The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[Rickymex]

I can't believe its been 4 years since Nexus debuted. Time just flies.

[masterded]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><strong>Rusev vs Mojo</strong> - Rusev with a mic = bad. Rusev silently waving a Russian flag = good. Mojo's gimmick is OK but he's worse than CJ Parker in the ring. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Not only is a horrible wrestler Mojo can't even wave a flag right. I just don't get why he is on NXT at all. I hope them feeding him to a monster means he is going back to the non TV development, he is no where close to ready.</p>

[Teh_Showtime]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="OctoberRaven" data-cite="OctoberRaven" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>And his previous RATM soundalike didn't?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Eh it sounded more competitive and serious. The new one is ok but it would have fit much more as his first theme (since leaving the Generico name) since it's fun loving and that kind of thing. I just dont think it fits his uber competitive character he's been using for the moment. Like the match with Cesaro he came out super focused and his theme aided that, the match with Breeze he came out clapping and dancing. It's not bad at all, it just isn't in his character (yet) to do so.</p>

[Jaysin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Eh it sounded more competitive and serious. The new one is ok but it would have fit much more as his first theme (since leaving the Generico name) since it's fun loving and that kind of thing. I just dont think it fits his uber competitive character he's been using for the moment. Like the match with Cesaro he came out super focused and his theme aided that, the match with Breeze he came out clapping and dancing. It's not bad at all, it just isn't in his character (yet) to do so.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Whether it fit Zayn or not wasn't the topic, whether it sounded like a song that would be in a Tony Hawk Pro Skater game was <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></p>

[milamber]

Smackdown Review:

 

Cesaro vs Kofi - Short match that made Cesaro look strong. Nice touch with Cesaro refusing to let the ref raise his hand.

Barrett interview with Renee - Good work from BNB running down RVD and putting the IC Title over as more important than the US Title.

Shield promo - Solid promo. Rollins, who took lead, sounded better than usual on the mic.

Tamina vs Paige - Fox was ringside taking pics on her phone and parading around with the Divas Belt. Paige showed her inexperience, getting angry and distracted. She managed to catch Tamina with the Paige Turner made her tap the PTO (Paige's Tap Out aka The Scorpion Crosslock). What a huge difference a little effort makes when booking the Divas division.

Woods vs Dallas - I love JBL the Boliever. Bo could put on a crap match and I'd still enjoy him for his gimmick.

Sheamus vs BNB - Good physical match. Sheamus winning was the right call heading into the clash with Cesaro. Sheamus intimidating Heyman after the match was a nice touch. Unifying the big 2 titles and having quality midcarders fighting over the US and IC titles is starting to pay off.

Titus vs Big E - Squash match. Big E and Rusev had a flag waving battle. Lana telling the fans to stop their USA chants was awesome!

Swagger vs Rose - Fun comedy match won by Rose with a unique pinning manouever.

Bray vs Jimmy Uso (Last Man Standing) - Good match. Despite the No DQ stipulation I'm glad there was minimal interference as it made Bray look stronger.

 

Verdict: A surprisingly strong pre-Payback show.

[Guest codey]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> <strong>Woods vs Dallas</strong> - I love JBL the Boliever. Bo could put on a crap match and I'd still enjoy him for his gimmick.</p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I agree, because Bo <em>does</em> put on crap matches and I still like the gimmick.</p>

[Jaysin]

<p>Wow Billy Graham is insanely closeminded. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>"Hello Facebook friends,<p> </p><p> This message will be my last as I have decided after watching the entire Smackdown show that aired Friday night May 30th, that I am wasting my time viewing the WWE shows. There are of course many very good matches and hard-working top guys out there performing for you fans. To quote 2 lines from Bob Dylan's " Wedding Song " tune, sum's up my position perfectly, " It's never been my duty to remake the world at large.... Nor is it my intention to lead a battle charge. "</p><p> </p><p> It is not my job and I have no business to critique or pass along any negative judgment on the WWE. Believe me there are plenty of critics around to opine on the state of the WWE.</p><p> </p><p> Last night when I saw Bo Dallas running around the ring acting like an idiot and hugging his opponent Xavier Woods when the match was over I wanted to vomit. Then here come the effeminate Pete Rose sucking on a lollipop, followed by maybe 15 of his circus troupe of freaks and geek's, he gives me the creeps. Then came the dwarf El Torito dressed in a children's bull costume who proceeds to pin a normal size wrestler. By then I did indeed vomit.</p><p> </p><p> I get intelligent responses from my Facebook friends and then I get ignorant ones like this one from from Dan Pedreyra who wrote about Cesaro and I quote " Give Cesaro time to develop, he's learning, he's hanging out with Cena." Who the F is Cena ? God ? I will tell you who got it right in her response and that is Jaynie Mullins Mullins, who said and I quote, " The WWE is now the WWZZZZZZZZZZ. "</p><p> </p><p> Peace,</p><p> </p><p> Superstar Billy Graham"</p><p> </p></div></blockquote>

[dpoolez]

<p>I agree with him about El Torito, they've gone too far with the Hornswoggle/Torito feud IMO. It's almost like they're the stars of the feud and not 3MB/Los Matadores.</p><p> </p><p>

Other than that, I also agree with his lack of interest in the WWE in general. The only storylines worth watching are Wyatt/Cena for Wyatt's promos mainly and Evolution/Shield. There are highlights of the WWE, especially in the undercard with guys like Cesaro and Sheamus, The Usos, etc. putting in work, but the WWE fails at making everything around the spectrum feel interesting and they've been failing at that since 2005 at the earliest.</p><p> </p><p>

I disagree with him about Bo Dallas and Adam Rose. Dallas' gimmick is good and i think theres some potential in him to be an early 2000's Kurt Angle esque character in where he's the morally good guy that everyone hates. Rose seems to have a slightly effeminate character but nothing unbearable to watch or vomit inducing so I feel that Graham is being close minded in that regard (not that theres anything wrong with being effeminate in this day and time).</p>

[Jaysin]

To be fair, Graham is a born again Christian so him hating an effeminate character really isn't shocking. I'm not really saying it's okay for him to be put off by a effeminate character, but that's probably where is mind set is.

 

I love Adam Rose. He is probably one of the most fun characters in a long time.

 

The thing that made me laugh was "Who the F is Cena?" line. Come the hell on, that's just ignorant.

[The Swanton825]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>To be fair, Graham is a born again Christian so him hating an effeminate character really isn't shocking. I'm not really saying it's okay for him to be put off by a effeminate character, but that's probably where is mind set is. <p> </p><p> I love Adam Rose. He is probably one of the most fun characters in a long time.</p><p> </p><p> The thing that made me laugh was "Who the F is Cena?" line. Come the hell on, that's just ignorant.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I like how Billy Graham thinks anyone actually cares what he has to say about wrestling today. Especially since what he's complaining about is the culmination of the style he helped pioneer.</p><p> </p><p> And since I'm a Christian (albeit a rather crappy one), I feel this needs to be said, I fail to see how anyone who actually wishes to be "Christ-like" can act so hateful over someone else having fun and not hurting a single person.</p>

[Teh_Showtime]

Didnt he also try to slam Jericho recently before quickly realizing how stupid he sounded?

[Rickymex]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>To be fair, Graham is a born again Christian so him hating an effeminate character really isn't shocking. I'm not really saying it's okay for him to be put off by a <strong>effeminate character</strong>, but that's probably where is mind set is. <p> </p><p> I love Adam Rose. He is probably one of the most fun characters in a long time.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>The thing that made me laugh was "Who the F is Cena?" line. Come the hell on, that's just ignorant.</strong></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Funny thing (<strong><em>if effeminate is alluding to gay in Graham's context</em></strong>) is that Adam Rose is one of the few characters who kayfabe-wise is most likely getting laid (apart from real couples DB/BB, JC/NB, etc). If I remember the vignette correctly "this is my ex-girlfriend and this is my future girlfriend. Lovely girls" or something similar. (I'm not saying Graham should be aware just a funny observation.</p><p> </p><p> The Cena thing is the thing that made took me from just an old man expressing his opinion to an idiotic rant.</p>

[LoganRodzen]

I enjoyed the PPV last night. I thought the opening match between Cesaro and Sheamus was excellent. The RVD/Barrett match was also well done. I went to bed before the main event, so from what I saw, the Cena/Wyatt match stole the show. The stairs from Cena over the top rope to nail Wyatt was an incredible spot. I think Bray looked very strong coming back from that.

 

When I woke up this morning I couldn't believe that Evolution put the Shield over the way they did. I'm impressed with HHH, Orton and Batista for letting these younger guys get back to back PPV wins. Overall I thought it was a decent show. I wouldn't have paid PPV money to watch it, so having the WWE Network is awesome.

[Astil]

Not to nitpick but the line was: this is my ex-girlfriend and my future ex-girlfriend.

 

I remember because it's such a witty line.

 

The event last night was good, even if the first hour felt like RAW. The last match saved the show and I legit feel for the WWE with the D-B title thing. Rough spot to be in.

 

Also no Punk and I didn't care. RR 2015 maybe? Will I care?

[milamber]

WWE Payback Review:

 

Sheamus vs Cesaro (US Title) - Great match. Cesaro was booked like a beast. Sheamus winning with a Small Package instead of a Brogue Kick made him look lucky which is fine. I marked out for Cesaro's Alpamere Waterslide but the damn commentators didn't call it.

Rhodes Bros vs Rybaxel - Solid match. Interesting way to break up Cody and Goldy.

Rusev vs Big E - Solid match. Rusev sold Big E's moves and showed more agression. If he can work a 10-15 minute match of this standard without getting gassed then he could do well. Lana was fantastic.

Kofi vs The Inspirational Bo Dallas - JBL got the streak wrong (Bo's beaten Sin Cara twice and Woods once so it's 3-0 not 2-0). Could have done without Kane but Bo made the most of his mic time.

RVD vs BNB (IC Title) - Good match.

Steph, Bryan & Brie - Entertaining segment. Even Brie wasn't awful.

Bray vs Cena - Great match and the best in their feud by far. Even the ending was cool, thought a double count-out might have been the better option if the feud isn't over.

Fox vs Paige (Divas Title) - Solid match but could have been better. Would have preferred Fox to win so they could have a back-and-forth feud over the belt before adding AJ into the mix.

Evolution vs The Shield - Great match. The first 10 minutes was average then it turned into a street fight and kicked into high gear. Didn't expect a clean sweep for The Shield but it's not like HHH or Batista needed the win. Orton needs a get a few wins under his belt before they job him out again.

 

Verdict: NXT Takeover set the benchmark this week but Payback was better than I expected. The main event matches were more brutal than the entire Extreme Rules PPV. Only negative was the crap commentary and out-of-tune crowd.

 

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[Big Roguey]

For those who watched the show, was the Cena/Wyatt are stupid as it sounds on paper?

[Teh_Showtime]

<p>Some people seemed to love it but I thought it was just ok</p><p> </p><p>

It had a lot of cool spots but the outside interference from the Usos/Wyatts made the match much better than Cena and Wyatt in a standalone match. Without them it was basically do a move and lay for 20 seconds</p><p> </p><p>

Though I will say it had by far the most deadly steel steps spot of all time</p><p> </p><p>

<span>http://giant.gfycat.com/DefensiveFaroffJavalina.gif</span></p>

[Mootinie]

<p>Cena/Wyatt definitely stole the show for me, I don't even care that it was an overbooked spotfest, it was very entertaining and some of the spots looked damn painful. </p><p> </p><p>

Evolution/Shield was a good match, although I felt it was harmed by some pretty poor booking decisions. I felt a lot of things didn't make sense to me (Evolution not even attempting to pin Reigns when they were dominating him 3 on 1, The Shield doing a clean sweep, the eliminations all occuring so quickly) but it was still an entertaining match.</p>

[Tha Black Phenom]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Didnt he also try to slam Jericho recently before quickly realizing how stupid he sounded?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> All I do remember is Jericho putting him back in his place on Twitter even further back when Graham was exasperated about something, told him to stop being a mark. So the animosity is no surprise. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="dpoolez" data-cite="dpoolez" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Cena's no-selling of the feud tarnishes the entire thing IMO. IIRC he smiled when he was supposed to be angry after Bray Wyatt screamed "Im a God". Then it was on Smackdown IIRC when he and The Usos did some stupid comedy segment in the middle of what was supposed to be his selling the feud. I dont think these two instances are enough to derail Wyatts momentum but its annoying to see IMO.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm in other minds about that, I feel there is just no way Cena could legitimately sell Bray's words. I mean reread your post, would you take your adversary screaming "I'm a God" seriously? Especially when [sadly] he hasn't gotten one over Cena yet. </p><p> </p><p> It's like you guys are so worried about Bray looking strong and menacing when in reality his promos are purposely goofy... not to put a negative connotation to the word goofy, the good kind of goofy if you will. Slightly over the top. But in that aspect, how Cena reacted is fine with me. The comedy segments are a bit much but at his core that's who Cena is, he's laughed in the face of guys Bray doesn't hold a candle to. </p><p> </p><p> But I say there s nothing to worry about with Bray, he just rode Cena's coattails for months so he should be destined for bigger things.</p>

[Rone Rivendale]

Bray sold the step shot PERFECTLY. I wish I could have seen it Live. Me and my friends would have marked out like crazy.

[dpoolez]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Tha Black Phenom" data-cite="Tha Black Phenom" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>All I do remember is Jericho putting him back in his place on Twitter even further back when Graham was exasperated about something, told him to stop being a mark. So the animosity is no surprise. <p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> I'm in other minds about that, I feel there is just no way Cena could legitimately sell Bray's words. I mean reread your post, would you take your adversary screaming "I'm a God" seriously? Especially when [sadly] he hasn't gotten one over Cena yet. </p><p> </p><p> It's like you guys are so worried about Bray looking strong and menacing when in reality his promos are purposely goofy... not to put a negative connotation to the word goofy, the good kind of goofy if you will. Slightly over the top. But in that aspect, how Cena reacted is fine with me. The comedy segments are a bit much but at his core that's who Cena is, he's laughed in the face of guys Bray doesn't hold a candle to. </p><p> </p><p> But I say there s nothing to worry about with Bray, he just rode Cena's coattails for months so he should be destined for bigger things.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Its all about timing. If it was just a regular back and forth promo and Bray screamed "Im a God" then Cena smiling wouldnt bother me. However, the angle was supposed to show how upset Cena was at Bray for almost attacking Lawler, so smiling at anyhing that Bray says when youre still supposed to be upset just bothered me.</p>

[Arrows]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Some people seemed to love it but I thought it was just ok<p> </p><p> It had a lot of cool spots but the outside interference from the Usos/Wyatts made the match much better than Cena and Wyatt in a standalone match. Without them it was basically do a move and lay for 20 seconds</p><p> </p><p> Though I will say it had by far the most deadly steel steps spot of all time</p><p> </p><p> <span>http://giant.gfycat.com/DefensiveFaroffJavalina.gif</span></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Spot's been done a number of times before.</p><p> </p><p> Was also the most predictable match of all time. I Quit match, with John Cena involved? Of course he's winning. Who cares if he's hated by the people actually paying for the tickets. Who cares if he's ruined the pushes of several guys that could've made a difference.</p><p> </p><p> He makes kids who won't be around to spend money happy!</p><p> </p><p> For a few years, and then he's gonna start to decline like crazy.</p><p> </p><p> But he makes kids who won't be around to spend money happy!</p><p> </p><p> Story decision? Horrible. Financial decision? Even more so.</p><p> </p><p> Can not wait for the day Cena can't compete anymore and WWE realize they've screwed themselves.</p>

[Rickymex]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arrows" data-cite="Arrows" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Spot's been done a number of times before.<p> </p><p> Was also the most predictable match of all time. I Quit match, with John Cena involved? Of course he's winning. Who cares if he's hated by the people actually paying for the tickets. Who cares if he's ruined the pushes of several guys that could've made a difference.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>He makes kids who won't be around to spend money happy!</strong></p><p> </p><p> For a few years, and then he's gonna start to decline like crazy.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>But he makes kids who won't be around to spend money happy!</strong></p><p> </p><p> Story decision? Horrible. Financial decision? Even more so.</p><p> </p><p> Can not wait for the day Cena can't compete anymore and WWE realize they've screwed themselves.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm pretty sure you meant that kids move on from wrestling but for a few seconds I thought you were talking about Make-A-Wish kids and I had to double check to make sure you weren't "women are hired to please the men" delv213.</p>

[Hashasheen]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arrows" data-cite="Arrows" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Spot's been done a number of times before.<p> </p><p> Was also the most predictable match of all time. I Quit match, with John Cena involved? Of course he's winning. Who cares if he's hated by the people actually paying for the tickets. Who cares if he's ruined the pushes of several guys that could've made a difference.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>He makes kids who won't be around to spend money happy!</strong></p><p> </p><p> For a few years, and then he's gonna start to decline like crazy.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>But he makes kids who won't be around to spend money happy!</strong></p><p> </p><p> Story decision? Horrible. Financial decision? Even more so.</p><p> </p><p> Can not wait for the day Cena can't compete anymore and WWE realize they've screwed themselves.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You know, usually most people who don't like Cena refrain from shitting on his Make-A-Wish work with kids. So kudos for going the extra step.</p>

[Rickymex]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hashasheen" data-cite="Hashasheen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You know, usually most people who don't like Cena refrain from shitting on his Make-A-Wish work with kids. So kudos for going the extra step.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> As I said in my above post he most likely meant that kids grow out of wrestling as they age.</p>