Official Game Thread- Barebones 4 Mafia (The Revival November 2018)

[mistaken]

<p>I agree we have to go in some way.</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>vote:derek b</strong></p>

[mistaken]

<p>or </p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Change Vote: derek b</strong></p>

[Destiny]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="mistaken" data-cite="mistaken" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I agree we have to go in some way.<p> </p><p> <strong>vote:derek b</strong></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This is the thing Derek. If you are town I will feel sorry for you but there's too much that I find hard to believe and too little time left in the phase for much else.</p>

[Arrows]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Has that been done much in prior games (some roles being double)? Honestly it has been so long that I do not really remember jack you know what about stuff.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Destiny" data-cite="Destiny" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I can't remember a game where there were duplicate roles, or even three or more of the similar roles.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Cops, roleblocks, watchers, trackers, protectors. All incredibly common to have more than one of in a larger game. You've got to think, this is GDS. Vanilla is probably the rarest role of them all in our 15+ people games.</p><p> </p><p> I still find it really weird people are acting like this isn't true. There's only so many roles.</p>

[Destiny]

If that's the case Arrows then I am sorry for misremembering. It's been years since I played this regularly. Any thoughts on Derek or his comments about you?

[Arrows]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Destiny" data-cite="Destiny" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If that's the case Arrows then I am sorry for misremembering. It's been years since I played this regularly. Any thoughts on Derek or his comments about you?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I mean, if he wants to protect me, thanks? I don't know what I did that he thinks is suspicious. I'm not the guy trying to incite panic via text color, or the guy in a role claim battle with someone who's clearly the one telling the truth about that spot in the write up. Makes so much more sense to be Astil there.</p><p> </p><p> I could do one better, but I see no need to do so at the moment. I'd also like to request if we have an investigator paying attention, to not waste it on me tonight. Scum likes killing me early, no reason to get a result on a dead person. Or Derek will keep me, and I may not be open to be investigated and waste the night for them entirely.</p>

[theoutlaw321]

<p><strong>Antithesis-2</strong> moon_lit_tears, eayragt)</p><p>

<strong>Derek B-9</strong> (Destiny, BlueStar, lukess11, Jaded, cappyboy, BHK1978, Astil, The Archer, mistaken)</p><p>

<strong>moon_lit_tears-1</strong> (machinesxe)</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>It is now DAY PHASE. With 25 players remaining, it's 13 to lynch. </strong></p><p><strong> </strong></p><p><strong>

You have until 6:00PM EST (11:00PM GMT) on Monday, November 19th to reach a majority vote. If no vote has been reached at that time, a No Lynch will be declared.</strong></p><p><strong>

As always, if you see a mistake point it out.</strong></p><p>

8.0 hours left</p>

[Destiny]

I'm going to sleep soon guys so will likely miss the deadline. Arrows, if you feel so strongly that Derek isn't trustworthy or being completely honest, why don't you drop your vote?

[Arrows]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Destiny" data-cite="Destiny" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm going to sleep soon guys so will likely miss the deadline. Arrows, if you feel so strongly that Derek isn't trustworthy or being completely honest, why don't you drop your vote?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Because Derek likes to make people feel that way about him, same way I do. It's a lot easier to stay alive if the scum think you're going to be a distraction. While that may not be the most productive way to be a townie, it beats being a dead townie who can't help at all when needed.</p><p> </p><p> I've been going back and forth on this, haven't convinced myself of going either way yet. There's still 8ish hours left, I've got the day off work, I'mma be around. What's the rush?</p>

[The Two]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arrows" data-cite="Arrows" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I mean, if he wants to protect me, thanks? I don't know what I did that he thinks is suspicious. I'm not the guy trying to incite panic via text color, or the guy in a role claim battle with someone who's clearly the one telling the truth about that spot in the write up. Makes so much more sense to be Astil there.<p> </p><p> I could do one better, but I see no need to do so at the moment. I'd also like to request if we have an investigator paying attention, to not waste it on me tonight. Scum likes killing me early, no reason to get a result on a dead person. Or Derek will keep me, and I may not be open to be investigated and waste the night for them entirely.</p></div></blockquote><p> I don't know whether Arrows is trustworthy, but I've got to admire the balls of, "don't investigate me, I'm not worth it." If he's scum, that's a heroically bold play. <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> I never like lynching Derek, games are more fun with him in them, but Astil makes a strong case. I need to give it more thought whether to lend it my endorsement. I'll be back before deadline.</p>

[Derek B]

<p>Arrows, I wish I had planned to make myself into a mysterious figure with unknown motivations. That was never the plan. I was looking to follow a lead based on a reading of the write up that matched me.</p><p> </p><p>

Keep asking me questions. I'll keep checking in on my phone. I feel like people are going to lynch me regardless, which I have many negative feelings about. But if you ask me quesstions, you can get truthful answers that might help later. If that's the best I can do and the best anyone is willing to go with despite the evidence, then that's all I can do.</p>

[Arrows]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Two" data-cite="The Two" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don't know whether Arrows is trustworthy, but I've got to admire the balls of, "don't investigate me, I'm not worth it." If he's scum, that's a heroically bold play. <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> I never like lynching Derek, games are more fun with him in them, but Astil makes a strong case. I need to give it more thought whether to lend it my endorsement. I'll be back before deadline.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> You know me, I'm all about making up nonsense hints on odd days, and making bold plays on evens. <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Games are more fun with Derek around, that's one of the main reasons my vote isn't on him right now. It's hard to remove myself from that bias without something concrete.</p>

[lukess11]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arrows" data-cite="Arrows" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> You know me, I'm all about making up nonsense hints on odd days, and making bold plays on evens. <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> Games are more fun with Derek around, that's one of the main reasons my vote isn't on him right now. It's hard to remove myself from that bias without something concrete.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The thing that threw me off about Derek was the wording of the role title. Going off what I know, Astil's role title is more similar to what a ability role would be compared to Derek. That is why my vote is there and won't be moving unless something absolutely concrete is found.</p>

[Arrows]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lukess11" data-cite="lukess11" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The thing that threw me off about Derek was the wording of the role title. Going off what I know, Astil's role title is more similar to what a ability role would be compared to Derek. That is why my vote is there and won't be moving unless something absolutely concrete is found.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Here's my current thought process on role titles, and if someone wants to correct this I'm interested. I know my role title is my role. Student role's role title was Student. Derek's claim fits this. Astil's does not.</p><p> </p><p> Town Aligned Clinic Physician isn't an actual role. It's a character, assigned a role that makes sense contextually, and given flavor in write ups.</p><p> </p><p> That said, that bit of the write up looks far more like a Physician, so I believe that's what that is. Why though, is this one different from what I've seen thus far? Is it because there was already a Jail Keeper?</p>

[Astil]

<p>Arrows, or anyone really, honest question:</p><p> </p><p>

When has there been the protector/roleblocker or hider/roleblocker role in GDS before?</p><p> </p><p>

Am I forgetting an obvious one?</p>

[lukess11]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arrows" data-cite="Arrows" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Here's my current thought process on role titles, and if someone wants to correct this I'm interested. I know my role title is my role. Student role's role title was Student. Derek's claim fits this. Astil's does not.<p> </p><p> Town Aligned Clinic Physician isn't an actual role. It's a character, assigned a role that makes sense contextually, and given flavor in write ups.</p><p> </p><p> That said, that bit of the write up looks far more like a Physician, so I believe that's what that is. Why though, is this one different from what I've seen thus far? Is it because there was already a Jail Keeper?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> My role title isn't flat out my role. If we go by your logic, there is two of my role which would be unbalanced as any role I have ever seen. However, I wouldn't rule it out because who knows how outlaw was thinking when making this game.</p>

[Astil]

Derek can non-kill targets get through with your role?

[Astil]

<p>Eternal Phoenix, BKH, Ray, Crychon, Paws, eayragt:</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

Thoughts?</p>

[Crychon]

Eternal Phoenix, BKH, Ray, Crychon, Paws, eayragt:

 

 

Thoughts?

 

I've been following along and trying to wrap my head around this whole situation.

 

Flavor-wise I can see why a Jail Keeper would roleblock someone, but a Clinic Physician blocking someone makes a bit less sense to me.

 

Re-reading the writeup again right now, I'm beginning to wonder if both the section you think is you and the appointment section is you as well, because it does mention that the appointment person is already with someone. That's making me wonder if that part of the writeup is someone targeting you.

 

I feel a lot less good in my gut about this lynch than I did (and still do) about the mach one. I just feel like there's something that's being missed here.

 

My main questions (and I probably should have asked this sooner) are is Derek completely sure he actually protects and whether you're completely sure you actually roleblock.

[BlueStar]

Arrows, or anyone really, honest question:

 

When has there been the protector/roleblocker or hider/roleblocker role in GDS before?

 

Am I forgetting an obvious one?

 

Remember my question/idea during D1?

[BlueStar]

9 votes...13 needed, 3 votes on the "bait"/"alternatives" Derek has thrown....plenty of time though. I think Astil played this one down to the T...made his target claim, counterclaimed...normally this should be done and dusted.

[Astil]

Remember my question/idea during D1?

 

TBH no, I can go look.

[BlueStar]

TBH no, I can go look.

 

Take it as a long term idea...

[Derek B]

@Astil: I roleblock and protect. I don't hide anyone.

 

@Crychon: I have literally quoted the sections you are talking about twice saying exactly that. I'm 100% sure that my PM tells me I roleblock and I protect. No doubt about it.

[Astil]

Take it as a long term idea...

 

Boots?