Neoteros Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Being a History major, I am a big fan of the grand strategy games released by a certain independent Swedish developer. Being a History major, I also have the bad habit of going on information binges about the history of almost every subject I come across. So, if one puts my fondness for simulation and strategy in video games and my obsessive compulsive research disorder together, the fact that I went from waging crusades for the Holy Land and wiping out entire Native American peoples from the face of the Earth to taking fallen giants from the depths of my country's association football league to the top of Europe and the world in yet another well known game should come as a surprise to absolutely no one. And when I heard about Total Extreme Wrestling 2016 through forums dedicated to the above mentioned simulation and strategy, well... even though it's been more than ten years since the last time I watched a show in its entirety - Eddie Guerrero's death was a huge blow for my then very young self, even though I was aware of professional's wrestling staged nature even back then - I couldn't not give it a try; after all, I may not be a huge fan of the squared circle, but even I know about the most well known athletes and events in the business and, most importantly, the possibility of making Vince McMahon go bankrupt is as appealing to me as the survival of Norse paganism in that other game I alluded to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnowYourEnemy Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Neoteros" data-cite="Neoteros" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45937" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Being a History major, I am a big fan of the grand strategy games released by a certain independent Swedish developer. Being a History major, I also have the bad habit of going on information binges about the history of almost every subject I come across.<p> </p><p> So, if one puts my fondness for simulation and strategy in video games and my obsessive compulsive research disorder together, the fact that I went from waging crusades for the Holy Land and wiping out entire Native American peoples from the face of the Earth to taking fallen giants from the depths of my country's association football league to the top of Europe and the world in yet another well known game should come as a surprise to absolutely no one.</p><p> </p><p> And when I heard about <em>Total Extreme Wrestling 2016</em> through forums dedicated to the above mentioned simulation and strategy, well... even though it's been more than ten years since the last time I watched a show in its entirety - Eddie Guerrero's death was a <strong>huge</strong> blow for my then very young self, even though I was aware of professional's wrestling staged nature even back then - I couldn't not give it a try; after all, I may not be a huge fan of the squared circle, but even I know about the most well known athletes and events in the business and, most importantly, the possibility of making Vince McMahon go bankrupt is as appealing to me as the survival of Norse paganism in that other game I alluded to.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Neteros -- As a fellow History student -- at the graduate level -- I'm very interested in this diary. Consider me aboard. </p><p> </p><p> Wrestling isn't the worst history to study. You need to have a professor with an open mind -- but throughout the 70s and 80s wrestlers had a huge impact on popular culture as a whole.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neoteros Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="KnowYourEnemy" data-cite="KnowYourEnemy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45937" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Neteros -- As a fellow History student -- at the graduate level -- I'm very interested in this diary. Consider me aboard. <p> </p><p> Wrestling isn't the worst history to study. You need to have a professor with an open mind -- but throughout the 70s and 80s wrestlers had a huge impact on popular culture as a whole.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> There's a website I'm a member of where they tried their hand at more than a few alternate histories of the "golden age" of wrestling that totally seem like something out of this website - my favourite was by far the one in which Hulk Hogan is injured not long before <em>The War to Settle the Score</em>. Vince McMahon is forced to let newcomer Ricky Steamboat fight for Hogan's honour against Roddy Piper, and when Hogan heals from his injury he finds out that Steamboat has become the crowd favourite - so much so that he suggests McMahon to turn him heel for a short while, and the turn actually works.</p><p> </p><p> The fictional WON excerpts were another cool thing about this story, since the author nailed Meltzer's style, but the story's kind of dead as of now. Oh well.</p><p> </p><p> About the game, I think I'll wait until next week - when I'll be able to get the full version - to start it. I accept suggestions about the time period in which I should start but, as for the company, I will not pick the WWE/F.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Neoteros" data-cite="Neoteros" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45937" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I couldn't not give it a try; after all, I may not be a huge fan of the squared circle, but even I know about the most well known athletes and events in the business and, most importantly, the possibility of making Vince McMahon go bankrupt is as appealing to me as the survival of Norse paganism in that other game I alluded to.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> While I agree with you on Vince going bankrupt sounding very appealing. I will not stand for those darn pagans to stay alive and raid my country every so often.<img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Maybe I missed it but what year are you going to play in? If it is the mid to late 80's I would love to see you take over the AWA and see if you could make them last.</p><p> </p><p> Also, you might be interested in the following diary <a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46137" rel="external nofollow"> it is Oldschool's WWWF: Re-writing History: No Hulk/No Vince (D.O.T.T)</a>. In it he imagines what the WWWF would be like if Vince Jr. never took over from his father and Hulk never came to the WWWF.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neoteros Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45937" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>While I agree with you on Vince going bankrupt sounding very appealing. I will not stand for those darn pagans to stay alive and raid my country every so often.<img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> Maybe I missed it but what year are you going to play in? If it is the mid to late 80's I would love to see you take over the AWA and see if you could make them last.</p><p> </p><p> Also, you might be interested in the following diary <a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46137" rel="external nofollow"> it is Oldschool's WWWF: Re-writing History: No Hulk/No Vince (D.O.T.T)</a>. In it he imagines what the WWWF would be like if Vince Jr. never took over from his father and Hulk never came to the WWWF.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I haven't chosen a year yet, I was thinking 2001 but there are quite a few such diaries already... unless, I were to pick the fledgling Italian Championship Wrestling instead. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha2117 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Neoteros" data-cite="Neoteros" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45937" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I haven't chosen a year yet, I was thinking 2001 but there are quite a few such diaries already... unless, I were to pick the fledgling Italian Championship Wrestling instead. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> What I'd suggest is download a few of the mods for various time periods and have a look at the data and find something that feels like something you would like to play. </p><p> </p><p> If you actually did want to take down Vince you would probably go for one of the pre 2001 time periods when he was still vulnerable. Anything post that and if the mod maker has been even close to reality with things like finances then the WWE is pretty unassailable. </p><p> </p><p> Not sure if there is a 93 mod out there where Vince loses his court case but if that had of happened then the WWF pretty much would have gone under and certainly during the darkest days of the Monday Night Wars things were looking a little grim. Anything set before Wrestlemania 1 could also see you take him down given that was not a slam dunk certainty to succeed.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neoteros Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="alpha2117" data-cite="alpha2117" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45937" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What I'd suggest is download a few of the mods for various time periods and have a look at the data and find something that feels like something you would like to play. <p> </p><p> If you actually did want to take down Vince you would probably go for one of the pre 2001 time periods when he was still vulnerable. Anything post that and if the mod maker has been even close to reality with things like finances then the WWE is pretty unassailable. </p><p> </p><p> Not sure if there is a 93 mod out there where Vince loses his court case but if that had of happened then the WWF pretty much would have gone under and certainly during the darkest days of the Monday Night Wars things were looking a little grim. Anything set before Wrestlemania 1 could also see you take him down given that was not a slam dunk certainty to succeed.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The Eye of the Storm mod is set in 1992, but IDK if his IRL troubles are included in it, since the demo did not allow me to go that far.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnowYourEnemy Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Neoteros" data-cite="Neoteros" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45937" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The Eye of the Storm mod is set in 1992, but IDK if his IRL troubles are included in it, since the demo did not allow me to go that far.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> As for strategy, I'd try to take a large company in Mexico and expand into the U.S. through a Spanish T.V. Provider. </p><p> </p><p> I think beating Vince in 2006 or 2009 would be possible. The WWE doesn't have too many great draws at this point. Many great indie stars with good workrate are available, and overall, WWE has been getting older and the stars aren't what they were.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neoteros Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="KnowYourEnemy" data-cite="KnowYourEnemy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45937" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>As for strategy, I'd try to take a large company in Mexico and expand into the U.S. through a Spanish T.V. Provider. <p> </p><p> I think beating Vince in 2006 or 2009 would be possible. The WWE doesn't have too many great draws at this point. Many great indie stars with good workrate are available, and overall, WWE has been getting older and the stars aren't what they were.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I've been looking at some of the mod narratives, and it looks like the Rising Storms mod has the steroid scandal baked into it, so I might start there - jumping into the Monday Night Wars might end up being too overwhelming for a first playthrough... even though a D-Generation X/New World Order crossover is something I will attempt sooner or later - if only because a stable led by Hulk Hogan, managed by Rick Rude, and featuring Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Shawn Michaels, Triple H and Chyna would probably be one of the most dysfunctional and toxic stables ever assembled, and trying to rein in the members' massive egoes would be... quite something. </p><p> </p><p> Kliq on steroids aside, if I chose the 1991 mod, would the companies and wrestlers popping up in game be historical (for example, ECW starting in 1992, the aforementioned Chyna being spawned somewhere in the US around the mid-1990s, etc.) or fictional, like in EWR and the freeware version?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnowYourEnemy Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Neoteros" data-cite="Neoteros" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45937" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Kliq on steroids aside, if I chose the 1991 mod, would the companies and wrestlers popping up in game be historical (for example, ECW starting in 1992, the aforementioned Chyna being spawned somewhere in the US around the mid-1990s, etc.) or fictional, like in EWR and the freeware version?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The vast majority of things will be historical. The major exceptions will be companies that closed in real life -- such as WCW and ECW -- won't close when they did in real life, and wrestlers won't retire when they did in real life. Occasionally, an event may hurt a company or encourage a worker to retire, but these are rarely in a mod.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGpistolpete Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Make sure you pick a mod that is nice and accurate seeing as you are a fan of Paradox games you will hate when mods aren't accurate and the stats are not flush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 You could always go with the 2002 mod and takeover ROH or TNA and shape their rosters how you see fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neoteros Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="OGpistolpete" data-cite="OGpistolpete" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45937" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Make sure you pick a mod that is nice and accurate seeing as you are a fan of Paradox games you will hate when mods aren't accurate and the stats are not flush</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well, they also made a full on DLC in which the <em>Aztecs</em> invaded <em>early medieval Europe</em>. And the <em>Kaiserreich</em> mod is as fun as it is historically inaccurate. Also, even in a standard game, there can be things like the CSA conquering most of West Africa in a series of colonial wars, so...</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45937" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You could always go with the 2002 mod and takeover ROH or TNA and shape their rosters how you see fit.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> There is a 2002 mod? Most mods I've come across stop at 2001...</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Neoteros" data-cite="Neoteros" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45937" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>There is a 2002 mod? Most mods I've come across stop at 2001...</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Interesting, I could have sworn that the Mod Squad had put out a 2002 mod. However, from the looks of it I guess I was wrong. Maybe they put out a 2002 mod for TEW13.</p><p> </p><p> I clearly remember there was a mod where you had to either wait one month or a couple of months and then TNA would open. I loved playing as TNA when it first opened because it meant I could form the roster to my liking. </p><p> </p><p> In regards to CK, I once conquered England as Ireland. It is not the most historically accurate game.<img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha2117 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45937" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> In regards to CK, I once conquered England as Ireland. It is not the most historically accurate game.<img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You get the weird results sometimes - especially if you get bitter Civil Wars that you can exploit.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neoteros Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 You get the weird results sometimes - especially if you get bitter Civil Wars that you can exploit. That seems to happen a lot in Japan in this game, with the main companies of the archipelago waging war against each other, only to lose ground (and key athletes) to the gaijin companies from overseas. Anyway, a small preview of what's to come: His user talent allocation is, of course, the preset "Industry Veteran" kind. Here's hoping the save game won't die on me once I'll upgrade to the full version in a couple days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigINMoldova Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 If you actually did want to take down Vince you would probably go for one of the pre 2001 time periods when he was still vulnerable. Anything post that and if the mod maker has been even close to reality with things like finances then the WWE is pretty unassailable. And the Titanic is completely unsinkable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha2117 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 And the Titanic is completely unsinkable. If I remember the numbers rightly NJPW turned over about 1/12th of what the WWE did last year an they are the second biggest company in the world. So if any wrestling company post the Monday Night Wars is set up to send the WWE broke then the mod would be inherently flawed. Not commenting on the sometimes dire quality of the WWE's product in that era just the monetary reality. Pre WCW's collapse there was definitely times WWF could have gone under (had Mania 1 flopped, 1993 had Vince gone to jail, when WCW was on that dominating run in the ratings for instance) but post WCW's collapse it's been a steady accumulation of massive profits for the WWE and they are at the point now that they are pretty much unkillable. In terms of getting more ratings etc that could happen but at this point no wrestling company is sending the WWE broke and the thread is A n00b's quest to make Vince McMahon go out of business so to me that really means you have to be competing with them pre the end of the Monday Night Wars when they were still vulnerable because post the Wars they simply aren't going out of business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neoteros Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 If I remember the numbers rightly NJPW turned over about 1/12th of what the WWE did last year an they are the second biggest company in the world. So if any wrestling company post the Monday Night Wars is set up to send the WWE broke then the mod would be inherently flawed. Not commenting on the sometimes dire quality of the WWE's product in that era just the monetary reality. Pre WCW's collapse there was definitely times WWF could have gone under (had Mania 1 flopped, 1993 had Vince gone to jail, when WCW was on that dominating run in the ratings for instance) but post WCW's collapse it's been a steady accumulation of massive profits for the WWE and they are at the point now that they are pretty much unkillable. In terms of getting more ratings etc that could happen but at this point no wrestling company is sending the WWE broke and the thread is A n00b's quest to make Vince McMahon go out of business so to me that really means you have to be competing with them pre the end of the Monday Night Wars when they were still vulnerable because post the Wars they simply aren't going out of business. Well, mine was a hyperbole, I'd be satisfied with merely relegating the WWE to second place. I know that it'd be very hard to actually kill them. That's why I might be starting in 1991, shortly before the preset narratives about the steroid scandal and the WWF's popularity dip, or in 1995, at the very beginning of the Monday Night Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha2117 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Well, mine was a hyperbole, I'd be satisfied with merely relegating the WWE to second place. I know that it'd be very hard to actually kill them. That's why I might be starting in 1991, shortly before the preset narratives about the steroid scandal and the WWF's popularity dip, or in 1995, at the very beginning of the Monday Night Wars. Good choices both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neoteros Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 Good choices both And that's exactly why I'll leave the choice of scenery to you guys. https://www.strawpoll.me/16688126 The voting will end on Wednesday, when I'll be able to get the full version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beejus Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 I went for 1995 for ya, because I personally don't think that TEW itself handles the pre-MNW time period very well. Also because winning over the WWF in this time has less to do with narratives giving you advantages and more to do with your own booking prowess. If I may, I would also suggest BurningHammer's 1996 mod, but that is more for if you would want to start in January instead of September. This gives you the already formed Horsemen, you don't have to deal with trying to get the title off of Hogan, and The Giant is already built up into a solid main event player. Plus, I personally feel that the September to December period of Nitro is as perfect as a wrestling show can be as it was, so I rarely change anything even when I am booking it, so starting it in January 1996 works out better as you're getting into changing where it started losing a little steam. I don't think you would need to add a new choice to your poll for it, just decide that one for yourself if 95 were to win. If you were to go with 95 instead, then I look forward to seeing how you do with the possible reformation of the Horsemen and if you run with the "Can we trust Lex?" story, as those two things are what I think made that time frame so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1995 gives you Lex on his last good legs. That’s fun. Him and Sting in the tag division is fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnowYourEnemy Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 <p>Went with 1991 here. Not sure who you're starting with. If you are going with Turner and WCW, 1995 feels like having the cards already at the table. You've got both Hogan and Flair already built up for you. Many guys will already have success in the 'Fed before moving to Atlanta. </p><p> </p><p> In 1991, you're going to do the building, and have to bring new stars in -- this will include your own creations. Taking Vince out in 1991 will feel more personal.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdcastles Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="KnowYourEnemy" data-cite="KnowYourEnemy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45937" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Neteros -- As a fellow History student -- at the graduate level -- I'm very interested in this diary. Consider me aboard. <p> </p><p> Wrestling isn't the worst history to study. You need to have a professor with an open mind -- but throughout the 70s and 80s wrestlers had a huge impact on popular culture as a whole.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I was a history major in undergrad, and I'm a doctoral student in educational leadership. A couple years ago, I wrote the curriculum for a class I wanted to teach that I called "Sports in Society." It was essentially a US history through sports class, and I had a unit on combat sports, but, due to my interest, focused on pro wrestling. Alas, the state did not like the class enough to approve. I'm looking forward to this diary.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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