The Video Game Thread

[Fleisch]

Anyone on Red dead Redemption 2 ? a GREAT GREAT Game.

 

Here is where I try not to rip this game, but Ive just finished chapter 2 and I hate the game with a passion. It is one of the top 10 worst games I've ever played. Graphically it is a marvel, from a gameplay stance it is awful. Controls are clunky, aiming is near impossible on manual, the core health/stamina/deadeye system is horrible and they have learned nothing from the faults of previous Rockstar games because all of them are in this.

 

I'm not saying this to be controversial, I'm saying it because I could have wiped my arse with a £50 note and it would have been a better use for the money. Having to brush and bath my horse to keep its "cores" full? That sums up the level of "fun" for me in this game. Your character moves like he is wearing a concrete suit. Having to stay at the slow, mundane speeds your mission companion is going makes it all the more tedious. I JUST WANT TO GET TO THE MISSION! Talking of the horse riding, it's like trying to drive an arctic lorry and constantly pulling you in directions you're not even directing it to! It's like they took the worst responding car in GTA V and skinned it to look like a horse. Heaven help you when you get on a carriage!

 

So far of the 9 hours and 2 completed chapters I've played the majority of that time has been, finding food to keep my weight maintained, riding my horse from one generic mission to another (all the missions are pretty much the same so far). Cleaning both myself and the horse to maintain those ridiculous "cores" and getting shot in the middle of nowhere by randomly spawning O'Driscolls who appear from Asgaard.

 

It appears Rockstar could release a game where your entire goal is to eat a biscuit and people would say "it is truly showing what these new consoles can do". RDR2 is basically an earlier unpatched version of The Witcher 3, minus the decent story and expansive DLC but with the added bonus of bathing! At least Geralt was wearing armour which can explain his movement speed, I think Arthur must be made from wood because there is no other reason someone in a shirt and trousers would move the way he does.

 

That isn't even all that is wrong with this game but I feel it has taken enough of my time already.

[The Swanton825]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="28397" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Here is where I try not to rip this game, but Ive just finished chapter 2 and I hate the game with a passion. It is one of the top 10 worst games I've ever played. Graphically it is a marvel, from a gameplay stance it is awful. Controls are clunky, aiming is near impossible on manual, the core health/stamina/deadeye system is horrible and they have learned nothing from the faults of previous Rockstar games because all of them are in this.<p> </p><p> I'm not saying this to be controversial, I'm saying it because I could have wiped my arse with a £50 note and it would have been a better use for the money. Having to brush and bath my horse to keep its "cores" full? That sums up the level of "fun" for me in this game. Your character moves like he is wearing a concrete suit. Having to stay at the slow, mundane speeds your mission companion is going makes it all the more tedious. I JUST WANT TO GET TO THE MISSION! Talking of the horse riding, it's like trying to drive an arctic lorry and constantly pulling you in directions you're not even directing it to! It's like they took the worst responding car in GTA V and skinned it to look like a horse. Heaven help you when you get on a carriage! </p><p> </p><p> So far of the 9 hours and 2 completed chapters I've played the majority of that time has been, finding food to keep my weight maintained, riding my horse from one generic mission to another (all the missions are pretty much the same so far). Cleaning both myself and the horse to maintain those ridiculous "cores" and getting shot in the middle of nowhere by randomly spawning O'Driscolls who appear from Asgaard.</p><p> </p><p> It appears Rockstar could release a game where your entire goal is to eat a biscuit and people would say "it is truly showing what these new consoles can do". RDR2 is basically an earlier unpatched version of The Witcher 3, minus the decent story and expansive DLC but with the added bonus of bathing! At least Geralt was wearing armour which can explain his movement speed, I think Arthur must be made from wood because there is no other reason someone in a shirt and trousers would move the way he does.</p><p> </p><p> That isn't even all that is wrong with this game but I feel it has taken enough of my time already.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'd recommend avoiding Assassin's Creed Odyssey if RDR2 is too tedious for you. Odyssey is tedium incarnate. As grindy as an MMO, but with Dark Souls-like combat that misses everything that makes it good in said game. I got to play it free thanks to that Project Stream thing Google's doing and I still feel like I wasted $60.</p>

[Celuwyn]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="28397" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Here is where I try not to rip this game, but Ive just finished chapter 2 and I hate the game with a passion. It is one of the top 10 worst games I've ever played. Graphically it is a marvel, from a gameplay stance it is awful. Controls are clunky, aiming is near impossible on manual, the core health/stamina/deadeye system is horrible and they have learned nothing from the faults of previous Rockstar games because all of them are in this.<p> </p><p> I'm not saying this to be controversial, I'm saying it because I could have wiped my arse with a £50 note and it would have been a better use for the money. Having to brush and bath my horse to keep its "cores" full? That sums up the level of "fun" for me in this game. Your character moves like he is wearing a concrete suit. Having to stay at the slow, mundane speeds your mission companion is going makes it all the more tedious. I JUST WANT TO GET TO THE MISSION! Talking of the horse riding, it's like trying to drive an arctic lorry and constantly pulling you in directions you're not even directing it to! It's like they took the worst responding car in GTA V and skinned it to look like a horse. Heaven help you when you get on a carriage! </p><p> </p><p> So far of the 9 hours and 2 completed chapters I've played the majority of that time has been, finding food to keep my weight maintained, riding my horse from one generic mission to another (all the missions are pretty much the same so far). Cleaning both myself and the horse to maintain those ridiculous "cores" and getting shot in the middle of nowhere by randomly spawning O'Driscolls who appear from Asgaard.</p><p> </p><p> It appears Rockstar could release a game where your entire goal is to eat a biscuit and people would say "it is truly showing what these new consoles can do". RDR2 is basically an earlier unpatched version of The Witcher 3, minus the decent story and expansive DLC but with the added bonus of bathing! At least Geralt was wearing armour which can explain his movement speed, I think Arthur must be made from wood because there is no other reason someone in a shirt and trousers would move the way he does.</p><p> </p><p> That isn't even all that is wrong with this game but I feel it has taken enough of my time already.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Maybe is that you only search fun in a game. Some people like to search something else, a bit of reality. I agree that the game has some flaws, but to say that it's one of the top 10 worst game <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> You will be more satisfied with Cyberpunk 2077 i think <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> You could always sell your game. It will be not much of a loss</p>

[Fleisch]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Celuwyn" data-cite="Celuwyn" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="28397" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Maybe is that you only search fun in a game. Some people like to search something else, a bit of reality. I agree that the game has some flaws, but to say that it's one of the top 10 worst game <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> You will be more satisfied with Cyberpunk 2077 i think <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> You could always sell your game. It will be not much of a loss</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I search for a medium balance usually depending on the genre of game to be honest. I like a bit of realism, but I like consistency and some creative missions to keep my attention which currently I have not had in the 40 missions I've taken part in. I know for other's that experience will be different, but honestly, the state the game is currently in (for me personally) it really is up there with Destiny in terms of disappointing releases.</p><p> </p><p> It is a shame because the world they have created is absolutely amazing. The graphics really are superb and some of the scenes standing on a cliff edge looking out are fantastic. I tried so hard to like the game and get passed it's flaws (including messing with the movement and aim sliders to try and customise it's movement to my liking - but it doesn't).</p><p> </p><p> I am just hoping the online portion of the game will be good when Rockstar release it as I can then say money well spent but until then, I really don't like the solo story/game play. Sorry about the long post (again) I'm just really disappointed as I'd been waiting years for this to be announced, and then released. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Realism in RDR2:</span></p><p> * Eat, Sleep, Wash, to keep your cores up.</p><p> * Eat also to keep your weight maintained.</p><p> * Clean/maintain your gun or it doesn't work properly.</p><p> * Talk to camp members (although their dialogue doesn't always follow on from what you have said).</p><p> * Doing tasks/upgrading camp will raise your gang's morale</p><p> * Graphics</p><p> * Bar Fights (this was the one thing I did like)</p><p> * Your hat falls off in a fight</p><p> * Your beard and hair grow</p><p> * Horses take a crap</p><p> * Fishing/Hunting and the mini-games such as poker</p><p> * Male horses have balls, females do not</p><p> * Wildlife</p><p> </p><p> <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Fantasy in RDR2 (based on my current save):</span></p><p> * Rob a train in the middle of nowhere with cover from cliffs, get an instant bounty on your head despite covering your face so no one knows it is you and the nearest lawman is miles away!</p><p> * Punch a guy who shot at you first, witness see's you defending yourself and reports you for assault.</p><p> * Hunt down and shoot the witness before they can report you, get a wanted level anyway, but this time for murder.</p><p> * Arthur's concrete clothing.</p><p> * 1 head shot to take down an enemy, then 3 head shots to take down the guy next to him!</p><p> * Shooting enemies anywhere other than the head normally results in you emptying your six shooter in them before they even go down. I guess they are all zombies? <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> * The portal jumping O'Driscoll Gang who seemingly appear from thin air.</p><p> * Lawmen appear from the same portal as the O'Driscolls. A sheriffs office with 3 guys working there but 20 lawmen appear instantly if you shoot the town up or rob a bank/shop.</p><p> * People know who you are despite wearing a mask and the bounty is put on Arthur Morgan. Kind of negates the point of the mask mechanic in the game.</p>

[Celuwyn]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="28397" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I search for a medium balance usually depending on the genre of game to be honest. I like a bit of realism, but I like consistency and some creative missions to keep my attention which currently I have not had in the 40 missions I've taken part in. I know for other's that experience will be different, but honestly, the state the game is currently in (for me personally) it really is up there with Destiny in terms of disappointing releases.<p> </p><p> It is a shame because the world they have created is absolutely amazing. The graphics really are superb and some of the scenes standing on a cliff edge looking out are fantastic. I tried so hard to like the game and get passed it's flaws (including messing with the movement and aim sliders to try and customise it's movement to my liking - but it doesn't).</p><p> </p><p> I am just hoping the online portion of the game will be good when Rockstar release it as I can then say money well spent but until then, I really don't like the solo story/game play. Sorry about the long post (again) I'm just really disappointed as I'd been waiting years for this to be announced, and then released. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Realism in RDR2:</span></p><p> * Eat, Sleep, Wash, to keep your cores up.</p><p> * Eat also to keep your weight maintained.</p><p> * Talk to camp members (although their dialogue doesn't always follow on from what you have said).</p><p> * Doing tasks/upgrading camp will raise your gang's morale</p><p> * Graphics</p><p> * Bar Fights (this was the one thing I did like)</p><p> * Your hat falls off in a fight</p><p> * Your beard and hair grow</p><p> * Horses take a crap</p><p> * Fishing/Hunting and the mini-games such as poker</p><p> * Male horses have balls, females do not</p><p> * Wildlife</p><p> </p><p> <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Fantasy in RDR2 (based on my current save):</span></p><p> * Rob a train in the middle of nowhere with cover from cliffs, get an instant bounty on your head despite covering your face so no one knows it is you and the nearest lawman is miles away!</p><p> * Punch a guy who shot at you first, witness see's you defending yourself and reports you for assault.</p><p> * Hunt down and shoot the witness before they can report you, get a wanted level anyway, but this time for murder.</p><p> * Arthur's concrete clothing.</p><p> * 1 head shot to take down an enemy, then 3 head shots to take down the guy next to him!</p><p> * Shooting enemies anywhere other than the head normally results in you emptying your six shooter in them before they even go down. I guess they are all zombies? <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> * The portal jumping O'Driscoll Gang who seemingly appear from thin air.</p><p> * Lawmen appear from the same portal as the O'Driscolls. A sheriffs office with 3 guys working there but 20 lawmen appear instantly if you shoot the town up or rob a bank/shop.</p><p> * People know who you are despite wearing a mask and the bounty is put on Arthur Morgan. Kind of negates the point of the mask mechanic in the game.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You just quoted the main flaws of the game for me <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> the bandana is pretty useless in the game, that's a real shame. and for the lawmen appearing from nowhere.. straight from GTA.</p>

[RingRider]

<p>So I just recently bought a PS4 (my first console since I dumped my 360 a few years ago)....I mainly bought it for Spiderman. Spidey was a great game...played a lot like the Batman Arkham games but even better and a really engrossing story.</p><p> </p><p>

I was really looking to selling Spiderman for RDR2 next but Fleisch your criticisms have me doing a double-take. I've read a lot of mixed reviews online for the game as well. Still not decided because the original Red Dead Redemption (even Revolver too as a matter of fact) was a game I loved playing and lost many hours on...</p>

[Clarity]

<p>I'm actually really enjoying RDR2 at the moment, and the slower paced motion. Just feels to me like most other games has the player permanent running places and this feels more real.</p><p> </p><p>

However... being a little more flush with cash this month, i purchased a <a href="http://www.thrustmaster.com/products/tflight-hotas-one" rel="external nofollow">HOTAS One</a> mostly for Elite Dangerous.. Damn that change the game up</p>

[BHK1978]

Has anyone had the chance to play the first episode of Life Is Strange 2 yet? I have read zero feedback on the game and there does not seem to be much buzz about the game, so I was wondering if anyone has had a chance to play it yet.

[Blackman]

<p>Played through LiS but I didn't really think it was that amazing. So not hyped for a second part.</p><p> </p><p>

For me now it's just finishing the games I've started (Thronebreaker) and waiting for the Resident Evil II remake and Dead or Alive 6, though the latter doesn't really excite me. Somewhere this month we might see the release of Showtime 2, which could be a fun text-sim like TEW. And there's of course the endless wait for Mount & Blade II. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[RingRider]

Been playing RDR2 and loving it... Yes, there are definitely flaws and I find certain aspects of the game pretty challenging... Travel can be slow and tedious... All that said, the character development and world building are top notch. I've had a ridiculous amount of fun with mundane tasks (hunting, fishing, collecting bounties, breaking horses, etc.). 20+ hours in and I feel like I haven't even scratched the surface yet.

[Derek DiBenedetto]

Anyone played Fallout 76 yet? Hoo, boy. Nothing like rushed, buggy and creatively uninspired software pumped out to make a buck. A sad thing for Fallout fans indeed.

[BHK1978]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek DiBenedetto" data-cite="Derek DiBenedetto" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="28397" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Anyone played Fallout 76 yet? Hoo, boy. Nothing like rushed, buggy and creatively uninspired software pumped out to make a buck. A sad thing for Fallout fans indeed.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> No but I have heard the horror stories about it. The minute I heard it was an MMO and there were no NPC characters, I decided it was not the game for me. I am not someone who enjoys playing the game with others and I know you don't have to in Fallout 76, but I want to enjoy the game at my own pace.</p>

[moon_lit_tears]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek DiBenedetto" data-cite="Derek DiBenedetto" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="28397" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Anyone played Fallout 76 yet? Hoo, boy. Nothing like rushed, buggy and creatively uninspired software pumped out to make a buck. A sad thing for Fallout fans indeed.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I’m hesitant to give my opinion after the fallout of the distain for the mobile Diablo game. It seems anyone who hates either game are just full of testosterone filled rage or something of the ilk.</p>

[Blackman]

<p>It indeed looks like gaming is falling apart, with Diablo Mobile and Fallout 76 the prime examples. The sad thing is that people probably don't care. I feel it's become an "issue" online but sadly that's mainly a couple of influential people nagging about it. Quite frankly the companies probably couldn't care less as the bulk of the gaming crowd nowadays is indeed mobile and just buys whatever they bring out, regardless of quality standards. Why don't you try giving it your all when your boss doesn't give a hoot, and see where you end up. That's right: you just do the minimal necessary with the same outcomes.</p><p> </p><p>

Ever since mobile internet was a thing (even before the Iphone in 2007) console only represented a minor portion of the sales. So it makes sense to invest in it. I said before that Valve just can't justify working on another game as it'd be "ineffective" from an economic standpoint. And I firmly stand by my opinion that it's impossible to make a genuinely "good" game on mobile. </p><p> </p><p>

That being said, I guess TEW could in some form appear on tablets and it'd be controllable and awesome. There's also stellar board games and card games who find their way to mobile and are rockin' it. Eternal, ES:Legends, Ascension, Through the Ages, ... And I can see text-based story games do well, but right now that's a niche market for indy devs with very varying degrees of quality (at least from my uninformed standpoint). But that is exactly where it ends imo.</p><p> </p><p>

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Anybody bought something during Cyber Monday? I got me Divinity: Original Sin 2 (I know, I'm probably the last gamin' Belgian to get it <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />), Pillars of Eternity 2 (someday) and WWE 2K19. Very surprised they already priced the latter off to 20$(?!) a month after release. I rarely play those games but they are fun enough to pay 20$ for it I guess. Finally I got the new CKII expansion "Holy Fury", so I've got enough games to last me through the winter and beyond. As there's literally nothing beyond the horizon for me (except Resi2 and DOA6), that'll be it for a long while.</p>

[Derek DiBenedetto]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="28397" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Anybody bought something during Cyber Monday?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Not much really. Too busy working on games myself to have the time really. I did get Skyrim Complete Edition finally (Black Friday sale, 50% off). Cyber Monday? Nah. I have everything I need pretty much.</p><p> </p><p> The other points you raised? Yep. Gaming is good and very bad at the same time. Companies know doing the bare minimum sometimes still pays off, so that's what they'll do.</p><p> </p><p> For me? The type of games I love doing just don't do well on Steam anymore, which I why I have returned to GD to do games. The folks here just appreciate text-based strat games so much more.</p><p> </p><p> Mobile: Eh. It's so saturated now I just don't bother with it.</p>

[BHK1978]

<p>In regards to Fallout 76, from what I have heard about it (Once again I have not played it so I am just going by information I have gotten on it) the game is a buggy mess. Many feel that the game was rushed out and is not a complete game. </p><p> </p><p>

They also did not listen to their core audience. It has nothing to do with toxic masculinity or any such nonsense, it is just a company making a game that (from what I can gather) the majority of their fan base does not want. Folks did not want a Fallout MMO, you could see it from the reactions once they announced it.</p><p> </p><p>

Also, the lack of NPC's means the game is not as dynamic.</p><p> </p><p>

I think that is what is happening with a lot of video game companies and the entertainment industry as a whole. They are not listening to their fans, they are making the games they want to make and not the games their fans want to see.</p>

[Fleisch]

I went back to RDR2 and having now completed the single campaign, I have to say it picks up from chapter 4. The same flaws that bugged me originally still apply but the story ended up being pretty good. First 3 chapters still sucked, and I had to fight through the boredom of those before I could start to enjoy it a little more.

 

Now onto the online portion. Same trolling little no lifers and their 24-7 gameplay ruin it for anyone who cannot put that level of time in. Every other player seems to have ridiculously overpowered guns and the best horses after 3 days, but instead of allowing others to enjoy the story and just going about their business they instead decide to kill at random for no other reason than they can. This in turn will lose Rockstar players, and potential sales of their microtransactions within the beta period because there is no friends only or invite only option.

 

I shall be looking for a new game to get into because RDR2 Online is not for me.

[The Swanton825]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="28397" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It indeed looks like gaming is falling apart, with Diablo Mobile and Fallout 76 the prime examples. The sad thing is that people probably don't care. I feel it's become an "issue" online but sadly that's mainly a couple of influential people nagging about it. Quite frankly the companies probably couldn't care less as the bulk of the gaming crowd nowadays is indeed mobile and just buys whatever they bring out, regardless of quality standards. Why don't you try giving it your all when your boss doesn't give a hoot, and see where you end up. That's right: you just do the minimal necessary with the same outcomes.</div></blockquote><p> Personally I don't feel its the entire game industry that's falling apart, but instead AAA gaming. I think we're going to see a compression of AAA publishers (particularly EA once Anthem flops like Battlefield V has) and I'm hoping that will lead to a similar situation to what PC gaming had in the late 90s-early 2000s where AA publishers more in tune with their developers will rise up and give us games that may not exactly push the envelope technically but will be fantastic to play.</p>

[Blackman]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Swanton825" data-cite="The Swanton825" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="28397" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Personally I don't feel its the entire game industry that's falling apart, but instead AAA gaming. I think we're going to see a compression of AAA publishers (particularly EA once Anthem flops like Battlefield V has) and I'm hoping that will lead to a similar situation to what PC gaming had in the late 90s-early 2000s where AA publishers more in tune with their developers will rise up and give us games that may not exactly push the envelope technically but will be fantastic to play.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yes but it seems AAA games are about 95% of the industry in terms of money spend by consumers (that is NOT counting microtransactions so initial "buy-ins"). And then I'm just making a distinction between AAA and Indy as usually the terms are coined together without something like AA or A games (I personally never heard either).</p><p> </p><p> And it seems it's indeed leading to that point. If it isn't - in other words: people will just keep buying it and putting up with their crap - I'd lose my faith in humanity... again. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[The Swanton825]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="28397" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yes but it seems AAA games are about 95% of the industry in terms of money spend by consumers (that is NOT counting microtransactions so initial "buy-ins"). And then I'm just making a distinction between AAA and Indy as usually the terms are coined together without something like AA or A games (I personally never heard either).<p> </p><p> And it seems it's indeed leading to that point. If it isn't - in other words: people will just keep buying it and putting up with their crap - I'd lose my faith in humanity... again. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I use AA for lack of a better term to refer to those publishers who definitely aren't AAA but clearly have more money than indie companies. Devolver Digital, THQ Nordic, Deep Silver and Paradox Interactive are some examples of what I consider "AA".</p><p> </p><p> I'm mostly going by some of the YouTubers I watch like Jim Sterling and YongYea, but there seems to be a much bigger push back by consumers fed up with AAA BS this year than in most years. I want to save my losing faith in humanity for when Microsoft gives Obsidian and InXile the Rare treatment and nobody outside RPG nerds even care.</p>

[moon_lit_tears]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Swanton825" data-cite="The Swanton825" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="28397" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I use AA for lack of a better term to refer to those publishers who definitely aren't AAA but clearly have more money than indie companies. Devolver Digital, THQ Nordic, Deep Silver and Paradox Interactive are some examples of what I consider "AA".<p> </p><p> I'm mostly going by some of the YouTubers I watch like Jim Sterling and YongYea, but there seems to be a much bigger push back by consumers fed up with AAA BS this year than in most years. I want to save my losing faith in humanity for when Microsoft gives Obsidian and InXile the Rare treatment and nobody outside RPG nerds even care.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> I love me some Jim Sterling. I do think it's been a major push back this year because a lot of the games have been...Lackluster to say the least. It's been that way for a while, but it's just getting worse and worse. Other than diablo, I'll admit my games are more indie style. I think Indie games are going to make a bigger splash in 2019 than expected because of people getting tired of these big companies screwing people over.</p><p> </p><p> I saw something on Facebook that was mentioned that most of the companies trying to screw the customer over are American companies, I don't know how true that is, because it seems to be most companies at this point.</p>

[Blackman]

Sterling is the man! I know he repeats his points often but they ring true and otherwise people tend to forget. And in the end, things are seemingly changing for lootboxes and Bethesda's finally given those "box" edition owners their sack.

[Guest SymonBC]

Are there some Elder Scrolls fans here?

[BHK1978]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="SymonBC" data-cite="SymonBC" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="28397" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Are there some Elder Scrolls fans here?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I am, I mean I never played the Online version but I have played the last three versions of the game. I have played Skyrim and Oblivion multiple times.</p>

[Blackman]

Are there some Elder Scrolls fans here?

 

I was playing Skyrim just this week. If it's modded, it's just great. And I've enjoyed Oblivion before. Couldn't get into Morrowind as I found the combat lacking and played NWN instead. I'm also playing the card game and their MMO is the MMO I've played the most (1 whole hour ).

 

Here's probably the funniest gaming-related thing I've seen this year:

 

(the first 20s into the video)