The Celt Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Remember when youtube had star ratings out of 5? No? It was forever ago, and was done away with. Why? Because people only ever rated things 5 if they like them, or 1 if it they didn't. People always voted in a binary. So the logical thing to do was to simply make the system an up or a down, and then show you a percentage breakdow, ie this video has roughly 78% likes to dislikes. The same thing more or less happens here on GDS; people vote 5 stars if they like a thread, 1 if don't. If it can be done where we see a percentage rating next to a thread rather than a star rating, I think that'd be helpful. More or less almost all threads end up with either 5 or 4 stars. 3 and 2 stars threads are almost never seen and a 1 star thread might crop up, but only if it's an awful thread. TL;DR: Can we get percentage ratings instead of stars for threads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Roguey Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I could be wrong but I think the star ratings is built into VBulletin itself and it's outside of GDS hands so until VBulletin changes, we're stuck with the current system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celuwyn Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 We should switch to XenForo. More and more do that and it's better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 We should just get rid of the system altogether. After googling and ending up on the vbulletin site, I found this. Admin CP -> Forums & Moderators -> Forum Manager -> Edit Forum -> Allow Thread Ratings in this Forum It would need to be done in each section by the site admin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Scott Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 We should just get rid of the system altogether. After googling and ending up on the vbulletin site, I found this. It would need to be done in each section by the site admin. I second this until the end of time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Also agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlie Rahn Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I'll take a look at it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Scott Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arlie Rahn" data-cite="Arlie Rahn" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41033" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'll take a look at it</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thank you Arlie! <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlie Rahn Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 OK, I removed them on some of the forum areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Scott Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 OK, I removed them on some of the forum areas. Could you do the dynasty section? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Could you do the dynasty section? This is and the suggestions area are probably the top two. People have gone in and 1 starred in both areas on threads I know were not bad. In the dynasty, I imagine it happens when someones favorite dynasty is rated lower than another one that may or may not be as good, and gets 1 starred to try and even it out. In the suggestions area, I believe people have 1 starred suggestions just because people still believe that one suggestion getting in might make another, perhaps better suggestion, get left out. I don't think either one of them actually effects people viewing them, and I believe a developer is probably going to look at views and replies more than the star rating, so I doubt the star ratings actually help anyone anyways. I for the most part totally ignore them, didn't even notice some of them are already gone til' after reading this thread. I go for the views and replies more than anything, and I totally ignore it all with the dynasty area's, because it's never accurate unless it's been ongoing for a year or more. I really wish this forum had a "Like" button over any other suggestions, I like that the most. Just something I can say, hey I like your post... and if I don't I don't hit anything. Keeps everyone positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Roguey Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Could you do the dynasty section? Eh, I'd argue against this. It's a decent way of getting feedback on if what you are doing is working or not, especially since getting actual written feedback can be like drawing teeth at times. Sure it's an easily abused system by some people but I like to think at the end of the day, a large majority of people just ignore the thread rating and truck on anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 I'm a big fan of getting rid of the star ratings everywhere, for exactly the reasons mentioned before. It's used as a binary system, very few people even notice the stars are there, people never (and can't?) change their ratings if the thread changes and there are minimal upsides. Likes are generally the best way to go if possible, whether that be for individual posts or entire threads. No idea if it's possible but at least with likes you can see what people actually like... something with 100 likes is way more obviously useful than a thread with 3 stars, which could be one 5 star and one 1 star rating combined. Ultimately, if people don't like something it will be ignored... but finding something that lots of people like is instantly helpful feedback for anyone looking for starting points for anything... advice, graphics, dynasties etc Not to mention it's great feedback for anyone writing on the forums, which is massively helpful for writers who often don't know how many people are reading along and likes are just as good as a "that was a good show" type comment. TLDR: Basically, star ratings suck, like system rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Eh, I'd argue against this. It's a decent way of getting feedback on if what you are doing is working or not, especially since getting actual written feedback can be like drawing teeth at times. Sure it's an easily abused system by some people but I like to think at the end of the day, a large majority of people just ignore the thread rating and truck on anyways. I think the ratings actually even out after a period of time, and are more correct at that point. It's when the diary's first start that it's the most wrong... Sometimes I think it's a popularity thing, especially with avid diary writers. I've seen highly rated threads before they post their first show, and seen newbie threads rated low before their's. After a period of time the better one's start standing out, and all is well. At the beginning of diary's I've noticed it's rarely if ever accurate. It helps the established and hurts the unknowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Scott Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Eh, I'd argue against this. It's a decent way of getting feedback on if what you are doing is working or not, especially since getting actual written feedback can be like drawing teeth at times. Sure it's an easily abused system by some people but I like to think at the end of the day, a large majority of people just ignore the thread rating and truck on anyways. It's abused by a lot of people. If someone wants to show their support they can comment. There's no need for star ratings though, because like said in the first post, it's always only 1 star or 5 star, and I'm sure a lot of people agree that getting one stars on every single dynasty you do kills a ton of motivation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 I'm a big fan of getting rid of the star ratings everywhere, for exactly the reasons mentioned before. It's used as a binary system, very few people even notice the stars are there, people never (and can't?) change their ratings if the thread changes and there are minimal upsides. Likes are generally the best way to go if possible, whether that be for individual posts or entire threads. No idea if it's possible but at least with likes you can see what people actually like... something with 100 likes is way more obviously useful than a thread with 3 stars, which could be one 5 star and one 1 star rating combined. Ultimately, if people don't like something it will be ignored... but finding something that lots of people like is instantly helpful feedback for anyone looking for starting points for anything... advice, graphics, dynasties etc Not to mention it's great feedback for anyone writing on the forums, which is massively helpful for writers who often don't know how many people are reading along and likes are just as good as a "that was a good show" type comment. TLDR: Basically, star ratings suck, like system rules. I give this post 5 stars! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41033" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I give this post 5 stars!<img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I like this ironic statement! <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Roguey Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Dave_Scott" data-cite="Dave_Scott" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41033" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It's abused by a lot of people. If someone wants to show their support they can comment. There's no need for star ratings though, because like said in the first post, it's always only 1 star or 5 star, and I'm sure a lot of people agree that getting one stars on every single dynasty you do kills a ton of motivation.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Might be crotchety old man MHero kicking in here but I remember a time when diaries who got the fabled one star just used to joke about the one star bandit and move on. It's only recently I've really noticed people taking deep deep offence to the idea that people might not agree with their writing so it gets one starred. ¬_¬</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Scott Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="MHero" data-cite="MHero" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41033" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Might be crotchety old man MHero kicking in here but I remember a time when diaries who got the fabled one star just used to joke about the one star bandit and move on. It's only recently I've really noticed people taking deep deep offence to the idea that people might not agree with their writing so it gets one starred. ¬_¬</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> My opinion still stands that I feel we would be better off if they were removed.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_CoC Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="MHero" data-cite="MHero" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41033" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Might be crotchety old man MHero kicking in here but I remember a time when diaries who got the fabled one star just used to joke about the one star bandit and move on. It's only recently I've really noticed people taking deep deep offence to the idea that people might not agree with their writing so it gets one starred. ¬_¬</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah I agree with you MHero, in fact I would give that comment 5 stars. </p><p> </p><p> Also I'm happy with the star ratings being removed from everywhere minus Diaries and Suggestions. As a creator the star system does not offend me instead motivates me. I know the 1 stars are trolls but I also know that the people that rate it 5 star genuinely enjoy it and thats a good feeling.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Might be crotchety old man MHero kicking in here but I remember a time when diaries who got the fabled one star just used to joke about the one star bandit and move on. It's only recently I've really noticed people taking deep deep offence to the idea that people might not agree with their writing so it gets one starred. ¬_¬ I agree with you. As someone who always gets a one star for every thread I have ever created, it does not bother me in the least bit. In fact it does the opposite, I laugh each time one of my threads gets a one star (I now one star my own threads). The way I look at it is this, if someone dislikes me that much or if they think they can troll me by giving me a one star, well the joke is on them because it does not matter to me in the least bit. Even it if the one star is genuine criticism and is not coming from someone who dislikes of me or trying to troll me, I am cool with it. Everyone has the right to their opinion and if that is the way they want to voice it so be it. There is no way that I would take any offense to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 I understand that some may not care, and do like some sort of rating. Myself, I just feel the "like" button would be a lot more informative. It shows you who liked it, how many liked it, all right there for you to see.. and more importantly, for me to see when I'm pressed for time and can't read them all. I honestly don't care if we have stars or not to be honest. Stars don't influence me in the least, as far as reading other threads or my own threads. I just don't look at them anymore since as I said they are not accurate of the content inside. Example: I know I'm not the only one to have read a couple highly rated diary's or suggestions and then read a couple of low rated diary's and suggestions and find them backwards after viewing them. Especially if they are only a couple of weeks old or less. As I said earlier, I've seen some good suggestions, stuff that was put into the games although their ratings were low. I do look at views quite a bit, as that tells me how much interest in that thread there is (most of the time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlameSnoopy Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Sadly now we lost the hilariousness of me rating this thread 1 star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_CoC Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 The major problem I have with it is that we decided to get rid of it based on a few opinions. This is a community and the community should of been asked perhaps making a thread with a poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Sadly now we lost the hilariousness of me rating this thread 1 star Don't worry I had you covered. I gave it a one star a few days ago. Well it is gone now but trust me it was there before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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