Mods By Fleisch

TheWho87 · October 6, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="NoLegsGaming" data-cite="NoLegsGaming" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>PCW though aren't anywhere near, as they tend to bring in a lot of old imports and put them over their mainstays such as Gangrel, The Honky Tonk Man, Billy Gunn, Bob Holly and Rob Van Dam, and not many people discuss their shows when they happen but when ICW have a show a lot of people talk about it, and when PROGRESS do, the majority of UK Wrestling fans on twitter talk about it. As for RevPro being a generic indy company, I disagree as they bring in a lot of top talent from around the country and put them against some of the world's finest talents. And to be honest, I'd remove NGW for WCPW as NGW are by far the smallest company out of the English ones, and their TV deal is just highlights of recent shows, with about 20 minutes of wrestling each week on a 1 hour show. They also have the smallest reach out of themselves and WCPW as well, but it's not my decision to make tbh.</div></blockquote> From the list of promotions provided I'd argue that PCW is the UK's third biggest, they have worked with ROH and are currently working with CZW, Beyond and wXw, they may not bring in current big names but thats not the audience they go for, they are aimed at the family friendly market and get people in by bringing in known names that can draw, they are not focused on rated matches, they consistantly put on shows that draw a general crowd, Do you not pay attention to RevPro's non-London shows, thats what I'm refering to, they bring in all the big names for London but their Portsmouth/Sittingbourne shows are basically a mid 2000's UK indie show, 1-2 imports (mostly in early for the London shows) a few big name UK stars and then their typical core roster of people who you rarely see at the London shows. Also if you read my post my main recomendations for removal were IPW:UK and SWA, IPW:UK is essentually RevPro with less imports, and to use your PCW comment tends to bring in "old imports", I'd even say they have less value for inclusion that NGW, as for SWA, assuming its a Scottish promotion I'd argue either PBW or Discovery is a better choice for another Scottish promotion than them, that is unless the only reason to keep them in is for a NWA promotion in the UK, if you want to go another way I'd even say Over The Top Wrestling could take the place of SWA, they are a fast growing company with an interesting style that might be fun to add.

WillyWillyWilly · October 6, 2016

All UK companys in this mod are bigger and more important than WCPW, so all should be in, WCPW should be out.

Fleisch · October 6, 2016

From a personal stand point, I honestly think WCPW is trash. However, I'm open to others ideas - just surprised it took 3 days from me taking the "No Requests" sign down for someone to ask for a new promotion! <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

The reason for the stop at 50 promotions is because I feel that is enough to give the player a variety of different promotion styles to play as, and it is very difficult trying to just keep WWE & NXT up to date and title changes for all promotions let alone rosters.

It's not because I'm being stubborn or bloody minded (as I'm sure some people might think), but simply because time isn't infinite and I only have so many hours a month I can use for this. That is why I have now come up with the idea of "1 in 1 out" so people can feel free to request new promotions but under the condition they have to explain why that promotion is more important than a promotion they want to take out (and no cheating... it's like for like, you want a new American promotion, then an American promotion has to come out, etc).

Might make for some interesting discussions!!

LigerLiger · October 6, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Larrikn" data-cite="Larrikn" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>WCPW is trash lets just not add them <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote> I agree. As someone in reddit,I believe said: <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>(...) holy [DELETED] is the product bad. For a company that rips on everybody else, to produce this [DELETED] is embarrassing. But it isn't all their fault. They're a bunch of fans with no wrestling experience who have no idea how things really go, and now they're learning the hard way.(...)</div></blockquote> That sums it up.

Big Roguey · October 6, 2016

If we're adding another UK promotion, I'm casting a vote for either Fight Club Pro or Attack Pro purely because they have somewhat unique rosters. WCPW largely pull their roster from the bigger companies but FCP or ATTACK give you the likes of Dan Moloney, The Hunter Brothers, Chris Brookes, Drew Parker, Ethan Silver, Clint Margera etc who are all largely confined to the Midlands' highly underrated wrestling scene. Whilst it would potentially mean more work to add them, it'd give variety to the in game world rather than throwing in E-Fed Wrestling Promotion 58.

Fleisch · October 6, 2016

If we're adding another UK promotion, I'm casting a vote for either Fight Club Pro or Attack Pro purely because they have somewhat unique rosters. WCPW largely pull their roster from the bigger companies but FCP or ATTACK give you the likes of Dan Moloney, The Hunter Brothers, Chris Brookes, Drew Parker, Ethan Silver, Clint Margera etc who are all largely confined to the Midlands' highly underrated wrestling scene. Whilst it would potentially mean more work to add them, it'd give variety to the in game world rather than throwing in E-Fed Wrestling Promotion 58.

K-Star Wrestling were my "go to" promotion for the Midlands because I'd added them to RaveX as no other mod had them in and sort of followed them for the next 10 years. It was also the first promotion I saw Lee & Jim Hunter wrestle back in 2007 - although I think they were The Hunter Connection back then and used the names Sevantes & Salvadore (I'm almost certain they took the belts from Franco and for the life of me his partner who I cannot remember). ATTACK were going to be included but someone wanted wXw in so they got added instead. Part of me is thinking of adding ATTACK and removing SWA... oh yeah folks, I too can decide on swapsies!

TsuMirren · October 6, 2016

As TheWho87 says, All Star should be active. They are after all the oldest UK promotion and one of the oldest worldwide.

I'd like to see SWA left in, partially because I'm Scottish, partially because they have Cody Rhodes in Paisley this month and partially because I ran their predecessor Scottish Championship Wrestling and seeing SWA in mods makes me smile.

I'd also suggest WAW should be in, again because they've been around a good while.

Larrikn · October 7, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>K-Star Wrestling were my "go to" promotion for the Midlands because I'd added them to RaveX as no other mod had them in and sort of followed them for the next 10 years. It was also the first promotion I saw Lee & Jim Hunter wrestle back in 2007 - although I think they were The Hunter Connection back then and used the names Sevantes & Salvadore (I'm almost certain they took the belts from Franco and for the life of me his partner who I cannot remember). ATTACK were going to be included but someone wanted wXw in so they got added instead. Part of me is thinking of adding ATTACK and removing SWA... oh yeah folks, I too can decide on swapsies! <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote> totally down for swapping SWA for Attack Pro

joemurphy · October 7, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="MHero" data-cite="MHero" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If we're adding another UK promotion, I'm casting a vote for either Fight Club Pro or Attack Pro purely because they have somewhat unique rosters. WCPW largely pull their roster from the bigger companies but FCP or ATTACK give you the likes of Dan Moloney, The Hunter Brothers, Chris Brookes, Drew Parker, Ethan Silver, Clint Margera etc who are all largely confined to the Midlands' highly underrated wrestling scene. Whilst it would potentially mean more work to add them, it'd give variety to the in game world rather than throwing in E-Fed Wrestling Promotion 58.</div></blockquote> Agree, FCP and Attack being added would be great. If you had to take out two promotions to get them in why not GBG and STHLM? I understand they're in so that there are promotions in Europe but if anyone has a game running with either of them I'd be surprised. A quick look on Cagematch and STHLM hasn't been updated for a while (not a knock on you Fleisch I understand how much work you put into the mod and am grateful for that) and if someone cared about them being in the mod wouldn't they have spoken up?

Fleisch · October 7, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="joemurphy" data-cite="joemurphy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Agree, FCP and Attack being added would be great. If you had to take out two promotions to get them in why not GBG and STHLM? I understand they're in so that there are promotions in Europe but if anyone has a game running with either of them I'd be surprised. A quick look on Cagematch and STHLM hasn't been updated for a while (not a knock on you Fleisch I understand how much work you put into the mod and am grateful for that) and if someone cared about them being in the mod wouldn't they have spoken up?</div></blockquote> Thing with STHLM and GBG is they were added by someone else who gave me the data which is why I've not taken them out. (VampiroEl at these boards I believe). Due to the work someone else put in I'd feel a bit ungrateful to then delete them. I have a game going with GBG believe it or not haha. I fancied a break from the norm and just wanted to see how I could book them. If VampiroEl is ok with them being removed I will take one of them out for ATTACK. ALL READ For any one who is interested, there is now a quick update to both the data and people pack. Not much has changed in the data, mainly new picture syncing and alter-egos (and one major title change). Best to download People and data though as you're guaranteed everything being as it should picture wise that way.

ZakZero · October 9, 2016

Joe Hendry should definitely get a big boost

Fleisch · October 9, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ZakZero" data-cite="ZakZero" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Joe Hendry should definitely get a big boost</div></blockquote> In what? By how much? Why should he get a boost? "Wrestler X should get a big boost" doesn't really help in terms of feedback. Shall I boost his popularity in Australia? Should I boost his menace to A*? Should I boost his gimmick rating? Should I boost his personality? Give me more to go on and I'll look into it providing it is balanced into the data.

Larrikn · October 10, 2016

Tiger Mask W just debuted in the NJPW dark match and seems to have been played by

"SPOILER?"KOTA IBUSHI take that as you will but from body shape, markings, eyes and hair colour it looks to be him.

Fleisch · October 10, 2016

The month of October will see me working exclusively on Diablo X. I keep trying to set aside time to do it, but a million things keep coming up for RWC, so for the month of October I wont be touching RWC. There may be a "Christmas" Edition, but there are no plans for a November update.

Once Diablo X is completed (currently reassigning gimmicks - which is a lot of fun...<img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />) then it will be business as usual for RWC releases so continue posting what you find or updates and I shall refer back to this thread in November when I (hopefully) begin work on Decembers update. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

Kijar · October 10, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The month of October will see me working exclusively on Diablo X. I keep trying to set aside time to do it, but a million things keep coming up for RWC, so for the month of October I wont be touching RWC. There may be a "Christmas" Edition, but there are no plans for a November update. Once Diablo X is completed (currently reassigning gimmicks - which is a lot of fun...<img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />) then it will be business as usual for RWC releases so continue posting what you find or updates and I shall refer back to this thread in November when I (hopefully) begin work on Decembers update. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote> Awesome news as I am having fun with the current version of RWC and am missing Diablo X a ton! Win-win, thanks Fleisch! <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

Vagrant · October 10, 2016

Couple WWE notes

Luke Harper officially on Smackdown rejoining Bray Wyatt

Paige suspended 60 days for second wellness violation.

dnmt · October 11, 2016

Hi Fleisch not sure if this is the thread to ask but would you be able to do a quick cut of Tiger Mask W on your blue background? I found a decent picture for it: <a href="http://imgur.com/k7jCAhH" rel="external nofollow">http://imgur.com/k7jCAhH</a>

EDIT - someone did it already! <img alt="Tig_Mask_W.jpg" data-src="https://s16.postimg.org/3kg3y6x8x/Tig_Mask_W.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

VampiroEl · October 11, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Thing with STHLM and GBG is they were added by someone else who gave me the data which is why I've not taken them out. (VampiroEl at these boards I believe). Due to the work someone else put in I'd feel a bit ungrateful to then delete them. I have a game going with GBG believe it or not haha. I fancied a break from the norm and just wanted to see how I could book them. If VampiroEl is ok with them being removed I will take one of them out for ATTACK. ALL READ For any one who is interested, there is now a quick update to both the data and people pack. Not much has changed in the data, mainly new picture syncing and alter-egos (and one major title change). Best to download People and data though as you're guaranteed everything being as it should picture wise that way.</div></blockquote> If I only had the time, I would update the data. I had heard that someone else was updating the whole of Europe and sending the data over to Fleisch. That was a while ago now. I personally think that they should be taken out for now and if I have a weekend free over the cold winter (that will more than likely hit Scandinavia) I might knuckle down and update STHLM, GBG, SWS and FCF. But yeah, for future releases, maybe take them and the workers out.

Dave_Scott · October 11, 2016

I've always thought you've underrated Jeff Hardy a lot on charisma. One doesn't need excellent mic skills to have charisma and Jeff is perhaps one of the best examples. If you could think about boosting him pretty heavy. Anywhere between 80-90 seems fitting to me.

Fleisch · October 11, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="VampiroEl" data-cite="VampiroEl" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If I only had the time, I would update the data. I had heard that someone else was updating the whole of Europe and sending the data over to Fleisch. That was a while ago now. I personally think that they should be taken out for now and if I have a weekend free over the cold winter (that will more than likely hit Scandinavia) I might knuckle down and update STHLM, GBG, SWS and FCF. But yeah, for future releases, maybe take them and the workers out.</div></blockquote> To be honest, I'm only going to take one of them out. I want to keep the workers in for now (unless they have retired) as they add a bit of depth to Europe. I want to keep GBG & FCF in for definite as I updated GBG not too long ago. It will probably be STHLM out for ATTACK then. Which brings me to my request... I have watched 3 ATTACK shows, and loved them but I am going to need help with a roster (and I've been told Pete Dunne owns the company, but I can find nothing online to back that up). Any and all help with getting them added would be great.

NoLegsGaming · October 11, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I have watched 3 ATTACK shows, and loved them but I am going to need help with a roster (and I've been told Pete Dunne owns the company, but I can find nothing online to back that up). Any and all help with getting them added would be great.</div></blockquote> I haven't seen too much of ATTACK, but I'm off college all day Friday and from mid-day Thursday so I should be able to help out then for people such as Travis Banks, Mike Bird, Kid Lykos, The Love Making Demon (There's a name I never thought I'd say) and Ryan Smile. Also, if Banks gets added, you'll have 2/3s of PROGRESS' South Pacific Power Trio so I could also get TK Cooper done and added in, and also apparently Tyler Bate and Toni Storm have split up.

mikemanwba · October 11, 2016

Definitely need a bit of Travis Banks, he's popping up all over the place at the moment, TK is as well, and SPPT are a nice tag team to have available for some lower British / European companies to pick up. I'm honestly surprised they aren't in already, TK practically wrestles alongside Dahlia in half of her matches

Big Roguey · October 11, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>To be honest, I'm only going to take one of them out. I want to keep the workers in for now (unless they have retired) as they add a bit of depth to Europe. I want to keep GBG & FCF in for definite as I updated GBG not too long ago. It will probably be STHLM out for ATTACK then. Which brings me to my request... I have watched 3 ATTACK shows, and loved them but I am going to need help with a roster (and I've been told Pete Dunne owns the company, but I can find nothing online to back that up). Any and all help with getting them added would be great.</div></blockquote> ATTACK was formed by the DEFEND Indy Wrestling collective which is Mark Andrews, Eddie Dennis, Pete Dunne [who at the very least owns the Paypal account used for ATTACK ticket sales] and I thiiiiiiiink Jim Lee the ring announcer. There are some masked people in ATTACK who I know the shoot identities of so I can get a list of that to you Fleisch. As for the roster, easy. Colour coded for convenience. Blue = good, red = bad Main Roster [Read this as must definitely be on the roster] Chief Deputy Dunne [Damien Dunne] Chris Brookes Ravin' Danny Jones Drew Parker [Working an extremist gimmick where he literally thinks he is in 1995 ECW and as such, worked as Sab-Drew on their last show. It was wonderful] Eddie Dennis Kid Lykos/Mondai Lykos [On my list of known identities that I'm not posting in public out of respect for ATTACK. Also Cagematch is wrong with the shoot identity of Kid Lykos, just as a heads up] Jim Construction [Jim Hunter] Jim Lee - the ring announcer and Pete Dunne's whipping/biting post Lee Construction [Lee Hunter] Los Federales Santos Sr [On the list of known identities to be sent via PM. Kayfabe rules even if Cagematch has the identity correct] Love Making Demon Mark Andrews Mike Bird Morgan Webster Nixon Newell [who turned heel at the last show and broke my heart] Pete Dunne Ryan Smile Sergeant Banks [Travis Banks] Shay Purser [the referee] Tyler Bate Wild Boar Club 100 - It's been described as the "NXT of ATTACK" so these guys aren't essential but if you need to make up the ideal roster number then they're good to add Alex Windsor Brendan White Chris Ridgeway Panda Cub Split McPins [on the list] I'm unsure of Ridgeway & Cub's alignments as they appeared in a six man scramble and it's hard to gauge proper alignments in that style of match. It could be argued that by strict definition of "they appeared on the last 2/3 shows" that El Ligero, Trent Seven & Clint Margera should be on the roster but those were all one shot appearances. People like Charlie Garrett & Martin Kirby haven't appeared for a while so I wouldn't put them on the roster unless you're absolutely desperate for numbers. This post was longer than I had intended but I've been following ATTACK for a good couple of years now so I consider myself somewhat knowledgeable on the promotion. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png">

joemurphy · October 12, 2016

Can't wait for Love Making Demon to be added to the mod so I can make him WWE Champ. Demon vs Nixon for Mania Main Event.

NoLegsGaming · October 12, 2016

I've seen quite a bit of Alex Windsor in PROGRESS, RevPro and WCPW so I could also do her stats as well as Chris Ridgeway also, if that helps.

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