PeterHilton

*i* agree but i think the people who defend McDaniels would say "well football is a business, Cutler shouldn't have been so sensitive, etc" and i think there's a point there too.

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA.... In other news... http://www.latimes.com/news/la-sp-1207-simers-20101207,0,3593738.column?track=rss More whispers about the Chargers moving. That stadium isn't getting built in SD so this seems inevitable.

I honestly think Tebow will never be a reliable NFL starter and if you traded three picks to get a 'short yardage specialist' you deserve to be fired. But beyond that - since i'm sure the Broncos still hope Tebow will pan out - there were other questionable personnel decisions. Peyton Hillis is the one people will point to, but both lines are still a mess and I'm still not sure that the Cutler thing wasn't mostly his fault.

I think this is awesome. A while back, this thread was stuffed full of Broncos fans defending McDaniels and the Tebow pick. And specifically that awful decision to trade three picks to get him. And now look... If the owner is smart he'll instruct the interim coach to spend the next 4 weeks playing Tebow as much as possible to see if there's any point to continue counting on Timmy for the future. I have a feeling there won't be and Denver will be starting from scatch again next season

Totally agree with this Just saw this and all i can say is : Why? Lawler was a junk wrestler. He booked his own territory and -SURPRISE - stuck himself at the top for year and years and YEARS past the time anyone cared and basically killed off his own territory. And then he stuck his son at the top of the card, even when it was obvious he wasn't over with the fans. He insulted the 'new generation of stars' repeatedly and specifically ECW despite the fact Memphis was generally garbage wrestling and crappy joke gimmicks (seriously, wrestlecrap.com is absolutely loaded with entries from Memphis). He called out guys like Taz for being too small when Lawler himself was *maybe* 5'8" -5'9" If you take out the Andy Kaufman stuff, Jerry Lawler didn't do one significant thing in his entire wrestling career outside of the territory he ran. The only reason he's famous now is for acting like a perverted 16 year old and fomr having the good sense to kiss Vince's a** for a job when Verne Gagne and Jerry Jarrett refused. Take him out of Memphis and he's the most overrated "star" of the modern wrestling era.

Let's not forget he also held the AWA world title and competed against Ric Flair a couple times during that period.

Yeah..not to beat this to death..but again I'm watching Lebron going back to Cleveland and I can't help but think the WWE missed the boat with MVP His gimmick was 'the modern athlete' and he played it well. Well 'the modern athlete' works effectively as a heel as well as a face and this past Summer Lebron's leaving Cleveland and his Decision special was one of THE hottest topics of conversation ...not in sports but in all the news. How easy would it have been to do a parody where MVP turns heel by announcing his DECISION to go to RAW in a sit down interview with Josh Matthews or something? He had one of the few modern, relevant-to-pop-culture gimmicks in the company.If you can't figure out to write for him, I seriously question your talent as a writer.

I do agree with all of this; his attitude was poor.

Not surprised. Disappointed. I disagree

I just always felt like MVP was one of the few where they got the gimmick right; he dressed and spoke like a 'modern athlete.' They gave him the right entrance. Even his BAAAALLIn schtick was relevant when he started doing it. It's a shame R Truth can do some hackneyed rapper gimmick that was out of date 10 years ago and MVP gets cut loose.

Giant waste. Whoever is evaluating talent has dropped the ball a lot recently.

Yes, it does. Because that 'certain type of fan' makes up the vast majority of the audience that watches the programming, buys PPVs, and pays for merchandise. Who gives a crap if internet nerds like him? Why does anyone need to provide 'evidence?' Being a 'good worker' means you get people to pay to watch you. I've read interviews with everyone from Bill Watts to Bobby Heenan to Jim Cornette and they all say the same thing: if people pay to watch you, you're a good worker. Period. And I'd stand buy their opinion 1000 times over before I care what a bunch of smarks on a message board say. So knock yourself out talking about he's a bad worker. Because it's just YOU. That's all. YOU are entitled to YOUR opinion but that's all it is. Cena has generated millions of dollars in revenue for the biggest promotion on the planet...that means A LOT more than whether or not he pleases the IWC

RE Sheamus: Considering the reactions he got from the crowd I think the more fair way of putting it is that he's just not your personal cup of tea. YOU don't like him but it appears as though most of the crowd bought into him from a charisma standpoint RE Cena: Fine ...whatever..if your evaluation of a worker involves snarky internet ideas like 'work rate' and 'move set' then Cena is a TERRIBLE worker. Awful. But so are guys like Hogan, Sting, The Rock, Kevin Nash, and Austin (post neck injury) But if you get over yourself and realize wrestling is about entertainment and the purpose is to get fans emotionally invested in what's happening in the ring then you'd see that all of those guys - including Cena - are far better than they're given credit for. Which is why they're among the most successful in the industry. Cena has made guys like Bobby Lashley, Umaga, and yes even Khali look interesting in the ring. The crowd was into it. And his matches with HBK and Angle were even rated highly by internet columnists like Meltzer. YOU don't like him. I get that. But if the 90% of the viewing public is willing to pay hard money to watch him - either to root for or against - then he's doing something right and he is (by the only definition of wrestling that matters, his ability to draw)a good worker.

Good lord, ampulator, it's like we're not even watching the same show/promotion. No wonder we never agree. On this page alone you've said The Miz is a better and more exciting worker than Cena (even though Cena has years of matches to go through and just his matches with HBK and Angle alone would prove you wrong, not to mention the fact he made Umaga look good and even Khali look acceptable) and called Sheamus 'dull as wood' when just a few months back Sheamus has the crowd eating up his act as the top heel in his feuds with HHH and Orton. I know it's all opinions but...wow..just wow

I lol'd and I'd agreewith Stennick's assessment Saying "it's a black thing" doesn't ever mean ONLY black people know about it. It's just that it's something that started within the black community, like most urban trends. (ironically enough, exactly like the phrase "giving props")

Maybe predictable is a bad choice of adjectives. It's more like "they took the easy way out" Cena is SUCH a goody two shoes and for him to help Barrett win, he would've had to do something out nof character, something that might have put a really interesting spin on who he is...the fact that he does get mixed response and the fact that he would've 'cheated' to screw Orton over in order to save himself... It finally would've added some shades of gray to a John Cena character that hes been far too black & white for a long while. It may have even started him down the road to a slow burn as a full on heel, and that might've been very entertaining.

No..let's be clear..I ALWAYS understood your frustrations. I'm not a huge fan of the product right now either. I just A) always understood their reasoning and didn't see how their current product put them on a path towards failure and B) dont believe for a second that the WWE power structure somehow tried to not make Cena TOO POPULAR for fear of him going to film movies (I thought that was a dumb notion then, still do now) For instance, even with this booking, juggalo has a point: if Cena ends up on SD it has some merit from a business standpoint. It wouldn't make ME personally want to watch, and if WM was headlined by Cena and Orton playing the exact same characters they've played the last few years, i wouldn't buy it. But, yes...i see your frustration.

This is what you quoted.. This is how you replied.. I apologize for any misunderstanding but when you said "You two etc" I thought you were directing your post at BP since he was one you directly replied to

That's not a Cena issue though. That's a writing/booking issue.

you're the one who already admitted you defend all things wrestling no matter what

Yeah yeah..the new guy bashes internet wrestling fans without reading through the thread or knowing anyone enough to really know what their actual opinions are How predictable

Go back and read the thread. BP didn't say anything rude. A couple of other people made some sarcastic comments but this reply.. ...isn't being a dick in any way.

Yeah I saw that..so much the better

No..the fact that is IS so very predictable makes it a terrible idea Nexus was the most original and captivating storyline the E has done in a long time. It started out gangbusters, sputtered, gained back some momentum by allowing Barrett to actually beat Cena and put him in a position where fans wondered "what's gonna happen?" If this is the way it ends and if Cena just showed up on SD it would be the weakest mos unoriginal thing possible for them to do.

Custom belt debuts..rumors of it's cost arise....stories about Dixie's mom stepping in to control finances start appearing.... COINCIDENCE???? Could Jeff's belt be the last straw that makes the folks at Panda wonder "What the hell has our girl been doing these past couple years?"