Levinux Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Since I began my original dynasty (WCW: American Dream) back in April, I've played TEW 2016 at least every other day, with the exception of a few weeks here and there. Real life, of course. When I stopped my WCW game in July, I was a year in and it was great. Again, real life, so I decided to end the dynasty while I got things sorted out. I've attempted other dynasties since, but nothing keeps my interest like my WCW save did. I grew up on WCW; WWF was the secondary show in my house. So, I'm thinking of dedicating time when TEW2020 comes out, to a large project. Something ongoing that will run WCW from start to it's 'historical finish'. Bare with me, as I'm about to drop a lot of notes, but here is what I'm thinking: WCW: The Early Years (Nov 1988 - Jan 1991) Media mogul Ted Turner and his company Turner Broadcasting Systems (TBS) have purchased Jim Crocket Promotions (JCP), renaming it World Championship Wrestling (WCW), after JCP's primary television show. » Sticking to WCW's historical TV and PPV schedule. » Sticking to WCW's historical roster, thanks to solie.org » As the territory era is coming to a close here, no written contracts are being offered outside of written contract renewals. » Capping size to Cult. » Still using » All championship belts will be NWA titles, though they will not be associated to the NWA. I've debated this, and I want to be able to see "Ric Flair (13)" for example, in the late 90s, and having a new WCW title created will defeat that purpose. I will duplicate the NWA World Title in the database and vacate it, setting it to the alliance to allow the AI to use it moving forward. WCW: Breaking Free (Jan 1991 - Jan 1993) WCW continues to make waves, beginning the slow break from the National Wrestling Alliance (NWA). » Sticking to WCW's historical TV and PPV schedule. » Sticking to WCW's historical roster, thanks to solie.org » As long as the territories end up dying off for the most part, written contracts can now be offered. » Uncapping size. » Maintaining history with a NJPW partnership. WCW: The Bischoff Effect (Jan 1993 - May 1996) In 1993, Eric Bischoff is promoted to Executive of Television, putting him pretty much in control of WCW, as the company is ran heavily on TV and Pay-Per-View events. » Sticking to WCW's historical TV and PPV schedule. » Sticking to WCW's historical roster, thanks to solie.org » Since Bischoff began poaching WWF talent in this era, I'll be keeping my eye out for people to grab, doing my best to stick to the historical roster. » Hulk Hogan's WWF contract will be pre-set before the game starts to expire in June 1994 as this is an integral period for WCW. (Note: He will not have creative control for obvious reasons) » Lex Luger's current contract at this point of the game will be adjusted to expire in Aug/Sep 1995, as he's an integral part of the first WCW Nitro. » 2 WWF worker contracts will be adjusted to end in May 1996 so the Outsiders and eventual nWo can be formed. I will not guarantee that it will be Hall & Nash, as the game may take them in another direction. It will be 2 workers with similar status in the game. WCW: A Hostile Era (May 1996 - Nov 1997) Things in WCW get hostile when outsiders penetrate WCW, and challenge everything WCW stands for. » Sticking to WCW's historical TV and PPV schedule. » Sticking to WCW's historical roster, thanks to solie.org » The nWo will contain Hogan and 3 WWF steals. » The Sting/Hogan story will exist in this save WCW: $7.5 Million (Nov 1997 - Mar 2001) In late 1997, WCW did what many thing couldn't be done, and signed their competition's top talent, pretty much signalling the end of a war that has been building since the early 90s. » Sticking to WCW's historical TV and PPV schedule. » Sticking to WCW's historical roster, thanks to solie.org » Whoever WWF's top guy is at this time, the contract will be adjusted so I can snag him in Nov 1997. Bret Hart's WCW jump was huge, despite him not being used properly. This moment in history cannot be ignored. » This save is where I will begin drastically changing things. I don't like a lot of what WCW did in their last few years. WCW: Alternate Reality (Mar 2001+) Some say WCW would have folded by early-to-mid 2001, but most say where WCW goes from here is uncharted territory. I'd love your feedback on a large game like this. Would you invest time into following it? Have any of you ever done a large multi-year game like this? One of my concerns is 'level of difficulty' against the AI. In my WCW save, WWF was handing the IC title over to people like Bushwhacker Luke and consistently running shows well under it's popularity rating. Another thing I'll need to do is (besides hoping the 1987 Golden Era mod gets ported over to TEW 2020) to figure out the best way to update the 1987 data to Nov 1988 and not have everyone's stats and popularity basically be the same as 1987, just a changed date. Let me know what you think? I'd really like to hear your honest thoughts. -- Lev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaunGBD Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 <p>Love it</p><p> </p><p> I gotta ask is 7.5 million what Brett sign for</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilofNG Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 This is an incredibly ambitious project. I <em>like</em> it. I love long dynasties, and this would definitely be a long one. I'd be interested to see how much the game world changes because with something like this we know it will. I'm game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBEZA Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 <p>I love this idea, however there's just one detail I would likely change...</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Levinux" data-cite="Levinux" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46920" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><strong>WCW: $7.5 Million</strong> <em><span style="font-size:8px;">(Nov 1997 - Mar 2001)</span></em><p> </p><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;">In late 1997, WCW did what many thing couldn't be done, and signed their competition's top talent, pretty much signalling the end of a war that has been building since the early 90s.</div><p></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"> </div><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;">» Whoever WWF's top guy is at this time, the contract will be adjusted so I can snag him in Nov 1997. Bret Hart's WCW jump was huge, despite him not being used properly. This moment in history cannot be ignored.</div></div></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Instead of this, I would somehow (maybe through use of a temporary second player), have Survivor Series 1997 end with a screwjob on whoever is the WWF Champion going in.</p><p> </p><p> It'll be interesting to see who it is and how they react. I assume they leave WWF instantly, ready to be snapped up by you, but it could also have a knock-on effect (as Bret did with Bulldog, Rude and Neidhart leaving after the Screwjob) that you might not predict? <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerglenn Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Levinux" data-cite="Levinux" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46920" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Another thing I'll need to do is (besides hoping the 1987 Golden Era mod gets ported over to TEW 2020) to figure out the best way to update the 1987 data to Nov 1988 and not have everyone's stats and popularity basically be the same as 1987, just a changed date.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Just a reminder if you plan on releasing a mod while using another mod as a base, you'll need to ask for their permission and see if they will allow you to use it.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I like the idea but will you make massive changes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makkaveli101 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I always play as WCW in real world old school mods and I've learned to always edit WWF's booker ability to 100%. AI will obviously never be as intelligent a human player - but it does mean they put on A and B shows pretty much all the time...so you don't just walk all over them from the offset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levinux Posted August 20, 2019 Author Share Posted August 20, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ShaunGBD" data-cite="ShaunGBD" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46920" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Love it<p> </p><p> I gotta ask is 7.5 million what Brett sign for</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This is what Bischoff claimed on camera.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="DevilofNG" data-cite="DevilofNG" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46920" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is an incredibly ambitious project. I <em>like</em> it. I love long dynasties, and this would definitely be a long one. I'd be interested to see how much the game world changes because with something like this we know it will. I'm game.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Right. My initial idea is based on actual history. I'm thinking of giving an account of the in game world as compared to history in between each WCW era, to identify what's different and how the game has impacted things.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="EBEZA" data-cite="EBEZA" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46920" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I love this idea, however there's just one detail I would likely change...<p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Instead of this, I would somehow (maybe through use of a temporary second player), have Survivor Series 1997 end with a screwjob on whoever is the WWF Champion going in.</p><p> </p><p> It'll be interesting to see who it is and how they react. I assume they leave WWF instantly, ready to be snapped up by you, but it could also have a knock-on effect (as Bret did with Bulldog, Rude and Neidhart leaving after the Screwjob) that you might not predict? <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This is a great idea!</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="hammerglenn" data-cite="hammerglenn" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46920" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Just a reminder if you plan on releasing a mod while using another mod as a base, you'll need to ask for their permission and see if they will allow you to use it.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I don't plan on releasing a Mod, however would never do so without permission.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Zero" data-cite="Zero" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46920" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I like the idea but will you make massive changes?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Initially, I'll try to keep with history. As we know, history will begin changing the moment I start, so it will depend on what you mean by 'massive changes'. I'll keep to the core of WCW during the time periods the best I can.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Makkaveli101" data-cite="Makkaveli101" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46920" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I always play as WCW in real world old school mods and I've learned to always edit WWF's booker ability to 100%. AI will obviously never be as intelligent a human player - but it does mean they put on A and B shows pretty much all the time...so you don't just walk all over them from the offset.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This is fantastic, I didn't even think of this. I'll absolutely be ensuring I do this before I begin.</p><p> </p><p> --</p><p> </p><p> Thank you for all the great feedback!! I wish 2020 was right around the corner so I could get started, but this game is going to be worth the wait.</p><p> </p><p> <em>--</em></p><p><em> </em><em><strong>Lev</strong></em></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makkaveli101 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Levinux" data-cite="Levinux" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46920" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is what Bischoff claimed on camera.<p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Right. My initial idea is based on actual history. I'm thinking of giving an account of the in game world as compared to history in between each WCW era, to identify what's different and how the game has impacted things.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> This is a great idea!</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> I don't plan on releasing a Mod, however would never do so without permission.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Initially, I'll try to keep with history. As we know, history will begin changing the moment I start, so it will depend on what you mean by 'massive changes'. I'll keep to the core of WCW during the time periods the best I can.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> This is fantastic, I didn't even think of this. I'll absolutely be ensuring I do this before I begin.</p><p> </p><p> --</p><p> </p><p> Thank you for all the great feedback!! I wish 2020 was right around the corner so I could get started, but this game is going to be worth the wait.</p><p> </p><p> <em>--</em></p><p><em> </em><em><strong>Lev</strong></em></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> In my game, I was playing the Rising Storms mod. Pat Patterson was the WWF booker (I think). I hadn't realised this beforehand, so I edited Vince McMahon's booking ability and reputation to 100%, added a new player as Vince McMahon as a booker then left the game. So he's now owner and booker in my game.</p><p> </p><p> It definitely makes the WWF much stronger. I also make title changes less frequent, make McMahon prefer workers with "charisma" rather than "look" so guys across the board with charisma and look like Hogan, Warrior, Hart, Michaels get the pushes and titles rather than guys like "The Warlord" or "Barbarian". I sometimes do jump in as McMahon to take titles off workers like Bushwhacker Luke as intercontinental champion. I'm finding I'm having to do this far less when I make all the above changes though. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levinux Posted August 20, 2019 Author Share Posted August 20, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Makkaveli101" data-cite="Makkaveli101" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46920" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>In my game, I was playing the Rising Storms mod. Pat Patterson was the WWF booker (I think). I hadn't realised this beforehand, so I edited Vince McMahon's booking ability and reputation to 100%, added a new player as Vince McMahon as a booker then left the game. So he's now owner and booker in my game.<p> </p><p> It definitely makes the WWF much stronger. I also make title changes less frequent, make McMahon prefer workers with "charisma" rather than "look" so guys across the board with charisma and look like Hogan, Warrior, Hart, Michaels get the pushes and titles rather than guys like "The Warlord" or "Barbarian". I sometimes do jump in as McMahon to take titles off workers like Bushwhacker Luke as intercontinental champion. I'm finding I'm having to do this far less when I make all the above changes though. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Great suggestions!</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBEZA Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I'll be honest, I'm mostly looking forward to seeing who suffers the Screwjob now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levinux Posted August 21, 2019 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 I'll be honest, I'm mostly looking forward to seeing who suffers the Screwjob now Honestly, me too. If I can set everyone's potential to 'Random' and turn on game variance, the screw job would be 9 years into the game. Plennnnnnty of time for fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatedRKO16 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 I'd vote for alternate WCW ending. But, I also like your current idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBEZA Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 I'd vote for alternate WCW ending. But, I also like your current idea. Is there any way of scripting in some sort of crippling disaster, so you're brought to the cusp of being put out of business, then seeing if you can survive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levinux Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 Is there any way of scripting in some sort of crippling disaster, so you're brought to the cusp of being put out of business, then seeing if you can survive? You an set a narrative for it, yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBEZA Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 You an set a narrative for it, yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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