~ The Golden Age: 1987 Official Release ~

[Genadi]

Since this was brought up.... I have a small question. It is a question though, as I'm not sure about exactly what the stat would do with everything, but I will share what I believe (and my potential issue).

 

Certain workers were VERY popular in 1987, but.... not quite the megastar they become later. Flair and Hogan for example..... Both mega popular, and probably impossible to become more popular then Hulk was at this time period. However, they were not yet considered "Legends" or "Icons", etc. They are now however.

 

The way I understand the game engine, is at a certain point/age, and other random elements, a worker will seize to get better in Physical area's, and certain abilities. However, there is a possibility they can still get better with mental stats (Charisma, mic skills, etc).

 

Setting potential low, and very low on individuals... Won't that bassically top them out where they are in everything, and the only way is downhill from there. I'd much prefer that be set to random, then to limit them, especially when within 10 to 12 years later both (Flair and Hogan) reach new heights in character development, not to mention becoming living legends in the ring.

 

Potential I'm 99% sure (from memory) is in ring ability only. I don't think they improved much at all from that time period on. I know potentials are a touchy subject with some but I felt they were needed here and there for this mod (I've deleted them in ones past at request of players). If a strong case can be made for guys like Hogan and Flair (or others preset) improving considerably in the ring from that time on I'm happy to reset.

 

I know what you mean about mega popular also dj but remember populaity in TEW is defined as their popularity amongst wrestling fans. I don't think Hogan became more of a draw than he was in 1987, in fact I don't think many wrestlers ever did While I agree the heights he took WCW to during the 90's definitely took Hogan's legacy to another level but in TEW terms that's got everything to do with the industry being red hot as a whole, TV and PPV providers opening rapidly and everywhere, Era's and a few other things.

[Hive]

Potential I'm 99% sure (from memory) is in ring ability only.

 

What, really? You sure about that?

[Genadi]

Pretty sure yes, even if it weren't I still don't see how any of the guys mentioned (Hogan, Flair) improved in any area from 1987. Both guys were past 35 and had been around 10+ years, also both at the top of their game if not slightly past it.

[Hive]

Pretty sure yes, even if it weren't I still don't see how any of the guys mentioned (Hogan, Flair) improved in any area from 1987. Both guys were past 35 and had been around 10+ years, also both at the top of their game if not slightly past it.

 

Hmm. But if potential is strictly connected to in-ring abilities, then how can one make it so that a worker improves in other areas? Like entertainment skills especially.

[edenborn]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Genadi" data-cite="Genadi" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>please let me know what you want changed or added.</div></blockquote>Thanks for all your hard work, Genadi. Minor requests:<p> </p><p> - The worker who would go on to become </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="150" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/8fyZbSOQYhw?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="Waylon Mercy picnic vignette"></iframe></div></div> has entertainment skills that seem oddly low to me. Especially Mic skills at 20%. Admittedly, Danny Spivey wasn't a god on the Mic back in '87, but that may have more to do with the character/gimmick he was playing than his abilities.<p> </p><p> - It's a tedious task, but I'd love if you'd take the time to convert the WWF Tag Title lineage format to the same format as the other WWF lineages. </p><p> </p><p> - Please add shock rocker Alice Cooper to the data, so we can put him in Jake Roberts' corner at WrestleMania III.</p>

[HugeRockStar760]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Genadi" data-cite="Genadi" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think the big mistake you're making is how you're looking at this mod. It's a scenario not a recreation. My past mods I went overboard IMO on ensuring things ran the way they did in the history books. It makes for a very limited mod and one I wasn't happy with. There needs to be room for even major differences in a historical mod IMO, it makes for a funner game and experience and is actually more accurate to reality.<p> </p><p> The reality is Hogan could play a heel role very well in '87, his performance stats reflect that.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> I'm happy to add a few more hotbed locations but guys for the 78,0000th time please let me know what you want changed or added. I'm going to start ignoring feedback like "Can you add some more gimmicks" or "Some workers popularity seem a little low", if you're going to be vague I can't be bothered following up with questions to unearth what people mean. Hope you guys understand <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Very well said. People wanting this to play exactly like real life would be better served watching a DVD of WrestleMania III or watching YouTube videos of how things went down. There's more fun if history is changed by a surprise heel turn or face turn.</p>

[Rick Savant]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Matt Shannon" data-cite="Matt Shannon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Actually, if realism had anything to do with it, Haku would be the big star because he would be legit kicking everybody's ass. <img alt=":eek:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/eek.png.0e09df00fa222c85760b9bc1700b5405.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Ha. It's true, Haku was a bad ass monter ****er who was a trained sumo wrestler. Meanwhile Goldberg was a failed gridiron player Luger was a bodybuilder. Haku wins that battle hands down. But I was thinking of the other r-ism. The one that's a little more common in wrestling than realism...</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ACCBiggz" data-cite="ACCBiggz" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Pre-Show: Tito Santana d. Greg Valentine - B<p> Randy Savage interview B+</p><p> Hercules d. Danny Spivey - D</p><p> Bobby Heenan & Hercules interview - B</p><p> George Steele flirts with Miss Elizabeth - C+</p><p> Junkyard Dog d. Jimmy Jack Funk - D</p><p> Harley Race attacks Junkyard Dog - C+</p><p> Team Hillbilly interview - D</p><p> Billy Jack Haynes promo - C+</p><p> Koko B. Ware d. Dino Bravo - C</p><p> Jimmy Hart & Honky Tonk Man interview - B-</p><p> Gorilla & Jesse hype Hulk vs. Andre - B+</p><p> The Hart Foundation d. The British Bulldogs (Danny Davis interference) - C+</p><p> Overall: C+</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well I don't usually play WWE... or any pop-over-perf fed really, but as I understand them you absolutely need to put a guy who's over in the main event.</p><p> </p><p> Now I'm not sure where you're running this show, but I'll assume the Tri-State as it's WWE's home region. That means Bret is over at C, Jim's a C-, DBS is C and Dynamite's a C. Since WWE is rated much more on pop than perf you can guess as to the range that match was going to turn out, boosted by in ring ability and tax experience to a C+. I guess to maintain National you need B rated shows so you're gonna have to wait until you get those guys a bit more over before you can put them anywhere near the top of the card. But they're perfect to ME your B-Show where grades don't matter.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Genadi" data-cite="Genadi" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>There needs to be room for even major differences in a historical mod IMO, it makes for a funner game and experience and is actually more accurate to reality.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Hear! Hear! (or is it Here! Here!?)</p>

[juggaloninjalee]

<p>Goldberg could kick Hakus ass. Linebacker in the NFL is a beast! Even the worst ones can light people up.</p><p> </p><p>

Haku would lay Luger out cold though. Haku could really fight while Luger knew how to lift weights.</p><p> </p><p>

Luger could lay out... Alundra Blaze... She's a chick. Not an Aja Kong type chick either.</p>

[Genadi]

<em>Double Post</em>

[Genadi]

<p>A big part of the reason cards suffer and cost WWF pop is because I've set the TV show WWF Superstars as an "A" Show. It really wasn't, not compared to what we or TEW consider an A show. I did have it set as an "A" show but WWF being as big as they are always sign a deal for an A show straight up, name it something else and dump a show. </p><p> </p><p>

The best advice I can give for A shows is what someone already mentioned about using guys with most pop. Check what area you're running in, don't foget this time period wasn't too far removed from the territory days. Alot of guys were over and in contrast not so over in certain parts of the USA in even in the major promotions. </p><p> </p><p>

In my WWF game using this mod I run very strong A Shows, always using either Steamboat, Savage or Roberts (atm) on top, their opponent is never anyone below midcard. I add to that a bunch of angles using all the guys to their strengths, pop, ent etc.</p>

[ACCBiggz]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Genadi" data-cite="Genadi" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>In my WWF game using this mod I run very strong A Shows, always using either Steamboat, Savage or Roberts (atm) on top, their opponent is never anyone below midcard. I add to that a bunch of angles using all the guys to their strengths, pop, ent etc.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Now I'm not sure where you're running this show, but I'll assume the Tri-State as it's WWE's home region. That means Bret is over at C, Jim's a C-, DBS is C and Dynamite's a C. Since WWE is rated much more on pop than perf you can guess as to the range that match was going to turn out, boosted by in ring ability and tax experience to a C+. I guess to maintain National you need B rated shows so you're gonna have to wait until you get those guys a bit more over before you can put them anywhere near the top of the card. But they're perfect to ME your B-Show where grades don't matter.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Appreciate that. I'm just not familiar with the game mechanics as I once was. Also, I'm trying to stay true to the era by not having too many key match-ups on television. If a main star did ever have a match on those shows it was a quick squash, but learning how the game operates I'll have to slightly adjust to get a better grade for the A show.</p>

[denzil85]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ACCBiggz" data-cite="ACCBiggz" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Appreciate that. I'm just not familiar with the game mechanics as I once was. Also, I'm trying to stay true to the era by not having too many key match-ups on television. If a main star did ever have a match on those shows it was a quick squash, but learning how the game operates I'll have to slightly adjust to get a better grade for the A show.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It might be worth having two main eventers go against each other on your tv show, but use a Sports Entertainment finish (or one of the other draw finishes), assuming the match is actually okay, the match will get a good rating and both will gain momentum.</p>

[Hive]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="juggaloninjalee" data-cite="juggaloninjalee" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Goldberg could kick Hakus ass. Linebacker in the NFL is a beast! Even the worst ones can light people up.<p> </p><p> Haku would lay Luger out cold though. Haku could really fight while Luger knew how to lift weights.</p><p> </p><p> Luger could lay out... Alundra Blaze... She's a chick. Not an Aja Kong type chick either.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Getting really off-topic here, but I'm convinced that Meng/Haku/Tonga/whatever could pretty much kick the ass of any other wrestler that ever walked this earth. Hell, Chris Jericho of all people got the better of Goldberg... I don't see him taking down Meng, a man big bad Kevin Nash was afraid of.</p>

[juggaloninjalee]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Getting really off-topic here, but I'm convinced that Meng/Haku/Tonga/whatever could pretty much kick the ass of any other wrestler that ever walked this earth. Hell, Chris Jericho of all people got the better of Goldberg... I don't see him taking down Meng, a man big bad Kevin Nash was afraid of.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Kevin Nash should be afraid of stepping over the top rope as he may blow out a quad and be looking up at those bad ass ropes.</p><p> </p><p> Kidding obviously... Haku is a bad bad man. Even stated in his profile I believe that he was approached to do MMA a few times. I do agree Meng is considered a great fighter and I am sure it is because people have seen him stomp some guys before.</p>

[Phreak]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ACCBiggz" data-cite="ACCBiggz" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Appreciate that. I'm just not familiar with the game mechanics as I once was. Also, I'm trying to stay true to the era by not having too many key match-ups on television. If a main star did ever have a match on those shows it was a quick squash, but learning how the game operates I'll have to slightly adjust to get a better grade for the A show.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="denzil85" data-cite="denzil85" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It might be worth having two main eventers go against each other on your tv show, but use a Sports Entertainment finish (or one of the other draw finishes), assuming the match is actually okay, the match will get a good rating and both will gain momentum.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Its also worth noting that ME vs UMC tends to rate out fairly well. So you can lay it out like:</p><p> </p><p> UMC vs MC Jobber to the Stars</p><p> Squash</p><p> Squash </p><p> Squash</p><p> ME/UMC vs MC JTTS</p><p> ME vs UMC</p><p> </p><p> Throw in some strong angles, and hopefully the show shouldn't tank. That's how I'd do it anyway. Really haven't had the time to get too deeply involved with the mod just yet (work, life, etc. getting in the way). </p><p> </p><p> Hope that helps, or at least becomes a jumping off point for further card layout discussion.</p>

[juggaloninjalee]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Phreak" data-cite="Phreak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Its also worth noting that ME vs UMC tends to rate out fairly well. So you can lay it out like:<p> </p><p> UMC vs MC Jobber to the Stars</p><p> Squash</p><p> Squash </p><p> Squash</p><p> ME/UMC vs MC JTTS</p><p> ME vs UMC</p><p> </p><p> Throw in some strong angles, and hopefully the show shouldn't tank. That's how I'd do it anyway. Really haven't had the time to get too deeply involved with the mod just yet (work, life, etc. getting in the way). </p><p> </p><p> Hope that helps, or at least becomes a jumping off point for further card layout discussion.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The only problem with that is that some UM even are low in overness. I get pretty decent shows but I put my main event as Hogan and Sting vs Andre and DiBiase. My co Main is usually Randy Savage and Orndorff vs Steamboat and Steele or something like that. Or Steamboat and Junkyard Dog.</p><p> </p><p> That is what works for me. I use variations of that on tv.</p>

[Consrvtve]

<p>To help boost the overall rating I begin every show, whether its TV or PPV with a video which I think is called 3 vs 2 where I just show the 5 most over workers I have. In my case it's savage, steamboat, hogan, piper, and andre. Usually gets me at least an 80 which helps balance out my hit and miss further on down the card. </p><p> </p><p>

Dark match 10 man battle royals usually net me a 75 as well with a positive reaction from the crowd.</p>

[juggaloninjalee]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Consrvtve" data-cite="Consrvtve" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>To help boost the overall rating I begin every show, whether its TV or PPV with a video which I think is called 3 vs 2 where I just show the 5 most over workers I have. In my case it's savage, steamboat, hogan, piper, and andre. Usually gets me at least an 80 which helps balance out my hit and miss further on down the card. <p> </p><p> Dark match 10 man battle royals usually net me a 75 as well with a positive reaction from the crowd.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Who is usually in your 10 man battle royal?</p>

[Consrvtve]

Depends on who isn't booked to wrestle on the show. I'm trying to get my horsemen over and gaining skills, so it's usually AA, Tully, Windham, Dibiase and then maybe Demoltion, along with some of the midcard stepping stones I've signed like Snuka and Slaughter. Then I toss in two of my young lion types (HBK, Gilbert, Sting, Hennig) to help them gain some skills.

[Hive]

The problem with battle royals is that you have 1 winner and 9 losers. Losing all the time is good for noone, and having a match every week where 9 of your people loses is not a viable idea in the long run imo.

[Rick Savant]

Goldberg could kick Hakus ass.

 

This is the opposite of true. Jericho beat up Goldberg. Chris Jericho. The guy with the poof of hair on the top of his head. Haku was a trained sumo wrestler and was all around tough as nails.

 

The problem with battle royals is that you have 1 winner and 9 losers. Losing all the time is good for noone, and having a match every week where 9 of your people loses is not a viable idea in the long run imo.

 

While this is true... it's worth mentioning that losing in a battle royal would be good for your E- pop E momentum guys. If a guy has a match that is significantly better graded than his momentum he will gain despite a loss. If your E momentum guy takes place in a C rated battle royal it will raise his mom.

 

That logic can't be carried over to losing every week though... in the long run you are absolutely correct.

[Consrvtve]

<p>I may just have to start over with a different company. WWF has so many people with booze and drugs that my backstage is down to 75% after a month (and after I fired a bunch of bad influences too). I've got a bunch of good road agents but I get at least one fight/argument a week and some of these stars can't get over a 70 for an interview because of their backgrounds (Roberts). </p><p> </p><p>

Very disappointing because I loved where I was headed with storylines.</p>

[ACCBiggz]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Consrvtve" data-cite="Consrvtve" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Very disappointing because I loved where I was headed with storylines.</div></blockquote><p> Then why not work at fixing the issues instead of giving up?</p>

[Hive]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Consrvtve" data-cite="Consrvtve" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I may just have to start over with a different company. WWF has so many people with booze and drugs that my backstage is down to 75% after a month (and after I fired a bunch of bad influences too). I've got a bunch of good road agents but I get at least one fight/argument a week and some of these stars can't get over a 70 for an interview because of their backgrounds (Roberts). <p> </p><p> Very disappointing because I loved where I was headed with storylines.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm not sure you'll be able to find *any* 80's company without drug problems.</p><p> </p><p> AWA? Hennig and Hall, for example. WCCW? The Von Erichs, for example. JCP? Luger, Rude and The Road Warriors, for example. And so on... drugs in 80's wrestling is there, you just have to deal with it properly (or ignore it alltogether).</p>

[Tempest Kane]

With JCP i have been very agressive in tackling the drug issues. I fired the unrequired and cut my roster down to under a 3rd of its size, i hired in no more than 5 guys, 2 of them were also having drug issues. I set my drug testing to extreme and i tested the roster every single day for 3 months.

 

This ofc nuked my backstage down to 0% and made some people hate me, but it also made a number of them loyal to me and i managed to get them all for the most part clean of drugs, with exception to Luger, Brian Pillman and Shane Douglas who still had issues and promptly got jobbed out and fired.

 

My cards took a clear hit for 6 to 9 months, i dont remmber exactly but it was closer to 6 than 9, in eaither case eventualy my rateing went back up to around 70% backstage and i had managed to eaither filter out from my roster anyone who still hated my guts or change their mind or wait it out (simmering tensions dont seem to last too long).

 

In eaither case i was left with a roster that was drug free, a fair number of them loyal to me with 6-9 months worth of push under them and WWF unable to steal them from me, and my cards jumped from C+ cards (that were still increasing my orgs pop because i ran them in locals i had little pop) all the way to B+ shows on the basis of my backstage rateing going up because the time had expired on the drug issues i no longer had...

 

And of course my workers are having better matchs because of it... Now i cant seem to do much about the smokers or the drinkers, but i grit my teeth and i took the hit, and now im only hireing people i think i can easily fix or dont have drug issues...

 

Its the hit the WWF had to take in the early 90s, why not start it a little earlier and just.... solider on past it?