The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[guyver3]

By that logic guys like koko b ware tito santana tony atlus shouldn't be in much less Pete rose or drew carey n trump. rikishi was in the company for like 10 years or so had some tag title runs I think 2 ic reigns and as was said earlier a popular why not have him

[Rickymex]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="iruleall15" data-cite="iruleall15" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Exactly. Rikishi was a MIDCARD ACT. There is nothing legendary about him. Should Fandango go in because he has his Fandangoing? Should Swagger go in because people like WE THE PEOPLE? The HOF is about the legends of the company. <strong>People who actually did something memorable.</strong> Nash, Savage, Owen(he would be if his wife wasnt a bitch).<p> </p><p> Thats like saying Santino should go in because the crowd loves him...</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> He did something memorable. He did it for The Rock. He did it for The People.</p>

[dpoolez]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="iruleall15" data-cite="iruleall15" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Exactly. Rikishi was a MIDCARD ACT. There is nothing legendary about him. Should Fandango go in because he has his Fandangoing? Should Swagger go in because people like WE THE PEOPLE? The HOF is about the legends of the company. People who actually did something memorable. Nash, Savage, Owen(he would be if his wife wasnt a bitch).<p> </p><p> Thats like saying Santino should go in because the crowd loves him...</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Just because you're a midcard act doesnt mean that your career isnt legendary or hall of fame worthy. In that case, then Lita, Trish, Scott Hall, etc. dont deserve their spots and I think just about anybody would disagree with that. Kofi Kingston is well on his way to having a HOF worthy career just off of his resume right now, as does a guy like William Regal.</p><p> </p><p> The HOF isnt like the HOI in TEW where they only include the absolute best of the best talent. There's room for Rikishi.</p>

[iruleall15]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="dpoolez" data-cite="dpoolez" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Just because you're a midcard act doesnt mean that your career isnt legendary or hall of fame worthy. In that case, then Lita, Trish, Scott Hall, etc. dont deserve their spots and I think just about anybody would disagree with that. Kofi Kingston is well on his way to having a HOF worthy career just off of his resume right now, as does a guy like William Regal.<p> </p><p> The HOF isnt like the HOI in TEW where they only include the absolute best of the best talent. There's room for Rikishi.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The HOF is about being memorable in your time while doing big things in your career. Kofi has been a career jobber. How can you say Lita and Trish wouldnt be in? They are considered the 2 best Divas in WWE history.</p>

[Teh_Showtime]

Being a midcarder is the same as being a jobber, I agree

[Jaysin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="iruleall15" data-cite="iruleall15" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The HOF is about being memorable in your time while doing big things in your career. Kofi has been a career jobber. How can you say Lita and Trish wouldnt be in? They are considered the 2 best Divas in WWE history.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Rikishi deserves it more than the likes of Koko B Ware. I don't think it's that much of a stretch for Rikishi to go in. There are a ton of people who were never anything more than mid carders already in and I feel like Rikishi did just as much as they did.</p>

[dpoolez]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="iruleall15" data-cite="iruleall15" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The HOF is about being memorable in your time while doing big things in your career. Kofi has been a career jobber. How can you say Lita and Trish wouldnt be in? They are considered the 2 best Divas in WWE history.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Im not saying that Trish and Lita shouldnt be in, Im saying that the HOF has space for people who werent the biggest draws or world heavyweight champions. You can be a midcard act, like Trish and Lita very much were, and still be considered HOF worthy talent. Rikishi was one of the most popular midcarders at a certain point, people who didnt really watch wrestling like that knew of him back in the AE days from what I can remember. If he doesnt deserve to be put in then there are others who dont deserve it as well IMO.</p><p> </p><p> As for Kofi, how has he been a career jobber? Sure, he hasnt been god pushed like Cena and may be an afterthought at times but he has 7 IC and US titles altogether and was a 3 time tag champion. His Royal Rumble feats are all more than memorable enough for a WWE HOF. He's one of the more over midcarders, has over a million twitter followers. All he needs is a world title and he's a shoe in for HOF as far as im concerned. Id even compare Kofi Kingston to a modern day Tito Santana in that while he may never be a WWE World Champion, he has all of the tools for remaining a relevant midcard act for years to come.</p>

[Mattywood]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="dpoolez" data-cite="dpoolez" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Rikishi was a popular midcard act in the last peak era and has a decent resume on him. Id think to put Nash in the HOF since we just finished doing one for Hall but there could be a lot worse acts than Rikishi IMO.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Let's not forget Rikishi had a memorable tag team run as Fatu of the Samoan Swat Team for WCW (NWA) in 1989, possibly the most critically acclaimed year of the Golden Age that saw the WWF, WCW, and even World Class putting on memorable feuds, shows and matches. And he and Samu would be the top dogs in the WWF during the summer of 1994. Granted, the tag division was weak, but at the end of the day, Vince had confidence in them to carry the division that whole summer.</p>

[Tha Black Phenom]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="iruleall15" data-cite="iruleall15" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Exactly. Rikishi was a MIDCARD ACT. There is nothing legendary about him. Should Fandango go in because he has his Fandangoing? Should Swagger go in because people like WE THE PEOPLE? The HOF is about the legends of the company. People who actually did something memorable. Nash, Savage, Owen(he would be if his wife wasnt a bitch).<p> </p><p> Thats like saying Santino should go in because the crowd loves him...</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I used to think like this too but the way WWE'S HOF is headed it may well go the other way. </p><p> </p><p> Believe it or not but its not solely World titles that make the video packages and celebrated highlights. I would've scoffed at a name like Kofi before but he's done so much crazy stuff in the Rumble I can kinda see it now.</p>

[milamber]

<p><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Raw Review:</span></strong></p><p> </p><p>

<strong>The Shield & Evolution</strong> - The promo script was weak and both ambushes were predictable.</p><p>

<strong>Swagger, Zeb & Rose</strong> - I like Adam Rose (the wrestler more than the character) but the gimmick would work better if he were a heel with his Rosebuds surrounding the ring and helping him win.</p><p>

<strong>Fox vs Paige</strong> - The segment/match worked well to get the crowd behind Paige and push Fox as a legitimate threat. Now they just need to let Fox win a match before Payback.</p><p>

<strong>Daniel Bryan</strong> - Apparently the injury is legit. Hopefully he'll be recovered before MITB.</p><p>

<strong>Cena & The Usos vs The Wyatt Family</strong> - Good match. The final sequence was fun.</p><p>

<strong>Natalya vs Nikki</strong> - Aside from the Total Divas crap it was an OK match.</p><p>

<strong>Sheamus vs Axel</strong> - Solid match if a little short. Sheamus finally used the Cloverleaf to win!</p><p>

<strong>Sheamus vs Ryback</strong> - Good match. I hope Ryback gets a shot at the US Title.</p><p>

<strong>Steph, Kane & Bryan</strong> - That was actually pretty cool. Plus Steph is a way better actress than Brie.</p><p>

<strong>Ziggler vs Fandango</strong> - Solid match. They need to put Emma with Ziggler to get her back on track.</p><p>

<strong>Hacksaw vs Rusev</strong> - Lana! A feud with Big E should be good for Rusev.</p><p>

<strong>Sandow vs Cody</strong> - Solid match. Cody raking the eyes was a nice heel turn tease.</p><p>

<strong>Reigns vs Batista</strong> - Solid match. The ending was cool but it would be nice if a Raw main event ended clean once in a while.</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Verdict:</strong> Mostly average Raw that felt like longer than 3 hours.</p><p> </p><p>

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[Blackman]

Imo the HoF is a little more complex than in TEW, like someone mentioned. Aren't the Uso's his sons? So there's the legacy aspect. And people just remember his act. The stinkface was a 'thing' for years. '2 cool' was still received well recently. This all adds to his potential inductment. There's people who are champion for a long while that I don't remember vividly, because nothing worthwhile happened.

[Mootinie]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Imo the HoF is a little more complex than in TEW, like someone mentioned. Aren't the Uso's his sons? So there's the legacy aspect. And people just remember his act. The stinkface was a 'thing' for years. '2 cool' was still received well recently. This all adds to his potential inductment. There's people who are champion for a long while that I don't remember vividly, because nothing worthwhile happened.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I agree. Rikishi is memorable, he was entertaining, he was OVER in 2000. I can't name a reason why he shouldn't get inducted.</p>

[lazorbeak]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mootinie" data-cite="Mootinie" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I agree. Rikishi is memorable, he was entertaining, he was OVER in 2000. <em>I can't name a reason why he shouldn't get inducted.</em></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> There's a bunch of guys more deserving? Whew, that was tough.</p>

[Blackman]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>There's a bunch of guys more deserving? Whew, that was tough.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That might be true, but it's how you define "deserving". It's not like the criteria are written down somewhere (or are they? <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />). Why would Mae Young get inducted someday? Because her heart was with the business (as she kept on 'giving' until she was just too old). It will also be a nice sign to the Samoan wrestling family, and a strong motivator to the Uso's.</p><p> </p><p> Jericho will get his induction someday, as will some other guys from those days. Big Show will obviously get it, and Kane and Taker too. But would you give it to Benoit, for example? I'm not so sure.</p>

[Bull]

I just want Randy Savage in the HoF. . The fact that all these other people are getting in before him is the real travesty here. .

[lazorbeak]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>But would you give it to Benoit, for example? I'm not so sure.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm 1000% sure, and the answer is "no." </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Why would Mae Young get inducted someday?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> She was already inducted. That'll happen when you wrestle in six decades.</p><p> </p><p> I guess at a certain point, sure, Rikishi could be a HOF-er, but there's probably 25 guys more deserving right this second. Undertaker (if he's done), British Bulldogs (or at least Davey), DDP, Sting, Goldberg, Luger, Cyndi Lauper, Macho (and Liz), Rick Rude, Cornette, Vader, Bam Bam, Baba, Misawa, some kind of NWO thing, the Freebirds, the Steiners... and that's just off the top of my head.</p>

[Fleisch]

<p>I have to say that people are going on like Rikishi is going to headline the HOF induction! Rikishi deserves to be in there as much as any other midcarder being talked about, past or present. The way I see it, if Koko B. ware can make it in, anyone can! </p><p> </p><p>

I believe there was some issues with regards to Randy Savage getting in because WWE wanted him in, but didn't his brother refuse or something? The thing people don't understand is that there is only normally 1 "Headline" induction each year so if 2015 is headed up by The Rock (as rumoured) then WWE aren't likely to induct Undertaker and Randy Savage as well in the same year. It leaves them with less options in the future. If they induct every former major star in at once then what is the point of watching it the next year? Or the year after? Those who deserve to be in it, WWE will no doubt pull out all the stops to get them in eventually.</p>

[guyver3]

Why would the wwe even consider putting baba or misawa in the hof? Besides that it's not like there's really a set standard for who gets into the hof it's whoever Vince wants in.

[Hive]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I believe there was some issues with regards to Randy Savage getting in because WWE wanted him in, but didn't his brother refuse or something?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I believe Lanny claimed that Randy wouldn't accept a HoF nomination if WWE didn't make it for the entire family (Randy, Lanny, Angelo). Whether it's true that Randy felt that way or just Lanny trying to abuse the situation is hard to say, but I completely understand why WWE would refuse...</p>

[Jaysin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="guyver3" data-cite="guyver3" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Why would the wwe even consider putting baba or misawa in the hof? Besides that it's not like there's really a set standard for who gets into the hof it's whoever Vince wants in.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Antonio Inoki is in it, why shouldn't Baba and Misawa go in? They've done just as much in the wrestling industry as Inoki has. Misawa has influenced countless people. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I believe Lanny claimed that Randy wouldn't accept a HoF nomination if WWE didn't make it for the entire family (Randy, Lanny, Angelo). Whether it's true that Randy felt that way or just Lanny trying to abuse the situation is hard to say, but I completely understand why WWE would refuse...</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Lanny did claim Randy wouldn't do it unless the whole family would be inducted, but lately he's given permission for them to just induct Randy. I believe Lanny is the one that owns the rights to "Randy Savage" currently.</p>

[guyver3]

Baba and Misawa have no ties to the wwe inoki was wwe champion at one point

[Jaysin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="guyver3" data-cite="guyver3" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Baba and Misawa have no ties to the wwe inoki was wwe champion at one point</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Inoki's reign isn't even recognized by WWE. Baba wrestled for WWWF against Bruno at MSG.</p><p> </p><p> Misawa wrestled Bret Hart at the WWF/New Japan/All Japan Super Show at Tokyo Dome.</p>

[The Swanton825]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Antonio Inoki is in it, why shouldn't Baba and Misawa go in? They've done just as much in the wrestling industry as Inoki has. Misawa has influenced countless people.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Because it's the WWE Hall of Fame, not the Pro Wrestling Hall of Fame. It doesn't matter who Baba or Misawa influenced, the fact of the matter is that they never had anything meaningful to do with WWE. Meanwhile, Inoki was a regular co-promoter with WWE whenever they went to Japan.</p>

[Jaysin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Swanton825" data-cite="The Swanton825" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Because it's the WWE Hall of Fame, not the Pro Wrestling Hall of Fame. It doesn't matter who Baba or Misawa influenced, the fact of the matter is that they never had anything to do with WWE.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> See my post above your's champ <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></p>

[The Swanton825]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>See my post above your's champ <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It wasn't exactly there when I first started writing mine.</p>