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Isn't it the same way with finishers? Some guys kick out of a finishers all the time or "counter" them or what have you and the very next week someone is killed dead by it. In fact that is all of pro wrestling. Chris Jericho uses a boston crab as a finisher but somebody else uses it as a transition hold. John Cena was using an FU which was what a firemans carry slam how is that more devastating than say a suplex or a hip toss? Its not, its wrestling and we're supposed to believe that this guy has "mastered" this hold. Sure the announcers don't do a good job expaining it. In WCW you'd hear things like "the master of the Diamond Cutter" or what have you reminding fans that he has perfected this move. They hyped up Benoit's Crossface as death as well, The Giants Chokeslam, WCW was great at hyping guys finishers.

Frank Thomas was beyond the best at his position him and Ken Griffy were neck and neck for best in the league. He's got two MVP awards. The last two years of his thirties he hit a combined 65 home runs thats pretty damn good.

Hey Reap there is an updated APWF logo in Kam's 2010 thread just a few rows down its better than the UPSPW rip off logo IMO just throwing it out there.

No it says that he NEEDS 75 % vote to get ownership cleared they haven't even voted yet and won't until April or May.

Nice Reap I trust you found the new logos and what not that you were looking for. Kam has done several logos for the promotions but I'm sure you've been checking his thread looks great as always though : )

Who knows what Khan has instore he's lived in the STL area for the last 40 years, he owns a company in IL, he went to school around here, has family here. Maybe he'll pick up and move but would LA really want a 1-15 football team. It might happen and if it does more power to the guy. I think there are a few teams around the league that have to be looking at LA and thinking. San Fran was talked about two years ago, the Saints were moving three years ago, jacksonville is struggling to sell out even with a decent football team. They should have moved L.T after last season but kept him around. Great guy, great player but its time to move on.

St. Louis Rams are bought........well kinda. A bid has been accepted here's the information on the guy. There has been constant talk of someone buying this team and running back to LA with it after the lease with St. Louis is up in 2014. Rush Limbaugh, Dave Checkets and who knows who else has bid on this team. Wrestling fans that remember the Stank Kroenke incident with Vince not too long ago. Well he owns 40 percent of the Rams and has right of refusal. However you cannot own a majority of an NFL team if you own another sports team outside the city. So either he convinces them to change their rules, sells off his 40 percent as well which Khan is said to be ready to buy 100 percent or he hangs in there in the same ownership capacity as now. Here are some quick specs on the guy. Name: Shahid Khan. Who is he: Khan, 55, is the president of Flex-N-Gate Corporation, an auto-parts manufacturer based in Urbana, Ill. Where does he live: Khan has lived in the Champaign-Urbana area for more than 40 years and is married with two adult children. Khan is a graduate of the school of Mechanical and Industrial Engineering at the University of Illinois. What is he buying: According to league sources Khan will purchase the 60 percent of the team owned by Chip Rosenbloom and Lucia Rodriguez. But if Stan Kroenke wants to sell his 40 percent then Khan is prepared to buy that as well. What are his thoughts on STL and the Rams: Multiple sources describe Khan as an enthusiastic Rams fan who has attended home games at The Edward Jones Dome. League sources say Khan is committed to keeping the team in St. Louis ... which was an important consideration to Rosenbloom and Rodriguez in making their decision to sell to him. The sale is subject to approval of NFL owners. They can't vote on it until the closing of the sale which probably won't be finished until early April or so.

Yeah Mr T's 75 mod has all of the old promotions and if it doesn't have updated logo's Kam did several updated ones.

Reap if you d/l the 70's verse from 08 as well as look through Kam's logos you 'll find all the info there is known about them.

I was just givin ya some crap Chris

Peter there are very few guys I just always agree with and you seem to be one of them man. Once again I couldn't have said that any better myself.

He was over to a degree yes. But he wasn't main eventing or anywhere near the main event outside of being cannon fodder for the Undertaker and a one off against HBK.

I think Austin is a beer swigging redneck who you could argue did have a DTA attitude after being fired from WCW. Foley didn't really get "over" being a deranged lunatic. He got over being Mic Foley with a Mankind mask on. Or I should say thats what got him a World Championship. I haven't paid attention to the rest of the conversation but I'd say yes, just like many people agree that Macho Man is really Macho Man in real life, etc.

So Kazarian got married and immediately afterwards it comes out he's been fooling around with some adult film star for two years. Apparently Tracy found out before the marriage. Is Tracy still in TNA? She's the won that posed nude right?

That made my laugh for some reason. My wife calls these rappers "Little" and I have to correct her by reminding her its the slight, often over looked variation Lil for some reason it sounds ok being called Lil Wayne, Lil Boosie (ok I lied there is no way Boosie can sound ok) but if you say "Little" it makes me think of Robin Hoods Merry Men. But yeah these are just strange obersavations by me and have nothing to do with anything WWE related so back on topic... Is it still looking like Sheamus vs. HHH for the title at WM? I haven't watched since the 4th... Also Bret Hart has been cleared to wrestle so it sounds like it'll be a singles match at WM

Ha the minute you said Verne I remembered it.

I'll take your word on it. I didn't see anything on any of the hip hop message boards that said "pro wrestler spits fire on RAW' so it couldn't have been anything too great.

Mike Jones, Paul Wall, Chamillionaire, Devin the Dude, Lil Troy, Lil Flip, Pimp C, Scarface, DJ Screw, Slim Thug, Ghetto Boys (Scarface, Willie D and Buschwick Bill) Swisha House crew (Paul Wall, Mike Jones, Michael 5000 Watts, Like Keke). I could go on but Texas is one of about five hot spots for rap around the country. You got New York/Jersey, , Atlanta, Texas, Cali, and Detroit. Florida is on the climb as well as some other states. I'm not saying guys in other states don't rhyme but these areas are the tops in most peoples eyes. None the less Scarface is the Godfather of Southern Rap and he's from Texas, UGK are legends in the game as well. Swishahouse one of of the most successful labels in the last five years. Seriously people in Texas rap.

I was not rooting for the Saints tonight but I don't hate them and I enjoy New Orleons so I'm very happy for them. The Who Dat thing is more than played out and can hopefully stop (although I fear it will only grow)

I have stated my feelings and still believe them to be honest and true. I believe the NFL, not teams and players but The Shield who makes plenty of their own money should fund medical expenses for these players. That being said I can't agree "they didn't know the dangers". People had been playing football in this country for the entire century, so in the 50's and 60's if they couldn't look at other old timers and see they were banged up and catch on that this was a dangerous sport thats fine. Then what about the fact that you're slamming into each other at high speeds, head first? Nobody thought about that? Or the fact they most likely played this game from atleast high school on. They didn't see any healh risks the entire time playing? I get "you didn't play you were fired". I can't speak for anyone else and you can always say "it was a different time" but lets face it everyone can say "its a different time" and have an escape clause. Again I can't speak for anyone but myself but no matter my job if I'm making a million a day if I start to get the feeling "this isn't good for my health, I can't feel my arms and legs, my neck hurts, I get dizzy etc" I'm not going to work that job anymore. America wasn't void of jobs in the 60's and before. These guys played this sport their whole lives. They got hurt, they knew it wasn't a healthy game and they continued to play it. Again these guys deserve medical but I can't say "these guys didn't know".

No one forced these guys to go into pro football. They went into it knowing there was little money, no retirement, etc. Why should anyone be compensated to knowingly walk into a job that pays less than what most of their college degrees could get in other work areas? Nobody made these guys do the job their doing. I believe the NFL not the NFLPA should fully compensate any medical bills beyond that they knew what they were getting into.

I agree all of those things combined. I'd say if I had to pick one it would be the rise of the passing game. Passing has got the casual fan who can't appreciate grinding it out for one or two yards fifteen carries a game. I'd say this along with the NFL being the very best when it comes to promoting.

If the MLB season is "way too long" why was it the most popular and most dominant sport in America for nearly a century? It wasn't until the mid nineties that baseball's popularity started to die off... I like football because every game matters but its been that way since the inception. In the 70's they played 14 games so every game mattered more and the other sports still had longer seasons yet it wasn't top dog then. While I agree that football is great for short attention spanned America I wouldn't say thats in a top five reason why they have surpassed the other sports in popularity.

I agree that we're not likely to use Social Security and that is a flawed program in itself. I'm not disputing the times have changed I'm just disputing if they deserve any compensation for the changing of times. No you don't have that straight. I was citing examples of what has happened ON the field as reasons why the sport has blown up. Every sport has a higher visibility now days than they did 15 years ago. Heck if I wanted to I could be a Man United fan and most likely not miss a beat due to internet, cable t.v, etc. As far as my Montana comment my point is that it was much more than 24/7 news letting us follow the NFL more that made it blow up. Why hasn't the NBA blown up and over taken as the top sport? Why not Hockey? All sports had equal advantage of this thing we call the modern age yet the NFL used that ALONG WITH the happenings on the field to propel them past the previously untouchable MLB. Its no secret how profitable the NFL is and some of it has to do with the internet and other means however you can't honestly say that the NFL is only as popular as it is today because of modern luxuries. NBA, NHL, NASCAR, I could go on ALL have the same access and heck most sports even have their own network now days. Was this one way in which they increased revenue? Sure but it took more than that to put them as the most popular sport in America which in turn has generated these increasingly absurd paydays every year. odddly enough I own my own business in St. Louis, its actually grown in a multitude of areas each year I've own it. Revenues, employees, customers, etc. I understand fully well that especially training new employees is nearly 100 percent cost since their essentially useless to the company yet still drawing full pay. Even once their trained its a long while (in most cases) before their up to a high enough functioning level to start offsetting the cost of employing them. However I as the employer incur the expense of employee pensions I'm not asking others to take on this expense with me. Again I said earlier I have NO problem if the NFL wants to give these retired players some money for any reason what so ever. Its their money to give away. I just don't want to see this money come out of owners pockets and out of players salaries. Most of these owners weren't even in the league when these things happened and most of the players weren't even alive let alone responsible for it. The Shield generates enough money on its own that its more than capable of doing this on their own. Again I don't know the exact details in fact I'm sure most of them are still being hammered out but I said before I don't have a problem with the NFL as a league offering them money as long as owners and players aren't responsible for it. Your argument is that these guys got banged up and in a lot of cases weren't given legtimate care (even for the time period) and those injuries are causing harm to their way of life now. I completely understand that and have said from the first post on that if the NFL wants to take some of those milllions of dollars their making in Miami this weekend and give it to these players thats fine. My stance is I don't want Owners and Players having money taken away from them in order to support this. They had nothing to do with this and I'm of the opinion that the stars of the last two decades helped build this sport along with the modernization of media. Those people and those events shouldn't then be forced that because their blessed to play in an era where these things are avaailable to turn around and give it to others. Again if someone works at McDonalds today their open 24 hours a day, min wage is higher, their offered benefits, etc things that were not available to employees 30 years ago I'm sure. Should the Franchise owners and employees have money taken from them from Mcdonalds in order to give it to these employees that weren't given the chance to be employed in that envirement? Of course not. If the League wants to give money to these players go for it. But you can't sit there and say that the NFL is big because of Cable T.V and Internet because if that was the case other sports should be just as big yet their not. The NFL is as big as it is because the NFL has some of the best athletes in the world playing an exciting, hard hitting at times fast paced game and they have paid people very well to market the heck outta that. Say what you will about the NFL but their hype machine is top notch and thats what has led them past MLB and to the top of the sports ladder in America.

I agree with a lot of what you said such as Steve Young not being the traditional QB and Rookie caps being needed. That being said I think its apples and oranges when dealing with Social Security and Player Welfare. They were paid to play a game knowing full well the risks. They went to college (most of them) they had a choice to do anything in the world with themselves, they CHOSE to play football. They knew they weren't getting much money for it but they chose to play a game for a career choice and they knew the risks going in. This league was built on Montana, Marino, Rice, the 90's Cowboys thats when the Super Bowl became a big deal thats when superstars that were equal to the Jordans, the Ruths, etc. were made in the NFL. It had nothing to do with distribution. Did Baseball have that in the 70's? Did that stop Reggie Jackson from being the highest paid player in baseball in the 70's? Football was on network television just like college football was even back then every Sunday. The media playing field was equal for all sports yet Baseball thrived in the 70's while Football didn't catch up let alone surpass till the 80's and nineties. None the less its not Drew Brees fault that they didn't have 24/7 news back in the 70's and 80's. With each new generation comes new technology and with it comes advantages that often times result in pay increases for those involved. I'm all for these guys getting money if thats what the NFL is doing I just want to make sure it comes from the League and not from individual teams and players. Again though Cable Television and media oppurtunities have very little to do with it. Sure they help make Football a powerhouse but they did the same for basketball, they did the same for baseball. The fact is its Dan Marino's record breaking seasons, its Jerry Rice being one of the best athletes ever, its Montana's legendary Super Bowl drive. Its dynasties like the Niners and the Cowboys coming into to power in the right age of television. Its these things that made the league a successful powerhouse. The players before this kept the league alive but in my opinion they were paid for a job and they were paid for said job. To come back thirty years later with your hand out because you played the same sport these millionaires play today doesn't make much sense to me. McDonalds workers today are making more than McDonalds workers thirty years ago should they be asking for compensation for their mental stress and grease burns they suffered? Again if the League wants to pay these guys go for it I just want it to come out of league revenues and not team and player revenues. Jim Brown I bet made more yearly than I still make today. So your telling me because you only made 80'000 in the seventies instead of 80 million you deserve compensation? I understand injuries and what not but you CHOSE to play this game. Again you went to college you had a chance to do something else. I'm all for these guys being healthy and again its not my money so at the end of the day I just have a passing opinion but the fact is I don't believe its fair for the owners of these teams who in most cases weren't even old enough to work when these players paid to be forced to foot some of the player welfare bill. Some of these rookies weren't even BORN when these guys looking for money were playing. The NFL is one of the most profitable sports leagues in history if they want these players to recieve money they certainly have their own means to make that happen.