Makhai Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 I'm to the point that I think I'm being gaslighted with this show. Cringeworthy sexual Innuendo with no purpose, reused boardroom shots, non-sensical draft picks, Olympian Shorty Gable, pointless title changes, terrible robot promos, stop-starting their main event feud, it's nothing but a land of confusion boys. Turn the book over to Brazzers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makhai Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Bischoff lasted 2 weeks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Supposedly Bischoff was only there for name value to help the Fox deal go through. Bruce Prichard has taken his place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makhai Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Supposedly Bischoff was only there for name value to help the Fox deal go through. Bruce Prichard has taken his place. Then why did he move to Stamford full-time a couple of months ago? I don't buy it. Think FOX absolutely flipped when they saw the 1M rating drop and Vince had to pull the rip cord on his sacrificial lamb, and replace him with another yes man who he can throw on the sword. Eventually he's going to run out of these gambits and what happens then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mootinie Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Were FOX even watching Smackdown before they picked it up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullMETAL Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 <p>Going back to Undisputed Era for a second:</p><p> </p><p> Adam Cole - I get, and see, that he's very good in the ring, and great at being an asshole, but I've never seen anything that makes him <em>special</em>, or at least, I don't seem to see what others are seeing.</p><p> I've always wondered why Adam Cole, out of other Create-A-Wrestler Templates, has been considered a standout guy when, again, he just comes off like a Create-A-Wrestler Template (number 2 or 3, depending on the game).</p><p> </p><p> Roderick Strong - I've always likened him to a modern-era Dean Malenko, and can also see that he has SOME charisma, but I agree with people's sentiment about him needing a <em>character</em> and not just being "Messiah of the Backbreaker".</p><p> </p><p> Fish & O'Reilly - They feel like "the overachieving frat boys who annoyingly excel at things and are good at martial arts and wrestling" and I think they should lean more into the frat-boy dudebro aspect of that (I get that feeling purely from the "Kyle playing his belt like a guitar" championship entrance) in terms of character work.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> WWE already has enough generically cocky heels, the Undisputed Era need to be CHARACTER heels more. At least, just in my opinion.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> For comparison, Ciampa's got the character-heel thing down pretty much PERFECTLY. Pretty much.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makhai Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mootinie" data-cite="Mootinie" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Were FOX even watching Smackdown before they picked it up?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> My educated guess is no. They had a huge content gap with UFC jumping to ESPN+ and they saw the WWE as a stable property that could give them what they needed. The stock was up, the talent was all over ESPN, Stephanie was running PR. They were doing philanthropy. If you looked at the WWE from the outside you'd think the company was booming. </p><p> </p><p> Then you watch the TV, you hear the crowds, you look at the year-over-year rating declines. </p><p> </p><p> Any sensible person would probably pull the ripcord on this, ASAP. But, FOX needs a lot of content. And with NFL, MLB, and a huge amount of sports content, they will probably keep them for a good while until they can figure out what else can give them this much content. Or put together a package of things that could. Live-action sports products(which is how FOX views them) are highly prized and expensive. Look at what DAZN is spending for middle-teir boxing bouts and you'll see what's happening. </p><p> </p><p> So I don't see them canceling at least until next fall.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 <p>- Ciampa vs Garza was good.</p><p> - Brit-Am Brawlers vs Imperium was good.</p><p> - Io vs Cayden was good. Moonsault looked sick. I'm enjoying Rhea picking a fight with everyone.</p><p> - Lee vs Dijak was good as usual. I like that they upped the stakes. Roddy screwed Roddy.</p><p> - Riddle vs Reed was solid.</p><p> - Taynara vs Tegan was solid. Time for Team Fly Kicks to whip Shayna's goons.</p><p> - Boa vs Dain solid.</p><p> - Dunne vs Priest was great.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mootinie Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Adam Cole - I get, and see, that he's very good in the ring, and great at being an asshole, but I've never seen anything that makes him special, or at least, I don't seem to see what others are seeing. I've always wondered why Adam Cole, out of other Create-A-Wrestler Templates, has been considered a standout guy when, again, he just comes off like a Create-A-Wrestler Template (number 2 or 3, depending on the game). Yeah I've never understood it either. But he was a lock to sign for WWE the moment he got noticed. He was young, good looking, always reliable in the ring and he had bounds of charisma for somebody so inexperienced. I remember everybody thinking as far back as 2013 that WWE signing him was a matter of when and not if. But, I really don't think he's come along and developed very much further since then. My educated guess is no. They had a huge content gap with UFC jumping to ESPN+ and they saw the WWE as a stable property that could give them what they needed. The stock was up, the talent was all over ESPN, Stephanie was running PR. They were doing philanthropy. If you looked at the WWE from the outside you'd think the company was booming. Then you watch the TV, you hear the crowds, you look at the year-over-year rating declines. Any sensible person would probably pull the ripcord on this, ASAP. But, FOX needs a lot of content. And with NFL, MLB, and a huge amount of sports content, they will probably keep them for a good while until they can figure out what else can give them this much content. Or put together a package of things that could. Live-action sports products(which is how FOX views them) are highly prized and expensive. Look at what DAZN is spending for middle-teir boxing bouts and you'll see what's happening. So I don't see them canceling at least until next fall. Ah, that makes sense. Surely, all things considered, they knew that Brock was the only "draw" on that first show that was sticking around. Right? They must have known the ratings would drop once normal service resumed, which makes their supposed discontent, and the firing of Bischoff all the more baffling to me. Did they think 4 million people were going to tune in to see The New Day vs. The O.C.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 <p>NXT ratings:</p><p> </p><p> Sept. 18 (one hour on USA): 1.179 million</p><p> Sept. 25 (one hour on USA): 1.006 million</p><p> Oct. 2: 891,000</p><p> Oct. 9: 790,000</p><p> <strong>Oct. 16: 712,000</strong></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 <p>I don’t know if it’ll be in WWE/NXT or else where but I think Marcel Barthel is going to be a star.</p><p> </p><p> Also, Io Shirai is the best woman on any brand by a long shot.</p><p> </p><p> I can’t believe I’m saying this, but Damien Priest/Punishment Martinez has grown on me greatly.</p><p> </p><p> Shorty G *cringe*</p><p> </p><p> Smackdown was surprisingly good.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 <p>Smackdown was solid. New camera angles, logical storytelling, some decent action and promo time for plenty of superstars.</p><p> </p><p> <img alt="KTaMzRi.gif" data-src="https://i.imgur.com/KTaMzRi.gif" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><span>http://images.memes.com/meme/441197</span></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makhai Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mootinie" data-cite="Mootinie" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah I've never understood it either. But he was a lock to sign for WWE the moment he got noticed. He was young, good looking, always reliable in the ring and he had bounds of charisma for somebody so inexperienced. I remember everybody thinking as far back as 2013 that WWE signing him was a matter of when and not if. But, I really don't think he's come along and developed very much further since then. <p> </p><p> </p><p> Ah, that makes sense. </p><p> </p><p> Surely, all things considered, they knew that Brock was the only "draw" on that first show that was sticking around. Right? </p><p> </p><p> They must have known the ratings would drop once normal service resumed, which makes their supposed discontent, and the firing of Bischoff all the more baffling to me. Did they think 4 million people were going to tune in to see The New Day vs. The O.C.?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The word on the dirts is that FOX is looking for 3.8M viewers on average to consider this worthwhile. If that's the number. Everything makes sense.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makhai Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>NXT ratings:<p> </p><p> Sept. 18 (one hour on USA): 1.179 million</p><p> Sept. 25 (one hour on USA): 1.006 million</p><p> Oct. 2: 891,000</p><p> Oct. 9: 790,000</p><p> <strong>Oct. 16: 712,000</strong></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They have one of the oldest scews on TV, 54 is the age of the average viewer. Either AEW has devoured every viewer under 40 or they've been a company for Ensure ads from the beginning. Surprising.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mootinie Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 The word on the dirts is that FOX is looking for 3.8M viewers on average to consider this worthwhile. If that's the number. Everything makes sense. Dave Meltzer has said that FOX wanted a 1.0 in the 18-34 demo number, and they got 0.75 on Friday night. I don't know the exact number but I think the show was watched by something like 2.5 million viewers. Is the show moving to FS1 a demotion of some sort? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mootinie" data-cite="Mootinie" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Dave Meltzer has said that FOX wanted a 1.0 in the 18-34 demo number, and they got 0.75 on Friday night. I don't know the exact number but I think the show was watched by something like 2.5 million viewers.<p> </p><p> Is the show moving to FS1 a demotion of some sort?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's baseball's World Series next week, so it's just a clash of schedules. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Though I'm sure they are a little disappointed with the ratings so far, but the show was not strong. With all the competition around the WWE needs to start putting their best foot forward and remind everyone of why they used to be can't miss TV.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greylocke Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 <p>I kind of like the idea of Alexander Wolfe being Imperium's recruiting man, although I still struggle to take Ilja Dragunov seriously, so it's hard for me to get into whatever story they seem to be planning between them.</p><p> </p><p> In fact, if they really have to surround Walter with lackeys, I would have preferred it if Wolfe was the one who actually put the stable together. He's better as the Cult Leader type of character. Walter can simply be someone they choose to support because he's clearly the top guy, and he tolerates their presence because they show reverence and deference to him. I'm hoping that would be the direction they go with, that Wolfe turn to be the real brain behind the stable and they eventually turn on Walter.</p><p> </p><p> The motivations of the stable have been kept pretty vague. Gallus and Undisputed Era are pretty straightforward heel units who are out for the typical things like titles, spotlight and accomplishments, but they keep making references about "the ring is sacred to them", making them more of a cult with its unique agenda rather than a mere plain alliance between bad guys watching each other's backs. But it's not clear exactly what it was about people like British Strong Style, Kushida or the Hunt that offends them or supposedly "desecrates" what's sacred to them. Some elaboration would be nice.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Raw had some good matches but most of it was focused on Crown Jewel... ugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 <p>- Rhea vs Bianca was a good match between 2 of WWE's best homegrown talents. Just the right amount of interference.</p><p> - Riddle vs Grimes was great. I hope they follow up on that Bate/Grimes interaction. I'd like to see Riddle and Bate team up or fight one day.</p><p> - Breezango & Swerve vs Forgotten Sons was good. Big win for Swerve. I love Breezango's gimmicky entrances.</p><p> - Garza vs Gallagher was a fun match. I'm not sure why they don't use Gallagher on NXT UK.</p><p> - Team FlyKicks vs Shayna's Goons was OK. Duke & Shafir have improved enough to handle themselves in short matches. I'm excited for the Kabuki Warriors match!</p><p> - Lee vs Dijakovic vs Strong © was MOTN. That Tower of Doom spot was scary. Holy crap! I didn't expect Balor's inevitable heel turn to take place in NXT.</p><p> </p><p> <img alt="FyJsHRC.gif" data-src="https://i.imgur.com/FyJsHRC.gif" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Shafir and Duke are still green as heck. They’re just bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makhai Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Shafir and Duke are still green as heck. They’re just bad.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If you want people to get better, they need to wrestle at some point.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Makhai" data-cite="Makhai" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If you want people to get better, they need to wrestle at some point.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That’s what NXT house shows are for.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Jim Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Shorty G reminds me so much of the time I made Greg Gauge into G-Squared on TEW and deliberately gave him a terrible gimmick to slow down his progress so he would hang around the mid-low card for a while before I was ready for him to break out. Except they seem to think this is the breakout gimmick and the right time to push him. What was wrong with the name Chad Gable? He could have had the exact same character change without the stupid name change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Smackdown was mostly boring but Finn was good on the post-show. The Prince is back: https://streamable.com/3aezh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mootinie Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Smackdown did 888,000 viewers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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