The All Elite Wrestling Discussion Thread

[Jaysin]

I'm in the same boat. Hopefully when they finally face off the Young Bucks actually follow tag rules for once. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

[Jaysin]

<p>Is there some sort of connection between Big Swole and Moose? Her entrance "Swole!" chant is a rip off of the Moose chant and she's billed from Swole Nation instead of Moose Nation.</p><p> </p><p>

I didn't think anyone could replace Britt Baker as my least favorite female worker in AEW and Swole went and replaced her. Ugh she's the worst</p><p> </p><p>

Also, that Chanel chick looks like Kel from Keenan and Kel in drag.</p>

[milamber]

Might not be crowds until next year, though. If they want Dynamite and PPVs to keep doing well they can't hold off on big matches too long.

[Dalton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46243" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Might not be crowds until next year, though. If they want Dynamite and PPVs to keep doing well they can't hold off on big matches too long.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They haven't really held back on much. Bucks/FTR seems to be the one they're saving, but first FTR has to face Page and Omega anyway, so they can push back the Bucks/FTR match until at least November at Full Gear, if not later.</p>

[Makhai]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46243" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I dont know if wrestling "needs" to be so silly. Everyone knows movies are fake, but not every successful movie breaks the fourth wall. Some do. Superhero movies in particular constantly stop the action for meta moments or post modern references or tension breaking jokes. And the action is silly and goofy and fake. AEW is going for that audience.<p> </p><p> But theres another audience. There's an audience for serious wrestling. By which I mean not being slapped in the face with "it's fake lol" constantly. Let me enjoy the drama without tension breaking quips or spiderman referencing star wars or modern wrestlers quoting undertaker from 20 years ago to try to get a pop.</p><p> </p><p> Theres room for both fans. Neither side is going to change the mind of the other.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> We focus so much on the product. But honestly, Products that work are always built around THEIR STARS!. Hulkimania was built to condition an audience to enjoy slow-paced storytelling that favored him. Austin's Attitude era was perfect for his trash brawler, foul-mouthed character. Where it falls apart is when the the cart is put before the horse. Or in the situation we have now, where we're squabbling over cart designs when we have no horses to pull them.</p><p> </p><p> AEW's biggest failing is that they don't know who their top guys are or how to build shows to a Main Event. Frequently the first match on their show is the best one. Because they want to make everybody special. And therefore nobody is.</p><p> </p><p> Goofy, not goofy. Aliens, no aliens, Serious or not. What wrestling is, and was trying to capture, is the "big fight feel" of Boxing, MMA, and Old Time Carnival fights and streamline it for an audience in a way that can be controlled and replicated on a more consistent basis.</p><p> </p><p> You see that blonde-haired doofus in my avatar? She's what a star is supposed to be. She fought almost 20 straight times, and I got goosebumps everytime she came out. That's what a star should do in wrestling. Irregardless of how good they are, what their body type is, what they say, or do. If they walk out of that curtain it's special. </p><p> </p><p> How many times have you had that feeling in wrestliing in the last 5 years? That's really all I have to say. This is about building matches and storylines to that point. And other than big dome Okada matches, and Cody vs. Dustin. I haven't had that feeling at all. I mostly watch hoping that it will turn around. I tell myself that wrestling is cyclical. It will always turn around, and it's gonna be great. </p><p> </p><p> PRIDE was there for the merger, UFC got me through the Cena years. Now where do I get my next big fight fix? Orange Cassidy matches? The guy with his hands in his pockets? Double or Nothing seems like a lifetime ago.</p>

[Jaysin]

Stop watching if you don't enjoy it. All you're doing is torturing yourself. I never understood why people keep watching stuff they don't enjoy.

[Dalton]

<p>Yeah, AEW has been a steady success. Viewers aren't turning the channel even with no crowds. They're doing pre-pandemic numbers. No matter what us internet smarks say, they are succeeding beyond expectations. </p><p> </p><p>

And they know who their stars are.</p>

[Astyn]

We focus so much on the product. But honestly, Products that work are always built around THEIR STARS!. Hulkimania was built to condition an audience to enjoy slow-paced storytelling that favored him. Austin's Attitude era was perfect for his trash brawler, foul-mouthed character. Where it falls apart is when the the cart is put before the horse. Or in the situation we have now, where we're squabbling over cart designs when we have no horses to pull them.

 

AEW's biggest failing is that they don't know who their top guys are or how to build shows to a Main Event. Frequently the first match on their show is the best one. Because they want to make everybody special. And therefore nobody is.

 

Goofy, not goofy. Aliens, no aliens, Serious or not. What wrestling is, and was trying to capture, is the "big fight feel" of Boxing, MMA, and Old Time Carnival fights and streamline it for an audience in a way that can be controlled and replicated on a more consistent basis.

 

You see that blonde-haired doofus in my avatar? She's what a star is supposed to be. She fought almost 20 straight times, and I got goosebumps everytime she came out. That's what a star should do in wrestling. Irregardless of how good they are, what their body type is, what they say, or do. If they walk out of that curtain it's special.

 

How many times have you had that feeling in wrestliing in the last 5 years? That's really all I have to say. This is about building matches and storylines to that point. And other than big dome Okada matches, and Cody vs. Dustin. I haven't had that feeling at all. I mostly watch hoping that it will turn around. I tell myself that wrestling is cyclical. It will always turn around, and it's gonna be great.

 

PRIDE was there for the merger, UFC got me through the Cena years. Now where do I get my next big fight fix? Orange Cassidy matches? The guy with his hands in his pockets? Double or Nothing seems like a lifetime ago.

 

Wrestling has changed my dude. Plenty of other stuff in the world to watch. MMA events weekly. Not happy? start your own organization and im sure youll have plenty of success considering you know exactly what to do.

[ReggieLove]

I didn't think anyone could replace Britt Baker as my least favorite female worker in AEW and Swole went and replaced her. Ugh she's the worst.

 

Babyface Britt was absolutely blah in every aspect, however, since her heel turn she's been a blast, she's easily become one of the highlights of pandemic era AEW.

 

The sooner they get her away from Swole, the better.

[Jaysin]

Babyface Britt was absolutely blah in every aspect, however, since her heel turn she's been a blast, she's easily become one of the highlights of pandemic era AEW.

 

The sooner they get her away from Swole, the better.

 

Britt is awful as a heel and as a face to me. I just groan and stop paying attention when they put any sort of focus on her. I was hoping her injury would mean she'd be gone but nope.

[parkereddy]

PRIDE was there for the merger, UFC got me through the Cena years. Now where do I get my next big fight fix? Orange Cassidy matches? The guy with his hands in his pockets? Double or Nothing seems like a lifetime ago.

 

The guy with his hands in his pockets is one of the most over acts in wrestling today. He's an incredible appeal to casual fans because of his likable comedy act. And the guy can work, too, look no further than his match with PAC for that.

[Jaysin]

The guy with his hands in his pockets is one of the most over acts in wrestling today. He's an incredible appeal to casual fans because of his likable comedy act. And the guy can work, too, look no further than his match with PAC for that.

 

And his first match with Jericho which was great. I'm more excited for Jericho vs OC 2 than I am for anything else in wrestling

[parkereddy]

And his first match with Jericho which was great. I'm more excited for Jericho vs OC 2 than I am for anything else in wrestling

 

Same. Tonight's show is the most excited I've been for a weekly show in a long time.

 

I legitimately think tonight's the night we get a new four horsemen stable.

[Mootinie]

Even on a talent level, I think Orange Cassidy is tremendous. Whatever people think of the "hands in the pockets!" as Excalibur would call, plenty has been asked of him and I think he has always performed admirably. He deserves great credit and the company too for having the confidence in him to main event Dynamite and do segments like the Debate that rely on the strength of his character and his personality.

[Jaysin]

<p>As much as I loved Super Smash Bros and Fire Ant, if you had told me they'd be two of the best acts in a major wrestling company I would have called you delusional. Fire Ant was my favorite Chikara worker by a long shot, so his rebirth as Orange Cassidy has been so much fun.</p><p> </p><p>

I assume we'll get OC vs Jericho at All Out now to break the tie</p><p> </p><p>

I dig the finished TNT title. The combo of silver and gold makes it pop. The darker red belt looks nicer too.</p><p> </p><p>

Brodie vs Cody should be fun.</p>

[MightyDavidson]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46243" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>As much as I loved Super Smash Bros and Fire Ant, if you had told me they'd be two of the best acts in a major wrestling company I would have called you delusional. Fire Ant was my favorite Chikara worker by a long shot, so his rebirth as Orange Cassidy has been so much fun.<p> </p><p> I assume we'll get OC vs Jericho at All Out now to break the tie</p><p> </p><p> I dig the finished TNT title. The combo of silver and gold makes it pop. The darker red belt looks nicer too.</p><p> </p><p> Brodie vs Cody should be fun.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Wouldn't be surprised if Brodie took the title from him.</p>

[milamber]

- Young Bucks vs Dark Order was great.

- MJF cutting a promo lying down was impressive. Mox sneak attack was good.

- Matt Hardy is a master at spinning a shoot into a work.

- Scorpio vs Cody © was great. Scorpio's new entrance is cool. The completed TNT belt looks nice on TV. I expected Brodie to go after the tag titles not the TNT title.

- Jurassic Express vs Page & Omega © was great. Kenny/Marko might be my new favorite feud.

- PNP lol. I enjoyed the Tag Team Appreciation segment, especially once Tully got on the mic. Rock n Roll Express are crazy still taking bumps at their age. Jericho trying to blackmail Chioda lol.

- Monroe vs Shida was solid. Monroe impressed me. New submission finisher!

- Everybody dies... in the locker room. It's fun but Archer needs a feud.

- Cassidy vs Jericho was great. OC wasn't messing around.

 

Another fantastic show.

[milamber]

Bea Priestley, Jimmy Havoc, Sadie Gibbs, T-Hawk and El Lindeman have not had their contracts renewed.

[Jaysin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46243" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Bea Priestley, Jimmy Havoc, Sadie Gibbs, T-Hawk and El Lindeman have not had their contracts renewed.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's a shame about Bea and Sadie, but they're stuck in the UK I'm pretty sure so it's not surprising.</p><p> </p><p> Havoc sucks so he's not a loss.</p><p> </p><p> I've only seen the StrongHearts guys a couple times so I don't really have an opinion on them.</p>

[Dalton]

Wouldn't be surprised if Brodie took the title from him.

 

They seemed to have booked themselves into a corner here, imo. If Brodie wins, they took the title off the inaugural champ with THAT build? Not only the inaugural champ, but the guy who cannot challenge for the world title, so losing the TNT title should have a humongous build. If Brodie loses, it's another major loss for him, which he shouldn't be taking right now.

 

I don't know. I do trust them to have a good plan. I hope it was just a shoehorned match to try to bring eyes to a Saturday Dynamite.

[Jaysin]

They seemed to have booked themselves into a corner here, imo. If Brodie wins, they took the title off the inaugural champ with THAT build? Not only the inaugural champ, but the guy who cannot challenge for the world title, so losing the TNT title should have a humongous build. If Brodie loses, it's another major loss for him, which he shouldn't be taking right now.

 

I don't know. I do trust them to have a good plan. I hope it was just a shoehorned match to try to bring eyes to a Saturday Dynamite.

 

I think they're just trying to make Saturday Night Dynamite a stacked show so people actually tune in.

 

As a WCW fanboy, seeing wrestling on a Saturday night again is pretty cool.

[milamber]

They seemed to have booked themselves into a corner here, imo. If Brodie wins, they took the title off the inaugural champ with THAT build? Not only the inaugural champ, but the guy who cannot challenge for the world title, so losing the TNT title should have a humongous build. If Brodie loses, it's another major loss for him, which he shouldn't be taking right now.

 

I don't know. I do trust them to have a good plan. I hope it was just a shoehorned match to try to bring eyes to a Saturday Dynamite.

 

I think this will be a rare Cody title match that doesn't end clean. Dark Order are out to prove a point. I'm not sure how much Mr. Brodie really cares about the belt. If I'm correct, it will be interesting to see who comes out to help Cody... The Elite, FTR, Scorpio Sky? That could feed into other storylines.

 

On that note, I'd like to see Scorpio and Archer feud.

[milamber]

Beware spoilers on social media for next Saturday's show... unless they involved Erik Rowan debuting which has been confirmed as fake.

[Dalton]

On that note, I'd like to see Scorpio and Archer feud.

I'd like to see Sky feud with anyone! He's so underrated, although AEW seems to be high on him with his 7-2 singles record this year.

 

He seems like a guy who could fit firmly in the upper-midcard forever, but has the ability and adoration of the crowd to possibly get a run on top. Like a Kofi or a Mustafi Ali.

[Jaysin]

As green as Brandi is, at least I don't have to see Swole in the finals. God I can't stand Big Swole. I feel like a broken record.

 

Little bummed TayJay lost though. Kinda hope a women's tag title shows up at some point.