Russelrules44 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 <p>Shane...</p><p> Kevin...</p><p> Sami...</p><p> </p><p> It's...it's just not right.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Nection Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Russelrules44" data-cite="Russelrules44" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Shane...<p> Kevin...</p><p> Sami...</p><p> </p><p> It's...it's just not right.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Sounds to me the best thing to ever happen to Sami....freshens that guy right up.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CQI13 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 <p>KO to RAW, Sami to be the rebellious heel against Shane/Bryan.</p><p> If he loses the goofy hat and gets a serious entrance I am all for it.</p><p> If it's "I don't like KO but I couldn't see someone do that to him" I will be disappointed.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 <p>PPV was solid. Awesome tag team HiaC match to start things off. Enjoyed the women's title match as well until the ending. Again: why this on a special card? Why??? I get it for the MitB Ellsworth fiasco: it's the only time and place to do it. But this was a normal match. It doesn't make sense. PPV should be DQ-title change by default... Makes any defending champion look like a complete idiot for not making use of the ruling and takes any hint of realism out of the promotion.</p><p> </p><p> Roode vs Ziggler was nice. The NoGimmickNeeded thing doesn't really fit Ziggler like a charm, but the action was good. Corbin took the wind out of the sails but as the Perfect Show is really a thing that might not be so bad. The main event went as expected, but a good match nontheless with a surprise twist. Just the way we like it. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mootinie Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I was aggravated by the finish to the opener. Xavier Woods lies there motionless with a chair on top of him, after he's kicked out of a pin and shown signs of life but I'm supposed to believe that a stomp is enough to knock him out long enough for that finishing sequence? Why didn't he just move? That took me out the match a little but otherwise it was really fun, I like a good plunder brawl and this was as violent as WWE is ever going to be these days. The Uso's have been a revelation in their current role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 <p><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Hell in Cell:</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong>Kickoff show</strong> - Aiden English should be on commentary for Rusev's matches. He's handy on the mic. Hype Bros vs Gable & Benjamin was a solid match.</p><p> <strong>New Day vs Usos</strong> - Great match with innovative use of weapons and offense. They really did as much as they could with PG limitations. It's refreshing that The Usos are effective heels without having to cheat. I'm surprised they won. Time to push Gable/Benjamin and Breezango.</p><p> <strong>Rusev vs Orton</strong> - Solid match with a cool finish but I don't care about the feud and I don't like to see Rusev lose.</p><p> <strong>Dillinger vs Corbin vs Styles</strong> - Great match. Corbin looked like a legit beast. I'm OK with him being US Champ if it means AJ moves up to the main event before Mania.</p><p> <strong>Charlotte vs Natalya</strong> - Good match and the non-finish made sense (because Charlotte wouldn't quit and Natalya isn't really "the best there ever was" like she thinks so she took the easy way out). Natalya's best match in a long time. Loved Charlotte's selling of the knee damage.</p><p> <strong>Nakamura vs Jinder</strong> - Solid match, bad result.</p><p> <strong>Roode vs Ziggler</strong> - Solid match. Dolph should have stolen Roode's entrance by now. In fact that's what should have started the feud in the first place to get some heat on it.</p><p> <strong>Shane vs Owens</strong> - MOTN. Unusually long but it held my interest. The visual of them fighting on top of the cell was awesome. Zayn screwing Shane over was a huge WTF moment,better than the usualy boring PPV endings! I predict we'll get a conflicted Zayn, not a full heel turn, like when he flirted with the dark side in his NXT feud with Neville (although he's already gone one step further).</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Verdict:</strong> Good PPV, if a little long. 4 standout matches and everything else was passable. Nakamura and Rusev losing were the only 2 things I didn't like.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><strong>the non-finish made sense (because Charlotte wouldn't quit and Natalya isn't really "the best there ever was" like she thinks so she took the easy way out).</strong></div></blockquote><p><strong> </strong></p><p><strong> It's true that it makes sense from a storyline perspective. Call me oldfashioned, but I still spit on PPV non-finishes. This one wasn't so high up the card, so I'll swallow it, but it's a pity. They can easily do non-finishes to title matches on SD! imo.</strong></p><p><strong> </strong></p><p><strong> What was with the "winner faces Asuka" match? Pretty weird and inconsistent. I thought they wanted nothing more than avoid her.</strong></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Questlove Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Anybody else just burst out laughing at the Sister Abigail promo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graav Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Questlove" data-cite="Questlove" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Anybody else just burst out laughing at the Sister Abigail promo?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Maan, the edited voice was so cheesy and goofy</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurphy1014 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Questlove" data-cite="Questlove" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Anybody else just burst out laughing at the Sister Abigail promo?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Didn't laugh (was close) but if they end up having Bray painted up as "Sister Abigail" they might as well send him back to NXT to reboot himself as a new character. I'm hoping that they use one of the women in NXT (who hasn't been on TV) as Sister Abigail to try and save Bray. That and bring Harper and Rowan to Raw to reform the family.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rone Rivendale Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> What was with the "winner faces Asuka" match? Pretty weird and inconsistent. I thought they wanted nothing more than avoid her.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> In any sport (or sport entertainment) every person/team believes they are the best. You have to, or else it's pointless to even compete.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rone Rivendale" data-cite="Rone Rivendale" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>(or sport entertainment)</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You put that between ()'s for a reason. That's just it: it doesn't apply to sports entertainment. It's competition of a different nature. Even in sports you don't have to believe you're the best. But we shouldn't be discussing that here. My point was that it made little sense. But then again: lots of things in WWE booking (and other companies for that matter) don't make sense. Emma got dominated back in NXT and now she's thrilled to undergo the same fate. I guess some people are just masochistic. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 I liked the Bray/Abigail segment for 2 reasons: It was hilarious (even if that probably wasn't the intention) and no matter what Bray gets saddled with his commitment to character and acting skills are top notch. Owens/Zayn and New Day/Usos segments on Smackdown were great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Nection Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Anybody else just burst out laughing at the Sister Abigail promo? I facepalmed hard on that..... WWE wants to put it in your face that they showcase women on an equal stage as men now but then they give the most highly anticipated female character reveal to Bray Wyatt. The winner of the Mrs. Wrestlemania battle royal winner...Santino Morella. First Women's Money in The Bank Champion James Ellsworth. Wow just wow how do they continue to miss the mark with these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 then they give the most highly anticipated female character reveal to Bray Wyatt. The winner of the Mrs. Wrestlemania battle royal winner...Santino Morella. First Women's Money in The Bank Champion James Ellsworth. Wow just wow how do they continue to miss the mark with these things. The whole positive discrimination thing regarding transgenders is all the hype nowadays. They're just cashing in. Too bad everyone and its mother hates that it's stuffed in your face like this. Funny that - in entertainment - it's everywhere nowadays: movies, videos, games,... But it's really a marginal phemonenon and it way overrepresented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Trask Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 It's 'transgender people' and if the representation is bad it isn't overrepresenting at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blake Trask" data-cite="Blake Trask" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It's 'transgender people' and if the representation is bad it isn't overrepresenting at all.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Of course they are highlighting that they are "people" too. Just like the "people with disabilities". If I was one of them I'd be offended.</p><p> </p><p> Anyhow, sorry for bringing this up, as K-Nection's post wasn't about that at all. It was about WWE not treating the division well by bringing in outsiders to leech from their pop.</p><p> </p><p> I hope that's not what they are doing with Enzo now. If they pull him back from this gig after first sucking the life out of the division that'd be a huge mistake.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 <p>Rumor going around Neville has left WWE <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Supposedly walked out before Raw where he was supposed to lose to Enzo in the main event (Kalisto was scheduled to beat Enzo at TLC). If I had to guess: Neville probably a breakdown in contract negotations with Neville wanting a pay rise and main roster push with Vince saying no you're a crusierweight. I doubt dropping the title to Enzo (even if he might have hated him) would have been enough to push him to quit.</p><p> </p><p> Also looks like Creative guy Jimmy Jacobs (ex-ROH wrestler and creator of The List of Jericho) might have been let go for posting a selfie on Twitter with The Bullet Club during their recent "invasion" of Raw.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Nection Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Rumor going around Neville has left WWE <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Supposedly walked out before Raw where he was supposed to lose to Enzo in the main event (Kalisto was scheduled to beat Enzo at TLC). If I had to guess: Neville probably a breakdown in contract negotations with Neville wanting a pay rise and main roster push with Vince saying no you're a crusierweight. I doubt dropping the title to Enzo (even if he might have hated him) would have been enough to push him to quit.<p> </p><p> Also looks like Creative guy Jimmy Jacobs (ex-ROH wrestler and creator of The List of Jericho) might have been let go for posting a selfie on Twitter with The Bullet Club during their recent "invasion" of Raw.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> ....Vince is the one who killed kayfabe and gets mad when his creative team are taking selfies with indy guys??? What the hell is wrong with him?</p><p> </p><p> Neville deserves a spot on the main show. He is very good in the ring and him working heel is way better than him being a not as interesting hurricane lol.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 <p>I can imagine him quitting given:</p><p> </p><p> 1. Amore really is a dick backstage as everyone says.</p><p> 2. Amore getting 3 consecutive main events despite lacking in-ring talent.</p><p> 3. His contract is not reflecting his stellar performances.</p><p> </p><p> The combo of asking for more and being refused while some other dude is just laughing in your face is not a recipe for good workplace conditions. I don't know about recent injuries but if that is added to the mix people would just look for other horizons, especially knowing from experience that once you've had "cruiserweight" gold, the best has passed you and you'd be lucky with a status quo. It's probably a good thing. He is a very solid worker but success in other promotions would be better for him, as he can main event there. </p><p> </p><p> If other promotions bet on the cruiserweight division that would open up opportunities to gain massive pop, kind of like you can use women in the C-verse to overcome the top dog. The women have basically been cleaned out by now, but the free agent cruisers are a pot of gold.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graav Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 <p>Ok. **** WWE once and for all. I'm done. </p><p> They fired Jimmy Jacobs for taking a photo while JBL was ****ing up the entire locker room without consecuences</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurphy1014 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 <p>I saw this comment on another site and it makes sense as to why they let Jacobs go. </p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color:#FF0000;">"He took a picture of them as they were at a staged event making fun of the people who pay his salary. That is a huge difference. He then posted the picture with this caption: #BCInvasion #RAW #youngbucks #bulletclub #villian #hangmanpage #WWE"</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> Not to mention that apparently he had issues with other members of management prior to the picture.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russelrules44 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="smurphy1014" data-cite="smurphy1014" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I saw this comment on another site and it makes sense as to why they let Jacobs go. <p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color:#FF0000;">"He took a picture of them as they were at a staged event making fun of the people who pay his salary. That is a huge difference. He then posted the picture with this caption: #BCInvasion #RAW #youngbucks #bulletclub #villian #hangmanpage #WWE"</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> Not to mention that apparently he had issues with other members of management prior to the picture.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I say he got what he deserved. Not because of him hanging out with the Bullet Club, but more how he acted on his own part.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Russelrules44" data-cite="Russelrules44" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I say he got what he deserved. Not because of him hanging out with the Bullet Club, but more how he acted on his own part.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah. Do whatever you want during your breaks, but don't make it public with what could be interpreted as a mockery of the WWE top. You know how highly they value social media... It was a stupid move. Too bad for him, though. He had a good thing going. Maybe he just got too cocky to attempt things like this.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack ryder Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 <p>I have not watched the sister Abigail segment but I think WWE made the right choice by giving it to Bray Wyatt himself as it might give something new to play with and it safeguards a female wrestler from maybe having a bad start as the storyline is tricky and it might fall very hard so it might be the best situation to debut anyone.</p><p> On the Jimmy Jacobs things, I think he was wrong in posting a selfie with a group of wrestlers who were insulting your current employer if it was a Friday night club photo no one would have batted an eye.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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