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I think at this point they should just give up on shoving Brodus Clay down our throats. It may have worked if he debuted a month ago when it was initially announced but now he's just a joke. Unless he comes out and totally annihilates Cena in 2 minutes to the point where Cena is stretchered out the debut will never live up to all of this hype and he will disappear in far less time than it took him to appear.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="1234" data-cite="1234" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Were the commentators saying that Henry has never tapped, or is that something you just added? Because:<p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6UlQ1E-yJ4" rel="external nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6UlQ1E-yJ4</a></p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiuWOvusSUs&feature=related" rel="external nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiuWOvusSUs&feature=related</a></p><p> </p><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="150" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/OEUli5XGbWE?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="John Cena STFU on Mark Henry"></iframe></div></div><p> </p><p> And I am sure there are more.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's something I just would assume should anyone make Henry tap during his current run that the announcers would make a point to say....whether it's true or not. It would make sense too to make a big deal about anyone making him tap during this current run seeing as he's pretty much the unbeatable monster right now.</p>

<p>Honestly I loved Survivor Series but WWE really dropped the ball on 3 major points where they had the moment, momentum, and crowd response to finally solidify 2 new stars and reinvent 1 and they failed to do anything with any of them.</p><p> </p><p> The crowd was hot all night for Zack Ryder and were literally begging for WWE to finally pull the trigger and push him but instead of doing so and either throwing in an impromptu match with Dolph for the US title or sending him out to replace Sin Cara following his injury they really did nothing with him aside from his "look I'm really here" moment where he came out really just to appease the crowd.</p><p> </p><p> Then when Big Show took out Mark Henry the crowd immediately started begging for Daniel Bryan to run in and cash in and they had the perfect chance. Henry's down with an injury, Bryan runs in, hooks in a heel hook, Henry has no choice but to tap, the crowd goes insane, and Bryan looks like a monster slayer being the first person to ever make Mark Henry tap out. Then they could even build it with Henry complaining about already being injured, make Bryan look weak for pouncing, then at TLC in the rematch Bryan makes Henry tap again. Right there 2 months and 2 matches and WWE has a new legit main event star with little to no real build up but 2 incredible feats that he can ride on for months while he's built up officially.</p><p> </p><p> Then through the entire main event the crowd was begging for a Cena turn and honestly based on Cena's reaction to their reaction to him it actually looked like it was going to happen. Cena for the first time actually looked like the crowd was getting to him during the final show down with The Rock before the Rock Bottom. Cena was teasing it, The Rock was egging it on, and the crowd was perfect to react to it. If Cena had just hit the AA as Rock got down off the ropes then posed over an unconscious Rock not only would he immediately be the top heel but he'd actually be relevant again for the first time in years.</p><p> </p><p> On a side note....I'm begging Cena to please stop trying to throw a drop kick. I swear he has the worst drop kicks I have ever seen and it does nothing to help his case when he's trying to prove he can wrestle then he throws a drop kick that's about as good as a Rebecca Black song.</p><p> </p><p> Overall it was a good PPV but it didn't have that MSG feel of being something truly special. It needed that one WOW moment and being the 20th anniversary of Taker's debut, the chance to give a possible future super star his first major title reign, the perfect crowd to make the top face into the top heel they had the perfect crowd to make any of those 3 moments (Taker's return, Dragon's first world title, or Cena's heel turn) into that WOW moment that makes MSG shows so special.</p>

If I'm not mistaken though they don't get suspended for weed just find $2,500 or something like that. My guess would be pain killers or muscle relaxers this time around.

It doesn't make the champ look weak but when the champ is in the middle of a major losing streak and only wins the belt because his opponent is knocked out it makes the championship look extremely weak and strips it of what meaning the Punk/Cena feud had given it.

For a PPV that was horrible. First after every other match we were treated to 2 or 3 commercials...yes some people actually paid $50 to watch a show full of commercials. If I was one of them I'd be screaming refund. I'm not about to pay $50 for a 3 hour RAW when I get 3 or 4 of them a year for free. Second that was the single worst ending in the history of WWE. Did they really just spend 3 months building CM Punk just so he could put over ADR and Kevin Nash? That's horrendous! They spent 3 months making CM Punk into the top babyface in the company only to bury him to washed up has been who's best days were 15 years ago. I'm done with WWE's nonsense I can't wait to see Punk again in ROH when WWE's done using him to make the has-beens and never-should-have-beens look like Gods while making sure Punk comes out of it looking like a midcarder who got lucky.

...and a title match as the last match. And HHH was a baby face authority who was actually entertaining. Yes, I do believe this is the end. The final sign is Daniel Bryan winning the World title, then the final combustion.

Zack Ryder!!!

The line of the night is easily R-Truth calling HHH crazy for talking to imaginary people then turning to talk to imaginary people. I love the Truth character.

When did WWE become late '90s WCW? Bait and switch pt2. First last week with the main event then this week with CM Punk becoming JR. This is getting really annoying.

Uh oh...they just promised Hunter is going announce a major return and hinted at Punk...which means it's not Punk and will most likely be a huge disappointment.

I really doesn't at all and the sad thing is it doesn't even make sense when Cena's holding it now because he's not even doing the rap schtick anymore. They need to make a new more traditional belt if they ever want the WWE title to be taken more seriously than the World title which is what it seems like they really want.

Spin or not there's still the stigma attached to that title...just like the New Generation era belt will always be the Winged Eagle the current gen belt will always be the Spinner rather it spins or not it still looks like crap and what's worse is it started out as a gimmick belt and yet it doesn't even fit the originator's gimmick anymore. It's like if they had kept the Smoking Skull belt around even after Austin lost it.

You spoke to soon...but I'm sure you already knew that.

Only technically. From the looks of there's maybe a few very minor changes but it's still basically the same POS we've had for years now. Seeing that officially kills my excitement for the entire story. Unless Punk runs out and trashes the "new" title then I'm done thinking this story is going anywhere but back to Cena being the face of the show as always.

Is it just me or does the one shadow in the background look like someone holding a gun to their own head? Please tell I'm not the only one who sees that.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Evan Bourne or R-Truth wins the RAW MITB.

Having Daniel Bryan cash in MITB just to lose would be the biggest waste of all time. I doubt they would put in the effort to build him like that only to have him lose. The way I see it going is R-Truth wins the RAW MITB, challenges Punk after he beats Cena...R-Truth is the first to cash in and lose...then in a desperate act Vince sends Bryan out who cashes in, wins, then sides with team ROH and hands the belt back to Punk (if there is some sort of invasion) or Bryan cashes in and wins either moving him back to RAW or setting up the eventual unification we've heard so much about possibly with him taking on Orton at Summer Slam.

I'd love to see Punk actually make it out of Chicago with the belt, perhaps with Cabana distracting the MITB winner so Punk can leave before he can cash in so they don't just waste it, then show Punk going around the indys with the belt and Vince getting more furious each week until the MITB winner finally shows up at a ROH or FCW show Punk is on and cashes in beating him there for the title. I can see Cena maybe taking a month or two off as part of the story then just reappearing as if nothing happened to take the title back from whoever beats Punk for it.

100% agreed. Hopefully they've learned something from this and realize just how much they need the X division to be the focus of the company.

I don't buy the name power thing on Gen Me vs. Young/Sharky I just watched it for what it was meant to be, a fun semi-comedy match. Abyss/Kendrick was building on the story they've been telling for the past month or so with Abyss. It was slow because he was showing his dominance. The blood from the punch to me made since because of where it was, in reality it's not the hard to split an eyebrow if you hit it right. I agree on Williams/Haskins though. They should have brought in a bigger name there. As far as openers go Kaz/Joe was a killer match, not 5* but easily 3*. I was really disappointed in Mania. The only good match was Taker/HHH in my opinion. But that seems to be the way Mania is now...one amazing match and 9 sub-par - terrible matches. This to me as been wrestling as I know it...mostly clean finishes, straight up athletic bouts, stories that didn't involve 1000 restarts, run ins, and ref bumps. In my opinion this is the best PPV in a long time.

As long as the main ends clean I'm saying this is the best PPV put on by either WWE or TNA in the past 2 years at least.

I never cared much for Skipper. I'd much rather see either Shiima or Evans win and see what a fresh face in can do.

I seriously believe the two main events alone (AJ/Daniels and RVD/Lynn) will make it well worth the $35 price tag so I didn't hesitate to actually pay for it making it my first PPV since Mania that I've paid for and my first TNA PPV since Hardcore Justice. I'm predicting this to be the best PPV of the year.

It's been stated numerous times from numerous sources that PPV buy-rates are way down for WWE from where they were a couple of years ago and that TNA was barely breaking even on most of their PPVs. I'll admit, I don't know how much of it is true or really how good or bad it is. I'm just saying based on the way TNA books towards PPV's and if it is true they are barely breaking even on them then it would seem to me that it would be more feasible financially to run major shows bi-monthly on Spike perhaps even build to them like they do PPV's and run them head to head with RAW or Smackdown.