lazorbeak Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Putting the belt on veteran wrestlers had nothing to do with the demise of either. AWA went under because primarily WWF kept stealing their talent along with Verne Gagne doing some good old fashioned embezzlement with their funds. WCW went under due to a mix of shoddy Russo-esque booking decisions and a poisionous backstage environment. Not embezzlement, Verne owned a bunch of undeveloped land in MN and had mortgaged it to keep AWA afloat, but lost an eminent domain suit that meant he got a payout but lost his access to credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I never realized that the Ryan Katz working in NXT is GQ Money. I loved that guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rone Rivendale Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I never realized that the Ryan Katz working in NXT is GQ Money. I loved that guy. And more importantly, he was Fabian Kaelin from Wrestling Society X. I loved that character. It's the whole reason I followed him on Twitter recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Final Countdown Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Turned on Raw for the first time in months. Heard Big Show's music, changed channel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Nection Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Turned on Raw for the first time in months. Heard Big Show's music, changed channel. LMAO! Yeah I think it might be time for the big guy to hang it up. There is nothing left for the big guy to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitarzu Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Here's the bracket for the WWE WHC title tournament. Quite easy to predict... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Nection Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Here's the bracket for the WWE WHC title tournament. Quite easy to predict... I'll try my hand.... Reigns vs. Big Show Cesaro vs. Shemus Del Rio vs. Stardust Kalisto vs. Ryback O'Neil vs. Owens Neville vs. Barrett Ziggler vs. Miz Ambrose vs. Breeze Round 2 Reigns vs. Shemus Del Rio vs. Ryback Owens vs. Neville Ziggler vs. Ambrose Round 3 Reigns vs. Del Rio Owens vs. Ambrose Finals Reigns vs. Ambrose I won't catch RAW until tomorrow but I think this will be how it goes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhawk8492 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Hopefully Reigns turns heel and joins the Authority at Survivor Series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Nection Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Hopefully Reigns turns heel and joins the Authority at Survivor Series. I was hoping this as well....kind of reminds me of The Rock joining The Corporation at his first Survivor Series victory/WWF title victory lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhawk8492 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I was hoping this as well....kind of reminds me of The Rock joining The Corporation at his first Survivor Series victory/WWF title victory lol. Reigns is just BORING as a face and fans are rejecting him like fans rejected Rocky Maiva as a smiling face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crychon Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Cesaro/Sheamus and Neville/Barrett are the only ones that could really go either way in the first round. But in either case one winner loses to Reigns and the other loses to Owens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Reigns is just BORING as a face and fans are rejecting him like fans rejected Rocky Maiva as a smiling face. A big part of that is their entire booking of him. It just feels like he never earns anything. For example this tournament his first opponent if Big Show in a crappy match where he gets his ass kicked, hits his finisher, and wins. If they really wanted to minimize the hate people are going to have against Reign in the tournament the best thing would have been to put him up against guy who can give him a great match like Cesaro or Owens. Have the matches be the stiff ***+ matches that Reigns has on PPV so that it at least feel like he fought for his place in the tournament. They want Reigns to be popular yet they repeatedly book him in the same manner that draws hate as if things would change. It's insanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitarzu Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I don't predict because I saw Raw, but there are two, to be exact three but I and you already wrote a lot, things bumming lately: 1) Why in 2015 I have to watch crappy CGI effects and sound effects I heard watching Scooby Doo when I was a kid in late '80? 2) MexAmerica, the automatic corrector changed to Metamerica, is one of the dumbest, idiotic and also offensive thing I saw in a long time. Not only like going outside with two flag cut and sewed together, they are using crappy photoshop using another country official emblem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mootinie Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 They want Reigns to be popular yet they repeatedly book him in the same manner that draws hate as if things would change. It's insanity. Because they don't care. Nobody in WWE is a draw. John Cena goes away and the ratings don't go down. Lesnar comes and goes without moving the needle. Legends are announced, no gain. Network subscribers have been consistent for the better part of six months - so why does it matter? They could make Heath Slater the World Champion and the ratings probably wouldn't be affected. They legitimately have no reason to try and make the fans like Roman Reigns because whether you like him or not, 3 million people will still watch RAW the next night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Raw was OK. Too many roll-up and cradle finishers. Cesaro vs Sheamus was really good. Breaking Ground on the other hand has my undivided attention every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawn Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Here's the bracket for the WWE WHC title tournament. Quite easy to predict... Reigns beat Show. Cesaro beat Sheamus. Del Rio beats Stardust. (Unfortunately) Ryback beats Kalisto. Owens beat Titus. Neville beats Barrett. Ziggler beat Miz. Ambrose beat Breeze. Reigns beats Cesaro. Del Rio beats Ryback.. Owens beats Neville. Ambrose beats Ziggler. Reigns beats Del Rio. Owens beats Ambrose. Reigns beats Owens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mootinie Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Breaking Ground on the other hand has my undivided attention every week. The first two episodes were really really good. Sad I didn't get to see more Allysin Kay in Episode #2 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 because whether you like him or not, 3 million people will still watch RAW the next night. Of course they will, there's no viable alternative to WWE. Sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Scott Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Of course they will, there's no viable alternative to WWE. Sadly. After AJ left, there's been no real reason for me to watch WWE. I still keep up with it, but ROH & LU mainly consume my wrestling needs. I'll watch NXT occasionally as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhawk8492 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 TNA has better matches then WWE. Say what you will about there storylines but there matches are solid. That is why I like TNA better. TNA, ROH, Lucha Underground and NJPW are ALL better then WWE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_CoC Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 TNA has better matches then WWE. Say what you will about there storylines but there matches are solid. That is why I like TNA better. TNA, ROH, Lucha Underground and NJPW are ALL better then WWE. I dissagree. In terms of matches maybe, WWE still deliver some of the best matches through out the year. The talent that WWE has in my opinion is better than any other roster. For every Adam Rose there is a Cesaro or Kalisto or Neville or Ambrose. I'll give TNA its credit it has proven yo have a better weekly product than WWE on multiple ocasions. Honsetly I find WWE creative more frustraiting than TNAs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russelrules44 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 I dissagree. In terms of matches maybe, WWE still deliver some of the best matches through out the year. The talent that WWE has in my opinion is better than any other roster. For every Adam Rose there is a Cesaro or Kalisto or Neville or Ambrose. I'll give TNA its credit it has proven yo have a better weekly product than WWE on multiple ocasions. Honsetly I find WWE creative more frustraiting than TNAs. Aces and Eights, Immortal and more recent so called 'GFW Invasion'. That is all I need to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Scott Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Aces and Eights, Immortal and more recent so called 'GFW Invasion'. That is all I need to say. Aces gave Bully a great first title reign, and pulled one of the biggest swerves in TNA history. WWE has had PLENTY of Immortal moments. And while the Global Force invasion was bad, we got a bloody good match from Myers/Lee & Wolves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_CoC Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Aces and Eights, Immortal and more recent so called 'GFW Invasion'. That is all I need to say. The push of Reigns, Batista winning the Rumble and The Wyatts being destroyed for no reason on RAW. Both companies are frustrating but WWEs seem like obvious mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 TNA has been a years-long train crash in slow motion, let's not talk about it in the WWE thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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