The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[lazorbeak]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Russelrules44" data-cite="Russelrules44" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I actully have 2 things to say.<p> </p><p> Bret Hart vs Chris Benoit for the World Title- This damn sure better be on it for what it's worth.</p><p> </p><p> Goldberg vs Hulk Hogan for the World Title- While this damn sure wasn't a technical classic, It did mark a changing of the tides in WCW.</p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Despite how much sense it would have made, Hulk Hogan and Goldberg never wrestled on PPV, ever. So I doubt that'll be on there. Their one all-time match is already on the Best of Nitro vol 1. There's also virtually no chance of that other match, for obvious reasons. </p><p> </p><p> The real question is, how many Dean Malenko matches are they going to sneak into the WCW PPV set? I mean he had amazing matches with Rey, Dragon, Eddie, Jericho, and basically the rest of the roster, but could never carry a "Best of Dean Malenko" DVD.</p>

[Jaysin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Russelrules44" data-cite="Russelrules44" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> </p><p> Bret Hart vs Chris Benoit for the World Title- This damn sure better be on it for what it's worth.</p><p> </p><p> Goldberg vs Hulk Hogan for the World Title- While this damn sure wasn't a technical classic, It did mark a changing of the tides in WCW.</p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> For Bret and Benoit, I'm guessing you mean Mayhem 1999 in the finals of the world title tournament. </p><p> </p><p> But Hogan and Goldberg as far as I can remember never faced each other on a ppv. Goldberg won the title on Nitro and lost it to Nash at a Starrcade.</p><p> </p><p> *edit*</p><p> Oops, lazorbeak beat me to it.</p>

[TheWrestlingMan]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You're kidding, right? I mean she was only in the company for 8 years.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> JTG has been in WWE for 6 or 7 years and you see how much success he has....</p>

[Rickymex]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TheWrestlingMan" data-cite="TheWrestlingMan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>JTG has been in WWE for 6 or 7 years and you see how much success he has....</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Not even the tag titles when they were hot against Legacy. Really sad since Cryme Tyme was a fun and capable team.</p>

[Jaysin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The real question is, how many Dean Malenko matches are they going to sneak into the WCW PPV set? I mean he had amazing matches with Rey, Dragon, Eddie, Jericho, and basically the rest of the roster, but could never carry a "Best of Dean Malenko" DVD.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The best part about the matches he's had with all of those people is, I've seen them a dozen or so times and they still suck me into the point where I forget who wins and get suckered into the near falls.</p><p> </p><p> *Edit*</p><p> The American Wolves wrestled at the NXT tapings as the American Pitbulls. Davey Richards was billed as John Cahill and Eddie Edwards was billed as Eric Philbin. I got quite a chuckle out of those. Then again, I feel like one of the only people in the world that hates the name Eddie Edwards. If your last name is Edwards, why on earth name your kid Ed, Eddie, or Edward?</p>

[milamber]

<p>If they get signed they'll have to get rid of those crap names. American Wolves is a marketable name. Use the wolf sound effect at the start of the theme and have wolves on their tights.</p><p> </p><p>

<a href="http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/publish/WWE/article10034478.shtml" rel="external nofollow">The American Pitbulls Entrance</a></p>

[milamber]

<p><strong>NXT Highlights:</strong></p><p> </p><p>

- Opening segment was good. Bo Dallas returns from his world tour (wearing a party hat). JBL endorses him as "The Face of NXT." Zayn interrupts and calls Bo a "delusional cheeseball". JBL threatens to suspend Zayn and the fans for being disrespectful. JBL sets up a Beat the Clock #1 Contenders Series.</p><p>

- Devon Taylor is doing backstage interviews with Neville and Bayley. She's hot but she's not as good as Renee Young.</p><p>

- Rusev beat Big Cas in 5:33. I read that Rusev is line for a call up to the main roster. Cas might not be far behind if he keeps improving.</p><p>

- Ohno beat Breeze in 4:48. Breeze dominated but couldn't Ohno outpowered him in the end.</p><p>

- Neville beat English in 4:43.</p><p>

- Zayn beat Kruger in 4:43. JBL insults the referee then announces Neville vs Zayn #1 Contenders match for next week.</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Verdict:</strong> Best NXT in some time. The returns of Dallas, Zayn and Kruger gave it the star power its been lacking. The #1 Contender matches, despite their brevity, were a great way to showcase the roster.</p>

[milamber]

<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><strong>Smackdown Review:</strong></span></p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Rhodes Bros vs Real Americans (Tag Titles)</strong> - Good match and they didn't hold back. The Rhodes obviously retained.</p><p>

<strong>Rybully vs Khali</strong> - Why???</p><p>

<strong>Naomi & Cameron vs AJ</strong> - The Funkadactyls slapped AJ's ass, Tamina and Cameron brawled and Naomi won.</p><p>

<strong>The Wyatts</strong> - Bray cut one of his best promos yet on Punk & Bryan.</p><p>

<strong>The Shield vs The Usos & Rey</strong> - Good match. Rey (who won the match) was protected for most of the match but he didn't look rusty.</p><p>

<strong>Big Show & Orton</strong> - Decent back and forth to hype their SS match.</p><p>

<strong>Axel & Sandow vs Ziggler & Big E</strong> - Logical combination of feuds but the match was too short. They totally butchered Big E's theme <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p>

<strong>Bryan vs Harper</strong> - Harper manhandling Bryan was awesome. Punk came out and Bryan rolled Harper up for the win. The Wyatts destroyed Punk and Bryan post-match. I'd like to see Rowan get a chance to impress after SS.</p><p> </p><p>

<span style="text-decoration:underline;"><strong>Verdict:</strong></span> Top quality Smackdows. One of the best pre-PPV shows this year.</p>

[lazorbeak]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TheWrestlingMan" data-cite="TheWrestlingMan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>JTG has been in WWE for 6 or 7 years and you see how much success he has....</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> And who could forget JTG's two playboy covers, numerous WWE PPV posters, etc. while working as a non-wrestler. Wait, what are we comparing apples to again?</p>

[Rone Rivendale]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>And who could forget JTG's two playboy covers, numerous WWE PPV posters, etc. while working as a non-wrestler. Wait, what are we comparing apples to again?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Melons, apparently. ^_~</p>

[Teh_Showtime]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If they get signed they'll have to get rid of those crap names. American Wolves is a marketable name. Use the wolf sound effect at the start of the theme and have wolves on their tights.<p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/publish/WWE/article10034478.shtml" rel="external nofollow">The American Pitbulls Entrance</a></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think they wont go by Wolves because the Ascension is already like a dark/gothic team and Wolves are typically animals in that same mold</p>

[Rickymex]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think they wont go by Wolves because the Ascension is already like a dark/gothic team and Wolves are typically animals in that same mold</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Plus American Pitbulls sound like really good merchandise. The american flag with a cool pitbull face on a shirt or hat sounds cool.</p>

[BobbyRogers]

Tonight

 

Get ready for Survivor Series

 

http://www.kayfabenews.com/smug-wrestling-fan-looking-forward-to-hating-survivor-series/

[FINisher]

One thing just occurred to me and this is very rare: There's not a single match on the card that I'm interested in Usually there's atleast one match that I'd really like to see but this Survivor Series card has none. Not one single match. Really, really weird.

[Teh_Showtime]

Not particularly interested in the 5v5 match but the wrestlers in it consistently have great matches so Im sure it will be MOTN by a wide margin.

 

Otherwise I feel the same, they really fumbled a very possible team Show/Bryan vs Team HHH/Orton match

[rd_dbacks01]

Title merger soon?

[milamber]

<p><strong>Survivor Series Review:</strong></p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Kofi vs Miz</strong> - OK match. Miz won and Kofi slapped him. Kofi looked good. Miz looked sluggish and needs to improve.</p><p>

<strong>Rey, The Usos & The Rhodes Bros vs Real Americans & The Shield</strong> - Great opening match. Loved Rollins' head stomp. Reigns getting moon-pushed. Only a matter of time before he and Rollins turn on Ambrose after his poor performance.</p><p>

<strong>Axel vs Big E (IC Title)</strong> - OK match. They need to give Big E a new finisher, more mic time and entrance pyro.</p><p>

<strong>Divas vs Divas</strong> - Most of them were acting heelish so it was fun filler. Nikki's new backbreaker finisher looked cool.</p><p>

<strong>Ryback vs Henry</strong> - OK match. Henry should be Orton's opponent at TLC.</p><p>

<strong>Del Rio vs Cena (WHC Title)</strong> - First half was all boring rest holds. Second half was good. Should have ended with the STF instead of the AA again. Might have been better as a No DQ match.</p><p>

<strong>Punk & Bryan vs The Wyatts</strong> - Bray is killing it with his promos. More a slow-paced brawl than a wrestling match but I enjoyed it. Surprised at the result but a brutal rematch at TLC looks likely. I'm a big fan of Harper but I was happy to see more of Rowen.</p><p>

<strong>Big Show vs Orton</strong> - Not bad but a match that short shouldn't get justified "boring" chants. The RKO and punt (which didn't look that good) was a nice winning combination but it certainly wasn't a main event worthy match. Again, a No DQ stipulation might have helped. Cena's trolling was interesting.</p><p> </p><p>

<strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Verdict:</span></strong> Weakest PPV since SummerSlam and the slump continues. The Shield match and Punk & Bryan vs The Wyatts were my favorite matches. Everything else was average. The main event was a let-down. MVP: Roman Reigns.</p><p> </p><p>

<span>http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHiAodsCQAAiFaN.jpg:small</span></p>

[milamber]

<p><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Raw Review:</span></strong></p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Orton & Cena</strong> - I'm down with a Unified WWE Title match at TLC (even if it reeks of desperation after a run of disappointing PPVs).</p><p>

<strong>The Shield vs RhodeDust & Rey</strong> - Good fast-paced match. Redemption for Ambrose after he let his team down at SS.</p><p>

<strong>Miz TV</strong> - Heel Miz & Titus were funny. Michael Strahan was one of the better guest hosts.</p><p>

<strong>Big E & Henry vs Axel & Ryback</strong> - Not bad. I'd love to see Henry & Big E tag as occasional tag partners.</p><p>

<strong>Divas vs Divas</strong> - So bad is was funny and cringeworthy at the same time.</p><p>

<strong>Sandow vs Ziggler (Hardcore match)</strong> - These 2 need to have a themed hardcore match every month.</p><p>

<strong>Punk & Bryan vs Wyatt Family</strong> - Renee should be valet for the The Beard & The Best. Good match again. I love this feud!</p><p>

<strong>Kofi vs Miz</strong> - Fun match of one-upsmanship. Kofi showed some personality. Shame the crowd crapped on it.</p><p>

<strong>Woods vs Slater</strong> - The dude is talented. Give him his own theme.</p><p>

<strong>Main Event</strong> - Average match between 4 stale main eventers. 1st half was all slapping and brawling. 2nd half was better when Show copped a beating, making the heels look strong.</p><p> </p><p>

<strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Verdict:</span></strong> I was dreading this Raw after a disappointing SS but I enjoyed most of it. Divas sucked and the main event was boring.</p>

[Slim Jim]

Orton & Cena - I'm down with a Unified WWE Title match at TLC (even if it reeks of desperation after a run of disappointing PPVs).

 

My immediate thought after Triple H announced it (and I'm not claiming this to be visionary, as I've already seen numerous people mention it elsewhere) was that they'll each grab one belt so the unification won't happen. It makes sense to have it at Wrestlemania 30, really, but stretching this out that far... could make for some dull television. Or they could pull it off, and they do seem to up their game for Mania. Obviously have to wait and see.

 

Also hoping this Beard & The Best is leading to Bryan vs Punk at Mania.

[Rickymex]

My immediate thought after Triple H announced it (and I'm not claiming this to be visionary, as I've already seen numerous people mention it elsewhere) was that they'll each grab one belt so the unification won't happen. It makes sense to have it at Wrestlemania 30, really, but stretching this out that far... could make for some dull television. Or they could pull it off, and they do seem to up their game for Mania. Obviously have to wait and see.

 

Also hoping this Beard & The Best is leading to Bryan vs Punk at Mania.

 

Or they could each take the other's belt an we have John Cena as WWE champion once again.

[Dawn]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rickymex" data-cite="Rickymex" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Or they could each take the other's belt an we have John Cena as WWE champion once again.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Or they could scrap these plans.</p>

[Tha Black Phenom]

I think this is for real. They're crowning an undisputed champion to kick off 2014.. this is similar to Chris Jericho's undisputed title win on 2001, he won both belts in December as well. It portrays the upcoming Road to WrestleMania in a different perspective, and there might(keyword, might) be more emphasis on the Rumble winner.

[Jaysin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Tha Black Phenom" data-cite="Tha Black Phenom" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think this is for real. They're crowning an undisputed champion to kick off 2014.. this is similar to Chris Jericho's undisputed title win on 2001, he won both belts in December as well. It portrays the upcoming Road to WrestleMania in a different perspective, and there might(keyword, might) be more emphasis on the Rumble winner.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> D-Bry as Rumble winner with Cena as "Undisputed" Champ and have them face each other at Mania. I know, unlikely, but a guy can dream can't he?</p>

[Dawn]

For me, it's obvious that CM Punk is going to win this Royal Rumble Match, at least by now.

[milamber]

NXT Review:

 

Tatsu vs Cesaro - I like to see established talent on NXT but it was a waste having them face each other. Cesaro got in Saxton's face and Regal came to the rescue (setting up a future match).

Parker vs Dallas - Match was OK but too short. Dallas won with a bulldog off the ropes, which shouldn't be his finisher.

Breeze vs Ohno - Rusev ambushed Ohno before the match started as revenge for last week's loss. Breeze took advantage and got the quick pin.

Hunico & Camacho vs The Ascension - With almost no tag teams left in NXT, the tag champs lost to the mexican heels to build some competition.

Neville vs Zayn (#1 Contenders Match) - One of the best NXT matches of 2013.

 

Verdict: Lots of matches, although some them suffered from a lack of time. Main event was quality. Plenty of good backstage segments (Parker & Dallas, Natalya & Paige, Summer/Sasha & Bayley, Neville & Zayn). MVP: Adrian Neville who now looks ready for the main roster. Best quote: Bo on commentary to Renee, "You're really smart for a Canadian."