PeterHilton

I think tonight's Raw and the aftermath of HBK/HHH at the Rumble will go a long way towards determining who Taker waces at WM The match last year was great, but this build has been a little TOO obvious IMO and it wouldn't surprise me at all if HBK had nothing to do with Taker until well after this year's WM

Bash at the Beach was also free to the public, and they would often film Nitros at Panama Beach (IIRC) during Spring Break...

Sheamus: if his big selling point is his look, then he's in trouble, because it really isn't that unique or marketable. There's only so far you can go with "world's scariest ginger" Orton: I can see that. I agree.

Wait..so since he's won the title, Sheamus has (IIRC) beaten Evan Bourne and MVP, and got himself DQd against both Cena and now Orton? And people wonder why no one buys into him yet?

Listen..you said that TNA could draw 10 K fans "easy" to a house show. WWE doesn't draw that many fans to house shows, therefore your claim would make TNA more popular than WWE. MrC is just showing you how and why - specifically, using actual data - you're wrong to make that claim that TNA could draw 10 k fans to a house show. Then lazorbeak re-affirmed it. This is a pretty unbiased board (TNA and WWE get it both equally imo) but it's a bad, bad place to use broad statements without being able to back them up.

ROFL You're being delusional. 10 K fans? at a house show? Even though their biggest names don't routinely work their house shows?

Hey, if the TNA nutjobs want to claim that TNA is a "National" or "International" company - even though they've never drawn a large paying crowd anywhere, they have to give away tickets to their TV and PPV tapings, and their buy-rates are negligible - then the WWE must be so powerful that they are altering our perceptions of reality. Like a new pantheon of demi-gods or something.

Based on that logic? The WWE is Pan-Dimensional. They are allowed to run shows throughout the space-time continuum and in alternate versions of our own reality.

It's not a perfect indicator, but I'm not risking a bunch of empty seats on a live PPV unless it were a super show and I'd been advertising for weeks. And let's face it, TNA does a sh*t job building their PPVs. The main event for the next PPV is Joe/AJ...how much has that been built? 10 k fans? Easy? You're insane. They just aren't there yet. This.

No no no..based on the thread in the general discussion section, 1500 fans in Canada makes them International. And EVERYONE in England knows who they are, so they could actually be Global. Also, Dixie Carter is a fan of Star Trek. So arguably, they could even be Intergalactic.

Based on their latest run of live show figures, you'd be wrong.

I'm standing by my prediction from a few months ago: Cena vs Taker HHH vs HBK Hart vs Mcmahon No Way Out will shake out where the titles go.

Yeah that's not happening And it would be a f'n awful match EDIT: I didn't want to sound rude, but KANE? In 2010? It's just sof ar from being realistic...and neither man is a good enough worker to carry a WM main event. An acceptable midcard braw? possibly. But Kane vs Sheamus to headline the biggest PPV of the year? I can hear the stock dropping.

I get what jester is saying: the guys like Khali, Show, Henry, etc...their size IS their gimmick. The reason they get hyped around this time is because of how big they are, not how over or popular they are (and that really does separate Taker from Kane, Show, Khali, etc because he's over regardless) So yeah, other than Taker, it's been ages since one of those 'giants' won.

John Heder was f'n excellent as a host. He played a great character and was one of the few hosts wo actually added something to the show. He was a legit heel and got legit heel heat I mean...when he referenced Lane Kiffin obliviously ...awesome.

Eric's least likable character trait is his inability to admit mistakes. His book is page after page of excuses for why WCW failed, nothing having to do with hi creative decisions or the way they ran the nWo into the ground...he says something similar in the interview "oh why did we lose to the Rock and the WWF? because Turner made us be more family friendly, not because or shows were crap or anything..."

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/128422/Hulk-Hogan-And-Eric-Bischoff//s-State-Of-TNA-Address.htm Worth a read. It's Hogan and Eric's latest appearance on Bubba's show. They all come off as d-bags, but you do get to see some of the thought process.

Yeah...I think all the publicity is kicking in. Even when the shows are just ok, they are getting better and better ratings. Net fans are throwing up all over Hogan and Eric, but what they're doing is translating into viewers.

The polic thought he was running away. Turns out, he just heard the ice cream man coming. Honest mistake.

Oh and Lashley.... Bobby as a legitimate athlete face was ok. Nothing terrible but not at all exceptional. Bobby as a heel who think he's "too good" for wrestling was interesting, if a little misguided because his wife had to cut all his promos. Plus, he got bitched out by Abyss which is not good for a heel type. So then...two weeks later..he apologizes and says he loves the fans..so he's a face again...but now Eric fires him ...so am I supposed to want him back? wtf is goingon in that storyline?

So let me get this straight: Flair and AJ conspired to "screw" Angle... Angle though Hogan was involved so he spits on Hulk. Next week, we find out that it was Hebner paid off by Flair..so Hebner gets fired...but there's no real punishment for AJ And Kurt is happy because at least he knows Hogan wasn't involved, so he's not going to demand a rematch, he's just gonna jump into the tourney thing. And oh btw we have yet to really build Joe/AJ which is our main event at the next PPV I know this is nitpicking, and wrestling doesn't have to be logical to be good, but why would you run a screwjob angle that seems to throw everything into complete chaos and then follow up with....nothing? No one even seems that bothered it happened?

How many times does this have to be said in this thread? They are NOT selling enough tickets to move out of the Impact Zone yet. Not happening. Probably a year away at best.

Lack of talent or real popularity?

As I pointed out earlier, the ratings have actually gone up a tick when the bigger names have been rolled out. And you know what mainstream publicity is good for? Driving home the notion to the general public that the WWE IS pro wrestling.

No..but I don't think anyone is expecting performers who have been there a 'few months' to beat Cena, HBK, etc. But this isn't the 80s. The attention span of the audience isn't as great as it once was. You can't wait YEARS to pull the trigger on a guy...if guys like Morrison, Punk, MVP are over..push them into the main event.