Real World Chronicles Continued [Modern Day Real World Mod]

20LEgend · February 10, 2019

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="JMike" data-cite="JMike" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45652" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>- AEW should have non aggression pacts with NJPW and ROH. Maybe hostility with Impact?</div></blockquote> None aggression with ROH for a a company founded on guys who left ROH to go to AEW, probably isn't the right way to go. Non-agression is defined as "the two companies agree not to sign each other's talent". This would for instance stop AEW being able to sign Marty Scurll.

JMike · February 10, 2019

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="20LEgend" data-cite="20LEgend" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45652" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>None aggression with ROH for a a company founded on guys who left ROH to go to AEW, probably isn't the right way to go. Non-agression is defined as "the two companies agree not to sign each other's talent". This would for instance stop AEW being able to sign Marty Scurll.</div></blockquote> Isn't Scurll going to AEW once his contract expires? I wouldn't really count that. I get what you mean, though

S_Joker · February 10, 2019

If anything ROH should be hostile towards AEW.

NJPW should be as it is.

JCStensland · February 11, 2019

Courtney Stewart/Isla Dawn is set to be dating Aleister Black. Dunno if he's set as dating both on his end, but he's actually dating Zelina Vega.

Also, the wrong David Finlay is set to be tagging with Juice Robinson. It's set as Fit instead of David, Jr.

alpha2117 · February 11, 2019

Courtney Stewart/Isla Dawn is set to be dating Aleister Black. Dunno if he's set as dating both on his end, but he's actually dating Zelina Vega.

Also, the wrong David Finlay is set to be tagging with Juice Robinson. It's set as Fit instead of David, Jr.

Tad more than dating Zelina - they got married in December

southside_hitmen · February 11, 2019

JAPAN/WWE WORLDWIDE POPULARITY

Yeah this is just hillariously bizarre but I understand the mindset. WWE have extreme mainstream pull in the UK and USA. Not much so everywhere else regardless of how global they'd like to be percieved, this is perhaps most noticeable in Japan where WWE is not prominent at all due to the thriving scene and the only WWE Wrestlers that ever break the top 100 popularity polls are former Joshi and Puro stars such as Kairi Sane, Shinsuke Nakamura and Io Shirai, even in these examples, wrestlers like AJ Styles and Finn Balor see a major decrease in the rankings once they move over seas, the latter not even placing in last years top 100.

So to suggest that The Big Show and Kane are more popular in Japan than Minoru Suzuki in Japan, is simply put, ridiculous. As is to suggest Roman Reigns is more popular than the likes of YAMATO, KENTA and Katsuyori Shibata in the country. With this in mind here is a few recommendations to sort out the pop in the country before the next update.

- Nerf ALL WWE Wrestlers who didn't spend significant time or have coverage in Japan by bringing their pop down 20 Popularity. This would bring The likes of Cena down to respectable and more realistic low main eventer draw status of 60+ popularity.

- Buff PAC who starts as a midcarder and at a measly 30 Popularity. No, Rusev is not twice as over as PAC in Japan.

- Buff Tetsuya Naito to be the most over wrestler in the country BY FAR. He dominates the poll and has done so for the last few years. LIJ fever is manic and Naito is moving merch more than Rock and Austin did during AE and that's not a joke.

- Buff Hiromu Takahashi who has placed in the top 10 for the last 2 years.

This is just from the perspective of a guy who has subscriptions to Dragon Gate, NJPW and STARDOM and watches an insane amount of Puro. Hope I didn't come across rude, I'm thankful for the mod and understand that an outsider looking into the world of puro might mistake how it works.

Let me just start this by saying you're not wrong. Some WWE guys pop is prob too high in Japan as you mentioned. There's also some Japanese guys that could be upped, etc...

PAC is a definite oversight and will get raised up in next release.

WWE ran Japan 3 times last year and did 7k & 8k at Ryogoku on back-to-back-nights, then like 3.5k in Osaka. The Ryogoku numbers are the 6 & 7th biggest attendance in Japan last year (and bigger than any show outside of NJPW). So, while WWE prob isn't as high as it is currently, it's also not hurting as much as you make it seem in Japan either.

But... I think you are putting WAY too much stock into Number magazines top 100 list of wrestlers to rate people's popularity in Japan.

Yes, Naito has won the last 2 years (him AND Tanahashi have like an order of magnitude more points than the #3 person in either poll) but that same poll also rates Jiro Kuroshio 6th each year and Andreza Giant Panda 20/22 respectively. It also has both of them over someone like Kento Miyahara which is crazy town. The poll itself also asks "who is the best wrestler" to it's readers, not who is the most popular/well-known.

The poll is a measure sure, and of course LIJ is doing great on merch sales, but to suggest that because Naito finished just ahead of Tana both years so he should be so much more over doesn't make sense. This also isn't to suggest that Tana should be miles ahead either. Him, Okada, and Naito go 89, 88, 88 in pop in the current data, so you are essentially choosing your hill to die on about a guy being 1 pop point below the most over guy in Japan.

EDIT: Also, this release was the one where I RAISED Naito to be even with the other 2 in pop as I agree that he should be top 3 draw in Japan

EDIT 2: As I’ve mentioned many times in this thread, AJPW and Sendai Girls are the two promotions I watch the most

southside_hitmen · February 11, 2019

Again, in the above I am not saying that everything is “right” in the data and you are right on with some of the WWE guys pop.

Please be aware there is only so much that can actually get edited each release and I can honestly say I have not touched a WWE guys Japan pop in either of the 2 releases I’ve made.

No one is trying to get data wrong, look at things from an “outsider” perspective (that one made me laugh as I’m a giant puro fan myself) or anything of that nature. There is quite frankly too much editable data to handle each release to get things 100% perfect.

I think I’ve shown I’m more than happy to edit things where it makes sense or show my logic when I won’t, but some of the responses in this thread are coming off like people expect over 1 million data points just on workers alone (that change each release) to be exactly “correct” at all times which is impossible.

Fleisch and I aren’t a AAA game studio. Just two wrestling fans trying to make something enjoyable for the community.

Please, if you have suggestions, make them. But don’t expect a data game about a subjective art form to be exactly perfect and be “disappointed, sorry, hilarious or pissed” (actual terms used in last 3 pages of thread) when it’s not.

Oyaji · February 11, 2019

Well said!

Some lucha libre re-rate requests, which I'm sure you're more than thrilled to receive as you try to get through all your adjustments before Friday:

Cavernario could use some skill boosts. He's one of the better in-ring talents in Mexico. He's a jack of all trades type but technical and aerial skills are his real strengths. While not maybe at the Volador/Ultimo Guerrero level in top row skills, he's not far off and he's actually quite good at telling a story and working his character into the match (though not as much as I'd like). He's also super charismatic (B- too strong?) and should have a healthy star quality too as he's one of the few fresh faces CMLL is really getting behind.

Speaking of, Ultimo Guerrero's brawling should probably receive a bump as well. A lot of his offense is based around big slams/power moves. He's one of the more charismatic workers in Mexico too.

Another luchador that could use a bump is Puma King. He is incredibly charismatic, super slick technically (all three of those skills), and a decent brawler too. Right now he's at 23% for psychology, which is low for an average indie worker much less a talented guy like Puma. He's not Tanahashi or anything, but he's better than most in that department imo. He's got his father's (Felino) entertainment skills. A good talker but a super presence in the ring. He won over PWG's crowd almost instantly on his debut there last year. He's settled into AAA's upper midcard now as well. I love this guy!

One last one is Rey Escorpion. He's more of a brawler as well and is a very smart glue guy that can carry a match story-wise. He's an excellent hand and it's not surprising he's thriving at the top of AAA's cards recently.

I understand this is subjective and I'm by no means a lucha libre expert, but those few nitpicks stood out when perusing your latest release.

Thanks for all the hard work! All those re-rates of the Japanese indies do not go unnoticed. It's awesome stuff.

Rainmaker · February 11, 2019

Let me just start this by saying you're not wrong. Some WWE guys pop is prob too high in Japan as you mentioned. There's also some Japanese guys that could be upped, etc...

PAC is a definite oversight and will get raised up in next release.

WWE ran Japan 3 times last year and did 7k & 8k at Ryogoku on back-to-back-nights, then like 3.5k in Osaka. The Ryogoku numbers are the 6 & 7th biggest attendance in Japan last year (and bigger than any show outside of NJPW). So, while WWE prob isn't as high as it is currently, it's also not hurting as much as you make it seem in Japan either.

But... I think you are putting WAY too much stock into Number magazines top 100 list of wrestlers to rate people's popularity in Japan.

Yes, Naito has won the last 2 years (him AND Tanahashi have like an order of magnitude more points than the #3 person in either poll) but that same poll also rates Jiro Kuroshio 6th each year and Andreza Giant Panda 20/22 respectively. It also has both of them over someone like Kento Miyahara which is crazy town. The poll itself also asks "who is the best wrestler" to it's readers, not who is the most popular/well-known.

The poll is a measure sure, and of course LIJ is doing great on merch sales, but to suggest that because Naito finished just ahead of Tana both years so he should be so much more over doesn't make sense. This also isn't to suggest that Tana should be miles ahead either. Him, Okada, and Naito go 89, 88, 88 in pop in the current data, so you are essentially choosing your hill to die on about a guy being 1 pop point below the most over guy in Japan.

EDIT: Also, this release was the one where I RAISED Naito to be even with the other 2 in pop as I agree that he should be top 3 draw in Japan

EDIT 2: As I’ve mentioned many times in this thread, AJPW and Sendai Girls are the two promotions I watch the most

The attendance numbers here is something that actually proves my point. If you were to run an event with WWE in the data inside of Osaka, it wouldn't draw only 3,500 it'd draw twice that so the popularity is evidently wrong. In the heavily commerical tokyo, it is completely understandable that WWE draw a decent crowd due to the rarity of their hosted shows, especially when advertising Shinsuke Nakamura for the event (and then not having him actually appear lol). The rareness playing a factor is evident when WWE don't even draw anyhere near those numbers in USA standard live events or even for RAW a lot recently.

Also I'm not putting too much stock into the poll. It's literally a reflection of who the Japanese public think of and like the most, aka who is the most popular. Yes, some are sort of joke entries but Jiro and Andreza are still very over, they wouldn't recieve so many votes otherwise. The fact that less than a dozen WWE wrestlers appear on the list and all that do spent significant time in Japan is in my opinion a pretty justified reason for me to say "Why is Roman Reigns at 80 popularity in Japan whilst Sanada is at 53? or why is The Miz more over than Kento Miyahara?".

I'm not trying to be mean with this btw. It's just the most unbalanced region in the data atm which is a shame because it's the second most important region in wrestling. Everywhere else has it's little problems but is for the most part great and both Fleisch and hitmen have done great jobs. Just Japan is the one that's most blaringly incorrect right now.

YoungNoble · February 11, 2019

I would suggest changing MLW to a TV oriented product and making all of their events dormant. Their "events" are really just TV tapings and are not broadcast in their entirety. I would also delete their Broadcasting contracts for events, but leave their TV contracts with BeIn Sports & YouTube. Also, YouTube will not allow any matches with a content risk of higher than "very low" which is not consistent with MLW's product requirements. I would consider changing the Risk Settings for YouTube.

Teh_Showtime · February 11, 2019

On the Japan side I wouldn’t use polls exclusively for popularity. People like Ikemen regularly outrank NJPW legends like Tenzan, Kojima, and Liger.

I don’t think that means the logic is wrong, but the polls shouldn’t be used for that reason. Naito is clearly the biggest draw in the nation, but is a guy who works W1 and can barely fill Korauken, more over than those names?

alpha2117 · February 11, 2019

The problems with polls is that it's only capturing the Hardcore fans opinions. So someone with a cult following amongst the hardcore fans gets a higher rating that the true popularity amongst the general wrestling public.

For instance if they did a poll on Womens wrestlers would people like Meiko, Madison, Cheerleader Melissa get votes - of course they would we all know those women are brilliant in ring but the general wrestling public wouldn't know that because most don't follow Joshi feds or Shimmer so they wouldn't realise that many of the best women have barely ever appeared on TV in the US.

MainOffender · February 11, 2019

First time I've played a current-day mod in years (the allure of running AEW from the jump was too much) and I really like the way this is balanced. The scaling of popularity and psychology in particular make running a US indie appropriately challenging. Great job with this!

I do have a couple tweaks/suggestions/thoughts. These are all changes that I made to my own game before starting my run and maybe they'll be helpful to you guys when you consider updates. Also, as a reminder to some other posters in the thread... if you don't like the way something is set up in a mod, you can always change it yourself! <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/eek.png.0e09df00fa222c85760b9bc1700b5405.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

-Juice Robinson was born in 89, not 86.

-The popularity for NXT women could use some attention. A few with national exposure (Lacey, Bianca) are set to only have pop in the South East. I increased them so they're in the high 20s, using Mia Yim's pop as a guide.

-Guys like Dream having low pop have already been mentioned, so I won't harp on that. I did increase a handful of NXT guys because I'm a stan and believe Dream, Black, and Gargano could walk out of NXT and headline indies.

-ROH and TNA are set up with a PPV deal with In Demand, but they don't have the popularity to maintain this. (AEW also can't get a deal with them right away, which they should be able to.) I think there could be a larger conversation about how modern PPV is rated -- the barrier for entry isn't as high as it was in the 90s and the coverage is significantly lower -- but, uh, that would never be a priority for me if I was a modder and I'm not sure what effects those changes would have. So anyway! I adjusted In Demand to Regional/40 pop/9 areas and decreased its viewership to Medium across the board. I think that should allow for better growth and accuracy in the American indies.

-I imported the default data's region settings then tweaked them - Tri State (100); South West and Mid South (95); Great Lakes, New England, South East (90); Mid Atlantic, Mid West, North West (85); Puerto Rico (80) and Hawaii (70). I'm anal but didn't like all the US being 90 importance.

-I nudged WWE's US popularity until they were a couple points into International. This didn't result in them going on a signing spree to start the game. I think it better reflects their present reach while fudging their US pop a bit. (International status shouldn't be tied to such high home growth but what can ya do.)

-I tweaked WWE's product so that Modern is at medium. This gets rid of the "Aerial is less effective" note, which I don't think is accurate for current day WWE.

-And finally, the most subjective one of them all. I made some tweaks to AEW's product. I don't think they're going to be a company that values performance "much more" than popularity. That puts them in New Japan territory where I see them as being basically a splashier ROH. Here's what I went with:

Key: Modern

Heavy: Realism, Mainstream (they're definitely running stories/gimmicks, so they gotta have that mainstream)

Medium: Traditional (I know Cody has said a lot about traditional promotions being inspiration, but in game terms I think a lower level is necessary)

Low: Comedy, Cult, Lucha Libre, Daredevil

That gives me shows rated more on performance than popularity, a nerf on hardcore skills, gimmicks/stories, a Steal the Show requirement, a Storytelling requirement, no high risk angles (sorry Joey Ryan), and a 40/60 intensity/danger level. I'm pretty happy with the results I'm getting so far.

Hope some of this was helpful. Thanks again for the hard work!

TheWho87 · February 11, 2019

<a href="https://twitter.com/WWEPC/status/1095035554306183173" rel="external nofollow">WWE Performance centre announce their new signings (Twitter)</a>

- ACH

- Elliot Sexton

- Jonah Rock

- Karen Q

- Nick Comoroto

- Omari Palmer

- Rachael Ellering

- Ricardo Miller

- Samuel Shaw

- Scott Parker

- Shane Matthews

- Trevor Lee

Questlove · February 11, 2019

SPOILER:

Jay White beat Tanahashi for the IWGP Heavyweight title. Deserves some boosts to his skills imo and a significant one for popularity

southside_hitmen · February 11, 2019

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rainmaker" data-cite="Rainmaker" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45652" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The attendance numbers here is something that actually proves my point. If you were to run an event with WWE in the data inside of Osaka, it wouldn't draw only 3,500 it'd draw twice that so the popularity is evidently wrong. In the heavily commerical tokyo, it is completely understandable that WWE draw a decent crowd due to the rarity of their hosted shows, especially when advertising Shinsuke Nakamura for the event (and then not having him actually appear lol). The rareness playing a factor is evident when WWE don't even draw anyhere near those numbers in USA standard live events or even for RAW a lot recently.</div></blockquote> It really doesn't though. Pop doesn't scale 1-1 with real life attendance numbers in the game. No one should go into this expecting "real" attendance numbers at shows as the game engine for pop is not scaled that way. Like Fleisch mentioned, there are certain levels a company needs to be at to maintain a certain size. What's important is where it fits compared to the other companies in the game region in regards to pop. WWE had the biggest shows of any company not named NJPW in Tokyo (on back to back nights) and also the biggest non-NJPW show in Osaka as well for all of 2018. WWE's pop is the 2nd highest in Japan right now (65 - 5 points higher than DDT/DG) and I'm absolutely open to walking them back to somewhere just at or below those other two. I'm not open to pushing them back much farther than that though as it's going to throw off scaling in other areas. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rainmaker" data-cite="Rainmaker" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45652" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Also I'm not putting too much stock into the poll. It's literally a reflection of who the Japanese public think of and like the most, aka who is the most popular. Yes, some are sort of joke entries but Jiro and Andreza are still very over, they wouldn't recieve so many votes otherwise. The fact that less than a dozen WWE wrestlers appear on the list and all that do spent significant time in Japan is in my opinion a pretty justified reason for me to say "Why is Roman Reigns at 80 popularity in Japan whilst Sanada is at 53? or why is The Miz more over than Kento Miyahara?". I'm not trying to be mean with this btw. It's just the most unbalanced region in the data atm which is a shame because it's the second most important region in wrestling. Everywhere else has it's little problems but is for the most part great and both Fleisch and hitmen have done great jobs. Just Japan is the one that's most blaringly incorrect right now.</div></blockquote> Pop is not how many people know this person exists as represented by the game engine. Pop is drawing power and card position. This is not my personal opinion, it comes right from Derek_B's mod-making guide. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45652" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The most important thing is to avoid confusing recognisability with popularity</div></blockquote> A fan poll is A data point to gauge the above, but it should not be the ONLY data point you consider. Again, it would be madness to consider Ikemen as the 6th most over person in Japan if we are just going off the list. Jiro isn't drawing people to K-Hall like someone like Kento does, but ranks 20 spots higher on the fan poll. You should also look at where people rank on their card (how many Dominion/WK's has Naito main evented compared to those other two? When Naito is headlining does the show do 15% more fans?) I'm not debating that Naito is a huge draw (Which is why I raised him to be within 1 point of Tana and the same level as Okada this release). I'm pointing out that just because he wins a fan poll and moves merch he shouldn't automatically be WAY higher than Tana/Okada without looking at other factors. He's got top 3 pop in Japan, should prob have great momentum and a great gimmick to reflect how "hot" LIJ is right now. --- I do these releases because: 1) I didn't want Fleisch's awesome mod to ride off in to the sunset after he felt burnt out dealing with many of the issues like above and 2) I enjoy doing them for the community Neither of the above are true after the interactions in this thread the last couple of days. I have no desire to try and rush something out the door for Friday just so people can rip it apart. I'll happily pass along the additional edits I've made to Fleisch since last Friday, but I likely won't be releasing another update anytime soon. I may pick it back up at a later date. To those that posted thank you's and suggested changes, I really do appreciate it. Thanks for your help. In the meantime, feel free to make like Gargano & Ciampa and #DIY instead

rhyblack · February 11, 2019

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="JMike" data-cite="JMike" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45652" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>- AEW should have non aggression pacts with NJPW and ROH. Maybe hostility with Impact?</div></blockquote> What would warrant a Hostility relationship with Impact? Esspecially when they've taken more talent from ROH and NJPW than Impact even has lol

Darkestearth · February 11, 2019

Just want to say great mod, the detail in this can be seen by anybody and as you are teaming up with my favourite pic pack too. This truly is brilliant and find it amazing that you not only update after release but release every three months.

As someone that has created mods for myself in the past, I know how tedious and minuet every detail and change can be and this is by far the best I have tried. Great work!

UPDATE: Only just seen the response by some of you, do you really think acting the way you have is the right way to go about things? If you don't like something in the mod, change it yourself! Don't wait for someone else to create a mod and then bitch about what they have done, you look like ungrateful nobs...

HRTVAndrew · February 11, 2019

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Darkestearth" data-cite="Darkestearth" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45652" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>UPDATE: Only just seen the response by some of you, do you really think acting the way you have is the right way to go about things? If you don't like something in the mod, change it yourself! Don't wait for someone else to create a mod and then bitch about what they have done, you look like ungrateful nobs...</div></blockquote> This, this, this, ALL of this. Admittedly, I'm biased, because southside is a friend of mine, but I feel it's responsible to point out that, should you want to edit parts of the mod to reflect your own personal tastes, the "editor" button is very easy to access. Choosing to instead sit back and throw stones at someone who's devoting lots of time and energy, for no reward other than the enjoyment of the community, is an incredibly bad look.

TheCed · February 11, 2019

If you got enough people helping you, would you consider making this a monthly updated mod?

Rainmaker · February 11, 2019

Did you really just quit the mod because I gave a minor critique on one part and praised you on every other aspect of it? I even said you did a great job on every region and aspect with Japan just being the most unbalanced. Also I have fixed the mod in the editor myself. I just gave suggestions so not everyone would have to do that. As you are the guy who controls the release of the data, I would give these suggestions to you? Apologies if this somehow ruined it for you but feedback always entails negative aspects as well as positive. The positive outways the negative here btw. In case you missed it: <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rainmaker" data-cite="Rainmaker" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45652" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm not trying to be mean with this btw. It's just the most unbalanced region in the data atm which is a shame because it's the second most important region in wrestling. Everywhere else has it's little problems but is for the most part great and both Fleisch and hitmen have done great jobs. Just Japan is the one that's most blaringly incorrect right now.</div></blockquote> (This will be the last I say on this btw, I don't want to clog the thread and neither should any of us)

Fleisch · February 11, 2019

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TheCed" data-cite="TheCed" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45652" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If you got enough people helping you, would you consider making this a monthly updated mod?</div></blockquote> I cant speak for Southside, but I released this monthly for a few years and 2 days after release I'd have to start updating again to make sure I could get the mod out on time for the next month. It was exhausting and killed any motivation I had which saw the effort I was putting in start to decline. Teams working on mods very rarely work due to opinions differing on certain aspects and you can end up with a really disjointed mod. Plus you then have to either; A - Work around each other's schedules to pass the mod around or B - You need someone to pull everyone's work together into 1 mod from their various databases and try to balance everything (an absolute nightmare). That is not to say if someone wanted to do an "unofficial" monthly update using it, I wouldn't say they couldn't so long as they used the read me file that contains thanks to all those who have helped in the past/present. I will take this back for an April release and then we shall see what happens after that. I'd like to say a massive Thank You to Southside_Hitmen and all those who have helped with feedback etc... because if S_H had not taken it over, RWC would no longer be around. I look forward to collaborating on a data set we can be proud of in the future because I cannot even tell you how much this mod has improved due to Southside_Hitmen and Dr. Avalanches input, especially the joshi scene that I'd neglected for so long.

southside_hitmen · February 11, 2019

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45652" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I cant speak for Southside, but I released this monthly for a few years and 2 days after release I'd have to start updating again to make sure I could get the mod out on time for the next month. It was exhausting and killed any motivation I had which saw the effort I was putting in start to decline. Teams working on mods very rarely work due to opinions differing on certain aspects and you can end up with a really disjointed mod. Plus you then have to either; A - Work around each other's schedules to pass the mod around or B - You need someone to pull everyone's work together into 1 mod from their various databases and try to balance everything (an absolute nightmare). That is not to say if someone wanted to do an "unofficial" monthly update using it, I wouldn't say they couldn't so long as they used the read me file that contains thanks to all those who have helped in the past/present. I will take this back for an April release and then we shall see what happens after that. I'd like to say a massive Thank You to Southside_Hitmen and all those who have helped with feedback etc... because if S_H had not taken it over, RWC would no longer be around. I look forward to collaborating on a data set we can be proud of in the future because I cannot even tell you how much this mod has improved due to Southside_Hitmen and Dr. Avalanches input, especially the joshi scene that I'd neglected for so long.</div></blockquote> Thanks for the kind words Fleisch. It goes without saying that the basis for this mod would not be there without you're work, so I'm appreciative for letting me carry the ball for a bit. I'm not "quitting the mod" I'm just not rushing anything out by Friday. I'll do what I did for the previous couple releases for Fleisch and go through what I would like to with a fine-tooth comb and suggesting edits. You can consider the release from last Friday as the one for February. I'll continue plugging away with edits until flashpoint is out from Fleisch and then Fleisch can take it from there for April.

Big Roguey · February 12, 2019

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Darkestearth" data-cite="Darkestearth" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45652" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> UPDATE: Only just seen the response by some of you, do you really think acting the way you have is the right way to go about things? If you don't like something in the mod, change it yourself! Don't wait for someone else to create a mod and then bitch about what they have done, you look like ungrateful nobs...</div></blockquote> Hello. I'm going to use the above as an example exercise. A lot of the discussion on the last few pages has been fairly civil as far as discourse goes on the internet. Posts like the quoted however don't help anyone and break one of the few rules we have (these rules can be viewed on the stickied rules thread). Keep the discussion civil, anything further should be taken to PMs.

AydenReid · February 12, 2019

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