The Final Countdown Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="demondragonking" data-cite="demondragonking" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I want the crowd that was at Rumble to be at Mania 30. All of them. I can just IMAGINE their reactions to the main event and it makes me smile. <p> </p><p> Seriously though, WWE has always had their 'we know what's best and you'll like what we give you' attitude, granted that it fluxes and wanes over time,but even when Vince steps down I seriously doubt that will change in the slightest.</p></div></blockquote><p> Mania crowds usually seem to be pretty smarky these days; remember how they reacted when Bryan got jobbed out in 18 seconds or whatever it was? If that trend holds up, Orton/Batista will get crapped all over.</p><p> </p><p> And I'm sure that won't change when Vince is gone. An Evolution main event at WMXXX, featuring a dude in his mid-40's who hasn't wrestled in four years and isn't <em>that</em> big a star, especially in comparison to recent Mania part timers like Rock and Brock? That's got HHH written all over it IMO.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demondragonking Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Considering that HHH runs NXT and it is consistently the best wrestling show every week, I personally cant wait for Vince to go away</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I firmly believe that Vince won't go away until he's in the ground. It'll be a sad day when that happens for sure, but the man has lost touch with things, IMO.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stennick Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Final Countdown" data-cite="The Final Countdown" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I hear you, Stennick. I passed on going in on ordering the Rumble with a buddy for exactly the reasons you listed. It's clear to me that they don't view Bryan as "the guy", no matter how loudly the crowd reacts to him, and that has a lot to do with why Raw is no longer on my DVR schedule.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thats the logical thing to do. Instead of continuing putting yourself through figurative hell by hoping that the next ppv or the next RAW is the night that it finally happens. Its not happening but some people will watch Elimination Chamber, hell they will watch after the WWE tells them Bryan isn't even involved in it in hopes that they are being served, then when they aren't swerved they will be mad at the WWE. "why did you tell me Bryan wasn't going to be in a match and then when he doesn't win the match he wasn't in make me get mad at you".</p><p> </p><p> I don't watch it because I don't enjoy Batista, Orton, or Cena. I do enjoy Brock but its hard to enjoy a guy thats around 12 times a year. I'm not even a Daniel Bryan fan much I find him pretty bland and I think that if Khali was doing this "Yes" gimmick people would hate it even if he was getting these reactions but the point is I don't like so I don't watch. Others are mad when the guy they want to win doesn't win when he, the company and everyone else told you he wasn't even IN the match.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="20LEgend" data-cite="20LEgend" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Bryan losing and not being in the Rumble only makes him stronger <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> And WWE know that. Didn't mind Reigns not winning, but it's a good sign for him long term and the crowd are invested in him. What WWE do best is making me want more. Might be annoyed at certain outcomes but I know for a fact I'm a whole lot more behind certain guys after tonight. I think the 'internet fans' are the people who get most invested into their own versions of face and heels these days. Seems like a modernised versions of regular face/heel reaction to me, but who knows.</p><p> </p><p> No complaints from me, especially considering how invested I got in wanting Reigns to win it <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />. Cena/Orton out of the way on the Rumble where it wasn't a main focus, so we know we won't see it again. Good show IMO, I enjoyed it.</p><p> </p><p> I do agree that there is increasingly good reaction to the new guys and think they're not far off (maybe after Mania) having a few guys really break out as stars. The future is bright <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> WWE certainly know their audience as far as I can tell</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> We are in total agreement. I've always felt the Internet fans, PPV fans, and the fans that will more then likely be there for RAW tomorrow (almost identical in opinions), are in the palm of WWE creative palms. Perfect example is Arrows reaction, although I don't think they really wanted to lose his financial investment, I definitely think it was done to get him riled up/angry, etc... Not him personally, but those that share the same viewpoints.</p><p> </p><p> I believe it's been their long term goal to get everyone in that same mindset about Bryan all along. Not just the IWC but to get all fans in total 100% agreement, so the payoff will be as big as it can possibly get.</p><p> </p><p> I don't think they expected the reaction they got in the abundance they got it in, but I do think they will feel it was that more successfull because of it.</p><p> </p><p> Like you said, it's the new face/heel divide, and they been working all these internet viewpoints to their own advantage. If anyone thought about it for just a second, it's not hard to see the wheels turning at all. IWC says "They will never give it to Daniel Bryan, because he doesn't have the "WWE" look." Then Triple H comes out and say "You just don't have the right "look" to be the face of the WWE." I mean, even the whole "Face of the WWE" isn't what they come up with, that's what IWC critics used to describe Cena forever, and so they took it and use it in their storylines. Almost everything to do with Daniel Bryan and (face) CM Punk (weren't you the guy that said "He just don't have what it takes to make it here?") are stories gathered up from internet critic opinions. </p><p> </p><p> They take what people believe to be true, turn them into current storylines, and the what I find funny is that these people that call themselves "Smarks" actually buy into it 100%. The Irony is that they are now the biggest "Marks" I've ever seen or heard since I started watching it in the first place, because they believe these are actual "problems", although they are storylines being played out.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattywood Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Unless I've missed it pages back, I'm surprised no one has brought up that according to reports(take them with a grain of salt, of course), Undertaker apparently has <strong>requested</strong> to face Daniel Bryan at WrestleMania. Considering how Taker likes to help up and coming talent, and considering that the Taker Mania match is now on par with the main event, that's actually a pretty big thing for Bryan, even if he doesn't win. A loss to Taker at Mania wouldn't hurt him in the least. Heck, if memory serves me correct, a Taker Mania loss actually benefited Randy Orton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 <p>The new tag champs are two 50 year olds and the royal rumble winner is 45</p><p> </p><p> In what is likely the most talented roster in the history of wrestling, these are the people they choose to spotlight</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Final Countdown Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Matt Shannon" data-cite="Matt Shannon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Unless I've missed it pages back, I'm surprised no one has brought up that according to reports(take them with a grain of salt, of course), Undertaker apparently has <strong>requested</strong> to face Daniel Bryan at WrestleMania. Considering how Taker likes to help up and coming talent, and considering that the Taker Mania match is now on par with the main event, that's actually a pretty big thing for Bryan, even if he doesn't win. A loss to Taker at Mania wouldn't hurt him in the least. Heck, if memory serves me correct, a Taker Mania loss actually benefited Randy Orton.</div></blockquote><p> Supposedly the plan is for Bryan to wrestle Sheamus, though I'm not sure how that would work unless they're going to turn lobster head. Bryan vs. Taker would actually be a very interesting Mania match for me, though; maybe the only thing that might make me consider buying Mania/buying a 6-month subscription to WWE Network to watch it, outside of Bryan going for the title which obviously isn't happening.</p><p> </p><p> Haven't read it anywhere, but I think Bryan/Cena/maybe someone else against the Wyatts in a six man could be what they do. I don't think I'd pay to see that, but at least it would be more interesting than Bryan vs. Sheamus again.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20LEgend Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Bryan/Taker would be brilliant. Hogan/Bryan/Cena vs. Wyatts would be cool as well for me. Ideally with Bryan getting the biggest reaction of the 3 <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The new tag champs are two 50 year olds and the royal rumble winner is 45<p> </p><p> In what is likely the most talented roster in the history of wrestling, these are the people they choose to spotlight</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Road Dogg is 44 <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stennick Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="demondragonking" data-cite="demondragonking" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I firmly believe that Vince won't go away until he's in the ground. It'll be a sad day when that happens for sure, but the man has lost touch with things, IMO.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think they said this in 1994 as well. The internet is a fun thing. In 98 when things turned around it wasn't Vince it was Vince Russo with his finger on the pulse. Then Russo leaves and the WWE is still awesome and then the story of Vince being some maverick who pulled his company out of the clutches of death got spun. The truth is somewhere in the middle. John Cena is the biggest grossing star maybe in history at this point, given the amount of ppv's they have, how long he's been on top, etc. </p><p> </p><p> As always the truth is somewhere in the middle. Has he lost his touch? Maybe but I don't think anyone can run this company as a whole better than him. The WWE Network is innovative thing that they are going to massively profit from. The marketing, the public mainstream attention they do get, the performance center. Its a well oiled business. Creativley they are safe but certainly not bad. The Shield, The Wyatts, even John Cena, Brock Lesnar, they have had a ton of good things going on over the last year or two. So I wouldn't say he's lost his touch.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tha Black Phenom Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Others are mad when the guy they want to win doesn't win when he, the company and everyone else told you he wasn't even IN the match.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Again, that doesn't say anything. There have been Rumbles where someone sneaked his way in the Royal Rumble after his World title match, and there can't be a clearer indication of one's exclusion from the Rumble other than that. these things happen, and have happened before, in bunches.</p><p> </p><p> I agree with the rest of your point, people will likely watch again because, after all it is the Road to Wrestlemania, where things get exciting. The reason people are dismissive for now is that so far, there's not much at all to look forward to except one or two matchups... garnered from stupid dirtsheets. I'll be dead and buried in the ground before I start relying on dirtsheets for my anticipation of a big event.</p><p> </p><p> Every year, the anticipation for the Mania card usually grows right after the Rumble. This year, it might take until EC for a lot more fans than usual(a good amount of those poll voters on WWE.com) to start anticipating.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattywood Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Tha Black Phenom" data-cite="Tha Black Phenom" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Again, that doesn't say anything. There have been Rumbles where someone sneaked his way in the Royal Rumble after his World title match, and there can't be a clearer indication of one's exclusion from the Rumble other than that. these things happen, and have happened before, in bunches.<p> </p><p> I agree with the rest of your point, people will likely watch again because, after all it is the Road to Wrestlemania, where things get exciting. The reason people are dismissive for now is that so far, there's not much at all to look forward to except one or two matchups... garnered from stupid dirtsheets. I'll be dead and buried in the ground before I start relying on dirtsheets for my anticipation of a big event.</p><p> </p><p> Every year, the anticipation for the Mania card usually grows right after the Rumble. This year, it might take until EC for a lot more fans than usual(a good amount of those poll voters on WWE.com) to start anticipating.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I am right there with you about dirt sheets. Can't stand how Dave Meltzer, even when it's presented to him that what he's reported may not have much validity to it, will get all smug and insist that his story is true and that whoever is involved in the story is just "trying to cover their behinds." Whatever. And copy/paste morons like Marc Middleton, who makes up numbers of "how man viewers this segment gained/lost" and pulls them out of his butt, enables guys like Meltzer. *so says the guy using Wrestling Observer to post news bits in my own 1991 diary* <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> But yeah, perfect example of what I mean. There was a story making the rounds that supposedly only 1.5% of the content on WWE Network would be old school shows. First off, we haven't seen any indication from WWE yet about that. Second, last I checked, WWE has a rather robust video library, so while 1.5 may be small percentage wise, that is still a large chunk of their big ass video library.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrows Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>We are in total agreement. I've always felt the Internet fans, PPV fans, and the fans that will more then likely be there for RAW tomorrow (almost identical in opinions), are in the palm of WWE creative palms. Perfect example is Arrows reaction, although I don't think they really wanted to lose his financial investment, I definitely think it was done to get him riled up/angry, etc... Not him personally, but those that share the same viewpoints.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I had money sitting aside in the bank specifically for the WWE Network because it looked like a step in the right direction. Purposely doing the EXACT opposite of what your paying fans want, and spitting in their face, isn't good business.</p><p> </p><p> In the palm of WWE creative? How's that? They wanted Batista CHEERED. They honestly believed he'd come back, like The Rock, and get on the fans good side. That's why he's going into Mania feuding with A HEEL. He's supposed to be the face.</p><p> </p><p> They screwed theirselves up. They have no clue where their palm even is anymore, let alone how to get someone eating out of it. The fans show them night after night, and the WWE is too oblivious to realize anything.</p><p> </p><p> Even if Batista does good, and Taker has an amazing Mania match, and Brock does wonders, and Trips/Punk is a 155758756 star match. I have no interest in ever giving my money to a company who's too f'n stupid to do good business and write stories that don't blow up in their face. They honestly believed what happened tonight wouldn't happen. A company that stupid deserves to go bankrupt.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stennick Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 <p>This wasn't Stone Cold Steve Austin being told by McMahon that he wasn't going to be in the Rumble. There was no reason to expect that after Summerslam, Hell in a Cell, Night of Champions, the Wyatt feud, to finally let Bryan main event their biggest show. Heck they won't let him be champion for more than five minutes and he's going to main event their biggest show? At this point I'm hoping for a Cena/Bryan/??? vs. Wyatts match. Sandow just said insanity is doing the same thing over and over again (buying, watching the WWE product) expecting a different result (them to actually do anything with Daniel Bryan's overness). </p><p> </p><p> Batista is nearly best friends with Triple H, he's been gone for four years, he's a former six time World Champion, he's main evented more shows than maybe everyone else in that Rumble...possibly combined. He's going to be in the biggest movie of the year. They promoted his return for a month specifically hyping his Royal Rumble match, he popped the biggest rating in over a year for RAW and yet people still convinced themselves that Daniel Bryan would win. I think people are more upset at themselves for once again allowing themselves to believe and hope in change when the WWE has been anything but that. In the last decade John Cena has main evented Wrestlemania 4 times and Triple H 5. With Triple H's best friends Shawn Michaels, Batista and Randy Orton combining for another five spots. After Wresltmania it'll be somewhere in the neighborhood of those guys combining to main event nearly 70 percent of the Wrestlemania's in the last decade. </p><p> </p><p> So if you're not a fan of Orton, Cena, Batista or Triple H you might not wanna watch Wrestlemania for the main event.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tha Black Phenom Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 <p>This is all mostly just hindsight talk. The decision makes sense but it doesn't mean it should've been expected.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This wasn't Stone Cold Steve Austin being told by McMahon that he wasn't going to be in the Rumble. There was no reason to expect that after Summerslam, Hell in a Cell, Night of Champions, the Wyatt feud, to finally let Bryan main event their biggest show. Heck they won't let him be champion for more than five minutes and he's going to main event their biggest show?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That was the whole point of people's anticipation... his track record for not staying at the top. But since you look back on history, there's also plenty of reasons for people to have looked forward to something out of this. DB went over Cena clean, Orton clean, and got an unrivaled pop weeks ago after the steel cage main-event. Going off from that too, his immediate face turn to break away from the Wyatts. With hindsight, it's so easy to now say "oh that was a fly-by-night storyline twist" but back then - only weeks ago - people easily saw it as a catalyst to a possible acension push because of the sheer pop he got.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Batista is nearly best friends with Triple H, he's been gone for four years, he's a former six time World Champion, he's main evented more shows than maybe everyone else in that Rumble...possibly combined. He's going to be in the biggest movie of the year. They promoted his return for a month specifically hyping his Royal Rumble match,</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They promoted his return because they goofed up. Unless that online flub was deliberate on their part which is totally possible, but.. no need to pull out his career milestones, we know what Batista's done and tht he's close with HHH and that's clear as day now - nowhere does that mean people should've expected him and just him to get away with the win. People were guessing Batista as a potential winner to begin with, but as with every event, smarks brace themselves for a possible swerve; it just so happened the swerve was the popular route fans wanted them to go this time. And they didn't.. so be it I guess, they got many smarks and fans reeled in regardless with Bray's upcoming push and other big stars lining up for WMXXX, but this will still remain as one of the worst remembered Rumbles in recent memory. Polls and reactions say it all, no matter what we were "told" or shown.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astil Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 <p>I mean were the Rhodes advertised in the Rumble? They pulled double duty.</p><p> </p><p> To those discussing this new age face heel thing ... If so then the end game is a Wrestlemania headlined by new age heel vs new age heel. Not exactly a good thing.</p><p> </p><p> EDIT This isn't just internet smarks either it's guys like Foley and Jarrett tweeting about what a dumb move it is</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrows Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Astil" data-cite="Astil" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I mean where the Rhodes advertised in the Rumble? They pulled double duty.<p> </p><p> To those discussing this nec age face heel thing ... If so then the end game is a Wrestlemania headlined by new age heel vs new age heel. Not exactly a good thing.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This will be the very first time WrestleMania is main evented by two people 99% of the crowd will crap all over. The fans have NO ONE to cheer for in this match. Even during Cena's god mode run where he always won, you at least had the heel to cheer for. This time, WWE has point blank said "Screw you and what you want. We're going to shove this down your throats and give you no one."</p><p> </p><p> I will watch. I won't pay, but I will watch, and I will laugh when the ENTIRE match is a repeat of Orton/Sheamus. Not that it'll make any difference, they're far more concerned with a piss poor actor carrying a belt to interviews than they are their fans. That'll draw in new fans! Showing them you already don't give two craps about your current fans. Great first impression.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 <p>Mick Foley is mad!</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>HEY WWE....WHAT THE F?<p> </p><p> Yes, I'm going to put a brick through my TV. It's just going to have to wait until tomorrow. I had every intention of putting a brick through my TV tonight, after seeing that Daniel Bryan was not even entered in the Royal Rumble match, let alone going to win the thing. But, upon seeing their dad with a brick in his hand, my younger children got a little bit scared, thinking their dad had lost his mind. A rather spirited debate about the wisdom of following through on the promise to put a brick through my TV ensued with my wife - and, as is usually the case in marital debates, I, being the husband, did not emerge victorious. Honestly, the points she made about mercury and glass fragments everywhere were pretty good ones.</p><p> </p><p> But I'm still going to put a brick through my TV. It's just going to have to wait until tomorrow - when the kids are in school, and I can take the TV outside the house for the actual throwing of the brick. Granted, it's not nearly as dramatic as doing it live, right after the Rumble, but at least I will be keeping my word.</p><p> </p><p> As I mentioned on Twitter, I've never felt so disgusted at the conclusion of a WWE (or any) PPV. Like many of you out there, I just don't get it. This Daniel Bryan thing is a phenomenon. You get it. I get it. The fans in Pittsburgh (yes, I was thinking of writing "RIGHT TH...but I'm just not in a cheap pop mood) got it. But tonight, for the first time, I had to admit to myself that the powers that be are just not going to get it. And that makes me sad. I'm just honestly sad, just flat out ****ing sad (yes, I dropped an F-bomb there to emphasize how F'ing sad I am for the guys who bust their butts night in and night out - Ziggler, Punk, Bryan, etc - with no hope of getting their shot at this year's Mania.</p><p> </p><p> You know who else I'm sad for? Me. In my two years as an official WWE Ambassador, I never once had to lie about my enthusiasm for the company or the product. Now, although I am no longer officially an Ambassador for WWE (believe it or not, my only official role in WWE is as GM for Saturday Morning Slam, a contract that ends in one month) I was till looking forward to being part of the biggest event of the year. I'll probably end up going anyway. But I'm about 1/6th as excited about it as I was just a few hours ago. I wanted so badly to hear 75,000 WWE fans chanting "YES" - and seeing fans walk away absolutely ecstatic about the outcome of a PPV for the first time in a while...a long while. But when given the chance to make it happen (unless they've got something MAJOR up their sleeve) WWE's answer tonight was a resounding "NO, NO, NO".</p></div></blockquote> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delv213 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 <p>I don't blame Foley, I always felt Batista was going to win. However not even teasing the fans with Daniel Bryan winning the Rumble is disgusting. The guy has been the most over babyface for almost a year and arguably even a little longer then that.</p><p> </p><p> For awhile now, I felt they were just building Bryan up as the sympathetic babyface who get's shit on by everyone(think Mikey Whipwreck). However it's become clear their plan all along was to shit all over then fans for the "Yes" chants and try to kill them off by having Bryan continue to job out for the rest of his tenure as a midcarder.</p><p> </p><p> Hopefully WWE got the wake up call by the fans shitting all over a prestigious match like that the second they figured out Daniel Bryan wasn't coming out as #30. Mysterio had perhaps the most nuclear heat out of any babyface in recent memory the second his music hit.</p><p> </p><p> This makes it the 4th PPV straight that the crowd has erupted during the main event with "Daniel Bryan" chants. Maybe they'll re-script their storylines going forward and we won't be forced into a Sheamus/Bryan feud while Orton/Batista get booed out of the building. A Batista heel turn would make so much sense tomorrow night.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipfizh Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 <p>Few thoughts:</p><p> </p><p> </p><ul><li><br /> It was a pretty stupid move to make the last few Rumble entrants faces. From early on, the crowd were going mad for Bryan, and it shouldn't have been difficult to see that any face coming out at the end (poor Rey) was going to get slaughtered by that crowd. Why not change the order on the fly and send a heel out there who could benefit from that nuclear heat by mocking the crowd or imitating Bryan?<br /></li></ul><p></p><p> </p><ul><li><br /> I don't think the WWE recovered from the Batista return being leaked - pretty sure the original plan was to have him come back at the Rumble as a surprise and win it. His rewritten return story hasn't made much sense (Del Rio seemed artifically inserted to be the recipient of his return beating).<br /></li></ul><p></p><p> </p><ul><li><br /> Cesaro seemed to be almost exclusively attacking and hitting his spots on heels, and vice versa. Testing out a face reaction?<br /></li></ul><p></p><p> </p><ul><li><br /> Much as people say that WWE don't respond to the crowd, they actually did respond to the post-WM crowd last year. This is probably too big to ignore, although I actually see a lot of credence in the possible Taker-Bryan match at WM. That may be why he is out of the title picture for now. Only decent explanation I can think of.<br /></li></ul><p></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stennick Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 <p>I think if you're telling yourself its Taker/Bryan at WM then you're setting yourself up for another disappointment and its unfathomable there are people out there that haven't learned their lesson. They are not pushing DB, he's not getting near Taker, the Streak, the title, its just not happening. Channel that excitement into Sheamus/Bryan and Bryan losing this time in EIGHT seconds. </p><p> </p><p> What did they do after that match? John Cena still main evented the next nine pay per views. They gave Ziggler a world title win that lasted a few weeks at best. They didn't really do anything that sparked any sort of long term listening to the fans. </p><p> </p><p> Cesaro battled plenty of faces. Him and Sheamus had maybe his longest single interaction with anyone in the rumble while they traded European strikes for a few minutes.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 <p>Stennick, sometimes your painfully honest. I don't necessarily agree with you, but under current circumstances I'd have a hard time finding evidence to debate you.</p><p> </p><p> My thoughts, without any evidence is the same as they have been. A while back the dirt sheets or what have you were saying there was long term plans for DB. I'm sure everyone read them so I don't have to go into detail. It just seems that everytime they say long term plans, they mean exactly that. Long term, perhaps a couple of years worth, with room to fill in other things that may come up along the way. </p><p> </p><p> I also think when it does finally happen, everyone is going to act like it was all because of recent stuff that was voiced right before it does... For example, if it happens in a couple of months, they will say it's because of this PPV, or Wrestlemania PPV reactions. Everyone will just forget that these plans, plans to have DB chase the title to get people really wound up about it, will be ignored in favor of pessimistic thoughts, and crowd reactions.</p><p> </p><p> Arrows, I don't think they planned on Mysterio getting boo'd out of the building the way he did, I don't think they planned for it to be half as much as it ended up being, but I do think they were hoping for that kind of reaction... just on a smaller scale.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delv213 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think if you're telling yourself its Taker/Bryan at WM then you're setting yourself up for another disappointment and its unfathomable there are people out there that haven't learned their lesson. They are not pushing DB, he's not getting near Taker, the Streak, the title, its just not happening. Channel that excitement into Sheamus/Bryan and Bryan losing this time in EIGHT seconds. <p> </p><p> What did they do after that match? John Cena still main evented the next nine pay per views. They gave Ziggler a world title win that lasted a few weeks at best. They didn't really do anything that sparked any sort of long term listening to the fans. </p><p> </p><p> Cesaro battled plenty of faces. Him and Sheamus had maybe his longest single interaction with anyone in the rumble while they traded European strikes for a few minutes.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think they'll have Orton drop the title soon, he has no heat was so ever. I mean how hard is it to draw heat against John Cena, the supposed top babyface? </p><p> </p><p> The "Daniel Bryan" chants effectively ruined the Rumble event and with the threat of these chants continuing and perhaps ruining WrestleMania, WWE might have no alternative but to push him. Batista has a perfect reason to turn heel tomorrow night on Raw. A Batista/Bryan feud where Bryan is given the chance to win the title at WrestleMania would and should draw huge.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stennick Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="delv213" data-cite="delv213" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think they'll have Orton drop the title soon, he has no heat was so ever. I mean how hard is it to draw heat against John Cena, the supposed top babyface? <p> </p><p> The "Daniel Bryan" chants effectively ruined the Rumble event and with the threat of these chants continuing and perhaps ruining WrestleMania, WWE might have no alternative but to push him. Batista has a perfect reason to turn heel tomorrow night on Raw. A Batista/Bryan feud where Bryan is given the chance to win the title at WrestleMania would and should draw huge.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You mean like Cena vs. Bryan for the World Title at the second biggest pay per view of the year after the fans wouldn't even let Cena announce the match they were chanting YES so loud should and would draw huge? Or how Daniel Bryan's huge reactions would and should create ratings we've not seen in a long time? </p><p> </p><p> When in reality Money in the Bank which was Henry vs. Cena was up by about 10 percent in buys from the year before. However Cena vs. Bryan at Summerslam was down TWENTY percent from the year before. Night of Champions was down from the year before which was Orton vs. Bryan for the title before anyone had any idea that Bryan wasn't going to get his title victory at some point. TV ratings the entire month of September the month after Summerslam never hit the 3's even when June and July alone had four or five weeks hit the 3's. </p><p> </p><p> If you honestly believe Bryan feuding with John Cena, Randy Orton and the McMahon's for two straight months did worse business than before Bryan's push but somehow believe that Batista vs. Bryan would and should main event the WWE's biggest show ever then you're the kind of fan they want. </p><p> </p><p> There is not a single number out there that proves Bryan is a financial draw in anyway for the company. All the pay per views he main evented were down from the year before while the two previous pay per views before his push where up. He has some excuses for the later pay per view but for Summerslam his big title match and Night of Champions the start of his Orton feud there is no excuse why if he was so red hot there isn't a massive increase in buys or even television ratings.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrows Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You mean like Cena vs. Bryan for the World Title at the second biggest pay per view of the year after the fans wouldn't even let Cena announce the match they were chanting YES so loud should and would draw huge? Or how Daniel Bryan's huge reactions would and should create ratings we've not seen in a long time? <p> </p><p> When in reality Money in the Bank which was Henry vs. Cena was up by about 10 percent in buys from the year before. However Cena vs. Bryan at Summerslam was down TWENTY percent from the year before. Night of Champions was down from the year before which was Orton vs. Bryan for the title before anyone had any idea that Bryan wasn't going to get his title victory at some point. TV ratings the entire month of September the month after Summerslam never hit the 3's even when June and July alone had four or five weeks hit the 3's. </p><p> </p><p> If you honestly believe Bryan feuding with John Cena, Randy Orton and the McMahon's for two straight months did worse business than before Bryan's push but somehow believe that Batista vs. Bryan would and should main event the WWE's biggest show ever then you're the kind of fan they want. </p><p> </p><p> There is not a single number out there that proves Bryan is a financial draw in anyway for the company. All the pay per views he main evented were down from the year before while the two previous pay per views before his push where up. He has some excuses for the later pay per view but for Summerslam his big title match and Night of Champions the start of his Orton feud there is no excuse why if he was so red hot there isn't a massive increase in buys or even television ratings.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Why pay to watch what you already know is going to happen? Everyone knew even if Bryan won he'd get screwed. I remember sitting in Las Vegas at a blackjack table with a group of people from the pool league holding it's main tournament there that weekend. Talk wound up on Bryan, and nobody there was sad to be stuck in Vegas unable to watch because "It's not like they won't screw it up somehow."</p><p> </p><p> People don't spend 60 bucks to get crapped on by a company.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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