PeterHilton

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BurningHamster" data-cite="BurningHamster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I may be a zealot but I am not anti-capitalism, seriously ... why are you guys constantly trying to ascribe various viewpoints, beliefs and ideals to me? I just like sports where loyalty, hatred and rivalry play a larger role than in the current day NBA and by expressing this belief I supposedly support slavery, am some kind of dirty commie, am a racist etc etc? It really says more about you guys and your inability to tolerate those with different views from yourselves than it says about my beliefs on anything.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well I don't know what to say...</p><p> </p><p> I've apologized for the misunderstanding but you seem upset that the misunderstanding even happened even though I've tried to explain why. I'm not the only person who's said that comment could be misconstrued so I don't feel like I was being totally unreasonable there. But again..sorry. </p><p> </p><p> You have the same issues with the music industry and the movie industry. You've said you have issue with the pro sports in your country. You don't like the people that spend money on video games, MLB, the NFL and premier league.</p><p> </p><p> Can you maybe tell us what sport exactly does meet your criteria? Because it just sounds like you're against all major sports. All of them. </p><p> </p><p> Your beliefs are your beliefs but you just seem to be anti-pretty much everything. What would you call that?</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BurningHamster" data-cite="BurningHamster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yes to videogame consumers, MLB, NFL, premier league. No to UFC unless they are wearing an Affliction or tapout shirt, in which case they are a yes. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> So you're some kind of anti-commercial, anti-big sports, anti-capitalism zealot with a push button about being told his POV isn't that big a deal, because it's the minority.</p><p> </p><p> So -as Slagaholic has said - why post in a thread about sports? Any thread?</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BurningHamster" data-cite="BurningHamster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Or you subconsciously associate black people with apes. And yes, I have a problem with the people who buy the tickets. What of it?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="SHaynes23" data-cite="SHaynes23" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>We talked about this same subject in my Microeconomics class the other day. Sure other people work very hard for their livings, but the teacher brought up a pretty good point. He probably puts close to the same number of hours in as Albert Pujols, but 50,000 people aren't going to pay 50 bucks to see him talk about elasticity.<p> </p><p> While I believe many professions are underpaid, that's not the point here. These athletes are providing a high level of entertainment to a mass of people who highly demand it. The majority of events from the big four in America are sell-outs, or close to it in most cases with a few exceptions. If people stopped showing up, sure these athletes shouldn't get paid what they do. But as franchises continue to bring in huge dollars, and the players are what drive these franchises, it makes sense that they get their cut.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's it exactly. If you have a problem with athletes getting paid then you basically have a problem with the people who are buying the tickets.</p>

<p>it was a typo. it was inserted randomly in a sentence when i re-wrote something else. so I deleted it. Again..you're clearly trolling</p><p> </p><p> And it's not the same as..</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BurningHamster" data-cite="BurningHamster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>In fact, I would probably support the NBA more if all of the players were actual slaves and you would occasionally see the coach whipping them during time outs.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Why does that have you upset? Do you honestly not see how that could be misunderstood?</p>

<p>Now you're just trolling</p><p> </p><p> Again..i misunderstood your intent. But that comment was easy to misunderstand. </p><p> </p><p> I don't understand your POV. I don't hate rich athletes because they're rich. Your entire argument has been that you want athletes to not be mercenaries and not make as much money as possible? Or that possibly they should be more loyal to their home town? </p><p> </p><p> Like i said: I don't think you know that much about the history of sports - specifically the history of sports here - because some of the things you said don't make sense in that context. </p><p> </p><p> I'm sorry that upset you. But every time I (or anyone else) tried to talk about the logic or your argument your response is "blargh regular people do it too" which isn't really a justification because people don't buy tickets to go see regular people work. </p><p> </p><p> So you unless your plan is to create some glorious utopia where all people are all paid exactly the same no matter what they do or their station in life or how much money their job generates, I can't see where you're coming from...</p><p> </p><p> Sorry i don't share your POV</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BurningHamster" data-cite="BurningHamster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>In Australia athletes are photographed simulating sex acts with dogs and digitally penetrate opponents anal cavities (I wish I was making that up) so whatever we talk about doing to them is minor in comparison to what they are already doing.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Then ..again..my bad. </p><p> </p><p> But the statement you made is exactly the kind of thing a racist a-hole here in the states would make. The fact that it took you that long to get that isn't my fault. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BurningHamster" data-cite="BurningHamster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That's okay my loyal subject, but really you should be more sorry for coming off as bit of a knob initially when I was merely voicing a minority opinion that I honestly believe in. I mean, it's bad enough the whole world is more accommodating to your wants than mine without being insulted on top of that.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> There are lots of people with opinions that are in the minority that get completely disregarded and get laughed at or mocked because of it. That's life. Boo freakin hoo.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BurningHamster" data-cite="BurningHamster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>While discussing the most logical thing in the world, a multi-billion dollar industry based on abnormally tall people throwing a sphere through a slightly larger hoop. Also you put too many a's in the word okay.<p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Supply and demand.</p><p> </p><p> If people out there are willing to spend the money to buy the tickets then yes, it's totally logical. Because those athletes are getting what the owners can afford which means for every player making 5 millions dollars then there's an owner somewhere making 100 times that.</p><p> </p><p> Again..it's like you have a problem with the entire notion of professional sports. Its not like those contracts are getting handed out willy-nilly with no justification.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BurningHamster" data-cite="BurningHamster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You brought up slaves, Pete. Not me. Then you went on to disparage the proud nation of Turkey. Plus I think it's a sad indictment of your nation's preoccupation with race that possible racial overtones of a comment are seen by you as more problematic than the violence and humiliation involved in publicly whipping anyone. Plus, you know, your whole inability to tell when someone is being facetious is pretty sad too, but I expect no better from a racist.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I have no idea what you're talking about. </p><p> </p><p> Bringing up slavery and whipping when in connection to a discussion about a league where the athletes are mostly black has racial overtones. And yes it is more specific to America because of our history but it's there. </p><p> </p><p> Sorry for the misunderstanding your highness but considering your irrational tirade against NBA players and the way you talked about professional athletes for the last few pages, where was i supposed to know where your anger ended and your reasonable arguments began? I guess in Australia it's ok to bring up whipping athletes like slaves and everyone's cool with that.</p>

That's cute...like I said, if you don't get how that "slaves getting whipped" comment could have racial/racist overtones, that's your deal...

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BurningHamster" data-cite="BurningHamster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Do you really want an argument on racism on top of being rude? Do you really want to sully the Hilton name made famous by such greats as Paris to be associated with something like that?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If you don't get how that comment could sound racist that's your problem, not mine.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>As for your friend, I know many people who are talented and still working regular jobs that one would think are beneath their abilities because those have yet to be fully recognized or there simply isn't enough room at the top of the mountain for everyone who is really good at something. That's life. Boo freakin hoo.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You completely missed the point.</p><p> </p><p> Pro athletes have a finite amount of years to make as much money as they can before their bodies betray them. For every one guy who makes that crazy money that irritates you so badly, there are literally thousands who never make it and spend the rest of their lives with their bodies broken by the years they spent trying.</p><p> </p><p> it's a gamble. No one should feel bad for them. But at the same token no one should belie them the rewards when that gamble pays off.</p><p> </p><p> People pay big money to go watch sports. Or movies. Or listen to music. Why shouldn't the person who draws the fans be paid accordingly. because no one is going to a sporting event to watch the ground crew? or a movie to see the key grip's performance? or music to listen to the editing?</p><p> </p><p> People pay for stars.</p><p> </p><p> As for what kind of fan I am? I like winning. Most people do.</p><p> </p><p> Allen Iverson is playing in frickin Turkey this year...for $4 million..you think those fans are complaining because he's 'not local?' Maybe some. But most of them are thrilled to see a huge star play and give their team a better chance at winning. </p><p> </p><p> Which is -outside of the bitter minority - the way most people feel.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="SaySo" data-cite="SaySo" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sting could always release his TNA greatest hits DVD and not showing anything before 2002.<p> </p><p> I bet he'll make more money there than ones the WWE can create.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Really? You REALLY think that a "TNA matches only" DVD would generate more revenue than the DVD WWE could put out?</p><p> </p><p> WWE DVDs are regularly listed on the top selling sports DVDs lists for Amazon every year TNA never has.</p><p> </p><p> But a TNA release would outsell a WWE release? One would feature matches where Sting is at least a decade past his prime versus wrestlers the vast majority of the audience don't know. And one would feature Sting versus every major star in WCW ...and include footage from the hottest angle during the Monday Night Wars (Crow Sting vs Hogan and the nWo) and a bunch of matches that haven't been released yet. </p><p> </p><p> But that's what you're saying...Best of TNA outsells Sting: The Glory Years?</p><p> </p><p> Okaaaaayyyyyyy <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>BurningHamster, I agree PH was being rude, but you probably should just stop. You don't know much about the discussion and you're not presenting yourself in a positive light when you say things like this:<p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I feel like I should get a medal or something that actually got YOU to call someone rude. lol <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> But yes, that was the point I was making. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BurningHamster" data-cite="BurningHamster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You are the one who brought up slavery in regards to sportspeople and insinuated that making less than a zillion dollars is tantamount to slavery. But thanks for the labelling me a racist despite me at no point mentioning anyone of a particular race. <p> </p><p> And while my MAIN gripe isn't with the amount of money NBA players get I do feel musicians and actors are overpaid and overhyped. Actors in particular, in comparison to most people on a film set, are paid far more than their talent or amount of work is generally worth. Not to say that will stop me watching movies, but I tend to avoid the major blockbusters with big name talent because they are usually disappointing money making excercises that rarely live up to the hype. Much like the NBA.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> a) you said that you'd prefer the NBA - a league made of mostly black males - would be more enjoyable if the players were whipped on the sideline like slaves.</p><p> </p><p> Whether you know it or not, that comment had racial overtones. And the fact you don't realize it again shows your lack of knowledge on the subject...especially in regards to black athletes in America</p><p> </p><p> b) Your comments on musicians and athletes ...ok, so you're just a bitter dude who doesn't want anyone to get paid? Because capitalism and the whole free market economy must be a giant pain for you..</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BurningHamster" data-cite="BurningHamster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Don't think I will go and hang around watching high school kids getting sweaty thanks. I do like your argument that if guys aren't making 50 zillion dollars they are virtually slaves though. In fact, I would probably support the NBA more if all of the players were actual slaves and you would occasionally see the coach whipping them during time outs.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Again you sound incredibly ignorant about the history of American sports and pro sports in general. Because if you knew a little more, you'd probably realize that your last line sounded incredibly racist.</p><p> </p><p> Actually, it's so blatant it sounds like you might actually be making a racist remark on purpose.</p><p> </p><p> I'm sorry you feel the way you do, but I don't think it's unfair to be well paid when you are the person that people are paying to see.Nobody pays to see the owners.</p><p> </p><p> Do you get this upset about how musicians or movie stars are paid? Because it's the same thing.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BurningHamster" data-cite="BurningHamster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You don't have to take my opinion seriously but you can be a little less insulting, you heartless wench.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Honeslty this last post just proved my point. You're a little ignorant and a lot naive</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>When I was growing up in the late 80s, early 90s basketball in Australia was sort of semi-pro. Half of the players had day jobs etc and apart from the US imports I'd say half of the teams were made up of local guys and if you bumped into them on the street they would spare a few minutes to have a chat etc. When I look at the NBA, and indeed many major sports these days (including Australian football which is in many ways going in a similar direction to all other major sports) I see a bunch of overpaid sociopathic douchebags chasing money from town to town. I'm sure those guys have always existed in sports, but in major sports at the moment they have become the rule.<p> </p><p> That might be the best business model for players and clubs, pay the most money, bring in the best players they can but I definitely think something is lost by sports going in this direction.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That stuff you just described was major sports in the US...back in the 30s and 40s. I can't speak for Australia, but the rest of the world moved away from that model decades ago.</p><p> </p><p> And to me, the idea that the guys who are producing the ACTUAL PRODUCT</p><p> THAT FANS COME TO SEE (often times at large risk to their bodies and at great expense to their personal and physical well-being) have to hold down second jobs and work like your average slob while the team owners make millions and millions of dollars is criminally unfair and tantimount to slavery.</p><p> </p><p> Which is why it changed.</p><p> </p><p> Decades ago.</p><p> </p><p> Like I said..if what you REALLY want to see is local guys, playing for local clubs, with local pride on the line, and not making much else outside the thrill of victory, then go watch high school kids play sports.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>His contracts are only on a one year basis and usually he takes 4-6 months of that year off anyway. The contract runs out in December of every year and always says he's not going to return but TNA somehow convinces him to.<p> </p><p> After the first set of tapings after Immortal he went home and supposedly informed them he was done. There is talk if he is done bringing him in for WCW's HOF ceremony at WM in Atlanta. </p><p> </p><p> So if they were to cut Team 3D, Sting, Nash, some of the ECW guys that would be a lot of money coming off the books and I would think that going forward next year they would be in better financial shape anyway.</p><p> </p><p> On a side note I don't think Team 3D are going to be road agents, if that was the case then why would the boys in the back be upset about them getting resigned and with supposedly even management against resigning them why would Dixie go against everything and resign them for what I can imagine is a decent amount of money only to stick them backstage. Some controversial ending will hapen at Turning Point or Devon will lose the match and Bubba will turn on him claiming "he cost them the chance to retire as tag team champions"</p><p> </p><p> Also it was under my impression they were running a profit. Seems weird that when Dixie finally gets into the black after years in the red that Panda would then lose faith. Again it would be like a head coach getting a couple of winning seasons after turning around from some bad losing ones and then getting fired. Seems strange is all.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Dammit i was reading along ready to comment and then Stnnick pretty much summed up..<img alt=":mad:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/mad.png.69834f23b9a8bf290d98375f56f1c794.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Yeah essentially..we've been hearing for a while TNA is in the black. This is odd timing as far as the financial rumors.</p><p> </p><p> Also...why would you throw money at 3D to stick them in back? If anything THAT would be a dumber decision than their recent signings.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="crownsy" data-cite="crownsy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Not that i disagree totally, though i have liked some segments the nexus has produced (mostly wade barret promo's, the one where he dared Cena to hit him and ended with "until next week....you can't see me, John")<p> </p><p> but pot-kettle-black much Eric?</p><p> </p><p> I wouldn't really be calling a Pack of wolves heel stable boring when you are currently overseeing an angle that involves you, hulk hogan, and jeff jarret as the people I'm supposed to care about in the year 2010.</p><p> </p><p> I'm only shocked you haven't dug up Buff bagwell and Horace Hogan yet to complete the suck quintuple.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah..Eric is a jack ass.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jwt13" data-cite="jwt13" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sting will never go to WWE he has stated that before</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>TNA is easy money but a HOF induction, a licensing deal with the WWE, some figurines, a DVD set or two, that could be just as much money and even easier money. <p> </p><p> I really think Sting not going to the WWE/F isn't that big of a deal. He stated before he wouldn't go there because of his Christian values but he's became good friends with Shawn Michaels appearing on Christian shows together. On top of the WWF/E being PG again. </p><p> </p><p> Its not like Sting is going to partake in any angles just more or less sign his likeness over to them for a few years and cash in on the DVD's, Figurines, HOF, and maybe make an odd appearance or two. Who knows what he'll do but I have to think just one Wrestlemania match could be a huge pay day for him. </p><p> </p><p> As the biggest WCW fan in the world, I have come to grips with the fact that in ten years nobody will remember WCW or they will remember the WCW their told to remember. Who remembers the AWA? It will be essentially the same thing. So I say hanging your hat on being a WCW wrestler is not the way to go if you want to be remembered forever and lets face it if you're in pro wrestling you want to be remembered forever.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Again...totally agree here. </p><p> </p><p> What exactly would Sting have to complain about in terms of WWE's product? Hasn't TNA been about 100 times more 'un-Christian' over the last few years than the E has</p><p> </p><p> TNA is running angles with tons of blood, semi-nudity, sexual overtones, bisexual threesomes, and lots of curse words.</p><p> </p><p> That whole "Sting won't go because he's Christian" thing just doesn't hold water any more.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="eayragt" data-cite="eayragt" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You don't have to - the wrestling industry isn't about loyal fans, it's about keeping the influx of new (predominantly young male) fans at least as high or if not higher than those fans leaving (predominantly older males, who are busy settling down with a family).<p> </p><p> And the new fan coming in says he wants an improvement in the X-Division, just like we do! Fantastic! He has unrealistic expectations about how the change will occur, but his needs are the same as ours, which is better than new WWE fans PG needs, which don't match with ours.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Meh. I don't disagree. I still don't think it's accurate/fair to tell people they're "complaining at the mo' " when clearly they aren't. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="crownsy" data-cite="crownsy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Riight, except that those things that he sees as expanding are the same things that have needed expanding for almost 4 years.<p> </p><p> I;m all set with being scammed by TNA any longer, I was a viewer for 4 years and always waited for them to take that next step. They never have, and as long as Russo and Co are in charge, IMO they never will.</p><p> </p><p> They haven't in 4 years, why should i keep giving them my viewship to see the same things that don't work over and over again?</p><p> </p><p> I've seen the NWo. It was great in 98. It was decent in WWE. It's awful and sad in 2010.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Nicely written. Totally agree.</p>

<p>It's pointless because he started out saying that people are complaining in the moment.</p><p> </p><p> So regardless of what he said, his perspective is that our opinions were based on current issues when most of -if not all - the people complaining in this thread has been watching for year.</p><p> </p><p> And the issues he pointed out: relying on washed up stars? the Knock-outs? The X Division?</p><p> </p><p> All of them have been problems for a long while.</p><p> </p><p> So yeah it's fine if he likes the show. But its pretty presumptuous to talk to a group of people that have for the most part been tagging along with TNA since nearly it's inception and say "oh well all your complaints are about problems they are having now but if you'd paid attention they're fixing things and everything's gonna be great down the road"</p><p> </p><p> Yeah, right. Like we haven't heard that before. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> TNA has been "full of promise" for years and just keep making the same mistakes. How long am I supposed to watch before I decide they don't get the benefit of the doubt?</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hashasheen" data-cite="Hashasheen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> I'm an new TNA fan. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Everything you said after this was pointless. </p><p> </p><p> The people in this thread who are complaining are complaining because it's been the same set of issues for years.</p>

Ummmmm...because that's where the actual team is located and where the fanbase is...? I find it hard to believe that the pro sports teams in Australia run that differently from the way pro sports teams run on the rest of the planet. Honestly, you sound slightly ignorant (and naive) on the subject and it's hard to take your opinion all that seriously.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Slagaholic" data-cite="Slagaholic" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Loyalty and hometown pride in pro sports is dumb. The owners aren't loyal why should the players be loyal?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yup</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BurningHamster" data-cite="BurningHamster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I am the absolute opposite, I hate hate hate how modern sports are just a mish-mash of mercenaries from around the world who were temporarily convinced to wear the same colour jerseys for several million dollars.<p> </p><p> Not saying everyone has to play for the town they were born, but it would be nice if each team had a few local guys and there was some notion of loyalty and hometown pride. Not sure that has ever been a big factor in the NBA though to be honest.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I dare you to find me an example of a big time modern sport where that IS the case. Or even if it was the case EVER. </p><p> </p><p> I swear I have no idea what's up on the boards...it's like crotchety old man week. </p><p> </p><p> If you want local guys playing for their local team and showing local pride go watch high school.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Capelli King" data-cite="Capelli King" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Also i do not agree with what you said about Lebron not having the influence to bring stars to Cleveland, i am sure he could do that, in the end he simply "followed" someone elses plan, instead of creating his own. </p><p> </p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well you're wrong. I could post a dozen of these. Bosh refused to go to Cleveland:</p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67883/20100706/report_cavs_lebron_working_on_recruiting_bosh/" rel="external nofollow">http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67883/20100706/report_cavs_lebron_working_on_recruiting_bosh/</a></p><p> </p><p> The same rumours were out there about Boozer and Amare. No one was going to Cleveland if they had a choice. So what was he supposed to do? Stay there and lose year after year after year while Orlando and Miami and Boston got better? How many years did he "owe it" to Cleveland before he was allowed to make a decision about his own future?</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Correct me if I'm wrong though but as much hate as we all (myself very much included) have given them haven't they had ratings increases since moving back to Thursdays and haven't they had some of their highest numbers yet since the Immortal storyline played out?<p> </p><p> Or did those ratings tank already and are they back to their magical 1.0 area?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They're @ around a 1.1. Which is slightly above what they were at before the move to Monday. So it's good they got back to that number.</p><p> </p><p> But no significant Immortal boost.</p>

<p>The writing isn't bad. The pace of the storylines is a little quick, but at least it's not "a-march-through-the-Himalayas slow" like the E's storylines.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> For me...it's JJ. I can't stand Jeff Jarrett. I was never into TNA more than when he was gone or when he was stuck in peripheral stories when he returned. </p><p> </p><p> But flipping back to TNA and seeing that hack in segment after segment, being pushed in the central stable of TNA, when the <em>one consistent thing</em> TNA has proved over the years is that no one outside the core fanbase gives a crap about Jeff Jarrett...it's just mind-numbing.</p><p> </p><p> It would be like if the Carolina Panthers still had Jake Delhomme at QB. Yeah he did some good things early on, and maybe at some point you still needed him, and the fans still recognize him, but the guy is a dumpster fire with a history of failures and at some point you just need to move on.</p>