The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[LoganRodzen]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Second..Logan your brain is screwy because Austin put over The Rock big time early in their rivalry (although you could argue Rocky would've been a star regardless) and then, <strong>when Triple H made his jump to the main event in 01,</strong> it was his feud with Austin (specifically going over clean at No Way in that 2-of-3 fall match) that cemented him as a main eventer.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I argue that by 2000 HHH was already a star. His matches with Foley (No Way Out 2000) cemented him as a bad ass heel. Austin had nothing to do with it in my eyes.</p>

[PeterHilton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shawn michaels 82" data-cite="shawn michaels 82" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>First of all, Autin didn't exactly leave. He would still be in the ring to this day if it wasn't for Owen and some other injuries. And the Rock...well,yes he is the only one having a succesfull career...but he is not a leading man to any extent and in any degree. A good career,but he's not the next Schwarzennegger. Not yet at least. And i doubt he'll get bigger. From now on...down is the way. And he will end up returning like they all do.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> He's banking $10-15 million a movie for those Disney family movies...he's easily as successful as guys like Jason Statham or Ryan Reynolds. </p><p> </p><p> If he comes back, it won't be because he has to.</p>

[PeterHilton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="LoganRodzen" data-cite="LoganRodzen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I argue that by 2000 HHH was already a star. His matches with Foley (No Way Out 2000) cemented him as a bad ass heel. Austin had nothing to do with it in my eyes.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'd disagree.</p><p> </p><p> EDIT: still think you're high if you think Vince wouldn't kill to have an Austin/Rock level star. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[ampulator]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>First..you guys are high if you think Vince & Co don't want to create another giant megastar. <p> </p><p> That's like saying the Cleveland Cavs would never draft a top player like Lebron because he might leave in 7 years again.</p><p> </p><p> Second..Logan your brain is screwy because Austin put over The Rock big time early in their rivalry (although you could argue Rocky would've been a star regardless) and then, when Triple H made his jump to the main event in 01, it was his feud with Austin (specifically going over clean at No Way in that 2-of-3 fall match) that cemented him as a main eventer.</p></div></blockquote><p> A couple of years ago, I would dismiss this theory too. </p><p> </p><p> But the problem is, WWE wants to have its cake, and eat it too. They want the Mega-star, but they don't want to have the problems associated with having a Megastar. </p><p> </p><p> They have TRIED to make a Megastar out of John Cena. That I can see. But there are some things they are simply unwilling to do if that means they can make it so that John Cena has a lot of leverage on them. </p><p> </p><p> Right now, if John Cena left, WWE has ways to build the next star.. the same can't be said for the Rock or Austin. They were huge. Them leaving hurt the WWE a lot. </p><p> </p><p> More important to Vince than money... is control. He will put money above anything else, EXCEPT Control. WWE may not be able to get the Austin/Rock right now, but they can get darn close... they want to, but they don't the workers get bigger than them.</p>

[Stennick]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shawn michaels 82" data-cite="shawn michaels 82" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>First of all, Autin didn't exactly leave. He would still be in the ring to this day if it wasn't for Owen and some other injuries. And the Rock...well,yes he is the only one having a succesfull career...but he is not a leading man to any extent and in any degree. A good career,but he's not the next Schwarzennegger. Not yet at least. And i doubt he'll get bigger. From now on...down is the way. And he will end up returning like they all do.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> By leading man I mean entire movies made with him as the focus. Scorpion King, The Game Plan, The Tooth Fairy, Gridiron Gang, I could go on but the point is the guy is not making 100 million dollar films but Disney one of the biggest movie companies in the world has made severla movies with him as the star of the movie. Thats what I meant by leading man.</p><p> </p><p> He doesn't want to be Arnold, he's gone the kids, family route more than the action movie route. Its everyone ELSE that wanted him to be Arnold but he's gotten away from that. Honestly he's a naturally funny guy that works well in the types of movies he's in. Are they classics? no but they work.</p><p> </p><p> He's very much a leading man in the movies I've named off. I'm not saying he's Richard Gere but the movies he's in he's the focus of most of the time. Plus he's got a movie with Wahlberg, Jackson and Ferral coming out where he stars alongside of them thats a pretty good deal.</p>

[LoganRodzen]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'd disagree.<p> </p><p> EDIT: still think you're high if you think Vince wouldn't kill to have an Austin/Rock level star. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Lies, Peter. Lies! Do you remember the main event as Wrestlemania 2000? HHH walked into a 4-way dance as champ and walked out as champ. Austin had nothing to do with that. HHH was a star by that point and everybody knows it. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> I am high, but I truly believe Vince doesn't want to make a star like that again.</p>

[ampulator]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="LoganRodzen" data-cite="LoganRodzen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Lies, Peter. Lies! Do you remember the main event as Wrestlemania 2000? HHH walked into a 4-way dance as champ and walked out as champ. Austin had nothing to do with that. HHH was a star by that point and everybody knows it. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> I am high, but I truly believe Vince doesn't want to make a star like that again.</p></div></blockquote><p> No, he wants the megastar, he just doesn't the issues that comes with having a megastar. Like I said before, wanthing to have your cake and eat it too.</p>

[PeterHilton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>They have TRIED to make a Megastar out of John Cena. That I can see. But there are some things they are simply unwilling to do if that means they can make it so that John Cena has a lot of leverage on them. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They created an entire film division in order to push him to those major star levels. What else could they have done?</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>More important to Vince than money... is control. He will put money above anything else, EXCEPT Control. WWE may not be able to get the Austin/Rock right now, but they can get darn close... they want to, but they don't the workers get bigger than them.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah...not buying it.</p><p> </p><p> The workers they have now just don't have the combination of looks, starpower, and raw charisma that Austin and Rocky did. It's not that they are being nerfed by the WWE..they just can't do it.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="LoganRodzen" data-cite="LoganRodzen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Lies, Peter. Lies! Do you remember the main event as Wrestlemania 2000? HHH walked into a 4-way dance as champ and walked out as champ. Austin had nothing to do with that. HHH was a star by that point and everybody knows it. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> meh...i hated that WM. It might be personal bias but I really loved Trips back then. But when he beat Austin in that feud, even the people I knew who didn't like him finally admitted he was the sh*t.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I am high, but I truly believe Vince doesn't want to make a star like that again.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Not buying it. Where's the downside?</p>

[PeterHilton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>No, he wants the megastar, he just doesn't the issues that comes with having a megastar. Like I said before, wanthing to have your cake and eat it too.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> THIS makes sense I suppose...I'd still say they trade the "issues" for the chance to have another megastar that could possibly drag the WWE back into the mainstream</p>

[Stennick]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>A couple of years ago, I would dismiss this theory too. <p> </p><p> But the problem is, WWE wants to have its cake, and eat it too. They want the Mega-star, but they don't want to have the problems associated with having a Megastar. </p><p> </p><p> They have TRIED to make a Megastar out of John Cena. That I can see. <strong>But there are some things they are simply unwilling to do if that means they can make it so that John Cena has a lot of leverage on them</strong>. </p><p> </p><p> Right now, if John Cena left, WWE has ways to build the next star.. the same can't be said for the Rock or Austin. They were huge. <strong>Them leaving hurt the WWE a lot. </strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong>More important to Vince than money... is control. He will put money above anything else, EXCEPT Control. </strong>WWE may not be able to get the Austin/Rock right now, but they can get darn close... they want to, but they don't the workers get bigger than them.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This just reaks of internet smarkyness. Do you know Vince McMahon personally? If Vince likes control so much why does he have television deals in place that give him very little control? I could go on and on but nobody knows what makes Vince tick or whats important to him now or back then. </p><p> </p><p> Again your pretending like they have had the chance to make someone into the next Rock or Austin and made sure it didn't happen. John Cena would be feuding with D Lo Brown for the I.C title in the era where Undertaker, Mankind, Triple H, Kurt Angle, The Rock, Austin were all in the main event. </p><p> </p><p> There is no way to say they don't want a star that big because they haven't HAD a star that big. Its not like John Cena is anywhere NEAR the star that Rock and Austin are and they decided to squash that by toning him down. He's MORE popular now than he's ever been and he's still not half of what they were. </p><p> </p><p> As far as Rock and Austin leaving hurting the company. That has nothing to do with them being too big and leaving unbalanced the company. They still had The Undertaker, Kurt Angle etc and that had nothing to do with them leaving and everything to do with the writing team doing exactly what they clowned on WCW for doing. They grabbed a main event team of guys and rode them into stardom and when those guys started to leave or spend time injured they didn't have anyone else built up to take their place. </p><p> </p><p> Its cute to have conspiracy theories that Vince is this all controlling dictator but if this were the case why would he have let Austin and The Rock get as big as they did? When Hogan declined the company dropped MUCH farther than it did when Rock and Austin left. When Hogan left the company nearly when bankrupt. When Rock and Austin left they went from doing 5.0's every week on t.v and getting 500,000 ppv buys to doing 3.5's and 300,000 buys per ppv. </p><p> </p><p> While we're at it why don't we talk about everybody in pro wrestlings personality. I mean we all know them on a personal level so well. We know exactly where their values lay and in what order so we might as well just start going down the line. Seriously this whole Vince has to have ultimate control schtick is about as old as "HHH sleeps with the bosses daughter" and "glass ceiling omgz"</p>

[ampulator]

<p>Look, I don't have to know Vince's personality. Just LOOK at the public history. He built Hogan up. Hogan leaving cost him. Vince built Austin and the Rock. Them leaving hurt him. </p><p> </p><p>

Does Vince want to go throught that again? Maybe, maybe not. He wants the money he gets from having a megastar. He has tried to make another one (John Cena). In fact, there are several people they can push. They won't be the Rock/Austin/Hogan level, but they CAN be RIGHT below it. They can do it right now. They have the right people, and the right tools. Why won't they do it then?</p><p> </p><p>

Like I said, they want to have their cake and eat it too. If they can't have that, they will just take the cake.</p>

[LoganRodzen]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>No, he wants the megastar, <strong>he just doesn't the issues that comes with having a megastar</strong>. Like I said before, wanthing to have your cake and eat it too.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's what I meant. The positives to having a mega-star are endless, but the negatives far outweigh the positives.</p>

[Stennick]

<p>It has nothing to do with cake and eating it to. Its a different product. The Rock and Austin wouldn't even be as big as they were with this product. Austin has said so himself that he wouldn't have gotten over in a PG environment. </p><p> </p><p>

I'd curious as to who they could push that would be right below Austin and The Rock. CM Punk is good but he's not even in the top five in charisma in the E let alone does he have the main stream look that Austin and The Rock had. John Morrison has the look but he has even less mic skills than you'd expect. </p><p> </p><p>

John Cena IS right below Rock and Austin in terms of populary and star power. I don't know of three other guys on the roster that can get as big as John Cena is. </p><p> </p><p>

Business didn't go down near that much when Rock and Austin left. They left in 02 ratings were in teh 4.0's, now days ratings are still in the 3.5's. They have grown their international markets. Point being is they have gotten creative and been able to sell the WWE as a BRAND. So when people buy PPV's they do it because its the WWE not because they want to see Rock Austin or Cena. </p><p> </p><p>

In 1998 it was Rock, Austin, Taker, HHH, etc. that was making the company money. Now days its the WWE name brand that sells. Literally everything they do now days is focused more on the brand than the wrestler. I bet you hear the word WWE Universe on television more than a single wrestler outside of John Cena. </p><p> </p><p>

Rock and Austin leaving didn't do near the damage that people think it did. Heck Austin was hurt from 99-01 anyway. People forget Austin had about two good years in 97-99, he was hurt most of 2000 and he turned heel in 01. So Austin as a super selling babyface was only about two years or so. He made an impact sure but by 2001 they had already made the decision that Austin as a top drawing babyface wasn't in the companies plans anymore. Also by 2001 The Rock was headed to make a summer blockbuster movie, he missed the entire InVasion Angle. </p><p> </p><p>

So by 2001 the WWE had already written Austin and The Rock out of most storylines. It wasn't them that made the WWE fall in popularity it was the creative teams mis handling of the company's direction from roughly that time period on.</p>

[ampulator]

Actually, John Cena, is at best, 3 levels below the Rock and Austin right now. He could be more...

[LoganRodzen]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Actually, John Cena, is at best, 3 levels below the Rock and Austin right now. He could be more...</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I don't think he can. I think Vince realizes he went about the Cena thing the wrong way. He took the same exact approach as he did with Hogan. He shoved Hogan down everyones throats back in the 80's/early 90's and he's done the same with Cena in the 00's.</p>

[PeterHilton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="LoganRodzen" data-cite="LoganRodzen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That's what I meant. The positives to having a mega-star are endless, but the negatives far outweigh the positives.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> How so? not being argumentative..I'm being serious.</p><p> </p><p> How do the negatives (they leave) outweigh the positives ( years of massive buyrates, massive ratings, a giant surge in popularity and public awareness, millions of dollars in merchandise and DVD sales, an increase in the value of stock) of having a star of the Rock and Austin's level?</p><p> </p><p> EDIT: going back to this comparison...Lebron James left the Cleveland NBA franchise. Does anyone honestly believe that Cleveland team wouldn't draft another star of Lebron's level in a heartbeat if they had the chance?</p>

[LoganRodzen]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>How so? not being argumentative..I'm being serious.<p> </p><p> How do the negatives (they leave) outweigh the positives (massive buyrates, massive ratings, a giant surge in popularity and public awareness, millions of dollars in merchandise and DVD sales, an increase in the value of stock) of having a star of the Rock and Austin's level?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I understand. Bear with me though - booze has taken its toll on me today. I'm slower than usual (which isn't by much). <img alt=":o" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/redface.png.900245280682ef18c5d82399a93c5827.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Think of it as if it were TEW... when you build a massive star what are the downsides? He wants a massive pay check, merchandise cut, PPV cut, travel cut, creative control, etc. I understand that the PPV buys, merchandise, etc. are massive in real life and thinking of it like a video game is stupid... but is it all that different? These guys ego's become massive and all they want is bigger and better things. They become complacent in their lifestyles instead of being hungry for more.</p><p> </p><p> Vince doesn't want to create a guy with 100 popularity throughout North America just to have him leave him out in the cold. I stick to my point about Austin not making anybody into a star... what did WWE ever gain from Austin beyond massive cash flow? I truly don't think he helped any wrestler... ever.</p><p> </p><p> Even if he did help Rock out... he ended up leaving too, so it didn't accomplish anything.</p>

[Stennick]

Yeah even if that player left after three years the positives WAY outweigh the negatives. I agree.

[PeterHilton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="LoganRodzen" data-cite="LoganRodzen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I understand. Bear with me though - booze has taken its toll on me today. I'm slower than usual (which isn't by much). <img alt=":o" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/redface.png.900245280682ef18c5d82399a93c5827.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Think of it as if it were TEW... when you build a massive star what are the downsides? He wants a massive pay check, merchandise cut, PPV cut, travel cut, creative control, etc. I understand that the PPV buys, merchandise, etc. are massive in real life and thinking of it like a video game is stupid... <strong>but is it all that different?</strong> These guys ego's become massive and all they want is bigger and better things. They become complacent in their lifestyles instead of being hungry for more.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's really different. </p><p> </p><p> You're talking about doubling the level of their current business. No one would say no to that just to keep from dealing with personality issues and ego problems</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Vince doesn't want to create a guy with 100 popularity throughout North America just to have him leave him out in the cold. I stick to my point about Austin not making anybody into a star... what did WWE ever gain from Austin beyond massive cash flow? I truly don't think he helped any wrestler... ever.<p> </p><p> Even if he did help Rock out... he ended up leaving too, so it didn't accomplish anything.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think you're underrating massive cash flow. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> And it accomplished quite a lot because that incredible surge in popularity kept them successful and relevant for YEARS. There's quite a few fans around today (hell there might be members of the roster that wouldn't even be wrestlers) that probably wouldn't be following the E if not for guys like Rocky and Austin</p><p> </p><p> There's just no way to put a number to what having a star that big means.</p><p> </p><p> It's worth it. Totally worth it.</p>

[Stennick]

Yeah I don't even know how the argument has lasted this long. The positives of having a mega star on that level far outweigh any and all negatives. Plus neither Rock or Austin were ever that hard to deal with from what I remember. Austin didn't like JJ and didn't want to job to Lesnar on a random show but other than that both of these guys put over tons of people.

 

The only reason the WWE doesn't have a star like that today is because there isn't anyone on that level. It has nothing to do with them not wanting it, or preventing it. Flat out they don't have the talent around for it to happen.

 

Peter's right the popularity the WWE had in the 2000's. Come on an 8.4 segment rating, you guys realize that there are network television shows that don't get an 8.4 segment rating. That popularity kept them alive long after they left. As Peter said there are guys on the roster that are wrestlers BECAUSE of Rock and Austin.

 

I don't think people realize just what kind of crazy money Austin and The Rock were making in all facets seen and unseen for that company. Also I don't think people realize that the Rock and Austin weren't making NEAR what they were worth.

[ampulator]

Vince let them get to that level because he needed it. He needed Hogan to get to level. He CAN let Cena get to that level... but he does he believe he needs it? Mark my words, if wrestling hasn't gone further if or because nothing new is implemented, then you will see how, not if, correct I am.

[PeterHilton]

Vince let them get to that level because he needed it. He needed Hogan to get to level. He CAN let Cena get to that level... but he does he believe he needs it? Mark my words, if wrestling hasn't gone further if or because nothing new is implemented, then you will see how, not if, correct I am.

 

Again..this sounds ridiculous. Just laughably, stupidly improbable:rolleyes:

 

THEY STARTED A MOVIE DIVISION FOR CENA...

 

What exactly is left to do that Vince is keeping in his back pockets to prevent Cena from achieving the Rock level of fame?

[TheEdgeOfReason]

So what you're saying is that you think Vince would rather trundle along for the next 4 years with rating and buys as they are rather than have a mega star who bumps ratings way up and buys too. Makes him a bundle of cash, possibly cause a few problems backstage(which is what you seem to think worries him) and raises exposure of the WWE brand worldwide. Then leaves? I know if I was Vince I would kill for a Rock or Austin mega star.

 

Is it me or are there alot of Cleveland fans posting today?

[ampulator]

Again..this sounds ridiculous. Just laughably, stupidly improbable:rolleyes:

 

THEY STARTED A MOVIE DIVISION FOR CENA...

 

What exactly is left to do that Vince is keeping in his back pockets to prevent Cena from achieving the Rock level of fame?

Actually booking him correctly?

 

So what you're saying is that you think Vince would rather trundle along for the next 4 years with rating and buys as they are rather than have a mega star who bumps rating way up and buys too. Makes him a bundle of cash, possibly cause a few problems backstage(which is what you seem to think worries him) and raises exposure of the WWE brand worldwide. Then leaves? I know if I was Vince I would kill for a Rock or Austin mega star.

 

You are correct, but half-way. He wants the megastar. He just doesn't want the megastar problems. But you can't have the megastar without the megastar problems, can you?

[LoganRodzen]

Yeah I don't even know how the argument has lasted this long. The positives of having a mega star on that level far outweigh any and all negatives. Plus neither Rock or Austin were ever that hard to deal with from what I remember. Austin didn't like JJ and didn't want to job to Lesnar on a random show but other than that both of these guys put over tons of people.

 

I've read stories that label Austin as big of a whiny superstar as HBK was back in the 90's. And from what I've read Austin was as humble as can be in ECW and anything before WWF. I think you guys are underestimating a massive ego.