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You know man, I'm going to play both sides here. I agree he's wrong. But not for the reasons everyone's been trying to shout him down with. The flaw he's got going for him is that neither Cena or the Nasty suck as badly as people tend to want to believe. Are any of them all that great in the cold in-ring sense of the term? Not in the least. But they aren't asked to be. Cena, Knobbs and Saggs all do what's asked of them well enough that I'm not going to complain about it. If anything, I'd be more upset if the Nastys WERE perceived to be any good in the ring. It'd be a case of "Why have they been stuck with such a crap gimmick all these years when they are so much above it?" But at the same time, I understand why he's so worked up. He's been saying all along that both Cena and the Nastys were big names. Nowhere have I seen him suggest that the Nastys were AS big as Cena. That I agree would be lunacy. But as far as what he actually said, he's right. The Nastys are a big enough tag team that your wrestling knowledge has to be really limited to have not heard of them at least in passing. And the analogy of the Nastys to Wolfe is right on too. The Nastys have been the Nastys for more years than some of us on this board have been alive. Wolfe hasn't been going by Wolfe for six months yet. All that said, Brother Thommohawk, you do really need to chill out. Even if a few people on a message board are misreading you and trying to set you straight where you don't need it, it's not worth getting worked up about it. The best of us do it. I've been guilty of it myself on occasion. But the negative energy is ultimately a waste. If you feel the need to keep nursing and rehearsing this situation, maybe you could try doing it by re-reading what you wrote to start all this mess and see if you might make it translate more clearly. That would be more constructive than continuing to stick up for yourself at this point.

Dude, you should cobble this together as a TEW storyline. I'm sure folks would love to to play it out in their games.

Agreed. That should have been the ending. When I was debating characters a while back, this is one of the reasons I agreed with the guy that Joe's needs more juice. When he does have a moment that should be high drama, that fact gets cut off at the knees. AJ is the world champion. If he's having a confrontation with a former best friend who's upset over his personality, that should trump all as far as show placement goes. To turn that into a false ending does Joe no favors. You have two men who've held THE TNA belt whose friendship has collapsed and are getting to a massive clash over said belt because they can no longer get along. And somehow the Hogan stuff is more important? That is the kind of junk thought that leads to questions as to whether a Hogan/Bischoff directed TNA will be worth the time in the long term. Good question. Of the "lesser lights" that got brought in by Hogan, he's definitely my favorite. I wasn't so sure about the producer gimmick but I was willing to ride along because it seemed like a natural career evolution for him and it explained his card game with The Beautiful People so well. Heck, the right relationship between Morley and TBP could have really shaken up the Knockout division by turning TBP face and having their perennial targets go heel when they lacked sympathy for the abuse Morley was putting Madison and Velvet through. Maybe Lacey Von Erich could have been the in-story springboard for Morley's introduction to the girls. Using him as a weapon to destroy them from within for not having the blue blood she does. I don't get why they have him at all. I know who Orlando Jordan is. But because I do, that means I don't get Who The Heck he is. Jordan isn't somebody you bring in with any fanfare. He isn't someone I would even have considered bringing in at all. The dude is a nobody. And the Pope is right. He does look like Whoopi Goldberg on testosterone. Gotta disagree here He wants to be a colossal jerk. But that's his problem. He merely wants to be. I know what his gimmick is supposed to be. But the gimmick I always get off of him is that of a poser. He wants to be Road Dogg. He wants to be The Rock. He wants to be Michael Buffer. He wants to be world title material. He wants to be a colossal jerk. He wants so badly to be all these other things it's painfully obvious that the last thing he wants to be is the one thing that would help him be all these things. He wants to be anything and everything other than himself. It's sort of like the negative version of how I see AJ Styles or Eric Young. You can say all you want that AJ's current gimmick is that of Ric Flair's protege and that Eric Young's is leader of World Elite/Social Climber. Both those are just sub-gimmicks to me. AJ's gimmick that I respond to is Rags To Riches. Up by the bootstraps as it were. And in that context, this new sub-gimmick works better than if you see it as his only gimmick. He's fully blossomed into the champion of a company that's fully blossomed and he's trying to revel in the fact by associating himself with a master champion and a master partier in Ric Flair. Not quite understanding or appreciating as Joe and Daniels and others try to remind him that he got to this mountaintop by his own blood, sweat and tears. By being the hungry AJ he's set aside. Without the long term gimmick as framework, I can see why this current Styles wouldn't work for people. But AJ's not used to holding a belt quite as valuable as he has now so I can see how that would go to his head. With Young, the long term gimmick I respond to and embrace is Self Improvement. He's gone from self-conscious comedy joke to snippy young rebel to champion who's credible enough to run his own crew and consult with the big guns. Taken by itself, Eric's Social Climbing Stable Leader gimmick may seem totally incompatible with his skills and lead people to wonder why the company bothers with him. But treated as a sub-gimmick, it's all part of his maturation process. One that's still on-going and you just don't know whether that will lead to him getting to the top or if it will groom him into a gate-keeping company guy. But he appears to be going someplace good for him. As such, there's the possibility at any moment he could decide he's outgrown the need for World Elite and come back to the company fold. We saw last week he now has the confidence to where he can jump in and interject on a legend the stature of Hulk Hogan if necessary in his mind. Where that's going to take him becomes much more compelling if you take the long term view of EY and what his gimmick really is compared to the subgimmick that comprises his surface. If TNA Creative even understands some of the long term gimmicks they have going with guys like AJ Styles and Eric Young, they need to give Anderson a self improvement gimmick like Young has had. Maybe not as dramatic a version. But a rounding into form all the same. Anderson really needs layering if he's to have meaning at the world title level. Otherwise, he's eventually going to be seen through and end up another woulda coulda shoulda guy. Oh definitely. That match was speed wrestling at its coolest. At the rate they are waiting to get the rematch lined up and staged, the Bucks are going to lose all their momentum from that win and folks are going to forget that new Generation Me name. Which would be a shame after the show they put on with the Guns. I get why it's happening. Time of change and all that. But if TNA's not careful. they will be wondering how they missed out on these guys after they put being in the right place at the wrong time behind them.

Sorry dude. Thanks for trying. But you're letting me off easy. Once you mentioned "The Crucial Crew" the excuse you're trying to give me flew out the window. I have sadly seen that reference often enough on here that I should have tied it in. So mea culpa for misreading. I saw a broader meaning than you intended and leapt before I looked.

I know. I mean I get why they went that way. This way they have a name for him that they can control but yet is still close enough that those who are already familar with him still know it's him. The thing I don't get is Bryan as a last name. Why not add the T at the end? Bryant has always sounded better as a last name to me than just Bryan or Bryans.

So essentially I misread and it's time to offer my mea culpas for that. Correct?

:: cries into face:: Wrong. A hundred million times wrong. They are doing what they know. Between ECW and Ring of Honor and maybe some various other indy places, think how long fans have been doing the This Is Awesome or the promotion's name as a chant. Many of the fans in a TNA crowd may not go back far enough with wrestling to know what chants were like before the ECW style stuff. Look at the ultra-annoying What thing. It's been so long ago folks may not know why it's done anymore or how it got started. All they know is that it's done and it's part of the experience to do it. It's like bringing a sign to support your favorite. You may have individual geek pockets trying to get themselves over. But the crowd as a whole? Ridiculous. I would be floored if that was even a consideration to the majority of the ECW crowd that did get over. From what I could tell when I had the stomach to observe for long enough, the ECW crowd was totally spontaneous. If by some stroke the TNA crowd is actively trying to get over in large enough percentages to debunk everything I've just said, then you can put them right next to Jeff Hardy in the Man, I Just Don't Get It file.

I hope not. Someone really needs to give that guy's character some texture before he can ever be watchable as champion. I'm rooting for Angle to win that match. No idea on who I want to win it all. But I know I'd prefer Anderson not to get out of the first round.

Very much agreed. One of my big beefs with the Internet is they want what they want, they want it nownownow and that'll all they seem to care about. I'm not a big fan of how the tag teams are letting largely lost in the shuffle at the moment. But it is significant that the regime shift is still gelling and that some stuff has to be expected to suffer during that. If the tag teams and the X Division guys are still getting short shrift at Christmastime, that will be time to complain. But it's like the Main Event Mafia. There's a finite life cycle for all the confusion and you gotta let it be during that life cycle. You try to rush the transition or act like it never happened the results will end up all the worse. For all their negatives as personalities, this is one prop I will give Hogan and Bischoff with their handling of TNA. They are acting like they get it this time around. Whether their new direction will ultimately be worth the time I can't say. But at least they seem to have a better grasp on the process of setting it than they've had in the past.

Becuase they are pushing him as a potential face of the company and he's "the DNA of TNA". Which a pretty good catchphrase considering how crappy the "TNA" name is for them. If they were booking him your way, I don't know I'd be as interested in him. It would be much more stereotypical than his current persona is. They way things stand, I've really enjoyed Morgan's development. Making him this cliched vigilante type you talk about would be a step backward at this stage.

In other words, no. Considering I only flit in out of Smackdown and don't have any real indy contact, I shouldn't have any clue who she is. But yes, I was right to expect I'd know her full name in passing.

Saw some bits and pieces of Smackdown in between commercial breaks of the Olympic opening ceremonies. Which, BTW, were impressive but too high concept to be entertaining to literal sensibilities. There's just one thing I want to know. Considering I drift in and out of Smackdown most of the time and I have no consistent contact with the indies any more, is there any reason I should have a clue who that woman Punk and Gallows last night was? I have the feeling I'll probably recognize her name in passing once someone mentions it. But I also imagine that's probably the best context I can hope for.

And it's a fair point. I'm trying to go by what I see and how my gut reacts to it. But I could be 100% wrong with what they have in mind. Knowing some of the personalities involved, it wouldn't surprise me at all if you ended up being right. I don't like the idea. I'd prefer it not to be true. But I can't discount it.

Actually I think this question might be better addressed to Masterded. I'm not the one who was suggesting TNA Creative might not know what they are even doing. I'm trying to play along with what I suspect is intrigue on the part of Hogan, Nash, and the Band by taking the threat of it seriously.

Okay, back to stuff that isn't hypothetical history. Anybody watch the whole Hogan scenario last night and still think he's not to be trusted? I know we're suppose to be shocked that the Hulkster turned around and waffled The Band. But man I saw it coming a million miles away. As soon as Hall and Waltman started acting like they'd turn things over to Hogan, I knew he'd waffle them. I'm not convinced for one minute Angle or TNA's story world can trust him. Any more than I believe The Band really turned its back on Kevin Nash. I still smell a huge setup. It's been years since Hogan's been the altruistic hero type even in the story world of wrestling. And Kevin Nash's been playing mind games as recently as a month and half ago jerking Mick Foley around. It feels so much like they are trying to resurrect the NWO. Except by getting invited in this time rather than pulling the hostile takeover. I could just be paranoid and overthinking because I'm too smart for what the writers want me to be. But can anyone here really blame me?

Can't say I'm too unhappy about that. While I did like the the feud with Big Poppa Plump When You Cook Him, all in all he never really brought that much to the table. I will be sadder though if that means no more Krystal on my TV. She'd be an awesome emotionally abusive harridan manager if they'd put her with some of the opener types to make them more interesting. But Bobby? He shouldn't let the door hit him where the Good Lord split him.

Well, the period when Idol was trying to piggyback off of Superstar Billy Graham's character is certainly a valid comparison. But Idol was stronger in ring than Anderson appears to be. I remember him best as the indy teaching veteran at the end of his career and his feud with Ox Baker. As such I loved Austin Idol. But yeah, this does seem like a more likely parallel.

Now this is one point that is completely undeniable.

All well and good. But that's not what has been translating. I can't speak for the others. But part of my problem (if it is mine) may be the fact we've been discussing characters that didn't necessarily translate to me as intended in the first place. Well you been pushing it a bit hard to just say he had core similiarities. You've been talking the guy up like he had achieved or is capable of achieving the Rock's levels of "Rockness" for lack of a better word. And he's no where near it. He's a mimic cutting and pasting pieces of the guys he wants to be into his work and not giving anything that feels organic. Which would be fine if he were in USPW or CGC. But he's not. He's in a company that the second largest in America and a national presence. He needs more going for him if he's going to be worthy of all the hopes and dreams his supporters have for him.

Agreed. Stone Cold may be what pushed Austin over the top but your "average journeyman" usually doesn't get a character to successfully cross company lines. Yet Austin did with the Stunning Steve persona. Making it work as a compelling character not only against his mentor Chris Adams in World Class but in high quality teams like The Hollywood Blondes and The Dangerous Alliance in WCW. If memory serves, he's the longest reigning TV champion WCW ever had. Or it might have been the US Title at the time. Was one of the two anyway. "Average journeymen" don't tend to have that on their resume. You can make the case Austin wasn't fully formed until Stone Cold but "average" is being needlessly harsh. Agreed. When The Rock was around, he could take lines "if you smell what The Rock is cookin'" and not only strip them of their ridiculousness but make them seem natural. He could take a an elbow drop with some random flourishes or a uranage and make them memorable. They say those who are most creative conceal their sources the best. Anderson doesn't seem to know how to conceal his sources. He clearly wants to be at The Rock's level and he's trying stuff that worked in the past or related variations of it and forgetting to put his own stamp on it. But I'll tell you what. You want me completely and utterly absorbed in Anderson tomorrow? For all my frustrations with him, it would be really simple. Just have someone, be it another talent or some fictional bloc of faceless fans, calling him out on his trouble bringing anything new to the table. If that charge were levelled against him in character, I'd love to see how he'd react. Would he come up with some catchphrase to counter things proclaiming his authenicity? Maybe he ditches the conceptually bland Mic Check and finds a new move he can make his own and call say the Mold Breaker. Perhaps he starts referring to his knack for making the old new again. Maybe just as folks used to like to framing warning promos in the structure of You Don't Mess Around With Jim by Jim Croce (you know tugging on Superman's cape and all that) maybe he could model a response to the copy cat charge in the terms of Seventh Son by Johnny Rivers. Those lyrics would make a great shtick for an Anderson type character. Maybe references to the differences in invention and perfection. I can't remember hearing of him ever having his authenticity called into dispute. Which would make it so fundamental an attack in-character it would make for great TV. Does Anderson have the foundation to be the next-gen Rock? Absolutely. But the reason The Rock got to be THE ROCK was because he built on that foundation. Anderson seems content to just have it and rest on the work of others. If I could just see him build around what he's got going and be able to say "Now THAT'S where the Ken part comes in", most if not all of my complaints would go away. Until that happens, he's still just a indy-caliber poser and a shell of what he's trying to be.

You know, I'd like to have had more thoughts here. But can't say much of anything. The run-on sentences killed any sense I had of your train of thought here. W That's just the thing. I was talking character too. The storylines were one thing. But it was his character development that really had me pumped about AJ. Before he went on the emotional roller coaster that was 2009, AJ Styles was just another guy on the TNA roster to me. I liked him to the level I was supposed to. But to really rally behind him, not so much. By the time he'd won the title at Bound For Glory however, he was my boy. I'd gotten deeply invested in his friendship travails and the whole psychological beatdown he'd suffered at the hands of the MEM and right on down the line. It was because he'd grown so much AS A CHARACTER that I embraced him as the champion and one likely to reign long. He was the gritty, scrappy underdog who'd scratched and clawed his way to the mountaintop. A guy I related deeply to. And what you're asking is the impossible. Believe me, I've tried to watch him as is. I just can't do it because I can't find the HIM in him. The look is pure Holly family. The shtick I still harken back to Road Dogg on. You can try to compare him to The Rock all you want. But The Rock took ownership of his catchphrases and made them feel organic in a way Anderson has never done for me. Even in the ring there's nothing to make me say "Man, Anderson's coming up. I can't wait to see those insanely high hiptosses." Or the killer aerial skills or whatever ring skill he has that sets him apart. There was nothing fancy about the Rock's trademark moves either. But he was able to make the People's Elbow and the Rock Bottom feel uniquely his. Anderson doesn't do that. He's just a pastiche of all these other people I've seen before. He's like a midcard e-fed wrestler brought to life. That's why I'm so "prejudiced" against him as you put it. I WANT to be able to pull something out of his routine that's distinctly him. I WANT to do what you suggest and take him as he is. It's the fact that there doesn't appear to be anything to find that turns me so far off from him. Yeah well, I've pretty much gotten used to the WWE issue. I'll look in from time to time and hope to see the talent I like on their roster have a cool match or what not. But what material I do watch of them I take almost as a vaccuum because I know I can't trust them to hold my interest over the length of a show.

Agreed. 100% here. And you know who else could be this way if they'd just recognize their full potential? WWE. It's not that they don't have the talent compared to TNA. They have plenty of talent I'd either like to watch more often or get to know. It's not that they can't put on better material. It's that they lack the willingness to. I know I probably come of as very anti-sports entertainment a lot of the time. But even in the context of that product, they could do a lot better. It's the entertainment part that they seem to lack. They have a rigid definition of it and that doesn't always translate properly to us the fans. You know, I think it's a little early to be saying that. Hogan and Bischoff have only been around for a month so for. They are still laying the groundwork for all their plans and schemes for the company. If things hold together well enough to talk this way in the summer or even better the end of the year, then you might have something. But let's allow the novelty to completely wear off before we go nuts about whether TNA really NEEDED the help. I'm not buying this at all. AJ had become one of the most compelling guys on the roster to me with the evolution they put him through in 2009. From fiery warrior for the Front Line to emotionally beaten to world champion was anything but a bland journey. While I do like the pairing with Flair and agree the heel turn feels rushed, I'd much rather have seen AJ continue to progress along the course he was on. He'd been TNA champion before but not as the fully formed face of the company he was blooming into in the final quarter of 2009. It's usually the Chicken Little critics of TNA who like to invoke WCW comparisions. But I feel like bringing Hogan in when they did and putting the brakes on the progress they had going was a very WCW-ish move. Just as WCW was when they finally closed, TNA was building to a very strong creative period when the brakes were slammed on. Your point on Joe I might grant you. His road wasn't quite as strong because there wasn't as strong a payoff to his journey as there was AJ's. For all the consternation there was between Joe and AJ when the Nation of Violence thing started, it never came to quite the head it could have. Between Daniels stealing Joe's thunder on the friend struggling with the shadow front and Nation of Violence membership never really growing beyond Joe and Taz, a good deal of meat was missing with the Samoan Submission Machine. I like that they are still exploring the strained friendship between Joe and AJ despite the transfer over to Hogoff. But so much more could have been done on Joe. At least that's what we're supposed to think. I don't know. Maybe Mr. Anderson is the wrestling equivalent of Ozzy Osbourne to me. Maybe like Ozzy, getting in the know late on Anderson cost me the ability to properly appreciate all he really has to offer. He wouldn't be the first boat I missed. The comparison to The Rock is hard to swallow though. I never had any trouble getting The Rock. I witnessed his evolution so there was never that "what the duck" feeling with him that I get with Anderson. I got why I should care about Rock. I'd seen him as far back as the crowd verbally wishing him dead. My first two thoughts upon seeing the then Mr. Kennedy for the first time where "Man, I thought the Hollys were all out of WWE now." and "Why is this schlump doing Road Dogg's aspiring announcer shtick?" Plus, Rock had the Peter Maivia/Rocky Johnson pedigree to justify him. Anderson was just some random guy I'd happened to see referenced in passing in Promotion Wars. I've just never been able to find a reason to care about Anderson. Between the heritage and having watched him evolve it was easy to care about The Rock. Anderson just feels like a pale imitation doing what he must to stay afloat in the business. There's nothing to suggest to me he has anything else to help him. I know that probably puts me in a distinct minority. But if I end up bailing on the Hogoff version of TNA, Anderson getting pushed too hard will probably be one of the reasons why.

I don't know I'd go quite as far as you have here. But I will say the show felt a little WWE in its layout this week. Segments were thrown on in entirely the wrong order and it hurt the overall feel of the show. I've seen a lot better out of TNA in the last year or so. But I've seen worse shows as well. I guess I can see this. They are most interesting by the association to Kevin Nash. The juxtaposition of Big Sexy trying to help keep them afloat while trying to be true to his relationship with Hogan is pretty good stuff. But you aren't kidding about the fat drunk uncle with Hall. And the sad thing is that in order to have the torn Kevin Nash you gotta have Hall around. Independent of Nash though, forget it. I'll deal with Waltman in a pinch. I've never had the antipathy for him many segments of the audience have. But Hall really needs to just disappear and go dry out. Are you kidding? It's scenarios like the tag match this week that finally brought me around on Team 3D. Whatever I may have felt about them in their primes or in WWE, Bubba and D-Von have rocked my socks since they started being the elder statesmen of TNA's tag scene. The hard-fought bonds of mutual respect they have formed with Beer Money and now apparently Hernandez and Morgan have helped make them more supportable and watchable as characters than I have ever known them to be in previous stops. Again, it seems we couldn't be further apart in perspective. I'm loving this Return of Angelina storyline. Her having gone from leader to replaced in The Beautiful People and learning to see her former friends as the rest of the roster does has been good TV so far. And I love the mutual respect thing she and Tara were doing after all the grief Angelina and the Beautifuls put Tara through when she debuted. I very much want to see where this will take Angelina's character. Will she eventually re-unite with Velvet and Madison? Will she ultimately learn to appreciate Lacey Von Erich or finally destroy her? Or will this view of how the other side sees her former clique result in a lasting reformation for Angelina? I'll agree on the physical assessment of the sporting goods department boobies. But that's the only place where it looks like we can agree here. Okay. The last part I couldn't argue with. But I love the current character Abyss has. Guys his size have been monsters forever and will be in the future. But sometimes it's good to see those guys stretch beyond that easy mold. The comedic Big Show, Kane dealing with career mortality, the child-like Abyss. Roles like these stretch the abilities of the talents involved. And while there will always be a place for monsters in wrestling. But the fact Abyss running down to the ring and Black Hole Slamming Bischoff onto a pile of thumb tacks would have to come as part of sticking up for Mick Foley doesn't strike me as necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes the good guys gotta have those guys you don't want to mess with needlessly as well. Good question. Meh. I don't get Anderson. I never have and I doubt I ever will. He just comes off as one of these guys who's risen far above his actual ability. He seems like he should be headlining some syndie company with the stature of a Ring of Honor. Not a regularly placed national promotion like WWE or TNA. Which means the whole name-holding shtick that allows him to get all this heat just alienates me rather than make me care what he does. An example of what I was saying earlier about the WWE-style show formatting taking away from the sum of the show's part. How this main evented over Styles/Pope is beyond me. At best, this should have been the first half of a double main event with Styles/Pope and the relevation of Joe cashing in his Feast or Fired shot at the PPV ending out the show. I'll go you one better. I loved the idea of this match with the way they merged the Bischoff/Nash relationship with the recent Nash/Foley history. But this in no way should have been the finale. The combined shockers of the world champion losing a non-title match to an up-and-coming challenging and getting a PPV challenge from a long time friend turned enemy should have over-ridden this even with all the story positives. And I will include the picture spot in that. Mick hesitating over waffling Kevin with a treasured memento is beautiful character development. But there are two flys in the ointment here. The first is how much more compelling and immediate AJ's situation is from a competitive standpoint. And the second is that the "assault" by Hall and Waltman smells like a set-up. Like Nash set up a phony breakup of The Band. I can't keep but think he's trying to compel contracts for his thug buddies so he can get "revenge" on them. Thereby killing the drama that would otherwise be. Good question on Wolfe. He's an awesome character and that would have built up the King of The Ring-ish tourney at the PPV by giving him to gloat about his place in it. I'd have liked a little promo from him as well.

I hope you're right and something like this comes about. It would make for a really good salvage job on TNA Creative's part. Because trying to make Jarrett the heel so abruptly after the last year plus of battling Angle and then whole MEM scenario wasn't going to fly. Even if it might have been Jarrett's natural state prior to that. Folks had gotten too accustomed to cheering for him to just go "Okay, he's whole now. We can go back to hating him." I have my reservations about Hogan/Bischoff seeing how much the base would appreciate this. Sounds a little TEW to happen in reality. But we've see some really oddball stuff over the last decade or so. So I guess it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility.

Two reasons. 1: Because Bischoff was trying to punish Mick for sticking to his guns and stating publically his distaste for having to associate with Easy E. 2: Because Bischoff was taking advantage of Nash's recent history with Foley to extract a favor from Big Sexy No clue. Hopefully they will answer that next week. Dude, this is Scott Hall you're talking about. If you could find two unpickled cells to rub together anywhere in his body, I'm not sure they'd even be willing to associate with each other. And I'm positive neither of them would be in what now passes for his brain. The last time those cells functioned we were all still concerned about the Y2K bug. No. Believe me it's not. I've been trying to make sense of the Bischoff/Hogan/Jarrett relationship since Mr America arrived in TNA. I've been faring about as well as the alien computer in some early sci-fi movie after it's been asked to divide by zero. Bischoff + Hogan + Jarrett is the very definition of not computing.