Zergon

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="franticloser" data-cite="franticloser" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><strong><span style="color:#FF0000;">vote: zergon</span></strong> as well. It makes the most sense, with the death of mlt and knowing what I am and pretty strongly guessing on a few others. It is the most logical choice for me.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Hmm, well, this is an interesting development. From what you wrote, I´d assume it´s progress of elimination that let you towards me? </p><p> </p><p> Which is fine if it is, that´s kind of how I work but kind of hard for me to say anything to defend myself when there´s no actual reasoning of me saying or doing something that raises suspicious.</p><p> </p><p> Either way, it´s bit of a bad timing as I need to hit the bed soon. I try to check occasionally during morning and at work to defend myself assuming I´m not lynched before that.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rayelek" data-cite="Rayelek" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><strong><span style="color:#FF0000;">Vote: Zergon</span></strong><p> </p><p> Extremely confident on this.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Care to give reasoning for your confidence?</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Grr.<p> </p><p> Right, sorry earlier discussion about two killers.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Question. Do you believe we have (had) a roleblcker in the game? </p><p> </p><p> Do you believe that was Destiny?</p><p> </p><p> Do you know my ability?</p><p> </p><p> Do you believe it would be in the game? </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> After rereading my lean on someone else is changing...IF Destiny is scum, I’m almost 100 percent sure he is...someone was throwing a lot of shade my way. I missed it the first time, but saw it the second time. </p><p> </p><p> I would have thought Ray was scum too, but I am wrong. Unless scum killed one of their own..</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think roleblocker is a possibility. For me it´s about third most common role after tracker/watcher etc. (I consider these as kind of similar roles and thus count them as variants of the same role) and protector so yes, I think it´s possible that we have/had one.</p><p> </p><p> I don´t know if it was Destiny or not, I´m thinking it´s more likely that you are right and he was a scum but I´m not 100% certain of that.</p><p> </p><p> I assume I do yes.</p><p> </p><p> Yes, I believe there would be at least one of that role in this game.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If Destiny was a roleblocker, that means we have 2 killers. Where is the second kill?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> How Destiny roleblocking TBP would translate into "need to have two killers"?</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Leion" data-cite="Leion" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>But I also won't disregard Zergon as well. If Paws is innocent and Destiny was scum. His actions so far is the insistence of Paws. Just feels like he is pointing too much into that direction.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> My usual policy is to poke players who ain´t posting a lot if I don´t have another clear rote, which has been the case on both this phase and the last (yes, l wasn´t sure Destiny was scum, I explain more below).</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>There is no way Destiny wasn't scum. I see no way a small game like this would have two kills. IF we had a town kill, that means the role blocker stopped another kill, and would have said something by now. <p> </p><p> I am not sure what Destiny was trying to claim, either protector (he did a bad job at that then) or role blocker, I'm glad the real one (if we have one) didn't take the bait.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I mean Destiny pretty much outright said he´s role blocker (quote below) and I do believe that the "I know I have a tendency to get in the way of people" line was another hint on that earlier. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Destiny" data-cite="Destiny" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Let's weigh up the pros and cons. If you lynch me then I'm gone but you still won't be sure of my alignment and there will still be kills every night, and you'll be down the most active townie with an ability that has yet to be counterclaimed. My reasons for targeting TBP have already been explained and I hinted at it in the thread before MLT revealed anything.<p> </p><p> Keep me alive and I can continue to help push the town forward throughout the day and use my ability on anyone we feel suspicious, or even not roleblock at all if you're worried about me blocking townies. Any investigators or watchers feel free to check me out if you want to be sure about me. Look at the votes on me, they may all be townies but there is scum there somewhere I'm fairly certain. Also, there are still two players who haven't posted today. Shouldn't we be looking into other directions? I've been looking forward to this game for a long time and want to lead the town but it will be frustrating to get mislycnched due to unfortunate and unlucky circumstances.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> And that´s why I was unwilling to go towards Destiny at the time I put my vote in, as him being a town roleblocker would have explained MLT seeing him targeting TBP and if he was town we lost not only a decently powerful role but also the most active player. Now I admit it´s more likely that MLT is right and he was the scum killer but I don´t think it´s as clear cut case that she and Leion make it out to be nor do I think that we can be 100% certain of it.</p>

Either way, I´d assume double voter is town in which case we don´t really want to out him, let´s not do scouting for the scum team. I´m hitting the bed now, good night everyone.

Well, I guess I should add that double voter have been town for games I have played so I see it as town role. Then again, this is my fifth game so I´m hardly an expert.

Town. And my vote was on Paws last phase.

Agreed, two votes should be enough at this time to add pressure, any more and we run into chance of phase ending too early. And, yes, it only took four to lynch Destiny so someone has a double vote. Yes.

I know I´m starting to sound like a broken record but unless someone has better target I´m just going to put vote on Paws way in hope to get her to take part on this game. Vote: Paws

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Zergon" data-cite="Zergon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well, with night write-ups not giving us any leads, I guess it´s time to put questions forward.<p> </p><p> Paws, you have been somewhat quiet so far so I´d like to ask few questions from you:</p><p> </p><p> Do you have any reads you would be willing to share?</p><p> How many scum and how many third parties you think there would be in this game?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> And guess I should put my questions to Paws in sight again. Also third question:</p><p> </p><p> What´s your take on Destiny? Scum or not?</p>

<p>Well, I´m still bit undecided on the Destiny thing, I don´t doubt MLT getting the result she´s claims she had but I do feel that Destiny´s answer could cover that and it´s possible that there´s third party involved. </p><p> </p><p> Because of that, I´m going to pursue other option at the time being and see if putting a vote to Paws might get her participate a bit more. I´m willing to change my vote later if need arises but this is the way I´m looking at the moment.</p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color:#FF0000;">Vote: Paws</span></strong></p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="theoutlaw321" data-cite="theoutlaw321" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><strong><span style="color:#FF0000;">modkill:franticloser</span></strong></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Wait, what? This is a joke right <img alt=":confused:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/confused.png.d4a8e6b6eab0c67698b911fb041c0ed1.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I’ll spell it out. Destiny was with TBP last night. Only a few roles would be targeting a dead person, and since TBP is dead, Destiny is not a protector. That makes me think he’s a killer.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Alright, thanks for the clarification.</p>

<p>Well, that´s an interesting development. While MLT´s first statement was rather strong, the fact that she haven´t put her vote down yet and is waiting for answers instead makes me wonder if her lead is quite as strong as it first sounded. While this certainly makes me more wary on Destiny, I think I adopt the wait and see strategy for now as we have plenty of day phase left and there´s quite a few players who haven´t posted yet on this day phase so there´s no hurry to end the phase yet.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Leion" data-cite="Leion" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If MLT can better clarify that would be great. As for the others, I am all for calling them out. electrickg seems to be an unfortunate case of not knowing the game has started, although he wasn't replaced yet. So that theory could also be wrong. As for hellshock, the only conversation he had was just small talk unrelated to the game, that could be suspicious. Paws is another one that is uncharacteristically absent.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I second on liking MLT to clarify a bit. I can understand not wanting to out yourself but you kind of already put a target on your back with your statement. </p><p> </p><p> As for replaments, I doubt we simply have any consdering that this was planned to be 12 people game so I´m afraid that we just have who we have and that´s it. </p><p> </p><p> Would also like to hear on the more queit people and that´s why I quote my own post earlier in case Paws have just missed it:</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Zergon" data-cite="Zergon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well, with night write-ups not giving us any leads, I guess it´s time to put questions forward.<p> </p><p> Paws, you have been somewhat quiet so far so I´d like to ask few questions from you:</p><p> </p><p> Do you have any reads you would be willing to share?</p><p> How many scum and how many third parties you think there would be in this game?</p></div></blockquote>

Alright, I´m around now. Seems that things have happened when I was away so I will start catching up.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Destiny" data-cite="Destiny" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I hate to target the new player but it did seem a bit strange the way franticloser disappeared as soon as questions were asked after they said they'd be around for ten hours or so. TBP is an interesting kill for the first night, does only one kill confirm that we don't have an SK? I have theories but I don't want to give everything away yet.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I doubt about SK simply because of the numbers, think this would end bit too quickly if there would be two night kills each night. </p><p> </p><p> That said, I don´t think we can 100% rule it out yet since it´s possible that some other night action simply stopped a kill (roleblocker for example) so think we have to wait night 2 results before we can be sure on that.</p>

<p>Well, with night write-ups not giving us any leads, I guess it´s time to put questions forward.</p><p> </p><p> Paws, you have been somewhat quiet so far so I´d like to ask few questions from you:</p><p> </p><p> Do you have any reads you would be willing to share?</p><p> How many scum and how many third parties you think there would be in this game?</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Destiny" data-cite="Destiny" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>franticloser, like me, isn't invisible and it looked like he was online after I asked him a question. Did I frighten him away? How about you, what are your reads so far?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> As I said, yeasterday, I don´t really have much yet.</p><p> </p><p> I do have slight town leads on Rayelek, you and Leion and slighly suspicious of franticloser so far but those are all very light leans.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Destiny" data-cite="Destiny" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Wow. Looks like we're not getting any help via the write-ups in this one, it's up to us to find scum in the thread. Is anyone around?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I´m around as well for next 2 hours or so.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Leion" data-cite="Leion" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You stabbed me from behind when you were scum, so you will always be scum. <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Fair, can´t argue with that. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rayelek" data-cite="Rayelek" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Leion for the aforementioned comment, Zergon for starting the meta discussion, theelectrickg for not being here.<p> </p><p> All normal stuff that people do that is sometimes scum hiding and sometimes normal and innocent.</p><p> </p><p> Since it is majority and not plurality, I am fine with no lynch this phase, but if I had to pick someone, it would probably be Zergon, dude always seems to be on the scum team and he is on the very small list of probably innocent people.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Fair, I know well enough that theorizing about meta or third parties can look suspicious but that´s the way I usually like to contribute early on since I need data to work well (well ok I work terribly even with data but you get the point <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />) so night 0 write-up or meta-gaming is pretty much all I have early on.</p><p> </p><p> As for me always being in the scum team, pretty sure I have only been scum once so far. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rayelek" data-cite="Rayelek" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yesterday was wild. Not much time this morning, leaving in half an hour and aside from breaks, I am busy for about 14 hours. It'll probably be night phase by the time I'm back on.<p> </p><p> Not a lot going on so far but just in case, any early reads? I have 3 on my list with negative ticks so far.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="franticloser" data-cite="franticloser" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Since no one else has thrown out a vote I will. And solely based on their "there was three of us scum" line <strong><span style="color:#FF0000;">vote: Leion</span></strong></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You guys are fast, I have literally zero reads on my list so far. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Or maybe I´m just bad at this game. <img alt=":o" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/redface.png.900245280682ef18c5d82399a93c5827.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>