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  1. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Could potentially have Daniel Bryan win the title in the Elimination Chamber and defend it against Dave at Wrestlemania.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Batista/Orton</p><p> Cena/Wyatt</p><p> Punk/HHH</p><p> Bryan/Sheamus.</p><p> </p><p> It's already planned, and it's f'n stupid.</p>
  2. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shawnbill5000" data-cite="shawnbill5000" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So. Thoughts on Batista winning the rumble?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I would say the chances of Batista winning the Rumble are 100 percent. CM Punk will do the iron man thing likely being there at the end but Batista wins this, faces Orton and beats Orton at Wrestlemania. No way this doesn't happen.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This is indeed what is going to happen.</p>
  3. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rayelek" data-cite="Rayelek" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Anyone else a little disapponted that the Release Powerbomb on Del Rio was called a Batista Bomb? I much prefer the Sit-Out Powerbomb and hope that he uses that rather than the ugly release version on Raw.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> His Sit-Out version was always botchy and silly looking.</p>
  4. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The logical explanation is that they want Brock to be booed so they can't just have him come out and murder guys, that will turn him face as soon as he goes up against someone the crowd doesn't like. Since he's still got probably the best legit athlete resume in the past 50 years, he can afford to look a bit silly on TV so that it's not a foregone conclusion that he's winning his match on Sunday.<p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> The first paragraph is pretty true, the second is pretty out there. There were tons of great matches in the Attitude era. They did a better job of creating new stars, since they pretty much had to, but it was a lucky coincidence that they also had a bunch of great wrestlers who were waiting for a break.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You can only make someone look weak so many times before weak is all people see.</p><p> </p><p> Agree with the second paragraph completely. It may not have been the best "technical wrestling" I've ever seen, but Kane, Taker, Rock, Austin, Trips, Angle, Jericho, and so on and so forth down through much of that roster, put on some amazing matches quality and story wise. Exciting matches almost every night.</p>
  5. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="dpoolez" data-cite="dpoolez" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Its pretty easy to dissect WWE booking IMO. It's the show before their PPV event. They have to make the guy thats going to lose look strong going into his loss. Otherwise, if he looks weak before taking a loss, its almost like double the damage kayfabe wise. It's actually kinda smart when you think about it that way.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I get Show coming out on top the show before the PPV. It just seems like Show and Brock would both benefit more from a GOOD brawl, back and forth, won by Show. Brock being a wuss does little for either man.</p>
  6. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>No problem at all.<p> </p><p> On the topic of secondary titles, at least TNA doesn't call the Television title the Global Championship any more. I like the name, but not as a secondary championship to a World Championship since ya know, global=world. </p><p> </p><p> I can't believe TNA hasn't retired that belt though. When was the last time Abyss even appeared with it or that it was even mentioned? My viewings of TNA have been sporadic at best.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It gets mentioned from time to time now, with the Joseph Park storyline starting to come to it's conclussion.</p>
  7. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You do know that the continents represented by the IC title are North America and South America right? Pat Patterson "unified" his North American Championship with a fictional South American Championship to create it.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Was not aware of that. Thanks for the explanation. Always figured they meant all the continents.</p>
  8. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="DaMegaFish" data-cite="DaMegaFish" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>In regards to companies calling titles World Titles, I always just rather assume it relates to their roster, not particularly where they defend the title. The person is the World champion because in kayfabe rosters would typically have THE top competitors from all over the world competing for it. <p> </p><p> Kayfabe is real, dammit. The top guy is the best because every company has the best worldwide roster assembled (assuming they pretend no other wrestling companies exist...which is usually how they play things) and they are the best of the best.</p><p> </p><p> No, I can't explain what a United States champion is with this logic.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Honestly, United States does make sense to be a secondary championship in that regard. Far more so than an "Intercontinental" title.</p>
  9. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I dont see how people can think Bryan "joining" the Wyatts would be bad in any fashion. Bray and his boys have looked like idiots for months constantly losing to Punk and Bryan and they finally have some juice to run with now instead of just being full of empty threats. On the other side, Bryan presumably is changing for the time being with months before WM and its pretty obvious he will turn back soon enough, and when he does it will have him in a better place than when he started. I don't know what else the story can do since he's obviously not booked in the WWE title match so working with Bray before snapping out of it at the Rumble seems to be the way to go.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They could always just have Bryan be another lackey in the group and make him look weak again. It is the WWE, burying people is second nature. That said, I'm glad he joined the Wyatt's and gave them some steam. It could be a much needed boost if they book it right.</p><p> </p><p> Of course, I booked the entire thing five months ago and have bullet points for how it all goes down. As long as they don't botch the ending, it should leave everyone better off. Some things have happened out of order and my prediction for Mania puts another out of order, but it's so close to what I have on paper I've debated pressing charges.<img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>
  10. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well at least they're getting Cena vs Orton out of the way before WM. Only way Punk or Bryan don't main event WM is if Batista or Lesnar win the Rumble. Or they throw a curveball and someone like Sheamus or Reigns wins the Rumble.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I really don't get the point behind bringing Batista back, at all. We have Brock, we have Reigns, what role is Batista going to fill here? He's just another jacked up guy who couldn't hold a candle to Brock on his best day and Brock's worst, and any good that could've come from a return has been tossed away by advertising his return a month in advance, and then bringing Brock back out of nowhere right in the middle of said hype.</p>
  11. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Punk vs The Shield and Bryan vs The Wyatts is good for business.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Cept, now it's not Bryan vs. The Wyatts. Hope is for Bryan to use the Wyatt's up through the rumble and his whole turn being him using them to get himself the rumble win and Mania title shot.</p><p> </p><p> Then all we have to hope for is Punk winning at EC, and we might have a Mania main event worth watching this year. Given the rule of Mania main events, it can't be Bryan vs. Cena or Orton. It can't be Cena vs. Orton. Severly limits what's left that could actually main event the biggest show of the year.</p>
  12. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I can see that point of view and yet I've seen a lot of complaints that there was only 1 TLC match on the TLC PPV. So there is a portion of fans that care about the content matching the tagline.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They couldn't have other weapon spots during the show or Cena/Orton would've been complete garbage by comparison. No one else using anything is the only thing that saved that match from being a complete joke of a main event. Even in the Miz/Kof impromptu Street Fight, not one weapon was used.</p>
  13. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It was literally the first segment. The show opened back stage with Dixie talking to Pacman. <p> </p><p> What pointless segments are you referring to? Compared to the majority of modern wrestling, especially TNA's product, last night was fairly streamlined.</p><p> </p><p> It was a highly enjoyable show. At least I thought so.</p><p> </p><p> There were only two segments with Pacman. The opening segment and the Bad Influence segment.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Ah. Missed the first couple of minutes wrapping up work for my break. First time I saw him was the shot in the crowd. Just struck me as odd that Tenay and Taz both seemed surprised at the body slams.</p><p> </p><p> Last night just seemed like a LOT of talking. Not just involving him, but in general. Seems like since BFG, we've been given an awful lot of segments, and it's kind of taken me back out of the excitement I had coming into this past couple of weeks.</p><p> </p><p> Were several times I thought about going back to work early and not bothering to watch the rest of the show.</p>
  14. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>They did acknowledge it. Dixie repeatedly told him "welcome home, welcome back!" and Pacman said "It's good to be back, I've missed ya'll!".</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Must've dozed off from the endless stream of pointless segments. Didn't hear the commentary team mention it during the whole thing happening. Acted like they were shocked either knew a wrestling move.</p>
  15. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="LordJaguar" data-cite="LordJaguar" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If Pac Man and Dequin? got beat up it would make news too, they didn't need to go over 2 actual wrestlers. In the words of Jake Roberts, Kaz and Daniels have to wrestle for a living, Pac Man doesn't!</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Let's be fair, no credibility was lost.</p><p> </p><p> The only real stupid part about the whole deal was the lack of acknowledging Pac Man's past with TNA.</p><p> </p><p> Two football players vs. two wrestlers? Even if you try to make it "real", football players are TOUGH, man. They could hold their own.</p>
  16. What's going on with TNA being up for sale? Any leads on who may buy them or how much the company might be going for? Is WWE considering buying it for the video library? Can't imagine WWE using them for anything other than the library.

     

    Lets be honest. It really can't be selling for that much, given the condition the promotion is in at the moment. WCW sold for barely anything, and I'd have to believe it was in slightly better standing than TNA currently is.

     

    I've heard a lot of talk about Spike potentially picking it up, but so far that's just been talk without any real fact to back it up. I've had a couple of conversations with my boss about finding out the specifics. If it's cheap enough and Spike's going to keep it on the air, it could be worth getting an offer on the table.

  17. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The original uploader on Youtube works for WWE and is trying to get them taken down.<p> </p><p> The one with Neville, Breeze & Dawson is still live: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HFY5cJ-3X14" rel="external nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HFY5cJ-3X14</a></p><p> </p><p> There's also a funny one with Paige and Bayley if you can find it.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah. People don't manage to keep NXT shows up long. I can only get full shows the day after.</p>
  18. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="D-Lyrium" data-cite="D-Lyrium" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26106" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah, the free streaming was only advertised quite close to the event, I guess so that people actually went to see it live. ¬_¬ There's no replay of it for the same reasons I guess (free replays would probably tank DVD sales <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />).<p> </p><p> It was more of a test for the new streaming hardware I think, rather than a "hey, let's give people a free PPV". They probably didn't intend to stream it until quite late on.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Want people to come watch it live?</p><p> </p><p> Remind them how absolutely god awful your stream quality is. All that's really needed. Still can't believe a company BUILT on internet fame, can't hold a show on the internet without serious issues throughout.</p>
  19. <p>Poor Archie.<img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

    Mean old Ryback.<img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

  20. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Greylocke" data-cite="Greylocke" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>As 2 other guys have already pointed out, the opposition didn't appear on the SECOND night of the heel stable's debut, which is what you seem to be expecting. How do you know that a group won't eventually form to oppose this new Shield/HHH/Orton faction? You may be skeptical about whether this will happen in the long run, and there's nothing wrong with that, but to complain about it not happening in the second night is <em>really</em> reaching.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Most other heel stables didn't call out the ENTIRE ROSTER the second night of it's debut and make them all look pathetic.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Greylocke" data-cite="Greylocke" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Weren't you the one who was saying "They can't fire everyone! If everybody walks down the ramp against the bullies they will win!" So which do you want to happen? The entire roster coming down to Bryan's rescue and completely neuter the heel stable on the second night of their debut and "look like bad guys for using numbers?" Or a few select babyfaces to do that and get fired, because while McMahon can't fire EVERYONE, he can jolly well fire the 3-4 babyfaces that may be thinking of helping Bryan out.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If everyone the SHIELD jumped decided to jump them back at the same time, it'd be turn about is fair play. Until now, they weren't spitting in the face of EVERYONE on the roster in one night. It's not even about helping Bryan. It's about not standing there like a female dog doing nothing while 3 pansies, the guy who could never hold number 2, and a retired guy in a suit purposely involve all of you just to teach you you're nothing.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Greylocke" data-cite="Greylocke" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Remember how the Big Show was willing to go down on his knees and cry and plead for Laurinaitis not to fire him? I know Stone Cold set up the fantasy image of how the good guys must always rebel against the evil boss, but realistically, such characters should be extremely rare. Most people simply won't risk their jobs that way, especially not for a guy who probably wasn't even their friend. I can see rare circumstances like the Usos being willing to stick out their neck for each other, but I don't see anyone (kayfabewise) who would do that for Bryan besides possibly Kane. At this point, HHH and Orton hasn't done enough harm to the rest of the roster yet to trigger that kind of reaction.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They've taken away everyone's ability to have an opinion and made them all stand on the stage and lose whatever dignity they may have had left. Far more insulting than any attack on any of them would be. If you're not going to fight for your dignity, what are you going to fight for?</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Greylocke" data-cite="Greylocke" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>They'll only lose credibility if:<p> </p><p> 1) The bully is actually portrayed as a good guy/babyface;</p><p> 2) The face commentators are making the bullies out to be role models and condone their actions;</p><p> OR </p><p> 3) The bullies end up winning the war and go unpunished.</p><p> </p><p> Those conditions may have happened for some of the other storylines, but for this current on we're talking about, 1 and 2 hasn't happened, and it's too soon make statements on 3. That'll be like picking up a fairytale book, reading only the first 2 chapters, and then go on to complain "Hey, this book is a bad example to kids because the bad guys don't get punished and get away with all the bad stuff they did!", despite the fact that the ending of the book may very well have ended with the bad guys getting their comuppance.</p><p> </p><p> Are you <em>seriously</em> expecting the WWE to erase every trace and element of bullying from their angles and storylines? That's what heel stables are all about, using their numbers to bully the weak! Or that everytime they use that number advantage they should <em>immediately</em> have their advantage nullified because, hey, we can't have an episode end with the big bad bullies getting the upper hand!??</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> With 2 natural heel announcers trying to be faces during this, they're doing a horrible job. Neither have even seemed all that upset by the situation.</p><p> </p><p> I don't expect bullying to be gone. I do expect a bunch of grown men who travel the country preaching standing up for what is right to stand up for what is right. Not doing anything basically tells kids they've been lying, and standing up to bullies is a bad idea. It's just going to end worse for you.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Greylocke" data-cite="Greylocke" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>To me, one of the many things that really weakened the Nexus' image as a threat was the fact that on the <em>second</em> week of their debut, John Cena summoned a bunch of allies and immediately neutered their one and only strength, numbers. Something like that should only happen near the end of the storyline, where all individual attempts at tackling the stable by themselves have failed. If you're going to throw water on the Wicked Witch in the 1st or 2nd chapter, you might as well just end the story right there. Daniel Bryan is the protangonist now, let him be the sole underdog in the spotlight standing against the bullies for now, and see how things go down in the future.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You don't know how things are going to go down?</p><p> </p><p> Bryan wins the belt at Survivor Series. Orton wins the belt back at Royal Rumble. The rumble then becomes a battle to see who takes on Orton at Mania to finally put an end to this stable. Cena makes a huge return during it, wins it, and goes on to defeat Orton at Mania to become champion yet again and ensure the world knows that only he can stop fore... er, defeat evil.</p>
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