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Oh thank God I'm not the only one. I second this request! Totally minor, but you can't have Hulkamania! without the Booty Man. Unrelated very small note: Big Vito is listed as Other American. Unless I'm mistaken I think he's just a white guy.

Very excited to see Hulkamania Wrestling Federation belts in the pack. I love doing insane Hulkamania saves and now I may start with that!

If this is really the last, I'm glad you chose this month for be the one to go out on, because this is by far one of the most interesting times to be a fan in a while and there's so many places the wrestling world could go from here. Hope that no matter which mod you choose to work on going forward you enjoy it more. And if you choose to work on nothing at all then I hope you love that too.

Agreed. While I love the flavor of being able to, say, run a New England Championship Wrestling: Live on NESN! the local syndication options are probably better and easier for the AI to deal with.

Oh hey, literally just opened the thread to see if this had been posted yet! Excited to dive in. Grabbed the 1.00 data but didn't have a chance to start a game this weekend, looking forward to digging in proper.

In the US, Grimm SoCal Wrestling or Pittsburgh Steel Wrestling are probably your best straight-up Hardcore promotions. DAVID is also an option but they're Crash TV so it's a little less like what you're looking for, but could still be fun. In Canada there's pretty much just Independent Women Wrestling, all-women's hardcore. If you're feeling Deathmatchy there's always WEXXV or WQ2020 in Japan. I prefer those to the others but I'm more of a deathmatch guy so ymmv. You could also dig through the Yet To Open promotions in the database and activate one of them early, there's definitely some in there though I'm not familiar enough with them to make a suggestion.

Sad to see it end but also totally understandable. The 1986 mod is a silver lining for sure. I'm anxiously awaiting that.

I know members of the team have referred to a document that had some of the old Thunderverse promotions and what their products would have been by TEW2020 standards. Might be worth asking in the T-Verse discord if anyone still has that. That might at least give you something to go off of when you read about the promotions in the Bios.

Great mod! Glad to see it finally released, venues are one of those things I really love for the flavor but most people seem to not care too much about so I'm glad I no longer need to mod a bunch of venues in for my AWA games. One small note is the Worcester Memorial Auditorium doesn't have a closing date set, but it's essentially been vacant for years. I don't think it's hosted wrestling or much of anything else since like 2000 at the latest. There's been talk of reopening it and using it for something in recent years, but COVID happened and nothing's really come of it since.

Ooooooh that Pro Wrestling America addition has me excited. Lot of potential for running that company.

Okay, so, tentatively, I think I've fixed the problem with the hiring sprees. Or at least the ones for the WWF and JCP, I haven't messed too much with the Japanese promotions. (Although turning off weight split as mentioned above does help.) I don't want to upload a full-on database without Leeroybrown's permission, but if anyone's interested this seems to be how to solve it. Or at least severely mitigate it. The problem stems (which I think I mentioned in either this thread or the other Risky Business thread) from the game's minimum roster size. If you open the editor and go to the WWF there's a button on the bottom left that says "Estimated Roster." If you click that you'll see that in the default Risky Business database the WWF has ten wrestlers less than what the AI considers to be the "minimum value." Jim Crockett promotions is six under. (World Class is actually, like, 20+ under, but given that they're supposed to be a company on the downswing I think that makes sense.) When companies don't meet this minimum value they will hire workers until they do, and if they have the money they'll just hire the best workers they can to exclusive deals. So how do you solve this? Jobbers. Bring up any listing of WWF/Jim Crockett shows from January 85 and there's tons of guys being used regularly by the companies who don't have contracts in the DB. If you add them to their respective companies it greatly reduces the effects of that initial WWF hiring spree and helps keep the game a little more balanced and realistic. You might still lose Rick Martel or Jimmy Garvin as the AWA, but you won't lose your entire main event scene anymore. So who should you add? Glad you asked. WWF Alexis Smirnoff Swede Hanson Blackjack Mulligan Johnny Rodz Salvatore Bellomo SD Jones Bob Bradley Terry Gibbs Rene Goulet Charlie Fulton George Wells Barry Orton/Barry O Jose Luis Rivera Paul Roma Jim Crockett Promotions Buzz Tyler Doug Vines Tommy Lane Jeff Sword Steve Dane (worked as Steve Casey, but there's already someone with that name in the DB, I changed it, but obviously you don't have to.) Ray Candy (as Kareem Muhammad) You'll have to alter Steve Dane since he's not set to debut in the DB until September, but he was working JCP shows as Steve Casey in January. All of these guys are wrestlers who worked for the WWF and JCP pretty regularly throughout '85, some of them hundreds of times, so I'm not padding the companies out with randoms or anything. You could also stand to add more women to the WWF, but since a lot of the women they hire on that initial spree are people who were working for them already at the time like Winona Little Heart I didn't consider it a huge deal, but I might edit this later to add a list of women if you want to keep it accurate.

Yeah, it's totally playable. There's an initial hiring spree from WWF and Crockett that can't really be avoided, as far as I know, but it's not too bad. And AJPW and NJPW usually do one, too that you can mitigate (per. Dalton) by turning the weight split off and just making sure the weight limits on the titles are accurate since with the split they end up hiring way too much talent. I'd also recommend altering any venues/locations that have Minnesota as being in the Mid-West so that they're in the Great Lakes as Embee mentioned above since the AWA is basically already set up as if that's the case. But other than that it works fine.

If anyone wanted to play NWA you'd also have to rearrange the Crockett Cup dates cause they've got a 2022 winner but are still scheduled to take place in a couple weeks. But it seems like the rosters and such are all set.

So, I don't know if this is exactly the answer, but I know this is also a thing that used to happen on the Thunderverse 2016 conversion that was floating around for 2020 before the actual Thunderverse Rey de Reyes release, so I'll try to explain what I remember from that thread cause I can't seem to find it. If I'm remembering right it has something to do with minimum roster sizes, and I think the problem is two-fold. 1) The AI likes to have a certain number above the limit to make sure that if people get hurt it still has enough people to put on shows. 2) The number in 2020 is higher than it was in 2016, so sometimes when mods are remade for 2020, if they use the same roster as the 2016 version (or even if they just don't have enough people to satisfy the AI's demands) it'll just hire a bunch of people. And the big players will almost exclusively use written contracts just because they can even if it isn't realistic to the time period. I might be wrong, but I think this is at least partially correct. I guess you could potentially try padding out the rosters of the big players with PPA contracts and see if that potentially stops the hiring spree? Just like find some jobbers the WWF used at the time and add them there. Find some guys All-Japan took on tour and add them there? I don't know if it'll work though, I'm just spitballing.