[C-Verse] What companies SHOULD have a Women's Division?

Matt_Black · August 6, 2018

Obviously, there are a few companies that don't have women's divisions but have belts made up in case someone decides to do so. But what other companies could benefit, with the Generic Belt if nothing else (hey, it works for OLLIE)?

Obviously, you need an owner who's cool with it (unless you play as the owner yourself). So far, I've noticed that El Bandido of EMLL, Sam Keith of MAW, and whoever owns WLW (I forget his name) are cool with it, whereas Puerto Rican Power of FCW, Gil Thorpe of IPW, and Alex DeColt of CGC are opposed (that last one is a puzzler; why on Earth do you have a Golden Girls belt lying around Alex? WHY?!?). I dimly recall that Mitch Naess is okay with women's wrestling, too, but I'm not positive off-hand.

Poet Justice · August 6, 2018

Japan is notoriously segregated when it comes to gendered wrestling. The closest thing they have is inter gender matches which are usually for novelty and not long term product programs.

FCW would be cool as an integrated promotion. They remind me a lot of LU (PRP is basically real life Mil Muertes). SWF obviously given that they’re the oldest major US promotion. CZCW also should have one given their history with Jaime Rodriguez, although small promotions like Coastal Zone tend to experiment and scrap plenty of plans.

Internationally, definitely RAW. A divas era roster of Kelly Kelly’s and Torre Wilson’s would make sense given their product. 21CW for similar reasons, given how big their roster is and how much of a cluster of random talent is on their roster. I don’t know anything about the Euro CVerse outside of Konrad Malken. And Pavel being awesome

Hashasheen · August 6, 2018

I'd actually say that CZCW should be integrated, rather than have a women's division. They're all about experimental high-flying wrestling, and having a roster comprised heavily of cruiserweights means that women wrestlers wouldn't be at too big of a mismatch visually. I mean, Jake Idol is the biggest wrestler on the default roster at Light Heavyweight, followed by two Middleweights. Wouldn't surprise me if Cherry Bomb and Joanne Rodriguez were wrestling dudes in between wrestling each other.

Jon The GOAT · August 6, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hashasheen" data-cite="Hashasheen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45700" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'd actually say that CZCW should be integrated, rather than have a women's division. They're all about experimental high-flying wrestling, and having a roster comprised heavily of cruiserweights means that women wrestlers wouldn't be at too big of a mismatch visually. I mean, Jake Idol is the biggest wrestler on the default roster at Light Heavyweight, followed by two Middleweights. Wouldn't surprise me if Cherry Bomb and Joanne Rodriguez were wrestling dudes in between wrestling each other.</div></blockquote> Wholeheartedly agree with this. Ran a CZCW '97 file and first thing I did was bring in Catherine Quine for her relationship with Alex Braun and had them team which made 100% sense to me and I thought fell right in with my image of CZCW.

Blackman · August 6, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hashasheen" data-cite="Hashasheen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45700" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'd actually say that CZCW should be integrated, rather than have a women's division.</div></blockquote> I actually thought that was canon until I say this game's data. Call me mad but I read once that J-Ro was there in the '90s alongside Miss Mexico and some others. I alway put CZCW on integrated in the CV97 database and liking the results. If they don't break up within months of your game (it happens) the Braun-Cat-connection should definitely be exploited. As for the original question: I always figured TCW would be the one to create the women's division first but I turned out to be USPW for logical reasons.

KnowYourEnemy · August 7, 2018

As for the original question: I always figured TCW would be the one to create the women's division first but I turned out to be USPW for logical reasons.

I agree with this. In the next game, I hope they do. USPW and TCW both need to move on after the ownership change. This takes a few years to fully do, but by the time the next game comes out (19?), it should happen.

I think Alicia deserves to have a higher profile in the wrestling world. With her mentor the new owner in 5SSW, she has stronger ties to 5SSW than to USPW, and could eventually take the reigns from her mentor.

Since the USPW Women's Division was [in-canon] built for and around Alicia Strong, after her departure there isn't a reason for it to exist. Many established members are close to or nearing retirement.

Many old stalwarts, like Jillefski and Champion, stayed with the company after the ownership change.

TCW kept largely the same wrestlers and staff. Wolf Hawkins, his protege, is still with the company, and many key players are still intact. Tommy rebranded the company. Now with him gone, it makes sense to revert back to the original name and logo.

KnowYourEnemy · August 7, 2018

I'd actually say that CZCW should be integrated, rather than have a women's division. They're all about experimental high-flying wrestling, and having a roster comprised heavily of cruiserweights means that women wrestlers wouldn't be at too big of a mismatch visually. I mean, Jake Idol is the biggest wrestler on the default roster at Light Heavyweight, followed by two Middleweights. Wouldn't surprise me if Cherry Bomb and Joanne Rodriguez were wrestling dudes in between wrestling each other.

I think the COTT would benefit from either adding an intergender championship or making the COTT World Heavyweight belt an intergender title. Four of the five promotions have solid reasons to feature women wrestlers in some capacity.

Many have mentioned CZCW, but OLLIE has already had a sanctioned intergender match in the data when Pinky Perez beat Amo del Gato for the Campeon de Mexico. There is precedent within the COTT for intergender promotions.

4C is in a similar position to CZCW. I think 4C loses talent much faster than CZCW, and their dojo graduates are less capable than those in CZCW. Becoming an intergender promotion allows 4C to access a much wider talent pool than before.

MAW, where the focus is on producing talent and not on making money, would benefit from either becoming intergender or adding a Women's Division. Many MAW Talents already go to NOTBPW, which has the [arguably] the strongest women's division among the major promotions, so it makes sense for MAW to also feature women's wrestling.

I think NYCW would be the only promotion where intergender or a women's division would feel out of place.

Hashasheen · August 7, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="KnowYourEnemy" data-cite="KnowYourEnemy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45700" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I agree with this. In the next game, I hope they do. USPW and TCW both need to move on after the ownership change. This takes a few years to fully do, but by the time the next game comes out (19?), it should happen. I think Alicia deserves to have a higher profile in the wrestling world. With her mentor the new owner in 5SSW, she has stronger ties to 5SSW than to USPW, and could eventually take the reigns from her mentor. Since the USPW Women's Division was [in-canon] built for and around Alicia Strong, after her departure there isn't a reason for it to exist. Many established members are close to or nearing retirement. Many old stalwarts, like Jillefski and Champion, stayed with the company after the ownership change. TCW kept largely the same wrestlers and staff. Wolf Hawkins, his protege, is still with the company, and many key players are still intact. Tommy rebranded the company. Now with him gone, it makes sense to revert back to the original name and logo.</div></blockquote> I was of two thoughts regarding women's wrestling in TCW and USPW. For HGC, it makes sense to have a women's division... if women's wrestling in CVERSE was as big as IRL was in the 80s and 90s. Stallings was a smart mark who threw everything into the company. Only problem is there is no AJW expy in CVERSE, 5SSW doesn't come close. So him being a joshi mark doesn't quite pan out. For TCW, a women's division has potential... especially if as a replacement for the various failed high-flying divisions, who could get folded into the general men's scene. I usually move TCW to the Mid-South under Ricky Dale Johnson though, so that's encroaching on QAW territory to do that. <img alt=":o" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/redface.png.900245280682ef18c5d82399a93c5827.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> For USPW... I once thought USPW might transition into being a purely women's company, given that the women's division used to have the best wrestlers for several games and Alicia was the most useful wrestler for a long time. Now that USPW has sold though, I wonder if the reverse isn't what should happen, and whether or not Alicia Strong should make her career elsewhere. I used to think a jump to QAW and making QAW cult was the ticket, but now I'm of the mindset that Strong should "come home" to the SWF, replacing their anemic Shooting Star Division. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="KnowYourEnemy" data-cite="KnowYourEnemy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45700" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think the COTT would benefit from either adding an intergender championship or making the COTT World Heavyweight belt an intergender title. Four of the five promotions have solid reasons to feature women wrestlers in some capacity. Many have mentioned CZCW, but OLLIE has already had a sanctioned intergender match in the data when Pinky Perez beat Amo del Gato for the Campeon de Mexico. There is precedent within the COTT for intergender promotions. 4C is in a similar position to CZCW. I think 4C loses talent much faster than CZCW, and their dojo graduates are less capable than those in CZCW. Becoming an intergender promotion allows 4C to access a much wider talent pool than before. MAW, where the focus is on producing talent and not on making money, would benefit from either becoming intergender or adding a Women's Division. Many MAW Talents already go to NOTBPW, which has the [arguably] the strongest women's division among the major promotions, so it makes sense for MAW to also feature women's wrestling. I think NYCW would be the only promotion where intergender or a women's division would feel out of place.</div></blockquote> Adding more intergender wrestling to 4C and OLLIE makes sense. I'm not sure MAW has the capacity to take on women's wrestling as well given that they're supposed to be light-spending and traditional in lore. Not to the degree of NYCW, but enough that it would be noticeable to make that shift. I'm actually surprised that PSW didn't pick up BSC girls after they shut down, come to think of it. Or that GSW hasn't tried to have a catfight division. I know someone suggested SNP have something of that sort at one point.

Historian · August 7, 2018

I think 4C and GSW are ripe for having women's divisions. I don't think MAW has the financial capabilities of adding a legit women's division, I don't think it suits NYCW's product or would make since in FCW.

I almost always create a women's company that's based in Mexico so that the women there have a company specifically for them -- even though they work in OLLIE and CILL

Teh_Showtime · August 7, 2018

The amount of extremely talented women in the C-Verse post BSC (even if not having it in-ring) has always struck me as a reason for SWF to add a division. There has always been a strong follow the leader attitude in US wrestling, and USPW has a thriving division.

SWF probably wouldn't make it nearly as serious and mostly eye candy (which makes total sense for their late 90s WWF product). The Neptune twins (among others) are so young but with a decent bit of skill that could definitely be salvaged and thrive in that environment.

By nature of being a giant company they could also be attractive to the best (in ring) women in the world as well. Sara Marie York, or J-Ro would be excellent picks in that manner as well since it looks like USPW is keeping them at arms length.

Or you could even go the opposite way, Alicia leaves USPW for SWF which has them start their own division, and USPW could move into the eye candy role as well. Due to the lack of their top star and everyone else being very old, it makes perfect sense to rebuild with fresh young faces.

Historian · August 7, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45700" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The amount of extremely talented women in the C-Verse post BSC (even if not having it in-ring) has always struck me as a reason for SWF to add a division. There has always been a strong follow the leader attitude in US wrestling, and USPW has a thriving division. SWF probably wouldn't make it nearly as serious and mostly eye candy (which makes total sense for their late 90s WWF product). The Neptune twins (among others) are so young but with a decent bit of skill that could definitely be salvaged and thrive in that environment. By nature of being a giant company they could also be attractive to the best (in ring) women in the world as well. Sara Marie York, or J-Ro would be excellent picks in that manner as well since it looks like USPW is keeping them at arms length. Or you could even go the opposite way, Alicia leaves USPW for SWF which has them start their own division, and USPW could move into the eye candy role as well. Due to the lack of their top star and everyone else being very old, it makes perfect sense to rebuild with fresh young faces.</div></blockquote> That's a really interesting concept. I like where your head is at! I could really see that happening too.

KnowYourEnemy · August 7, 2018

I was of two thoughts regarding women's wrestling in TCW and USPW.

For HGC, it makes sense to have a women's division... if women's wrestling in CVERSE was as big as IRL was in the 80s and 90s. Stallings was a smart mark who threw everything into the company. Only problem is there is no AJW expy in CVERSE, 5SSW doesn't come close. So him being a joshi mark doesn't quite pan out. For TCW, a women's division has potential... especially if as a replacement for the various failed high-flying divisions, who could get folded into the general men's scene. I usually move TCW to the Mid-South under Ricky Dale Johnson though, so that's encroaching on QAW territory to do that.

For USPW... I once thought USPW might transition into being a purely women's company, given that the women's division used to have the best wrestlers for several games and Alicia was the most useful wrestler for a long time.

Now that USPW has sold though, I wonder if the reverse isn't what should happen, and whether or not Alicia Strong should make her career elsewhere. I used to think a jump to QAW and making QAW cult was the ticket, but now I'm of the mindset that Strong should "come home" to the SWF, replacing their anemic Shooting Star Division.

I think her skill and connections will make her a star in 5SSW, and it makes sense from a narrative standpoint. It also makes sense that Strong will at some point inherit the company from her mentor, which "makes up" for her not being able to inherit her own father's company after retirement. She could also inject money from the USPW sale into her company down the road.

Strong could use the money from the sale to start her own touring company in Japan (or elsewhere). Bruce the Giant was very close with her father, Sam Strong, so she has a foothold in Austrailia. The company could have a working agreement with 5SSW and/or be the destination where many 5SSW young lions go on excursion. There are many sources for the roster: the ZEN dojo trains female wrestlers, and they could "pick up experience" in the company, the company could train young talent on excursion from 5SSW and the company could take in low-level female independent talent not notable enough to make the database. This, combined with a couple Australian wrestlers already in the U.S., would be more than enough for a small company.

I'm actually surprised that PSW didn't pick up BSC girls after they shut down, come to think of it. Or that GSW hasn't tried to have a catfight division. I know someone suggested SNP have something of that sort at one point.

ACPW should adopt an integrated roster. Their owner wants to create a certain kind of wrestling, and female talent in the independents far outpaces their male counterparts. It's in his best interest to integrate the roster at some point.

Adding more intergender wrestling to 4C and OLLIE makes sense. I'm not sure MAW has the capacity to take on women's wrestling as well given that they're supposed to be light-spending and traditional in lore. Not to the degree of NYCW, but enough that it would be noticeable to make that shift.

Intergender or women's wrestling makes because MAW pinches pennies. In the CornellVerse, there are few large companies where female wrestlers work. Female quality talent, as a whole, costs much less than male talent, and you have access to major stars. Plus, a female star is much less likely to get poached than a male one. Since small companies run in only a few areas, once built up, their overall pay probably won't increase very much. An intergender company therefore makes more sense than one that isn't intergender. This keeps the roster minimum from expanding in size.

This is why, in Road To Glory, most companies have intergender rosters.

A women's division makes a lot of sense. A CPU player in the past with a small company will make less money due with a larger roster when running only a single show with the best stars. This changed in TEW 2016 because workers no longer get downsides, so they carry no additional cost signing an extra talent.

Small companies benefit from a large roster. Human players often run multiple shows a month, they can headline a show cheaper with less expensive talent. In TEW, the main event accounts for over half the match grade, so Human players only need to worry about one match on the card. Since Female wrestlers give you better value, two wrestlers can headline a show for MAW much cheaper.

Poet Justice · August 8, 2018

Japanese promotions are notorious for being solo gender but I think another promotion (either existing or new) should be added in Japan for balancing 5SSW, given how easily they corner the market without a user player controlling a promotion that uses female talent. AAA and QAW are balanced by NOTBPW and USPW, maybe a direct competitor?

Also, I was thinking maybe a women’s division in SNP akin to Babes of Sin City, especially given that they are canon next to a strip club. Although half the female workers they would sign would walk out of the company by the time you hit 2017 due to harassment from Mark Carnie

KnowYourEnemy · August 8, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Poet Justice" data-cite="Poet Justice" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45700" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Japanese promotions are notorious for being solo gender but I think another promotion (either existing or new) should be added in Japan for balancing 5SSW, given how easily they corner the market without a user player controlling a promotion that uses female talent. AAA and QAW are balanced by NOTBPW and USPW, maybe a direct competitor?</div></blockquote> Japan needs to be balanced between touring and non-touring promotions. In the data, a second Japanese Women's Promotion is set to open at some time, WINNOW. WINNOW could provide the touring alternative in future editions to the non-touring 5SSW. There is a good chance WINNOW ends up in a future game edition. Unlike many other companies set to open, WINNOW already has title belt pictures within the default set. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Cornellverse Data" data-cite="Cornellverse Data" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45700" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>WINNOW: Japanese Women's Wrestling is a company created by investors who saw how much success and money 5SSW made when they basically had an entire section of the wrestling market all to themselves. WINNOW's selling point is its fast-paced action, as it allows the female athletes to fight in the junior heavyweight style made famous by BHOTWG, with no limits applied. They are also openly committed to developing young talent into the future superstars of the business.</div></blockquote> Given the description, the promotion could utilize the new CEO owner mechanics, with the company possibly being owned by a TV or PPV provider. This provides more options within the default database. Similarly, there needs to be a touring alternative to the non-touring WLW in the Modern Japan Movement. I think EX2010 should split from the MJM and resume a touring schedule. I think it was a poor move to include them because they are similar to and have lost talent/get poached by WLW. I've run an ECW-style betrayal, with the EX2010 leaving the company in a shoot after a cross-promotional EX2010 Junior Heavyweight Grand Prix show.

Historian · August 8, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="KnowYourEnemy" data-cite="KnowYourEnemy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45700" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think her skill and connections will make her a star in 5SSW, and it makes sense from a narrative standpoint. It also makes sense that Strong will at some point inherit the company from her mentor, which "makes up" for her not being able to inherit her own father's company after retirement. She could also inject money from the USPW sale into her company down the road. Strong could use the money from the sale to start her own touring company in Japan (or elsewhere). Bruce the Giant was very close with her father, Sam Strong, so she has a foothold in Austrailia. The company could have a working agreement with 5SSW and/or be the destination where many 5SSW young lions go on excursion. There are many sources for the roster: the ZEN dojo trains female wrestlers, and they could "pick up experience" in the company, the company could train young talent on excursion from 5SSW and the company could take in low-level female independent talent not notable enough to make the database. This, combined with a couple Australian wrestlers already in the U.S., would be more than enough for a small company. </div></blockquote> I would absolutely LOVE to see Alicia Strong leave USPW and start her own wrestling company that runs in Australia and is in league with 5SWW. On a side note, I would love for the women's companies of the world to be in an alliance with each other. In my TEW '16 database, I have one that have a women's alliance created (as well as a promotion based in Mexico), because I really want more places for the women to work and to me it makes sense for the women's companies to be in league with each other. I think a touring woman's company based in Australia that gives international workers a place to go, plus gives local talent a full-time promotion (and leads to the inclusion of more female workers) and I'm a fan.

Poet Justice · August 8, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="KnowYourEnemy" data-cite="KnowYourEnemy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45700" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Japan needs to be balanced between touring and non-touring promotions. In the data, a second Japanese Women's Promotion is set to open at some time, WINNOW. WINNOW could provide the touring alternative in future editions to the non-touring 5SSW. There is a good chance WINNOW ends up in a future game edition. Unlike many other companies set to open, WINNOW already has title belt pictures within the default set. Given the description, the promotion could utilize the new CEO owner mechanics, with the company possibly being owned by a TV or PPV provider. This provides more options within the default database. Similarly, there needs to be a touring alternative to the non-touring WLW in the Modern Japan Movement. I think EX2010 should split from the MJM and resume a touring schedule. I think it was a poor move to include them because they are similar to and have lost talent/get poached by WLW. I've run an ECW-style betrayal, with the EX2010 leaving the company in a shoot after a cross-promotional EX2010 Junior Heavyweight Grand Prix show.</div></blockquote> WINNOW sounds like a good balancing idea. I think Thunder Hike is unsigned out of the trio of 5SSW legends so she seems like the obvious owner. There does need some serious balancing for touring companies. BCG goes out of business really early despite having the best work rate out of the minor promotions. For a company with no downside on their contracts that’s rough. Same with PGHW, although part of it is that they start with the same money as GCG. EX2010 seems like a total financial endeavor so I don’t see them flipping to a touring schedule but maybe SAISHO?

KnowYourEnemy · August 8, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Poet Justice" data-cite="Poet Justice" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45700" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>WINNOW sounds like a good balancing idea. I think Thunder Hike is unsigned out of the trio of 5SSW legends so she seems like the obvious owner. There does need some serious balancing for touring companies. BCG goes out of business really early despite having the best work rate out of the minor promotions. For a company with no downside on their contracts that’s rough. Same with PGHW, although part of it is that they start with the same money as GCG. EX2010 seems like a total financial endeavor so I don’t see them flipping to a touring schedule but maybe SAISHO?</div></blockquote> I'd say given their size, a touring schedule would let them gain popularity faster. I'm not entirely sure how the touring schedule works, but running two+ shows per week probably gets you more popularity than just one show per month. I want to say with a wealthy company, a touring promotion would get more dates, so ideally they'd be running three or four day per week tours. EX2010 starts a ways off from getting television or PPV. I'm fairly certain that touring companies can choose to run a TV Show that isn't just touring highlights -- so they can still use the touring schedule while taking advantage of a non-touring schedule when they do.

KnowYourEnemy · August 8, 2018

When discussing COTT, it's important to note that several companies are set in the data to join upon opening. Since these companies are already tied to a real world event, it makes logical sense they are more likely to start open in a future edition.

One of the companies, CWWF, is an all-women's wrestling federation from Canada. The other two companies, Quebec Pro Wrestling and Rocky Mountain Wrestling, are very similar to NYCW and RAW: traditional, old-school wrestling companies.

CWWF in particular suggests that in the future the COTT will focus more on Women's Wrestling.

DarK_RaideR · August 12, 2018

On the subject of WINNOW, I had BHOTWG start their own all-womens promotion in a CVerse 97 game and it was a thing to behold. Japan is a land of opportunity for womens wrestling and given the loyalty mechanics, poaching from 5SSW and other companies should be limited.

Mexico is another untamed land of opportunity. Any promotion that can tap into the female talent before QAW expands south of the border is bound to do well.

Europe already has EWA and its womens division, which makes sense given their sports entertainment product. UEW is oldschool 'euroresu' like ROF was, but given VWA's varied product, I could see them using female talent if their budget can take it, lest they become the new UCR.

21CW could also use women inside the ring as they grow. SNP doesn't really make sense to me;even attitude era bra and panties matches needed a baseline wrestling skill and training to be safe. Randomly recruited strippers (who are bound for a short stay, because Carnie) are best kept for sexy dancing and eye candy at ringside.

Not that familiar with the Australian scene, maybe RAW could go there, but in-ring female talent is limited and trends favor a hardcore product there so not exactly favorable.

Smaller canadian promotions like ACPW or 4C make sense as intergender. Not that familiar with bigger fish like USPW, SWF, TCW or NOTBPW myself, but some smaller ones could give it a go. I can see CZCW mix it up Lucha Underground style, with strong females going toe to toe with men. GSW wouldn't make sense to me, they're kinda sexist in a very gangsta rap way, plus have a tendency to employ black and hispanic talent. Given their dislike towards masked luchadors, that leaves... Foxxy LaRue? Tho I'd love to see her team/feud with Fro Sure, come to think of it. A hair vs hair match is where it's at. MAW has a vibe of being a breeding ground for nee talent, so maybe women there, though they feel too much like an oldschool southern wrasslin' thing to me to pull the trigger (insert Debbie Desperado joke here). NYCW even more so.

BHK1978 · August 12, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hashasheen" data-cite="Hashasheen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45700" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'd actually say that CZCW should be integrated, rather than have a women's division. They're all about experimental high-flying wrestling, and having a roster comprised heavily of cruiserweights means that women wrestlers wouldn't be at too big of a mismatch visually. I mean, Jake Idol is the biggest wrestler on the default roster at Light Heavyweight, followed by two Middleweights. Wouldn't surprise me if Cherry Bomb and Joanne Rodriguez were wrestling dudes in between wrestling each other.</div></blockquote> I am not a fan of this at all. I hate seeing it in real life and would be opposed to seeing in the game as well. Mainly because even though it is fake, I hate seeing man on woman violence in any form. I also do not think it is very realistic. Once again yes we know it is fake but we as viewers still have to put blinders up and watch it as if it is real. Realistically not many women, if any, (Even the highly trained ones) would have a legitimate shot at beating a highly trained man in a fight. Sure there are exceptions to the rules. As far as the OP's question. I could totally see the SWF or even TCW having a Women's Division.

Jon The GOAT · August 12, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45700" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I am not a fan of this at all. I hate seeing it in real life and would be opposed to seeing in the game as well. Mainly because even though it is fake, I hate seeing man on woman violence in any form. I also do not think it is very realistic. Once again yes we know it is fake but we as viewers still have to put blinders up and watch it as if it is real. Realistically not many women, if any, (Even the highly trained ones) would have a legitimate shot at beating a highly trained man in a fight. Sure there are exceptions to the rules. As far as the OP's question. I could totally see the SWF or even TCW having a Women's Division.</div></blockquote> Not to derail the topic but this happens to me a lot when I say I run with women in an integrated promotion - people bring up the argument you bring up over there. It's not invalid at all... but most likely we've ALL heard this before and we're doing/saying it anyways. We're all aware of this take/position when we say we run an integrated promotion. It's a "it goes without saying" sort of thing, you really aren't telling people anything they don't already know. When people use that argument, the other person can either drag it into a senseless argument about realism in wrestling or do the very sensible thing that you should probably do at the start "well, that's cool. you be into what you're into and we'll be what we're into."

BHK1978 · August 13, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jon The GOAT" data-cite="Jon The GOAT" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45700" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>When people use that argument, the other person can either drag it into a senseless argument about realism in wrestling or do the very sensible thing that you should probably do at the start "well, that's cool. you be into what you're into and we'll be what we're into."</div></blockquote> Nice to see that you are looking out for me and telling me the sensible way of thinking. <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> I was not looking to start an argument when I posted what I posted.

Hashasheen · August 13, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45700" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I am not a fan of this at all. I hate seeing it in real life and would be opposed to seeing in the game as well. Mainly because even though it is fake, I hate seeing man on woman violence in any form. I also do not think it is very realistic. Once again yes we know it is fake but we as viewers still have to put blinders up and watch it as if it is real. Realistically not many women, if any, (Even the highly trained ones) would have a legitimate shot at beating a highly trained man in a fight. Sure there are exceptions to the rules.</div></blockquote> I think it works for something like CZCW, with their cruiserweight style product. For me, certain styles like cruiserweight or technical doesn't hit the "violence" barometer at all. CZCW is high-flying action, working with octane and at a speed the women should be able to match move for move. Alicia Strong could walk into CZCW the first show of the year and immediately be better than everyone in the company. She couldn't walk into GCG and do anything more than handle a young lion. Her versus Sozen Ishinomori would be a squash. The same goes for Viper McKenna, who I can see right there in an ROF ring, working a match against British Samurai with nothing but catch holds and rope breaks. Man on women violence is never a plancha or a 619. It's a punch to the face or a quick in the stomach. It's thumbtacks to the face of Candace LaRae, not a dropkick to the shoulder.

SoulKings · August 13, 2018

I always thought SWF would open a women's division in future game updates just based off the bio of Eve Runcord, who is a secret FBI agent, going to QAW and hoping to get noticed if SWF opens a division to "Stick it to USPW".

Also, TCW would be a good choice as Ive always seen them as a ROH type company and now they have one up and running.

Matt_Black · August 14, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45700" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Nice to see that you are looking out for me and telling me the sensible way of thinking. <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> I was not looking to start an argument when I posted what I posted.</div></blockquote> Even assuming you were sincere at not "concern trolling", have you expressed similar sentiments at the message boards of Marvel and DC? After all, Wonder Woman was chock full of woman on man violence! Anyway, back to the topic. I'm playing SOTBPW right now, and as usual, I'm trying to start up women's division. Of course, whenever I play any other company with female wrestlers, I'm glad they don't.

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