The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[iruleall15]

<p>I can say I'm done watching WWE for good. With the release of my favorite wrestler Drew Galloway I'd rather not watch a shit product anymore...</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

Ryder, Ryback, Axel, Kidd, Titus, Darren Young, sin Cara, Del Rio, Los Suckadores, El Tostito, Adam Rose, Alex Riley, Christian, Rey Mysterious, David Otunga, Khaki, Santino, Slater, Hornswoggle, Justin Gabriel, R Truth, Xavier Woods....</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

That entire list is who should be let go before Drew. The look, the size, the ring ability, and the mic skills all combined easily beat anyone here. Not to menti. The age factor which I included for several guys here. If Drew goes somewhere I will take my self and watch that promotion.</p>

[milamber]

<p><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Smackdown Review:</span></strong></p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Reigns vs BNB</strong> - Good match. Barrett was booked strong but Reigns was about to win when 3MB interfered. Reigns beat the crap out of 3MB, including a mid-air spear on Slater. This was Reigns' best solo outing to date.</p><p>

<strong>Jey Uso vs Rowan</strong> - OK squash. Rowan won, which is important heading into a Tag Title match at MITB.</p><p>

<strong>Dallas vs Truth</strong> - Bo dancing to R-Truth's entrance and mocking his Green Bay shoutout ("Green Bay! What's going on!") was hilarious. Solid match. It's annoying when the announcers say "Outta nowhere!" every time someone hits their finisher. We need dynamic commentary not just a few repeated catchphrases.</p><p>

<strong>Cesaro vs Sheamus</strong> - Heyman translated for a German-speaking Cesaro. He refuses to grapple or Greco-Roman wrestle in a straight-up fight and referenced Sheamus' win with the small package at Payback. Good brawling match. Cesaro beat Sheamus clean... with a small package!</p><p>

<strong>Fandango vs Rose</strong> - Nothing match. Summer was dressed as a Rooster Rosebud and attacked Layla. A brief Rose/Summer pairing could get the crowd interested but nothing short of an amazing feud can save Rose.</p><p>

<strong>Swagger vs Big E</strong> - Squash match. Lana interrupted, Zeb told her to get out and Big E took advantage to win.</p><p>

<strong>Fox vs Aksana</strong> - OK match. Alicia debuted a cool new finisher and got a much-needed win.</p><p>

<strong>Bray vs Ambrose</strong> - Good match. Bray won and joins the MITB Ladder match (I hope he wins it). Ambrose still looked strong with an injury angle and Rollins distracting him. Both guys are improving in singles competition.</p><p> </p><p>

<strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Verdict:</span></strong> Good show. MVP: Bo Dallas. Between Raw, NXT & Smackdown he's been the most entertaining this week.</p>

[dpoolez]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="iruleall15" data-cite="iruleall15" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I can say I'm done watching WWE for good. With the release of my favorite wrestler Drew Galloway I'd rather not watch a shit product anymore...<p> </p><p> </p><p> Ryder, Ryback, Axel, Kidd, Titus, Darren Young, sin Cara, Del Rio, Los Suckadores, El Tostito, Adam Rose, Alex Riley, Christian, Rey Mysterious, David Otunga, Khaki, Santino, Slater, Hornswoggle, Justin Gabriel, R Truth, Xavier Woods....</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> That entire list is who should be let go before Drew. The look, the size, the ring ability, and the mic skills all combined easily beat anyone here. Not to menti. The age factor which I included for several guys here. If Drew goes somewhere I will take my self and watch that promotion.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Del Rio, Kidd, Christian, and Mysterio are all better wresters and Christian and Mysterio are more over than McIntyre's ever been. Xavier Woods just recently debuted so it'd be stupid to fire him just to keep McIntyre who just couldn't keep the fans invested with or without a big push.</p>

[guyver3]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="iruleall15" data-cite="iruleall15" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I can say I'm done watching WWE for good. With the release of my favorite wrestler Drew Galloway I'd rather not watch a shit product anymore...<p> </p><p> </p><p> Ryder, Ryback, Axel, Kidd, Titus, Darren Young, sin Cara, Del Rio, Los Suckadores, El Tostito, Adam Rose, Alex Riley, Christian, Rey Mysterious, David Otunga, Khaki, Santino, Slater, Hornswoggle, Justin Gabriel, R Truth, Xavier Woods....</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> That entire list is who should be let go before Drew. The look, the size, the ring ability, and the mic skills all combined easily beat anyone here. Not to menti. The age factor which I included for several guys here. If Drew goes somewhere I will take my self and watch that promotion.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Being released is the best thing for Drew right now. While I don't at all agree that he has the skills you see I think for him much like brodus clay the only chance he has of making any serious run requires him to go away for a couple years maybe and come back. They have been comedy jobbers for so long they have no chance to succeed in any significant way right now the fans aren't going to buy it.</p>

[Jaysin]

Drew is only 29. There is plenty of time for him to go elsewhere, improve his in ring game and freshen himself up before returning to WWE some day. I'm not saying he's awful by any means, but there's always room for improvement. I doubt he'll be hurting for contract offers, whether there from TNA, ROH, EVOLVE/DGUSA, or Pro Wrestling Syndicate.

 

Also, Tyson Kidd has more talent in his pinky than Drew has in his entire body.

[TakerNGN74]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Drew is only 29. There is plenty of time for him to go elsewhere, improve his in ring game and freshen himself up before returning to WWE some day. I'm not saying he's awful by any means, but there's always room for improvement. I doubt he'll be hurting for contract offers, whether there from TNA, ROH, EVOLVE/DGUSA, or Pro Wrestling Syndicate.<p> </p><p> Also, Tyson Kidd has more talent in his pinky than Drew has in his entire body.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I highly doubt Drew goes to TNA considering that a woman who has or had a restraining order against him works there. He will probably either go to ROH or NJPW which if he were to go to New Japan would probably end up in Bullet Club.</p>

[Jaysin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TakerNGN74" data-cite="TakerNGN74" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I highly doubt Drew goes to TNA considering that a woman who has or had a restraining order against him works there. He will probably either go to ROH or NJPW which if he were to go to New Japan would probably end up in Bullet Club.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh I agree, but I think they'd offer him a contract anyway. They aren't really known for thinking things out all that carefully. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></p>

[JackKnifed72]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>- Damien Sandow suffered three squashes in a matter of minutes at last night's event in Hamilton. After losing to Titus O'Neil, Sandow cut a promo and demanded another opponent. Dallas squashes Sandow and after demanding another opponent, Sandow suffered a quick loss to Adam Rose.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Could Sandow be the next to be "future endeavoured"?</p>

[Teh_Showtime]

<p>It's a house show, people have been doing this for years now where a jobber heel loses multiple times in a night</p><p> </p><p>

And Drew really wasnt that good anyways, he was given a push in 2010 and failed and was put in 3MB which was the first time he's ever been entertaining in his life. There are dozens of better people on the roster but he's not downright awful. If he does end up going to Japan maybe he'll be much improved like Luke Gallows or DH Smith who both have become very solid and are young as well.</p>

[JackKnifed72]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It's a house show, people have been doing this for years now where a jobber heel loses multiple times in a night<p> </p><p> And Drew really wasnt that good anyways, he was given a push in 2010 and failed and was put in 3MB which was the first time he's ever been entertaining in his life. There are dozens of better people on the roster but he's not downright awful. If he does end up going to Japan maybe he'll be much improved like Luke Gallows or DH Smith who both have become very solid and are young as well.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> True on the Sandow comment, just seems a guy that talented with a good gimmick and good crowd reactions being used as a comedy jobber must have p*ssed off someone backstage...maybe it was something like...</p><p> </p><p> Triple H: "Do you even lift, bro?"</p><p> </p><p> Sandow: "Dost thou even read, male sibling?" </p><p> </p><p> Triple H: "<img alt=":mad:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/mad.png.69834f23b9a8bf290d98375f56f1c794.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />"</p><p> </p><p> Sandow: "<img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />"</p><p> </p><p> - Damien Sandow suffered three squashes in a matter of minutes at last night's event in Hamilton. After losing to Titus O'Neil, Sandow cut a promo and demanded another opponent. Dallas squashes Sandow and after demanding another opponent, Sandow suffered a quick loss to Adam Rose-</p><p> </p><p> ...or something like that</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> And I have to agree, I never saw the whole love for "Thee" Drew McIntyre either but to each their own</p>

[Jaysin]

Drew is an average worker with a good look. I think the only moment he ever really looked like a star though was Elimination Chamber 2011. Beyond that his most entertaining stuff has been with 3 Man Band.

[iruleall15]

Go watch Drew vs Christian in Superstars when Christian just win the IC title. Drew has ring ability WWE just doesn't let him show it.

[Teh_Showtime]

<p>They let him show it when he couldnt have good matches with John Morrison. His IC title reign was pretty bad aside from the aforementioned Chamber moment when he went crazy.</p><p> </p><p>

He was never anything but potential that has yet to grow into anything above a midcarder</p>

[Jaysin]

No one is saying he's a bad worker. He has good matches with the right opponents, but there is a plethora of talent in WWE and NXT that are far more talented than him. Tyson Kidd, Hunico/Sin Cara, Primo and Epico/Matadores off your list for example are better in ring workers than Drew ever was. Hunico and the Matadores are saddled with crap gimmicks, but they still show their in ring ability when given the chance. Their biggest draw backs are their lack an above average look.

 

Adam Rose though, is an average in ring worker with a fantastic gimmick and is insanely charismatic. There is no reason to get rid of him.

[Teh_Showtime]

Rose was a brilliant worker as Kruger before being forced into the ultra gimmicky camp

[Rickymex]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Rose was a brilliant worker as Kruger before being forced into the ultra gimmicky camp</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> IIRC he wasn't forced. He was the one that pushed to change into that gimmick.</p><p> </p><p> I don't think you can call Drew out on his ring ability by comparing his matches with a face John Morrison. Morrison lost a lot of his charisma when he turned and while his physical feats were impressive there he wasn't able to consistently have good matches unless faced with ring general opponents or matches where he could use various spots (Elimination Chamber, No DQ? vs the miz, ect.)</p>

[Jaysin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Rose was a brilliant worker as Kruger before being forced into the ultra gimmicky camp</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I hated the Kruger gimmick and I guess by extension I ignored his ring work. I generally skipped his segments. Adam Rose is seriously one of my favorite things though. I don't care if it's a blatant Get Him To The Greek rip off or not, it's well done and he plays it incredibly well.</p>

[lazorbeak]

I liked Drew fine but I always felt he suffered from being the #3 best British Isles worker to debut between 2009 and 2010. It's like WWE re-set whatever cloning machine that was turning out guys that looked vaguely like Charlie Haas, and set it to produce 6'4" foreign heels, so we got Sheamus, Barrett and Drew within a year of each other, without any on-screen mention that suddenly there was a bunch of European tall guys showing up at around the same time. And while I agree his "chosen one" gimmick wasn't great, I'm not sure it's fair to single out PPV matches 4 years ago as proof he can't work. He reminds me a bit of Chris Masters in that he was very young and not really ready for his introductory push, but was actually looking pretty good in the lower end of the card when WWE decided he wasn't worth investing in again.

[Jaysin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I liked Drew fine but I always felt he suffered from being the #3 best British Isles worker to debut between 2009 and 2010. It's like WWE re-set whatever cloning machine that was turning out guys that looked vaguely like Charlie Haas, and set it to produce 6'4" foreign heels, so we got Sheamus, Barrett and Drew within a year of each other, without any on-screen mention that suddenly there was a bunch of European tall guys showing up at around the same time. And while I agree his "chosen one" gimmick wasn't great, I'm not sure it's fair to single out PPV matches 4 years ago as proof he can't work. He reminds me a bit of Chris Masters in that he was very young and not really ready for his introductory push, but was actually looking pretty good in the lower end of the card when WWE decided he wasn't worth investing in again.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Just out of curiosity, out of Barrett and Sheamus, who is your number one?</p>

[lazorbeak]

Just out of curiosity, out of Barrett and Sheamus, who is your number one?

 

Just as far as upside, I've always had Sheamus at #1, because from the moment I saw him I knew he could be a big deal babyface (even "Hogan" was picked to cash in on real or pretended Irish heritage). I do like both, but I also like that Sheamus's matches just seem incredibly brutal. But Drew was always a distant third, since he wasn't nearly the talker the other two were, and seemed a lot greener in general (which he was).

 

I think it's somewhere on the early pages of this thread I talk about Sheamus's upside while somebody talks about how awful he is and how he'll be out of the company in a year.

[Jaysin]

Just as far as upside, I've always had Sheamus at #1, because from the moment I saw him I knew he could be a big deal babyface (even "Hogan" was picked to cash in on real or pretended Irish heritage). I do like both, but I also like that Sheamus's matches just seem incredibly brutal. But Drew was always a distant third, since he wasn't nearly the talker the other two were, and seemed a lot greener in general (which he was).

 

I think I'd flip Sheamus and Barrett for me. I just think Sheamus is an awful babyface. His matches are almost always fun, but his character and promos as a face just never click for me. They're boring and insanely cheesy, but not in the fun way. His mic skills aren't bad, just his delivery as a face just never struck me as believable.

 

Barrett though, while not as good in ring as Sheamus, has the mic game down to a science.

[lazorbeak]

I think I'd flip Sheamus and Barrett for me. I just think Sheamus is an awful babyface. His matches are almost always fun, but his character and promos as a face just never click for me. They're boring and insanely cheesy, but not in the fun way. His mic skills aren't bad, just his delivery as a face just never struck me as believable.

 

Barrett though, while not as good in ring as Sheamus, has the mic game down to a science.

 

You just don't like WWE babyfaces, which is fair, they are generally petty jerks who appeal directly to five year olds, but like I say, from the minute he debuted I could tell he could be a big attraction. Some people didn't agree:

 

I will expect an apology when Sheamus is out of the E within a year.

 

(from November 2009)

 

I do think it's legitimately embarrassing that WWE hasn't given Barrett a top run in four years though. Especially after his first year, I figured he'd be a pretty big deal by now, but he's only just now back to where he was at the height of Nexus.

[Teh_Showtime]

Barrett is one of the best mic workers in the game right now. I never thought he was anything special in the ring but over the last year or so he's been getting better and better and he's turned great there too. He's not as good as Sheamus in the ring but being better overall helps me get into his matches more

[Jaysin]

You just don't like WWE babyfaces, which is fair, they are generally petty jerks who appeal directly to five year olds, but like I say, from the minute he debuted I could tell he could be a big attraction. Some people didn't agree:

 

 

I do think it's legitimately embarrassing that WWE hasn't given Barrett a top run in four years though. Especially after his first year, I figured he'd be a pretty big deal by now, but he's only just now back to where he was at the height of Nexus.

 

Whose quote is that about Sheamus being out of the company with in a year of 2009?

 

I love countless babyfaces in WWE. The Usos, Paige, Big E, The Shield, Daniel Bryan, Ziggler, Emma, Goldust, etc. I just think Sheamus's act as a face isn't as believable or as entertaining as his heel persona.

[Blackman]

On a sidenote: love the bearded Batista look. Now I want him to stay, because he looks damn cool.