Teh_Showtime Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Wrestlezone are reporting Steen has signed. I'm worried WWE won't know what to do with him. He's more likely to end up Steen Kevinson the comedy jobber instead of Wrestling's Worst Nightmare. Best case scenario he skips NXT and debuts as the 3rd member of the Shield.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They are grooming Generico to be a megaface and you don't think they know what to do with Steen?</p><p> </p><p> All they have to do is put them against each other in NXT and he's set for life</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mammoth Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Wrestlezone are reporting Steen has signed. I'm worried WWE won't know what to do with him. He's more likely to end up Steen Kevinson the comedy jobber instead of Wrestling's Worst Nightmare. Best case scenario he skips NXT and debuts as the 3rd member of the Shield.</div></blockquote><p> I agree that they'll more than likely give him a stupid name (although every stupid name they've given people in the past has eventually caught on and I actually prefer Daniel Byran to Bryan Danielson, Dean Ambrose to Jon Moxley and Seth Rollins to Tyler Black now) but Steen has watered himself down in recent years. Although they'll probably water him down even further, you've got to think that Steen is <em>such</em> a bad ass that even if he is, there is still going to be something special about him. My only negative would be the lack of package piledrivers...</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20LEgend Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Anyone who I've heard talk about the NXT naming process says they submit their own names, and yeah they are generally better than what they have on the indies anyway IMO. If this Steen news is true it's great news and a great opportunity for him, worst case scenario I can see is he goes to NXT, has some good matches at the very least. Even if it ends up like Ohno/Hero he'll go back to the indies refreshed and with more interest around him. To presume he'll be misused seems a bit outdated to me (and for my money him debuting as a member of The Shield would be as bad as any idea WWE creative could come up with) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mootinie Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Kevin Steen will have a lot of competition. You've got Devitt and KENTA arriving at roughly the same time. You've got the likes of Neville, Zayn and Breeze on NXT right now, you've got Rose, Big E, Rusev and Bo Dallas. There's also a lot of main roster talent that is being underused. At the end of the day, not everybody can thrive like D-Bry or The Shield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Kevin Steen should be Sami Zayn's chubby friend and they should be the most babyface tag team with Steen being a chubby nice guy and Sami his usual charming self. There aren't enough true babyfaces on the main roster that haven't been jobbed or in the case of Sheamus and Cena aren't hated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Steen's appeal with Generico was never being a nice guy They could still play up Zayn being more upbeat and fun loving (his new theme certainly helps in that) with Steen as the all business babyface. They should probably team before their inevitable feud anyways to get Steen over with the WWE crowd that Zayn already has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 <p>I love how people think WWE/NXT has no idea how to book these guys. When time and time again outside of a few exceptions, ever since Triple H took over development almost every big name indy guy they signed has been massively successful.</p><p> </p><p> After a brief training period to sharpen up his skills to be WWE ready, Steen will almost certainly be booked with a good winning streak in NXT and will be a dominant force.</p><p> </p><p> Steen's skills in the ring are excellent. He has fantastic chemistry with Sami Zayn and they will certainly work a program against each other at some point. I am nothing but excited about this.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 I might have exaggerated a bit. The 1st ROH event I ever watched was El Generico vs Steen at Final Battle 2010, so I always think of Steen as a hardcore wrestler. But NXT has been very gimmicky of late, and as we know that doesn't always translate well on the main roster. The best thing they can do with Steen is let him be himself and not some gimmicky character. As for my Shield member suggestion, I would mark out if he joined them. That's if they plan on keeping the Shield together past SummerSlam instead of letting them all go solo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 <p><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><strong>Raw Review:</strong></span></p><p> </p><p> <strong>The Authority</strong> - It sucks Bryan is out of MITB but I don't mind them milking it. I love how Orton gets a free spot in the Ladder Match.</p><p> <strong>Sheamus vs Barrett</strong> - Good match. I wish they'd let Sheamus win with the Cloverleaf for a change. Brogue Kick out of nowhere is entering AA and RKO territory.</p><p> <strong>Rusev vs Ryder</strong> - Obama buried! Brokeback Putin! Good cheap heat promo but it's helping Lana way more than Rusev. Rusev desperately needs a proper feud.</p><p> <strong>Rybaxel vs TruthDust</strong> - OK match. Interesting way of giving Rybaxel a winning streak. Sandow in face paint as Silverdust next week?</p><p> <strong>3MB vs The Shield</strong> - Fun brawl. Titty Master Ambrose with the A+ promo. I give Reigns a B+. I wonder if they scripted their own promos.</p><p> <strong>The Usos vs Fandango & Sandow</strong> - Funniest Sandow gimmick so far.</p><p> <strong>Woods vs Dallas</strong> - Solid match. Woods showed more personality than usual. JBL's obnoxious heel commmentary works perfectly with Bo's gimmick. I read a suggestion that Bo should use a submission move and yell at his opponents not to give up -- that would be awesome.</p><p> <strong>Cesaro vs RVD</strong> - Good match.</p><p> <strong>Seth Rollins</strong> - His new theme song isn't much better than Cesaro's. Seth stepped up to the plate to deliver a great segment. Reminded me Punk during his ROH Championship run, minus the belt.</p><p> <strong>Paige vs Fox</strong> - Solid match. That Nothern Lights Suplex from Alicia was beautiful.</p><p> <strong>Swagger vs Santino</strong> - OK match.</p><p> <strong>The Shield & Cena vs The Wyatt Family</strong> - Good match. I don't mind Cena with the Shield so long as it's a one-off.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Verdict:</strong> Good show. The Shield & Rollins rocked.</p><p> </p><p> <span>http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt88/milamber/original_zps26661e14.jpg~original</span><span>http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt88/milamber/jp12n4BsunynS_zps703006ed.png~original</span><span>http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt88/milamber/1554427_308670362625483_5323759084380957555_n_zps4695b61c.jpg~original</span></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mootinie Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>His new theme song isn't much better than Cesaro's.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> As much as I agree, Rollins new theme music suits him whilst Cesaro's doesn't.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I love how people think WWE/NXT has no idea how to book these guys. When time and time again outside of a few exceptions, ever since Triple H took over development almost every big name indy guy they signed has been massively successful.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> For the most part I'd agree, but they did take a great indy worker who's over six feet tall and marketable, and gave him a dumb name, complained that he wasn't going to the gym enough, and then let him go after having him hang around NXT for a couple of years. And while Cesaro has had a great six months, it wasn't <em>that</em> long ago he was yodeling on Smackdown while losing every week.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>For the most part I'd agree, but they did take a great indy worker who's over six feet tall and marketable, and gave him a dumb name, complained that he wasn't going to the gym enough, and then let him go after having him hang around NXT for a couple of years. And while Cesaro has had a great six months, it wasn't <em>that</em> long ago he was yodeling on Smackdown while losing every week.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Haha good point on Cesaro. Can't argue you there. It was, to be fair, before HHH firmly took control of development (it was at least still in that transitional phase) and vowed to not bring up talent unless they had something for them creatively. Chris Hero had a few opportunities to catch eyes though. In his case his lack of WWE success, I feel, is on him. Which is in stark contrast to guys like Low Ki who came in and did their part. But nothing was there for them creatively.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 To be fair, Low Ki is extremely limited as a character and is known to have an attitude problem, so the fact that WWE got a few decent months of TV matches out of the guy is probably a victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Haha good point on Cesaro. Can't argue you there. It was, to be fair, before HHH firmly took control of development (it was at least still in that transitional phase) and vowed to not bring up talent unless they had something for them creatively. Chris Hero had a few opportunities to catch eyes though. In his case his lack of WWE success, I feel, is on him. Which is in stark contrast to guys like Low Ki who came in and did their part. But nothing was there for them creatively.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Cesaro was Yodelling because that was something he did pre WWE</p><p> </p><p> It lasted one month after he had a top 10 longest US title reign and then right after that he joined the Real Americans</p><p> </p><p> And Low-Ki by pretty much all accounts is a massive headache backstage, that combined with his size and lack of charisma did him in more than booking in all likelihood.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Cesaro was Yodelling because that was something he did pre WWE<p> </p><p> It lasted one month after he had a top 10 longest US title reign and then right after that he joined the Real Americans</p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> My point is that a year ago WWE were doing a pretty poor job promoting a guy with a great look and tons of talent as recently as a year ago. Having a "top 10" US title reign in WWE really doesn't count for much of anything when he's booked like a jobber, beating no one except comedy jobbers. He had his match with Zayn in the spring of 2013, and WWE started to see something in him, giving him a few 15 minute back and forths with Sheamus to make sure he could work bigger crowds, but before that he dropped the belt to Kofi after losing about 10 non-title matches to him, then lost to R-Truth on television repeatedly in 3 minute matches. In March of 2013, while still champ, Cesaro lost on television to Ryback, Sin Cara, Alberto Del Rio, The Miz, and Kane, with a sole TV win against Zach Ryder. I mean I guess you could interpret it as WWE seeing him as being good at promoting their babyfaces, but most of those matches were so short and inconsequential it was pretty clear WWE just plugged him into a spot, instead of having any stories for him.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 That could be said about anybody it doesn't matter their talent level or where they came from. It's just WWE being piss poor at managing a midcard, they have been just as terrible handling Ziggler as say Cesaro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That could be said about anybody it doesn't matter their talent level or where they came from. It's just WWE being piss poor at managing a midcard, they have been just as terrible handling Ziggler as say Cesaro</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> When did anyone ever have this magical midcard? I mean sure Nitro is remembered for the cruiserweight matches and stuff like that. But for every Jericho vs Rey Mysterio there was 10 Disco Inferno vs Glacier matches to suffer through.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>When did anyone ever have this magical midcard? I mean sure Nitro is remembered for the cruiserweight matches and stuff like that. But for every Jericho vs Rey Mysterio there was 10 Disco Inferno vs Glacier matches to suffer through.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> WCW in the 90's though didn't just feed its midcard to every mid-level babyface that needed a win though. I mean, Dean Malenko was what, 5'8" and couldn't talk, he was never going to be world champion. In WWE, he would be making everybody look good every week on TV until beating him meant nothing (pretty much what actually happened in 2000 and 2001). In 1998 WCW, Dean was definitively beaten by the following guys: Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, Booker T, Curt Hennig, and Brian Adams, in a 12 month span. He won or no decisioned every other match for 12 months, so that it actually meant something when a guy beat him (except Brian Adams, but that was part of the Hennig feud). WWE treats its midcard like jobbers until they come up with something for them to do, at which point they're like "please forget that you saw this guy getting beaten up by Kofi Kingston a few months ago."</p><p> </p><p> Also, Disco Inferno ruled.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpoolez Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>WCW in the 90's though didn't just feed its midcard to every mid-level babyface that needed a win though. I mean, Dean Malenko was what, 5'8" and couldn't talk, he was never going to be world champion. In WWE, he would be making everybody look good every week on TV until beating him meant nothing (pretty much what actually happened in 2000 and 2001). In 1998 WCW, Dean was definitively beaten by the following guys: Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, Booker T, Curt Hennig, and Brian Adams, in a 12 month span. He won or no decisioned every other match for 12 months, so that it actually meant something when a guy beat him (except Brian Adams, but that was part of the Hennig feud). WWE treats its midcard like jobbers until they come up with something for them to do, at which point they're like "please forget that you saw this guy getting beaten up by Kofi Kingston a few months ago."<p> </p><p> Also, Disco Inferno ruled.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The prime example of this is Jack Swagger. He was jobbing before being taken off of TV, then when he came back in 2013 they just hotshotted him into WHC programs like we're supposed to forget that he was just jobbing not too long ago. Ziggler's doing the same thing now although he's looking a lot stronger against bigger name talent. Some booking consistency would be nice, especially for good talent.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mammoth Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 So, WWE.com has announced that Drew McIntyre, Jinder Mahal, Aksana, Curt Hawkins, Theodore Long, Camacho, Brodus Clay, Evan Bourne and Yoshi Tatsu have all been released. It looks like they're making way for even more guys from NXT to get the call up. I wouldn't be surprised to see some more names added to this list in the coming days too if they're in the mood to drop the knife with people like JTG, David Otunga, The Great Khali and Zack Ryder all in the firing line. These things usually come in bunches when the WWE are involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RKOwnage Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mammoth" data-cite="Mammoth" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So, WWE.com has announced that Drew McIntyre, Jinder Mahal, Aksana, Curt Hawkins, Theodore Long, Camacho, Brodus Clay, Evan Bourne and Yoshi Tatsu have all been released. It looks like they're making way for even more guys from NXT to get the call up. I wouldn't be surprised to see some more names added to this list in the coming days too if they're in the mood to drop the knife with people like JTG, David Otunga, The Great Khali and Zack Ryder all in the firing line. These things usually come in bunches when the WWE are involved.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Very surprised to see JTG and Otunga not getting cut. I guess JTG's still getting that <em>money, money, yeah, yeah</em>. But you're right, it certainly could happen.</p><p> </p><p> Poor Drew.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mammoth Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="RKOwnage" data-cite="RKOwnage" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Very surprised to see JTG and Otunga not getting cut. I guess JTG's still getting that <em>money, money, yeah, yeah</em>. But you're right, it certainly could happen.<p> </p><p> Poor Drew.</p></div></blockquote><p> They're apparently still adding names to the list (they only added Drew McIntyre and Jindal Mahal to the list a couple of minutes before I posted) they're just informing the superstars themselves before announcing it so it may actually be in a couple of hours when we see the likes of JTG rather than days.</p><p> </p><p> I'm actually happy for Drew, he's only been going down hill since 2010/11 so I'd rather see him become a star on the independent circuit (hopefully not TNA) than remain a member of 3MB basically being a manager to Hornswoggle on the last two pay-per-views.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>EDIT:</strong> They've just added Marc Harris, a referee.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackKnifed72 Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mammoth" data-cite="Mammoth" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So, WWE.com has announced that <strong><em>Drew McIntyre, Jinder Mahal, Aksana, Curt Hawkins, Theodore Long, Camacho, Brodus Clay, Evan Bourne and Yoshi Tatsu</em></strong> have all been released. It looks like they're making way for even more guys from NXT to get the call up. I wouldn't be surprised to see some more names added to this list in the coming days too if they're in the mood to drop the knife with people like JTG, David Otunga, The Great Khali and Zack Ryder all in the firing line. These things usually come in bunches when the WWE are involved.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Dixie Carter just announced a new era in TNA starting this week on Impact with the debut of a re-formed Aces & Eights that includes: Drew McIntyre, Jinder Mahal, Aksana, Curt Hawkins, Theodore Long, Camacho, Brodus Clay, Evan Bourne and Yoshi Tatsu</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 <p>no more 3mb <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Honestly, this is the saddest release day/bloodbath day I can remember.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>When did anyone ever have this magical midcard? I mean sure Nitro is remembered for the cruiserweight matches and stuff like that. But for every Jericho vs Rey Mysterio there was 10 Disco Inferno vs Glacier matches to suffer through.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Maybe the actual matches were awful because in general 90s wrestling was horrendous in the US, but they still had undercard stories. Jericho had a story in 98, Eddie and Chavo had a story in 98, you didnt just have everyone who wasnt a major star existing solely to lose to other major stars, they usually had something else going for them as opposed to the endless period where Sheamus and Orton were beating Rhodes and Sandow every week in long matches with no story and everyone knew the outcome</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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