><p> Honestly as talented as LeBron is, I think a lot of people would have trouble putting him in front of these guys, since all of them have the team hardware in addition to the individual accomplishments. As good as Malone and Barkley were, it hurts their legacies that they were never able to win a championship, and I think the same thing would happen to LeBron. That said, LeBron is still only 25 years old. He has a lot of career ahead of him. In 15 years, he could very well be a top 5 of all time type guy.</p><p> </p><p> Edit: good to see there was already a consensus on Wade while writing this post!</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Top 10 all time or top ten of the past 30 years? Because nobody from your list played before 1980, and I don't think Wade is "obviously" a top 10 player of all time. He's certainly on his way, but I'm not sure he's there yet. In addition to usual suspects like Jordan, Magic, and Bird, Kareem is obviously a top 10 player: all-time leading scorer, all-time leading rebounder, 6 rings, 6 mvps. Wilt Chamberlin played in an earlier time but averaged 30 pounds and 22 rebounds for a career. That's insane. Plus 4 mvps and 2 titles. Bill Russell was one of the greatest defensive centers ever, winning 11 championships in 13 seasons as a player. Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double for an entire season, a feet that has never been duplicated. He also brought the Bucks one title. Even Dr. J managed to win one title, although he needed Moses Malone's help on the inside.<p> </p><p> Honestly as talented as LeBron is, I think a lot of people would have trouble putting him in front of these guys, since all of them have the team hardware in addition to the individual accomplishments. As good as Malone and Barkley were, it hurts their legacies that they were never able to win a championship, and I think the same thing would happen to LeBron. That said, LeBron is still only 25 years old. He has a lot of career ahead of him. In 15 years, he could very well be a top 5 of all time type guy.</p><p> </p><p> Edit: good to see there was already a consensus on Wade while writing this post!</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oscar didn't avg a triple double for his career, he was close and did it for a couple of seasons. his career avg was 25/7.5/9.5</p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/roberos01.html" rel="external nofollow">http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/roberos01.html</a></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Dr. J was a great player, but the NBA really showed people who he really was. The ABA was a much different league. Their focus was high flying and scoring. Dr. J benefited from this and when he came to the NBA his numbers were still very good, just not his ABA numbers</p><p> </p><p> ABA career: 28.7/12.1/4.8</p><p> </p><p> NBA career: 22/6.7/3.9</p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/ervinju01.html" rel="external nofollow">http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/ervinju01.html</a></p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="GatorBait19" data-cite="GatorBait19" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Oscar didn't avg a triple double for his career, he was close and did it for a couple of seasons.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Pretty sure no one said he did?</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double for an entire <strong>season</strong>, a feat that has never been duplicated.</div></blockquote>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Pretty sure no one said he did?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> sorry about that, I read it as career for some odd reason.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="GatorBait19" data-cite="GatorBait19" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>sorry about that, I read it as career for some odd reason.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Apology accepted. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Apology accepted. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> no problem <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> I as much as I think the Lakers will be contenders for Bosh this year. I also believe the Magic and the talent they stocked up will be contenders to make big trades.</p><p> </p><p> They have two big men in Bass and Gortat that have value and potential. Carters contract is expiring (team option). J.J Redick showed he can play, and Michael Petruis has shown it to.</p><p> </p><p> For a team like the Raptors, if they can convince Bosh to go to Orlando, could benefit from it.</p><p> </p><p> The Raptors could package Bosh and Hedo to the Magic for the likes of Bass, Gortat, Redick, and the trade excem. they gave to Orlando last year. Plus maybe Petruis or Carters expiring contract.</p><p> </p><p> I personally do not want Hedo back, but if eating his contract means getting Bosh I am all for it.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="CQI13" data-cite="CQI13" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Having a discussion with a friend:<p> </p><p> Does LeBron figure into Top 10 players of ALL time if he never wins a title (or if he only wins 1 or 2)?</p><p> </p><p> He said no, considering you'd have multiple people ahead of him (at least 10 in his opinion). Obviously Jordan, Kobe, Shaq (for a while he was absolutely dominant), Wade, Olajuwon, Duncan (as a quietly, yet consistently great PF/C), Magic, Bird. Who else would be in that list (again, considering LeBron is ring-less)?</p><p> </p><p> He said he heard a comparison of LeBron to Karl Malone or Barkley. Great players with no rings. What statistical benchmarks would have have to hit to be considered best ever (if he never gets a title) -- much like Marino is certainly in the discussion as best QB?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> I am crying. No Abdul-Jabbar. No Chamberland. No Oscar.</p><p> </p><p> No Bill Russell, imho the greatest player of all time.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="GatorBait19" data-cite="GatorBait19" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>no problem <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> <strong>I as much as I think the Lakers will be contenders for Bosh this year</strong>. I also believe the Magic and the talent they stocked up will be contenders to make big trades.</p><p> </p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> Y'know...I've never understood this rumor.</p><p> </p><p> First off, from Toronto's standpoint, what do they get out of it? The only desirable commodity the Lakers would trade would be Bynum. So if they trade Bosh and Hedo (dumping his contract would be a must) they get back what? Bynum, Luke Walton, and Sasha? A hodgepodge of late round picks? Based on your example alone there's going to so many better offers out there.</p><p> </p><p> Secondly, the reason Pau is so effective is because he has a legit center to play next to who can handle all the 'heavy lifting' of defending the biggest player, interior rebounding, blocking shots at the rim. Just look at the recent series with the Celtics and how much more effective Pau was this year as opposed to 08 when Bynum wasn't around. </p><p> </p><p> Bosh is a great player, but he's very similar to Pau. Why would the Lakers trade for someone to do a lot of things Pau does so well already?</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Y'know...I've never understood this rumor.<p> </p><p> First off, from Toronto's standpoint, what do they get out of it? The only desirable commodity the Lakers would trade would be Bynum. So if they trade Bosh and Hedo (dumping his contract would be a must) they get back what? Bynum, Luke Walton, and Sasha? A hodgepodge of late round picks? Based on your example alone there's going to so many better offers out there.</p><p> </p><p> Secondly, the reason Pau is so effective is because he has a legit center to play next to who can handle all the 'heavy lifting' of defending the biggest player, interior rebounding, blocking shots at the rim. Just look at the recent series with the Celtics and how much more effective Pau was this year as opposed to 08 when Bynum wasn't around. </p><p> </p><p> Bosh is a great player, but he's very similar to Pau. Why would the Lakers trade for someone to do a lot of things Pau does so well already?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Bosh is a 20/10 guy who plays defends other PF well. At 6'10 and Gasol 7'0 they would make a very talented twin towers. There is no doubt this would make the Lakers better and a reason is simple, Bynum is often injured Center who can still develop into something. Bosh on the other hand is already a proven player who will give you 70 games a year of 20/10 rebounds.</p><p> </p><p> I do agree that for the Raptors a trade to the Lakers wouldn't benefit them. Bosh could leave for another team and the Raptors would get nothing. A trade with the Lakers would at least net you Bynum and maybe get rid of Hedo. There are much better offers I am sure for Bosh, but in the end it's up to him where he goes. Raptors are the ones who have to play ball if they want anything.</p><p> </p><p> Look at the Magic last year, they traded Hedo for what... an 8 million dollar trade exempt. Got nothing in return for the man for the year, but that 8 million dollars could help them out this year when trading for something else.</p><p> </p><p> Raptors tried a quick fix to win so they could interest Bosh in staying. It didn't work and now they have to find a way to at least get something in return for their best player.</p>
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<p>One thing I have wondered. What are peoples thoughts about biggest fall off for career? This could be because of injury, rapid skill decline, etc.</p><p> </p><p>

The two big ones in recent memory (to me) are Grant Hill and J. O'Neal</p><p> </p><p>

Hill just the leg problems, but before that he was a 20/7/6 guy with nice defense.</p><p> </p><p>

O'Neal was a all-star big man who could score, rebound, and block shots.</p><p> </p><p>

Injuries just hit these two hard.</p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="GatorBait19" data-cite="GatorBait19" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Bosh is a 20/10 guy who plays defends other PF well. At 6'10 and Gasol 7'0 they would make a very talented twin towers. There is no doubt this would make the Lakers better and a reason is simple, Bynum is often injured Center who can still develop into something. Bosh on the other hand is already a proven player who will give you 70 games a year of 20/10 rebounds.<p> </p><p> I do agree that for the Raptors a trade to the Lakers wouldn't benefit them. Bosh could leave for another team and the Raptors would get nothing. A trade with the Lakers would at least net you Bynum and maybe get rid of Hedo. There are much better offers I am sure for Bosh, but in the end it's up to him where he goes. Raptors are the ones who have to play ball if they want anything.</p><p> </p><p> Look at the Magic last year, they traded Hedo for what... an 8 million dollar trade exempt. Got nothing in return for the man for the year, but that 8 million dollars could help them out this year when trading for something else.</p><p> </p><p> Raptors tried a quick fix to win so they could interest Bosh in staying. It didn't work and now they have to find a way to at least get something in return for their best player.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I suppose the Raptors would get what they could out of the deal, but I still don't see how Bosh makes them (LA) better. </p><p> </p><p> I don't care about his stats because in LA he'd be the second or third option most nights. I don't care that he defends other PFs well because Pau defends PFs and they'd need Bosh to defend C's most night. </p><p> </p><p> Bosh is a great guy but this is one of those fantasy league deals that looks good on paper but doesn't make sense once they guys are on the floor together. HAving two big men who are so similar creates issues ( Minny with Jefferson and Love for instance). </p><p> </p><p> Bynum is a perfect fit because he's a banger and a defender with nice touch around the basket who contributes even if he's not scoring. I don't see Bosh in the same mold. </p><p> </p><p> The Lakers need a starting PG and to blow up that bench. Do that. WHy go get a long, talented, offensive-minded PF when you already have one of those?</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I suppose the Raptors would get what they could out of the deal, but I still don't see how Bosh makes them (LA) better. <p> </p><p> I don't care about his stats because in LA he'd be the second or third option most nights. I don't care that he defends other PFs well because Pau defends PFs and they'd need Bosh to defend C's most night. </p><p> </p><p> Bosh is a great guy but this is one of those fantasy league deals that looks good on paper but doesn't make sense once they guys are on the floor together. HAving two big men who are so similar creates issues ( Minny with Jefferson and Love for instance). </p><p> </p><p> Bynum is a perfect fit because he's a banger and a defender with nice touch around the basket who contributes even if he's not scoring. I don't see Bosh in the same mold. </p><p> </p><p> The Lakers need a starting PG and to blow up that bench. Do that. WHy go get a long, talented, offensive-minded PF when you already have one of those?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I can agree with some of those points. I personally think Orlando would be a great fit for Bosh, not because I like Orlando. Howard and Bosh have teamed together before with the US basketball team, they would instantly become a inside threat. Magic to compete need another big man who can take pressure off of Howard.</p><p> </p><p> Also, Raptors might be a little scared by a deal that would involve Bynum. He is about to go under the knife.</p><p> </p><p> Big thing is will Bosh want to be someones sidekick? I don't think he will and in Orlando and LA (or anywhere with Lebron) that's what'd he be.</p><p> </p><p> Also, I personally believe the NBA offseason is one of the most thrilling in sports. So much can happen in just a moment.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="GatorBait19" data-cite="GatorBait19" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I can agree with some of those points. I personally think Orlando would be a great fit for Bosh, not because I like Orlando. Howard and Bosh have teamed together before with the US basketball team, they would instantly become a inside threat. Magic to compete need another big man who can take pressure off of Howard.<p> </p><p> Also, Raptors might be a little scared by a deal that would involve Bynum. He is about to go under the knife.</p><p> </p><p> Big thing is will Bosh want to be someones sidekick? I don't think he will and in Orlando and LA (or anywhere with Lebron) that's what'd he be.</p><p> </p><p> Also, I personally believe the NBA offseason is one of the most thrilling in sports. So much can happen in just a moment.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I actually think that Orlando would be a good fit for Bosh AND they have a ton to give back.</p><p> </p><p> And if Bosh doesn't want to be a sidekick, he needs to have his head examined. Because he's not good enough to carry a team to a title.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Astil" data-cite="Astil" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I am crying. No Abdul-Jabbar. No Chamberland. No Oscar.<p> </p><p> No Bill Russell, imho the greatest player of all time.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I did clarify later that it wasn't a complete list, and that it also contained a recency bias (as most of these off the cuff lists tend to have).</p><p> </p><p> But again, with all that, doesn't LeBron end up getting excluded?</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I actually think that Orlando would be a good fit for Bosh AND they have a ton to give back.<p> </p><p> And if Bosh doesn't want to be a sidekick, he needs to have his head examined. Because <strong>he's not good enough to carry a team to a title</strong>.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> He showed that with the Raptors. I don't think any single person is good enough and Bosh has to realize that. In today's market the only place he could really go that would make him the go to guy is Raptors, Nets, Bobcats. There might be others, but I can't think of them at this moment.</p><p> </p><p> Every team right now has a player they run through. Magic he would be a big offensive key, but he would still remain a side kick/partner because Howard is King in Orlando.</p><p> </p><p> The Magic could easily give Bosh a max deal (S&T) and take Hedo's contract without really losing any talent. No one in Orlando believes that Carter, Bass, Gortat were guys that would stick hear long. Even last year we believe that the signing of Bass might be, but the moment the resigned Gortat everyone looked to this year. Most people in the NBA don't even believe that Smith brought these guys in to stay past the one year.</p><p> </p><p> Raptors could get Gortat, Carter (I know odd), and Bass plus a pick and the Magic get Hedo and Bosh (resigned to max deal)</p><p> </p><p> Carter would either be bought out or play for just one year. Though if he is bought out I could see him returning to Orlando at a much reduced price. Gortat and Bass are young talented big men who would give the Raptors a quick rebuild.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="GatorBait19" data-cite="GatorBait19" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> </p><p> Every team right now has a player they run through. Magic he would be a big offensive key, but he would still remain a side kick/partner because Howard is King in Orlando.</p><p> </p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's why a guy like Lebron is so attractive to play with for these guys. He's so unselfish.</p><p> </p><p> In crunch time, the Cavs ran a lot of pick n roll. And Lebron never hesitated to pass; unfortunately he was passing to Antawn Jamison and Anderson Varajao. If the big man on the other end of those passes is a guy like Bosh or Amare it's a huge difference.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="CQI13" data-cite="CQI13" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I did clarify later that it wasn't a complete list, and that it also contained a recency bias (as most of these off the cuff lists tend to have).<p> </p><p> But again, with all that, doesn't LeBron end up getting excluded?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think so. When you do a top 10 list all-time there are somethings we all need to keep in mind.</p><p> </p><p> First, no list will ever be the same.</p><p> </p><p> Second, It's hard to compare players of today, to ones of the past.</p><p> </p><p> Third, Championships do define a career. Like Lazor said, Marino is one of the best QB's in the entire history of the NFL. Without that Superbowl ring though he gets overshadowed by the likes of Manning, Farve, Brady, Joe M, and Elway.</p><p> </p><p> Not because each one is far and ahead of him, but because they all have Superbowls on a finger.</p><p> </p><p> Lebron, is an immensely talented player. Just like Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing, Elgin Baylor, John Stockon were all talented as well, but with out rings their careers aren't horrible, just not complete.</p><p> </p><p> Lebron is still young (25) and still has at least 8 years left in him. In today's day and age I don't think 1 title puts him in the top ten with players like Kareem, Jordan, Kobe, Shaq, Russell, Bird, Magic, but 2 of 3 would to me.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That's why a guy like Lebron is so attractive to play with for these guys. He's so unselfish.<p> </p><p> In crunch time, the Cavs ran a lot of pick n roll. And Lebron never hesitated to pass; unfortunately he was passing to Antawn Jamison and Anderson Varajao. If the big man on the other end of those passes is a guy like Bosh or Amare it's a huge difference.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm afraid how good Amare would be in a slower paced offense and without Nash. Amare skills are there no doubt, when the Suns moved to a more defensive style of play (not for long of course) his numbers dropped across the board.</p>
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<p>Legitimate question for the basketball fanatics...</p><p> </p><p>

I watched like two games of the NBA Finals - the game where Ray Allen missed like every shot after setting a record and then the final game. My question is... was that the lowest scoring game 7 ever? It seemed insanely low when I was barely watching in the 4th quarter. Being in the 70's was really odd I thought.</p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="LoganRodzen" data-cite="LoganRodzen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Legitimate question for the basketball fanatics...<p> </p><p> I watched like two games of the NBA Finals - the game where Ray Allen missed like every shot after setting a record and then the final game. My question is... was that the lowest scoring game 7 ever? It seemed insanely low when I was barely watching in the 4th quarter. Being in the 70's was really odd I thought.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Funny you asked that, Tampa Tribune's rival company, the St. Pete Times, just did an article about it a couple of days ago</p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.tampabay.com/sports/lowest-scoring-game-7s-in-nba-history/1103280" rel="external nofollow">http://www.tampabay.com/sports/lowest-scoring-game-7s-in-nba-history/1103280</a></p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="GatorBait19" data-cite="GatorBait19" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Funny you asked that, Tampa Tribune's rival company, the St. Pete Times, just did an article about it a couple of days ago<p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.tampabay.com/sports/lowest-scoring-game-7s-in-nba-history/1103280" rel="external nofollow">http://www.tampabay.com/sports/lowest-scoring-game-7s-in-nba-history/1103280</a></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That is a funny coincidence. Considering I didn't really pay close attention to that game was it really good defense or just bad shooting?</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="LoganRodzen" data-cite="LoganRodzen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That is a funny coincidence. Considering I didn't really pay close attention to that game was it really good defense or just bad shooting?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think it was a mixture of both. Both teams didn't want to make mistakes on Defense and with that some shots were forced. Overall it was just two teams playing their butts off to try to win a title.</p>
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As I said before, both teams were tired. You'll realize almost every possession in the 2nd half, the team with possession of the ball - moreso the Lakers - carefully took the rebound and paused before strolling down the court. Even when the Lakers trailed by 6-10 they were doing it, there was barely any fast break playing. The idea was to focus on the defense and use time, Lakers capitalized in the rebounding and the Celtics caused really forced shots, even for Kobe which was a plus for them.
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