Arrows Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hashasheen" data-cite="Hashasheen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You know, usually most people who don't like Cena refrain from shitting on his Make-A-Wish work with kids. So kudos for going the extra step.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thanks.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rickymex" data-cite="Rickymex" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>As I said in my above post he most likely meant that kids grow out of wrestling as they age.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Nope. Went there.</p><p> </p><p> I've got all the respect in the world for the guy for the work he does for Make-A-Wish, but let's face it, that's the ONLY group of people he still positively effects. The group that is going to make the company NO money.</p><p> </p><p> Continuing to have him be God above all and only putting over THE ONE GUY WHO DIDN'T NEED IT is the dumbest business strategy I've seen in my entire life.</p><p> </p><p> Dude cut a promo talking about how to get to the top you've got to go through him, and that's a perfect spot for him to be in. He doesn't need to be THE guy anymore, and that gate keeper to the main event role would be perfect for him. He's established himself as unbeatable enough that someone doing so pretty much elevates them just like that role is supposed to do.</p><p> </p><p> When he wins EVERY FEUD HES IN, it's kinda f'n pointless. The gate keeper isn't supposed to stomp out the flame of every rising star in the promotion. Now Bray's just another guy with a lot of talk who couldn't get the job done, just like everyone else who's ever needed that rub to break out huge.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swanton825 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arrows" data-cite="Arrows" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Nope. Went there.<p> </p><p> I've got all the respect in the world for the guy for the work he does for Make-A-Wish, but let's face it, that's the ONLY group of people he still positively effects. The group that is going to make the company NO money.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Huh, and here I thought I was the biggest jackass on the board.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OctoberRaven Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 <p>Wyatt/Cena was the best match of the night, and made everyone involved looked fantastic.</p><p> </p><p> Shield/Evo II was also really good.</p><p> </p><p> Also, this is like Cena's first actual feud as a gatekeeper. Not to mention Bray looked BAD ASS in that match.</p><p> </p><p> People need to understand that "winning a match" and "being put over" are not the same thing. At all. People forget Flair has one of the worst win-loss ratios ever.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swanton825 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="OctoberRaven" data-cite="OctoberRaven" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Wyatt/Cena was the best match of the night, and made everyone involved looked fantastic.<p> </p><p> Shield/Evo II was also really good.</p><p> </p><p> Also, this is like Cena's first actual feud as a gatekeeper. Not to mention Bray looked BAD ASS in that match.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Don't forget how brutal Roman Reigns' caning was.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrows Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="OctoberRaven" data-cite="OctoberRaven" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Wyatt/Cena was the best match of the night, and made everyone involved looked fantastic.<p> </p><p> Shield/Evo II was also really good.</p><p> </p><p> Also, this is like Cena's first actual feud as a gatekeeper. Not to mention Bray looked BAD ASS in that match.</p><p> </p><p> People need to understand that "winning a match" and "being put over" are not the same thing. At all. People forget Flair has one of the worst win-loss ratios ever.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They made every attempt to make Wyatt look weak, including screaming "HES BEEN DOWN FOR AT LEAST TWENTY SECONDS, REF! LOOK!"</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arrows" data-cite="Arrows" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Nope. Went there.</p><p> </p><p> I've got all the respect in the world for the guy for the work he does for Make-A-Wish, but let's face it, that's the ONLY group of people he still positively effects. The group that is going to make the company NO money.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Then you're a dipshit.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arrows" data-cite="Arrows" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>They made every attempt to make Wyatt look weak, including screaming "HES BEEN DOWN FOR AT LEAST TWENTY SECONDS, REF! LOOK!"</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'll agree with this point</p><p> </p><p> It made no sense whatsoever to point out Cena having Wyatt beat if he was going to beat him anyways. If Wyatt was winning it would have given Cena the (seemingly mandatory) out to lose but with him winning it was pretty bad</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterded Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 <p>This topic sure got dark.</p><p> </p><p> My issue with the Cena Wyatt match was how the ending just didn't work for me at all. Cena should have wanted to beat Wyatt to the point where he couldn't get up on his own, you know the point of a last man standing match. Instead he just throws something heavy on him so that he can't get up. That logically is a cowards move and should be a heels way of wining a last man standing match not the faces. What makes it worst though is that Wyatt didn't even try to get out of the box at all. I mean when Jericho did it to Kane we at least saw Kane try to get out of it. It is almost as bad as when he duct taped Batista's feet together to win a last man standing match.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OctoberRaven Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 They made every attempt to make Wyatt look weak, including screaming "HES BEEN DOWN FOR AT LEAST TWENTY SECONDS, REF! LOOK!" That didn't make him look weak at all. It made him strong, because he had a backup plan; have his cohorts cause chaos to distract the ref. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RKOwnage Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 So....the landscape has changed. I won't spoil it for those who haven't seen it, but wow. What an ending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 After 3 hours of filler and no progress whatsoever at least something happened at the end and the start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrows Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 And now everything anyone bothered getting behind is gone. Way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OctoberRaven Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Great ending to an otherwise drab RAW. The fallout will hopefully make for a better show next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 And now everything anyone bothered getting behind is gone. Way to go. In isolation it's really not a problem but considering that literally nothing else happened on this show it could potentially be a terrible decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 They used the right person, all the seeds for it was already there. My opinion, well played and planned out. Reading other reactions, I have the exact opposite opinion again. I can't see anything but great things ahead because of what happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrows Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 They used the right person, all the seeds for it was already there. My opinion, well played and planned out. Reading other reactions, I have the exact opposite opinion again. I can't see anything but great things ahead because of what happened. You don't see how one of them going from unstoppable to LACKEY is poor? He's now going to be the jobber for that group to keep Trips' SS opponent strong. That's it. Then he's just the moron who made a stupid decision, and that's as far as he's ever gonna get. No more Punk. Bryan goes down with an injury. Cesaro goes from rising to jobbing to the second most boring guy on the roster. Wyatt's become absolutely useless as he's failed to do anything whatsoever except run his mouth. Now this? What exactly are we supposed to be paying to be excited about? Oh. Trips and Cena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Basically what this is obviously leading to is Reigns being on the fast track to a match (and win) with HHH Who better to face him in the months leading up to it than the one guy he was put with who was able to cover his weaknesses while he steadily improved as a worker? It had to happen eventually, and it's a slight risk doing it when they're this hot but it's far better than a potential Cesaro situation where they would be severely missing out if they elected to wait until the hype died down He may be a lackey for now but he wasnt exactly doing anything in singles anyways and facing a guy who they clearly see as the next big thing in a singles is far more impressive than being in yet another 6 man. Then you still have THAT breakup down the line against Orton/HHH as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrows Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Basically what this is obviously leading to is Reigns being on the fast track to a match (and win) with HHH Who better to face him in the months leading up to it than the one guy he was put with who was able to cover his weaknesses while he steadily improved as a worker? It had to happen eventually, and it's a slight risk doing it when they're this hot but it's far better than a potential Cesaro situation where they would be severely missing out if they elected to wait until the hype died down He may be a lackey for now but he wasnt exactly doing anything in singles anyways and facing a guy who they clearly see as the next big thing in a singles is far more impressive than being in yet another 6 man. Then you still have THAT breakup down the line against Orton/HHH as well I completely agree that it was a great time to pull the trigger on it, but it should've been about THEM. Not Trips standing there "I WON!", and making the entire thing about himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 It could be all about them but if it was done that way it would have to put these unproven guys in singles against each other immediately which is pretty much not an option (in terms of drawing power) when Bryan is iffy at best in terms of health and Batista is gone As long as the other two aren't just thrown to the side while they build HHH/Reigns I don't think they can really mess this up in a way that hurts them long term Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I completely agree that it was a great time to pull the trigger on it, but it should've been about THEM. Not Trips standing there "I WON!", and making the entire thing about himself. Well, he does that to get this exact reaction.... I know you know this. HHH the character is supposed to be all about himself being the most important person on the roster. In reality he has been jobbing left and right for the "next generation" of superstars. I'm impressed with his ability to make, even if its very few, people believe he is trying to make himself look better then the rest of the roster, when in fact he hasn't looked this weak... Well, to be honest I can't think of a time when he looked as weak as he does now. I don't think there has ever been a time in the last 10 years anyways, where he would obviously lose in a fair fight. He has his hammer as the equalizer, and that still didn't work. Yet somehow he has some people believing he is trying to make the show all about him, when in reality he just knows his own star potential can help catapult these guys to a status near his (if people buy into them). My opinion so far, HHH has been doing everything (as much as I can expect) right, and it's the only reason the SHIELD have become as popular as they are now. Would I do some things different? I would like to think I would, but everything is much easier when you have hindsight at your advantage. I would have done it months ago, but I think this is actually better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 It could be all about them but if it was done that way it would have to put these unproven guys in singles against each other immediately which is pretty much not an option (in terms of drawing power) when Bryan is iffy at best in terms of health and Batista is gone As long as the other two aren't just thrown to the side while they build HHH/Reigns I don't think they can really mess this up in a way that hurts them long term I would have Randy get jealous and set off a rivalry there... well at least seeds for one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpoolez Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well, he does that to get this exact reaction.... I know you know this. HHH the character is supposed to be all about himself being the most important person on the roster. In reality he has been jobbing left and right for the "next generation" of superstars. <p> </p><p> I'm impressed with his ability to make, even if its very few, people believe he is trying to make himself look better then the rest of the roster, when in fact he hasn't looked this weak... Well, to be honest I can't think of a time when he looked as weak as he does now. I don't think there has ever been a time in the last 10 years anyways, where he would obviously lose in a fair fight. He has his hammer as the equalizer, and that still didn't work. Yet somehow he has some people believing he is trying to make the show all about him, when in reality he just knows his own star potential can help catapult these guys to a status near his (if people buy into them). </p><p> </p><p> My opinion so far, HHH has been doing everything (as much as I can expect) right, and it's the only reason the SHIELD have become as popular as they are now. Would I do some things different? I would like to think I would, but everything is much easier when you have hindsight at your advantage. I would have done it months ago, but I think this is actually better.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Exactly why i think that HHH is one of the GOAT heels. No heel has really been hated by marks for bullying DB and smarks for thinking that anything other than jobbing is him vuryong other talent even when they look strong in losing.</p><p> </p><p> The Shield together is only going to get the three so far. There is more money in the three breaking up and becoming singles stars, and add that they get to get rubs off of HHH and Orton while doing so, I fail to see how this is HHH politicking to put himself over.</p><p> </p><p> The moment itself was great and surprising because they just came off of a win. I didnt think about this before but Seth Rollins was the one who left Ambrose and Reigns high and dry when they feigned a break up a few months back. I shouldve known that Rollins was goig to turn on them but my mind kept saying that Sheamus was going to join Evolution and finally turn heel.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RKOwnage Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 <p>I don't think it's fair to cry foul when no fallout has even happened yet. Yes, as a huge Shield fan like many of us are it sucks to never see them as a faction again for the foreseeable future, but eventually it was going to happen. You can say that Reigns isn't ready, you can say that they're going to throw Ambrose and Rollins to the wayside and sure, that might be true. But we don't know that yet because nothing has even unfolded yet. What has unfolded was a great and shocking angle which has a lot of explaining yet to come. It could be best for the individuals or it could be really bad. We shall see.</p><p> </p><p> I believe that Rollins, and not Reigns, has been the standout of the Shield as a whole. His mic work has greatly improved and he's easily the best in the ring of the three. However, his personality isn't as magnetic or unique as the other two and thus I think it was the right move to turn him. He needs to be maintained as interesting to avoid falling away like the Kofis of the world, great workers with zero personality as a character. HHH did a great thing here. Instantly makes Evolution/Shield more interesting after the loss of Batista. I think it'll end up being the right move, but we'll see.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 <p><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Raw Review:</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong>Evolution</strong> - Entertaining segment. Trips burying Guardians of the Galaxy was funny. #Quitista</p><p> <strong>Sheamus & RVD vs Cesaro & BNB</strong> - Solid match. Heyman was gold on commentary.</p><p> <strong>Sandow</strong> - He was a cheap heat magnet tonight. Then they ruined it with Big Show.</p><p> <strong>Kofi vs The Inspirational Bo Dallas</strong> - Solid match because it wasn't a squash. "Did you see that? I'm winning!" Bo is awesome. "BO-ring" chants!</p><p> <strong>Steph</strong> - The segment actually improved Cena came out because he and Steph have good chemistry. I don't want to see Bryan face Kane (who shouldn't be main eventing) at MITB.</p><p> <strong>Cena vs Kane</strong> - Didn't bother watching it.</p><p> <strong>Nikki vs Fox & Aksana</strong> - Since they screwed up at Payback, they should job everyone out to Fox to make her look strong. She's the most interesting diva.</p><p> <strong>Swagger vs Rose</strong> - Screw the haters. Rose is a fun comedy wrestler and he can go in the ring.</p><p> <strong>The Wyatt Family vs The Usos</strong> - Harper is impressive on the mic. Good match. Was that Rowan's first pinfall victory?</p><p> <strong>Del Rio vs Ziggler</strong> - Solid match. Not happy about the result. </p><p> <strong>Rybaxel vs SinGold</strong> - Solid match. I like that Rybaxel are looking like a legit threat. Hopefully Cody will get a singles push now.</p><p> <strong>Lana & Rusev</strong> - I'll watch any segment with Lana in it.</p><p> <strong>Reigns vs Orton</strong> - Swerve! I'm conflicted. Rollins will make Evolution more entertaining and it's a nice push for him but I still think Ambrose is the most natural heel in the Shield.</p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Verdict:</span></strong> Average show but what an ending!</p><p> </p><p> <img alt="tumblr_n6kgi5yj901szvd2fo1_400.gif" data-src="https://24.media.tumblr.com/a71e1b401da4152e71ecd2d5d8422c34/tumblr_n6kgi5yj901szvd2fo1_400.gif" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><span>http://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/33840997/Screen_Shot_2014-06-03_at_12.18.22_AM.0_standard_709.0.png</span><span>http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/fan_shot_images/331393/MLjJfV0.gif</span></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="dpoolez" data-cite="dpoolez" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Exactly why i think that HHH is one of the GOAT heels. No heel has really been hated by marks for bullying DB and smarks for thinking that anything other than jobbing is him vuryong other talent even when they look strong in losing.<p> </p><p> The Shield together is only going to get the three so far. There is more money in the three breaking up and becoming singles stars, and add that they get to get rubs off of HHH and Orton while doing so, I fail to see how this is HHH politicking to put himself over.</p><p> </p><p> The moment itself was great and surprising because they just came off of a win. I didnt think about this before but <strong>Seth Rollins was the one who left Ambrose and Reigns high and dry when they feigned a break up a few months back.</strong> I shouldve known that Rollins was goig to turn on them but my mind kept saying that Sheamus was going to join Evolution and finally turn heel.</p></div></blockquote><p> That's what I was talking about a couple posts back, the seeds were already set for him to leave them.</p><p> </p><p> I don't know if I can see Sheamus turning heel anytime soon, but it would make sense. He has that history with Daniel Bryan that could be built around for a major feud after DB is done with the "Beat the Authority" storyline.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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