Road to Glory 2020 Discussion Thread

[Bad Collin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="awesomenessofme1" data-cite="awesomenessofme1" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47775" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>100% and Better As... are mutually exclusive, so I'd think 100% would also have to give bonuses if you're the correct disposition, right? Otherwise it's strictly worse than just not having an attribute at all.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Some attributes are just negative though. I think it's to simulate people like Ricky Steamboat who could just never play heel.</p><p> </p><p> I'll add these attributes to some workers tonight see what shows up on the dirt sheet.</p>

[Derek B]

I assume Experience is also to be set to 0 too, the rules don't specify it but it seems logical.

[Bad Collin]

Yes. It's automatic if you use the quick skills tool but i'll add it to the first option too.

[Bad Collin]

I was just testing the heel/babyface thing and 8 people (!) turned up to my first show. I think this is because the wrestling industry is at 15 and my product states that attendance is strongly affected by the wrestling industry.

[Moxley]

Just to be clear, I would have to choose between Brawler, High Flyer or Technician, and Flashy Striker, Traditional Luchador etc are not allowed?

[Bad Collin]

Just to be clear, I would have to choose between Brawler, High Flyer or Technician, and Flashy Striker, Traditional Luchador etc are not allowed?

 

It's up for discussion. With skills set to average the quick skills tool gives between 20-50 points to primary skills. The top middle column determines which of these skills get points:

 

Brawler is brawling, puro, hardcore

Brawler-Wrestler is the above plus technical

Hardcore brawler gives 40-50 hardcore but lower brawling and puro

Technician gives technical

High Flyer gives aerial and flashiness

Technician-Flyer gives 40-50 technical plus between 20-50 aerial and flashiness

Luchador gives 40-50 for aerial and flashiness and 20-50 for technical

Flashy Striker gives 40-50 for brawling, puro and flashiness plus a decent amount of technical and aerial

Spot Monkey gives 40-50 for flashiness and aerial and 20-30 for hardcore

All Rounder gives 20-50 for everything

 

As you can see these settings are not equal and some are far too OP for a RTG. That's why I suggested just allowing Brawler, Technician and High Flier. I think Hardcore Brawler and Spot Monkey are probably ok too though.

 

If you wanted to create a more all round character you would need to use the first method and spread the 750 points.

[praguepride]

Just call the 750 method "easy mode" and the quick creation brawler/technician/high flyer "hard mode"

 

People who don't want the full challenge can tinker this and min/max that but those of us who want RTG because it is challenging then the more obstacles the better.

[Bad Collin]

Just call the 750 method "easy mode" and the quick creation brawler/technician/high flyer "hard mode"

 

People who don't want the full challenge can tinker this and min/max that but those of us who want RTG because it is challenging then the more obstacles the better.

 

That's how this works anyway. We have a set of rules that we agree but there's no point playing the challenge if it's not fun.

 

I looked into this a bit more and these are the maximum values for each stat for each setting:

 

 

I'm going to add Spot Monkey and Hardcore Brawler to the usable list but I think everything above High Flier is OP.

[SeverineHalo]

Do you make a backyard fed from scratch or choose one?

[ZMAN]

So like, do I just keep skipping days as the headbooker until an owner comes along? I put my awesome 0 fed out there but ain't getting any bites.

 

Edit: Disregard, it just took a minute. I now answer to Dwight Kumas. That's cool, I got a ref.

[SeverineHalo]

Also, what does 0/0/0/1000 entail? I'm new to the whole RTG thing lol

[awesomenessofme1]

Also, what does 0/0/0/1000 entail? I'm new to the whole RTG thing lol

 

0 prestige, 0 momentum, 0 popularity in any region, and $1000 to start with.

[ZMAN]

As long as I follow 0/0/0/1000 and the trainee skill generator scheme, I should be ok if I’m an eager beaver and want to document my R2G to the world and collect those trophies right?

[Bad Collin]

As long as I follow 0/0/0/1000 and the trainee skill generator scheme, I should be ok if I’m an eager beaver and want to document my R2G to the world and collect those trophies right?

 

You should be good to go my friend. Here are the final(ish) rules for 2020:

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THE ROAD TO GLORY CHALLENGE

 

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Your goal is to actively rise through the ranks of the wrestling business and star in a Big, Large or Titanic promotion's PPV main event with an 100 rating.

 

You begin as an 18 year old custom made wrestler as the Head Booker of a local created 0/0/0/1000 backyard fed. Throughout the challenge you must always be the booker not the owner as following owner goals is a key part of this challenge.

 

 

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CHARACTER STATS

 

Age: 18 (If playing the default Cornellverse your birthday should fall between January 2001 and December 2001)

 

Reputation: Lowest

Potential: Excellent in all categories or random if you wish.

 

You can allocate your skills one of two ways:

 

1. Allocate 750 skill points

 

Skills: Your character starts with Resilience 100, Reputation 50, Experience 0 and Respect 0.

You have 750 Points to spend on other skills. (No skill may exceed 75 to begin with)

 

2. Using the Quick Skill Creation tool

 

Use the following settings:

 

Top Row Left - Set to 'trainee'

Top Row Middle - Pick from Brawler, Technician, High Flier, Spot Monkey or Hardcore Brawler

Top Row Right - Set to 'Whose skills are average'

Bottom Row Left - Set to 'of average athleticism'

Bottom Row Middle - Set to 'Somewhat entertaining'

Bottom Row Right - Set to 'Who looks like a star'

 

Then click 'create'. Just should just click this once, if you are unhappy with your stats after the first click then you can create your character using method 1.

 

Then make the following changes:

 

- No skill should be higher than 75 (except resilience). If any stat is above 75 then change it to 75

- Set Resilience to 100

- Set Reputation to 50

- Set Respect to 0

- Experience should be 0

- Move points between Sex Appeal and Menace if you wish

 

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ATTRIBUTES

 

Attributes will be added via mystery boxes as the game progresses.

 

You can add up to three gimmick performance attributes (e.g. plays dominant well) as long as they are balanced out by adding the same number of negative gimmick performance attributes (e.g. Can't play comedy)

 

 

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POPULARITY

 

Set to 0 everywhere, you are starting from the bottom here.

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STARTING PROMOTION

 

It should be a 0/0/0/1000 Promotion. That means it has 0 Popularity, 0 Momentum, 0 Prestige and $1000 in the bank.

 

Edit the promotion into the database before you begin the game, it is recommended that you select an owner who will be cheap and put him on a PPA deal.

 

Choose whatever product you want for your promotion

 

 

CHANGING PROMOTIONS

 

When you are ready to move on from your starting company you can only take a booking job in a promotion 1 level larger than your current employer or your previous if you are currently unemployed. For the purposes of this challenge Big, Large and Titanic count as the same level. If you drive your promotion bankrupt then you may only accept your next position with a company of the same size or lower than they were when they closed.

 

You may not create Company Pacts unless the AI initiates them OR you get an End Of Year roll specifying that you may do so.

 

USER PREFERENCES

 

Everything that affects gameplay should be left as default, making the game that little bit harder.

 

You can change cosmetic preferences such as 'Enable coloured text' and 'Enable drag and drop booking' but not anything that affects gameplay such as 'Booking times', 'Momentum' and 'Repetitive booking penalty'.

 

If you wish you can activate the pre-booking requirements and bonuses.

 

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ACHIEVEMENTS

 

New to RTG in 2020 are achievements. Previously you would get a mystery box roll at the end of every year, now you can roll when you first achieve the following:

 

Match Grades

First Step - Earn a Match Grade of 50 or More With Your Wrestler

Taking the Next Step - Earn a Match Grade of 75 or More With Your Wrestler

Becoming Elite - Earn a Match Grade of 90 or More With Your Wrestler

Almost There - Earn a Match Grade of 99 or More With Your Wrestler

 

Event Grades

Fresh New Indie - Produce an Event Card of 50

A True Alternative - Produce an Event Card of 75

Hottest Thing In The Industry - Produce an Event Card of 90

 

Company Growth

Hello World - Work for a Tiny company

Not So Small After All - Work for a Small company

We Are The Moment - Work for a Medium company

The Road To Glory - Work for a Big company

Larger than life - Work for a Large company

Unsinkable - Work for a Titanic company

 

Power 500

Into The Bubble - Debut in the Power 500

Going Places - Break into the Top 250

Turn of A Centenary - Break into the Top 100

A Select Few- Break into the Top 50

Best of the Best- Break into the Top 10

 

Misc

Legendary Angle - Be involved in a 100 Rated Angle

Legendary Show - Book a 100 rated show

Legendary Event - Have one of your events reach Legendary importance or win the main event of an already legendary show

Legendary Year - Win wrester of the year in the annual awards

 

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THE MYSTERY BOX

 

When you complete a year or first complete an achievement, roll randomly on this list as an added bonus. This is for the RTG Challenge, but would also work to spice up normal games.

 

1. "Friends with Benefits" You gain one Working Agreement (you may try a different company if you are rejected) OR you can join an existing Alliance (assuming they let you in) OR you may invite another company to join your alliance (you may try a different company if you are rejected).

2. "War is Good for Business" Your owner demands you declare war on another promotion in the same area. (do nothing if your owner blocks you)

3. "Trusted Companion" You gain the Loyalty of one of your roster (random roll from the list of your current roster).

4. "Chance Encounter" While on holiday abroad you have befriended a wrestler and offered them a job (choose a wrestler in another regional area who is unemployed, make them active in your area and create a Strong Friendship between you and them)

5. "Lean On Me" Gain Strong Friendship with random wrestler in your promotion. Any addictions from your character's and your new friend’s attributes are set to Former.

6. "Master And Disciple” You can become the protégé of anyone 10 years or more older than you are (they must be on your roster) OR you can become the mentor of anyone 10 years or more younger than you (they must be on your roster). Randomly roll from anyone who is eligible.

7. “That Loving Feeling…” Your love life has something happen. Move along the scale from left to right, starting a new relationship with someone appropriate (according to their own preferences) on your roster. Dating->Engaged->Married->Separated->Dating->… (use your own discretion if you need to work out if they are the parent of any children you may have. IF you are separated you may choose to start dating someone else, or start over again with them)

8. "Where There’s A Will" One of your die hard fans has passed on bequeathing their worldly possessions to your promotion. Do you accept it or donate it to charity? Gain EITHER $56,609 or +5 Prestige

9. "Keeping It In The Family" Create a younger sibling wrestler aged 17 (same 750 skill point split). If you are over 32 treat this as a son/daughter

10. "Paging Dr Zahorian" Your owner thinks the roster looks a bit small. Hire a 'dirty doctor' using the backstage rules menu

11. “LEGEN… wait for it… DARY!” Gain a Best Friend relationship with someone on your roster whose picture is of them wearing a suit. If no-one on your roster is wearing a suit, you must hire someone who wears a suit and become their Best Friend anyway then add the Drinker attribute.

12. "Like A Chimney" Add "Smoker" to your characters addictions. If you have this already then upgrade to "Heavy Smoker" or "Former Smoker" if previously a Heavy Smoker.

13. “P-A-R-T-why? Cos I Gotta!” Add "Soft Drug User" to your character’s addictions. If you have this already then upgrade to "Heavy Soft Drug User" or "Former Soft Drug User" if previously a Heavy Soft Drug User.

14. “UHHHHHHH, WHAT A RUSHHHHHHHH” Add "Hard Drug User" to your character’s addictions. If you have this already then upgrade to "Heavy Hard Drug User" or "Former Hard Drug User" if previously a Heavy Hard Drug User.

15. "Painkillers are mankind's way of saying 'just watch me'" Add "Pain Killer Abuser" to your character’s addictions. If you have this already then upgrade to "Heavy Pain Killer Abuser" or "Former Pain Killer Abuser" if previously a Heavy Pain Killer Abuser.

16. "I told [WWE] to have Triple H pick me up in a limo, then we could go test together. They never asked again" Add "Steroid User" to your character’s addictions. If you have this already then upgrade to "Heavy Steroid User" or "Former Steroid User" if previously a Heavy Steroid User.

17. “I Fought The Law And The Law Won”* Add "Chequered Past" to your character's personality. If you have this already upgrade to "Often in Trouble" and if needed, "Most Wanted"

18. "Genetically Challenged" Sometimes people ARE just big boned or just can't keep the weight on - you're one of them. Randomly roll and add either the ‘Fat Genes’ or ‘Skinny Genes’ attribute to your character

19. "'Tis but a scratch" Those bumps and injuries are really starting to add up, add either Troublesome Neck, Back, Shoulder or Knee to your character

20. "My Only Addiction is Wrestling" Add "Straight Edge" to your character's addictions. Change any current addictions to Former. Future rolls that roll addictions will be lost (and unable to be rerolled)

21. “Nose To The Grindstone” You have devoted yourself to training in the ring +5 any Primary skill of your choice

22. "Fists and Feet of Fury" Heavy bag, speed bag, heavy bag, speed bag…you’ve been working hard, +5 to your Brawling, Puroresu or Hardcore skill

23. "The Man of 1004 holds!" You got stretched by a technical master, +5 to your Technical skill

24. “Aerial Assassin” You have devoted yourself to climbing that turnbuckle, +5 to your Aerial or Flashiness skill

25. “Innovator of Violence” You’ve invented a new move and it’s the talk of the industry, add “Hot New Move” to your attributes

26. “If you smeeeeeeeeeeelll!!” That new catchphrase of yours has really caught on, you heard someone in the street say it! Add “Hot New Catchphrase” to your attributes

27. “RTGdow” Everyone is in the industry is talking about your recent performances, add “Flavour of the Month” to your attributes

28. “I lost my smile” You are going through a tough time, add “Personal Issues” to your attributes

29. “The RTG Movement” The fans love you, Yes! Yes! Yes!, add “Groundswell of support” to your attributes

30. “Golden boy” You can’t put a foot wrong in the ring at the moment, add “Midas Touch” to your attributes

31. “Hit The Bricks” You live in the gym. +10 to spend on physical skills. (Athleticism, Toughness, Stamina, Power)

32. "Chance to Train" You have been offered the chance to train with a Wrestling Legend. Gain +20 points to spend on any Fundamental skill. (Basics, Selling, Consistency, Safety & Psychology)

33. “A Bumpy Ride” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Basics skill

34. “So, Tell Me About Your Mother…” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Psychology skill

35. “You Can Dance If You Wanna” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Safety skill

36. “Solid? Liquid? Gas?” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Consistency skill

37. “Snow To An Eskimo” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Selling skill

38. “Casting Call" You have been cast in a small TV show, next stop Hollywood! +5 points to spend across Charisma and Acting. Also add TV Actor to Misc for your character. If previously your character had "TV Actor" add "Movie Star"

39. "The Real Rock n' Rolla" You've filled in for a band member one night, who now wants to you tour with them as a result. +5 points to spend across Charisma and Microphone. Also add Musician to Misc for your character. If rolled 3 times upgrade to Famous Musician

40. "As Real As It Gets" The World of Professional Fighting called you out and you delivered. Add +5 between Toughness and Menace. Add either MMA Fighter, Boxer or Pro Martial Artist to your character

41. "Runaway Runway" Can't always be easy being a wrestler, at least you've got your modelling career to fall back on. +5 points to spend between Sex Appeal and Star Quality. Add Modelling Experience to your character

42. “They Love Me… They Hate Me…" You have gotten better at making the fans cheer for you or boo you. Can increase either your Babyface or Heel Performance by one stage (Base -> Better -> Amazing etc.)

43. "This here's what you call Domination" You've discovered a new found ability to Dominate, add "Plays Dominant Well" and “Squash Master” to your attributes

44. “Super Awesome Wrestling-A-Go-Go: Electric Boogaloo” You are suddenly hilarious, add "Plays Comedy Well" and “Comedy worker” to your attributes

45. “It’s Not Arrogance If You Can Back It Up” You've now got a bit of swagger in your step, add "Plays Swagger Well" and “Selfish Performer” to your attributes

46. "Living the Gimmick" You are now comfortable playing a role and you know it takes time to build a story, add "Plays Gimmicky/Cartoonish Well" and “Slow and Steady” to your attributes

47. "Fight Anyone" You never back down, add "Plays Badass Well" and “Dynamo” to your attributes

48. “Train, Fight, Hurt People, Repeat” Everything you do looks like it hurts, add "Plays Legitimate Well" and “Explosive ring style” to your attributes

49. "It's not the size of the dog, it's the size of the fight" You now like fighting from underneath, add "Plays Weasely/Underdog Well" and “Giving Performer” to your attributes

50. "Grounded in Reality" You've discovered a new found ability to play Realistic gimmicks and prefer to have back up, add "Plays Realistic Well" and “Tag Team Specialist” to your attributes

51. "He's got the whole world in his hands" You've discovered a new found ability to play Mysterious/Occult gimmicks, add "Plays Mysterious/Occult Well" and “High pain threshold” to your attributes

52. "Marching to their own beat" You are now a few sandwiches short of a picnic, add "Plays Offbeat/Unstable Well" and “Scatter-brained” to their attribute

53. "Step Into The Light" You get your 15 minutes of fame. +5 Pop across entire base country

54. "Internet Sensation" One of your wrestlers (random roll from the list) has become an internet video hit due to a pirate recording of his last match. +2 pop for your company in every area that you already have popularity in and +10 pop for the wrestler in all areas

 

 

If you are looking for an online way to roll a custom sided dice, Id suggest here http://www.brockjones.com/dieroller/dice.htm (Look under Full Roll).

 

Random.org is also very useful for random numbers: https://www.random.org/

 

Alternatively, you can use a deck of cards to roll for you as the numbers have been deliberately limited so that you can use a standard deck plus jokers to do the roll for you.

 

Any last calls for changes? I want to post this up as soon as the game drops

 

Thanks to everyone for suggestions.

[awesomenessofme1]

You should be good to go my friend. Here are the final(ish) rules for 2020:

 

 

Any last calls for changes? I want to post this up as soon as the game drops

 

Thanks to everyone for suggestions.

 

Couple things:

 

1) There's at least a few typos I saw. "Hotting Thing In The Industry" should be "Hottest". This is petty, but to do the quote for #19 accurately, it should either be "'Tis but a scratch" or "It's just a flesh wound".

 

2) I'd probably add a note saying that if you want an additional challenge, you can set the game to require pre-booking, but not with bonuses.

 

3) I'd repeat that I really think you should be able to start with a few basic performance attributes, but I've made that clear.

 

4) Maybe add another achievement for booking a show with 100 quality?

 

5) Maybe add another achievement for hitting #1 on the Power 500?

 

6) Need to clarify what it means for "one of your events to reach legendary importance". What if you just join a company that already has one?

[Bad Collin]

Couple things:

 

1) There's at least a few typos I saw. "Hotting Thing In The Industry" should be "Hottest". This is petty, but to do the quote for #19 accurately, it should either be "'Tis but a scratch" or "It's just a flesh wound".

 

2) I'd probably add a note saying that if you want an additional challenge, you can set the game to require pre-booking, but not with bonuses.

 

3) I'd repeat that I really think you should be able to start with a few basic performance attributes, but I've made that clear.

 

4) Maybe add another achievement for booking a show with 100 quality?

 

5) Maybe add another achievement for hitting #1 on the Power 500?

 

6) Need to clarify what it means for "one of your events to reach legendary importance". What if you just join a company that already has one?

 

 

If we're going to be pedantic then a couple is only two things...

 

1. Thanks, these rules have been written by a lot of people over a number of years so any corrections are appreciated. Plus, it's always important to quote Python correctly

2. I'll add something about this. I think if you enable pre-booking you should get the bonuses too. I'm not sure how powerful these bonuses are though.

3. I'm waiting for more feedback on this

4. Thanks, added

5. I've got a plan for this, watch this space

6. It's always been hard to get jobs with big companies so I think you should be able to unlock this achievement this way. I have added a bit extra to this wording for this one.

[SeanMcG]

Still would like to be able to start with an attribute. If you're worried about powergaming then make it from a certain selection.

[TheEffect]

So made my character using the quick creation, chose Technician with 75 in menace, thank god for randomized gods.

 

I think Mexico may be the easiest this year in c verse

[Bad Collin]

Still would like to be able to start with an attribute. If you're worried about powergaming then make it from a certain selection.

 

What did you have in mind?

 

Powergaming is not the issue but I don't want any choices on here which you would be stupid not to take. The idea is to have varied characters as much as possible.

 

I think people can choose a few attributes (max three?) that help gimmicks as long as they choose an equal number of negative gimmick attributes. It's in the spirit of the challenge as we were able to choose gimmick performance stats under the previous system.

 

Personally i'm going to wait for the mystery boxes and see how my character develops.

[TheEffect]

Sorry r the match grade achievements only for matches u r involved in?

[CRDaredevil05]

Super excited for this!

 

As a HoF from 2016's RTG, I've been watching this thread and getting more and more excited to attempt it again in 2020. Very much a fan of the new changes and can't wait to see how things end up!

[Bad Collin]

Sorry r the match grade achievements only for matches u r involved in?

 

Excellent question. My assumption was that it would be only for matches you are involved in but reading the descriptions again it looks like Sean McG intended these to be for any matches within your promotion.

 

I'm going to make it clearer that these are your matches and re-jig them a bit. I think that if the matches don't involve you it might be too easy to get these achievements.

[Bad Collin]

As a HoF from 2016's RTG, I've been watching this thread and getting more and more excited to attempt it again in 2020. Very much a fan of the new changes and can't wait to see how things end up!

 

I've got a plan for some post-challenge achievements this time around.

[hlg.]

This is gonna be a very nice ramification for my first TEW2020 save. I just wanna thank everybody for all the work that has been put into this.

Thank you!

[Bad Collin]

What kind of matches should be allowed to complete the challenge? Last time around three challenges were completed with tags and one with singles.

 

Should I specify tags and singles only? Or even just singles?