Europe - languages and balance

[thadian]

When I look at how many areas are in a region, and how many languages are in that region, a few things stand out as awfully unbalanced. Europe has 4 areas, and 4 languages - while America, Aussie and England share a language.

 

Correct me if I am wrong in these claims, but in game...

1. French is only useful in Canada.

2. Spanish is only useful in Mexico and maybe American Southwest a tiny bit.

3. Each European language is only useful in it's own province.

4. English is useful pretty much everywhere except Quebec, Japan, Mexico and Europe.

 

I find this awfully unbalanced because...

1. The Anglosphere is the "go-to" for making international promotions as you only need your entire roster to have one language.

2. Europe will probably struggle to ever have a top tier promotion because nobody wants to play tetris with everyone's languages to book a show.

3. Japan, Canada and Mexico each have a language only useful in it's own region. They have it better than Europe, but they still have it very tough internationally.

 

I understand each area provides a different game with different scenarios and challenges - Japan and Mexico are both language-bound to their own region, but have different trends and starting situations making them genuinely different. I understand making each European nation speak the same language would ruin fun/challenge, and game of playing in Europe.

 

I just wish there were something that could be done to make it more sane. Maybe if each Europe Language had 2 zones that spoke it, or something.

 

Cheers.

[Adam Ryland]

I think you've made a mistake in your opening paragraph; Europe has 7 regions, not 4.

 

I'm not sure what you're aiming for when you say that you think the current set up isn't "sane". Europe is massively divided by culture and language and it realistically would be extremely hard, bordering on the impossible, to create a continent-spanning wrestling promotion as a result. English-speaking areas, or self-contained places like Japan, do have a massive advantage in that respect. If your argument is that this is unfair on Europe, I'd say that's correct, but also completely in-line with reality. There is no intent to make every area fair or for every area to be equally balanced.

[nebradska]

It's not about balance, it's about gameplay based on reality. I personally wouldn't want every area to feel the same.

 

Anyway, if you just bring in some guys who speak other languages, they'll start spreading them backstage faster than a Rosetta Stone subscription for all your workers.

[DarEatWorld]

Also, try running a show that's angle heavy with your predominantly English speaking roster in Puerto Rico! It's not a mistake I'll make twice!

 

I agree that the game is well enough balanced as it is. I wouldn't see a need for change other than maybe changing the 'Central European' language to German but even that is more a personal notion than anything major.

[thadian]

It's not about balance, it's about gameplay based on reality. I personally wouldn't want every area to feel the same.

 

Anyway, if you just bring in some guys who speak other languages, they'll start spreading them backstage faster than a Rosetta Stone subscription for all your workers.

 

Then there would have to be a minimum of 3 Spanish languages, 10+ European languages, etc. "Based on reality" - the point isn't to have a hyperrealistic game, but to approximate and come close while keeping it about the fun and balance of the gameplay. And as for bringing in people with different languages, a lot of things factor into that.

 

I mentioned in my OP that I don't want every area to feel the same either.

[thadian]

Also, try running a show that's angle heavy with your predominantly English speaking roster in Puerto Rico! It's not a mistake I'll make twice!

 

I agree that the game is well enough balanced as it is. I wouldn't see a need for change other than maybe changing the 'Central European' language to German but even that is more a personal notion than anything major.

 

Maybe they should just have "language group" instead of language?

 

When I Become International in size - or move from one Europe region to expand to the next. I don't want the total disaster of language barriers ruining everything. I was talking to a UFC fan recently who told me how when big stars from a particular region fight somewhere, fans of that region flock in. So when a Brazilian superstar has a big bout in the US, many Brazilians flood the arenas. Similarly then, a "Central European" draw - even in America or Japan, should attract a minimal base of Central European speakers into the crowd.

 

And if we are aiming for realism like the other guy said, then one of my professors told me that some regions of Canada use entirely French and others almost entirely English - and that in West France, most people speak Spanish as well as French - but in East France, most people speak a lot of German in addition to French, while Southern French speak a lot of Italian - so even then, in Europe, there should be a greater diversity of language speakers in an area. Maybe each region (Europe) could have 80% native speakers of it's own area, and 20% mixture of languages of the neighboring region. Or something like that.

 

Just like many people in Texas speak Spanish - more than in Indiana. While many more people in Ontario speak English than French (according to my Canadian friend who was an exchange student).

 

So, I guess the "fix" I would like to see is changing name of language to "language group" and giving each region some base of native speakers of other languages who live in adjacent regions.

[Adam Ryland]

You can change the languages for each region via the editor if you're not happy with the way it currently works. I'm not sure what advantage there would be to forcing it as a rule when people who want it have the option to do so themselves.

 

I don't think the MMA comparison is valid, language is far less of a barrier in a proper sport than it is in wrestling, where personality is key.

[BlueStar]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="thadian" data-cite="thadian" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="43196" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>When I look at how many areas are in a region, and how many languages are in that region, a few things stand out as awfully unbalanced. Europe has 4 areas, and 4 languages - while America, Aussie and England share a language. <p> </p><p> Correct me if I am wrong in these claims, but in game...</p><p> 1. French is only useful in Canada.</p><p> 2. Spanish is only useful in Mexico and maybe American Southwest a tiny bit.</p><p> 3. Each European language is only useful in it's own province.</p><p> 4. English is useful pretty much everywhere except Quebec, Japan, Mexico and Europe.</p><p> </p><p> I find this awfully unbalanced because...</p><p> 1. The Anglosphere is the "go-to" for making international promotions as you only need your entire roster to have one language.</p><p> 2. Europe will probably struggle to ever have a top tier promotion because nobody wants to play tetris with everyone's languages to book a show.</p><p> 3. Japan, Canada and Mexico each have a language only useful in it's own region. They have it better than Europe, but they still have it very tough internationally.</p><p> </p><p> I understand each area provides a different game with different scenarios and challenges - Japan and Mexico are both language-bound to their own region, but have different trends and starting situations making them genuinely different. I understand making each European nation speak the same language would ruin fun/challenge, and game of playing in Europe.</p><p> </p><p> I just wish there were something that could be done to make it more sane. Maybe if each Europe Language had 2 zones that spoke it, or something.</p><p> </p><p> Cheers.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Last night I was browsing through the UK/Europe setup, just thinking about making a company that would have ONLY (for example) Scandinavian or Italian wrestlers. It can be done. It involves some tweaking but it's not impossible.</p><p> Then again, look at the local European feds that are currently here: they don't have all local workers.</p><p> </p><p> Only criticism I may have, is that the language factor in Europe is more complex than in other regions. Then again, it seems fair that when a strange Romanian Snowman starts ranting in his native language in that capital of Denmark, called Belgium, would get nothing but confused looks. </p><p> So language factor in Europe: not realistic but I think you can't better it gamewise. (As it would make things too complex for a small portion of the game...imho).</p>

[thadian]

<p>1. Yes, I made a dumbo error - I was thinking of 2013 for some reason and said 4 when I meant 7.</p><p> </p><p>

2. I never knew I could change regional languages by the editor, neat. I still have some stuff to figure out in the editor so awesome!</p><p> </p><p>

Thanks!</p>

[AfRoMaN36]

You can book an angle light show, or use the angle writer to create angles based on popularity, and not entertainment. At least until your roster picks up the language. There's always a way around something in this game.

[KeyserSoze]

<p>As European I feel that is sadly realistic.</p><p> </p><p>

Anyway in the next game it can be a hidden comand to turn all the europeans regions to talk Esperanto.....<img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />:D</p>

[d12345]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="43196" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Correct me if I am wrong in these claims, but in game...<p> 1. French is only useful in Canada.</p><p> 2. Spanish is only useful in Mexico and maybe American Southwest a tiny bit.</p><p> 3. Each European language is only useful in it's own province.</p><p> 4. English is useful pretty much everywhere except Quebec, Japan, Mexico and Europe.</p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> 1 and 2 is wrong. French is useful in the France region of Europe as well. Spanish is useful in the Iberian region (Spain + Portugal), Puerto Rico, and pockets of the Mid-South and Southwest.</p><p> </p><p> (If Adam ever opens up the game to allow for South America Spanish would be even more useful)</p><p> </p><p> 4. IRL English is also useful in Quebec. Les Quebecois are bilingual. In real life English would be completely fine to use in Scandinavian countries and Central European countries. Germany, Switzerland, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, and Norway all are filled with fluent English speakers. Thus why English is such an overpowered language internationally.</p>

[CharlieRock]

<p>Is there a way to edit angles? If there is make them play music while your workers use body language. It's universal. Like, it would only incorporate Sex Appeal/Menace.</p><p> </p><p>

P.S. honestly, I got a few tapes of shows in Europe (Scandinavian but I don't know exactly which one since it is not dubbed) and they didn't do many angles. Everyone came down to the ring to their music and slapped hands or gestured rudely so I had a handle on the face/heel framework they were using. Kind of like most small, local shows I seen here. You know? I go in, get my seat and they do a little angle in the beginning then it's match after match until the end.</p>

[Blackman]

I don't see the problem. I'm not familiar with the wrestling scene over here, but I assume English (and French) are the actual languages spoken or are at least spoken by the wrestlers. Most have the goal of making it to the big leagues. If you don't know any english, that dream probably won't come to fruition.