The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[TakerNGN74]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">NXT Review:</span></strong><p> </p><p> <strong>Natalya vs Paige (Women's Championship)</strong> - Good match. Natalya is way better on NXT. She's able to use a varied moveset and against a good opponent in Paige she's smooth instead of botchy. IMO, WWE underestimate their audience. If the main roster divas were putting on matches of this quality every week the crowds would eventually cheer them instead of treating their matches like a bathroom break.</p><p> <strong>Cesaro, Kruger & Zayn</strong> - Backstage segment after last week's show where Cesaro agreed to talk to Zeb about making Kruger a Real American if he does Cesaro a favour. Kruger would later abush Zayn during a backstage interview.</p><p> <strong>English vs Jobber</strong> - Another impressive squash win for English. The NXT crowd love the guy.</p><p> <strong>Cesaro & Byron Saxton</strong> - Cesaro came out and apologized to Saxton for assaulting him last week. He forced Saxton to say "We the People" which he did half-heartedly. Cesaro assaulted him again, demanding to know where the absent William Regal was.</p><p> <strong>Kidd vs Kruger</strong> - Decent match. Kruger locked in the sharpshooter. Zayn distracted him and Kidd got the pin.</p><p> <strong>Neville vs Dallas (NXT Championship)</strong> - Good match if a little short. Neville won by count-out, so Bo retained. Neville is one of the most exciting wrestlers in WWE. I love Bo's gimmick but there's still room for improvement in-ring.</p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Verdict:</span></strong> Stacked show with 2 title matches, Cesaro, Natalya & Kidd.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The ending to the main event had me scratching my head, it was a great heel tactic by Bo to act as if he was going to get back in the ring and then not do it at the last second. However it just makes me wonder where they are going with Bo as Champion. I'm really curious to know who he will lose it to and at this point if it's not Zayn (or even Neville) I'm going to be greatly disappointed.</p><p> </p><p> Also Natalya vs. Paige was excellent!</p>

[Dawn]

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[milamber]

They could have called them RyBoring but that wouldn't have been best for business

 

Smackdown Review:

Big E vs Fandango - Short OK match.

RhodeDust vs Rybaxel - Decent match. Cody took his eye off the ball and Axel pinned him.

Del Rio vs Kofi - They have no clue what to do with these guys. Thankfully, ADR beat the crap out of Kofi and there was no match.

Punk vs Ambrose - Shield cut a promo with subtle dissension between Ambrose and Reigns over who was the strongest member. Good long match. Punk won after a GTS.

Natalya vs Tamina - Watchable but Nattie's NXT match was miles better. AJ on commentary was good.

Rey & Show vs Real Americans - Fun match.

Bryan vs Orton - Good match. Predictable ending with the Wyatts distracting Bryan who got RKO'd. Bray cut a quick promo.

 

Verdict: Solid show. MVP: Ambrose who put on his best ever singles match.

[Dawn]

Ziggler vs. Fandango for TLC...matches that make sense FTW!

[Jaysin]

Cena vs Rock for match of the year? Really?

[GhostDogg]

<p>OK. </p><p>

Some of those Awards were rigged. </p><p> </p><p>

Such as Rock vs Cena 2...really? </p><p> </p><p>

Now maybe I am reading to much into this, but after the chaotic ending, could it possibly...Cena could possibly..dare I say it...TURN HEEL? </p><p> </p><p>

Think about it..Orton gets a little too big for his britches and the Authority turns on Orton, to make the corpororate champion Cena. (which in all seriousness...its not to far from right) </p><p> </p><p>

And then Cena can fued with Bryan. (Man, shes should have called it Monday Night G.O.A.T.) </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

Just a thought</p>

[Rickymex]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Cena vs Rock for match of the year? Really?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> And AJ not winning Insult of the Year along with CM Punk vs Lesnar and Bryan vs Cena not even nominated in exchange of HHH vs Lesnar and Bryan vs Orton</p>

[milamber]

<p>Raw was good for a Slammies Edition. Punk vs Ambrose was great. Wyatts vs Usos was good. The Championship Ascension segment was entertaining. Cena and Orton killed it with their promos and the cluster**** ending was awesome! LOL at Bellas beating AJ for Diva of the Year and getting booed.</p><p> </p><p>

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[Slim Jim]

I don't see why Rock vs Cena winning is at all a surprise. They said voting was done on the WWE App. I'm not saying they don't rig their votes but that one makes absolute sense given the two guys involved. Rock and Cena cover probably the two biggest areas of WWE's fanbase, especially the ones likely to vote on the app, so while it definitely wasn't the "best" match of the year, I don't see any reason to think they rigged that result.

[Jaysin]

I wasn't meaning they rigged the result. I'm just shocked that even younger fans thought it was better/more entertaining than the likes of Punk/Taker.

[ThriceP86]

<p>Slim J is right about Rock vs Cena. They're the most over workers and even people that don't watch WWE knows who they are. It's not a surprise it won match of the year especially voted by the fans. The vote by the fans is stupid because the general fans don't know good wrestling when they see it. And when they do see it, some of them don't even know why it's so good.</p><p> </p><p>

I have nothing against someone being a fan of WWE and watching it once a month or once a year but that doesn't mean they're vote actually means much when they obviously have no idea what a real wrestling match looks like.</p><p> </p><p>

Maybe I'm being too opinionated on it, maybe not but that's just my opinion on WWE's stupid App voting. It makes me not want to watch WWE... Hell, even my friend and I watch ROH more than any other wrestling company these days. I think I could go on and on but I'll just stop there. 'Nuff said.</p>

[Rickymex]

<p>One of the articles in the front page of yahoo.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

<a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/news/wwe-dropped-ball-unification-match-tlc-sunday-163300261--spt.html" rel="external nofollow">http://sports.yahoo.com/news/wwe-dropped-ball-unification-match-tlc-sunday-163300261--spt.html</a></p>

[Dawn]

This is what happened after Raw.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=544iIesuny0

[milamber]

<p><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">NXT Review:</span></strong></p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Hunico & Camacho vs Ascension (NXT Tag Titles)</strong> - OK match with the champs retaining. NXT is in desperate need of new tag teams.</p><p>

<strong>Rusev vs Ohno</strong> - The Bulgarian Brute (who is already doing house shows with the main roster) won in Ohno's last match.</p><p>

<strong>Bayley & Natalya vs BFFs (Summer & Sasha)</strong> - Entertaining match won by the BFFs.</p><p>

<strong>Dawson (w/ Leforte) vs Mojo Rawley</strong> - OK match. Mojo won and Dawson beat him down. Not sure why Leforte is still around.</p><p>

<strong>Kruger vs Zayn</strong> - Decent match scripted to make Kruger look dominant. Zayn snapped after the match and unloaded on Kruger in a heelish moment.</p><p> </p><p>

<strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Verdict:</span></strong> Average show. They crammed in too many matches leaving us with a short main event. MVPs: Bayley, Sasha & Summer.</p>

[Jaysin]

I'm reading a bunch of people guessing that somehow Triple H walks out as Champion. While it's insanely unlikely, I wouldn't put it past them. Also, it'd be kind of hilarious at this point.

[Truly]

<p><a href="http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/WWE_News_3/article_75079.shtml#.UquJFfRDsdU" rel="external nofollow">A.J. Styles to WWE? Ross offers his perspective.</a></p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Ross: "Not because A.J. isn't an outstanding talent, because he is, but I get the feeling WWE wants to create new stars and those new stars are going to come from the WWE Performance Center <strong>exclusively</strong>.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>"WWE is trying to build up <strong>a Developmental roster mainly consisting of talent with little-to-no past pro wrestling experience</strong>."</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> As much as I understand the general purpose of the Performance Center, this just seems wrong. Like someone had pointed out in comments section: what if this was the practice in the 90's?</p>

[Teh_Showtime]

<p>That's clearly not the case when the AmWolves (among others) are currently in an extended try out in addition to the numerous indy stars over the past few months that they have been signing.</p><p> </p><p>

AJ wont go to WWE because they have no use for him. He's what, 36 years old right now? They have multiple guys nearly a decade younger who are equal if not better than him as it stands and they are currently making less money than AJ would accept for a WWE contract. I love Styles as much as the next guy but what does he offer that Zayn/Generico doesn't at this point? Or Seth Rollins as well. Both of whom are younger and one is already firmly established to the WWE audience.</p>

[Dawn]

After what happened after Raw it would be awesome if CM Punk went in to his TLC match in underwear. Punk had the courage to hug his boss in underwear so that wouldn't surprise me.

[fullMETAL]

<p>Milamber, you mention that you feel NXT badly needs new tag teams.</p><p>

So, given your current level of familiarity with the roster of NXT, how many of the roster would you feel would be better served in teams, and what would these teams be? (as in, tell us roster pairings you think would work for the Tag Division)</p><p> </p><p>

In fact, I pose that question to anybody here who's familiar with NXT to enough of a level to offer their opinions on that.</p>

[Big Roguey]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="fullMETAL" data-cite="fullMETAL" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Milamber, you mention that you feel NXT badly needs new tag teams.<p> So, given your current level of familiarity with the roster of NXT, how many of the roster would you feel would be better served in teams, and what would these teams be? (as in, tell us roster pairings you think would work for the Tag Division)</p><p> </p><p> In fact, I pose that question to anybody here who's familiar with NXT to enough of a level to offer their opinions on that.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If Leo Kruger's live event gimmick makes it to TV, I can totally see him and Tyler Breeze in a team.</p>

[milamber]

<p><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Smackdown Review:</span></strong></p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Bryan vs Rowen</strong> - Short match that ended in a DQ. Bryan dodged Harper & Rowen and caught Bray with a flying knee in his rocking chair. No need to pipe in fake cheers for Bryan. Effective teaser for TLC.</p><p>

<strong>Real Americans vs RhodeDust</strong> - Good match. Cesaro pinned Cody after an uppercut. Even Zeb looked shocked they won!</p><p>

<strong>Henry vs Sandow</strong> - Sandow got himself counted out. Big E threw him back in the ring to eat a Henry clothesline. Sandow cheapshotted Big E on the apron and escaped.</p><p>

<strong>Cena</strong> - OK promo, insisting that Orton will give up at TLC because he doesn't have the nuts to go the distance. </p><p>

<strong>Shield vs Usos</strong> - Good match. The Usos dominated but Rollins did a mock GTS and Reigns delivered a spear for the win. Ambrose was on commentary, deftly denying Cole's assertion that cracks are appearing in the Shield. Punk mocked the Shield with a promo from the arena basement.</p><p>

<strong>ShowRey vs Rybaxel</strong> - Show pinned Ryback after 2 minutes. Stupid way to build these teams up for the TLC tag match.</p><p>

<strong>Bray Wyatt</strong> - Cut a promo that was crazy even by his standards. He sung a lullaby to Bryan that he sings to his pets before he puts them down.</p><p>

<strong>Kofi & Miz</strong> - Kofi was supposed to have a match with Del Rio but Miz ambushed him and delivered the Skull Crushing Finale. I guess he's a heel again.</p><p>

<strong>Orton & Trips</strong> - Orton tried to prove his innonence and apologize while the fans chanted for Bryan. Trips teased firing him then gave him a second chance. Orton accused Trips of siding with Cena. Trips smirked and ambiguously stated that the Authority knows exactly where their faith lies. I smell a swerve!</p><p> </p><p>

<strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Verdict:</span></strong> Decent show overall. Shame the main event was a non-event.</p>

[Teh_Showtime]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="fullMETAL" data-cite="fullMETAL" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Milamber, you mention that you feel NXT badly needs new tag teams.<p> So, given your current level of familiarity with the roster of NXT, how many of the roster would you feel would be better served in teams, and what would these teams be? (as in, tell us roster pairings you think would work for the Tag Division)</p><p> </p><p> In fact, I pose that question to anybody here who's familiar with NXT to enough of a level to offer their opinions on that.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It almost seems like Destiny for Tyler Breeze to team with Fandango at some point</p><p> </p><p> The Ascension is awful, like really awful. They've been doing squash matches for over 2 years now and fail to impress. They look good all the way up until the bell rings. They are boring as all sin</p><p> </p><p> I think Adrian Neville and Mason Ryan's inevitable return would be a good main roster team. Neville probably shouldn't be put in singles from the gate and according to Rob Naylor the two are good friends. I think their UK vibe plus big man/little man combo in addition to both men's physical appearance would make a good team. Mason still isn't good but that has never stopped them from using people (such as...well Mason)</p><p> </p><p> Obviously Enzo Amore and Colin Cassidy eventually. Currently Enzo is out with a broken leg though. Really great vibe from the team and they got so over in NXT they were forced to turn face. On the main roster they are perma heels in all likelihood and Enzo can talk for years. He is probably going to be the successor to Heath Slater as the heel jobber who can get his heat before taking his loss.</p>

[milamber]

Milamber, you mention that you feel NXT badly needs new tag teams.

So, given your current level of familiarity with the roster of NXT, how many of the roster would you feel would be better served in teams, and what would these teams be? (as in, tell us roster pairings you think would work for the Tag Division)

 

In fact, I pose that question to anybody here who's familiar with NXT to enough of a level to offer their opinions on that.

 

After the latest recruitment drive NXT has about a dozen guys who either haven't debuted or haven't been pushed past jobber status yet. They could get a couple of teams out of that lot. Of the main roster: Mason Ryan, Corey Graves & Scott Dawson are all decent talents who can't carry a good match on their own and could benefit from a tag team push.

 

Really at this point they have to throw some guys together quickly or disband the tag titles. Meanwhile they should have use main roster teams like PTP & Los Matadores to give The Ascension some decent opposition.

[JackKnifed72]

<p>My TLC predicition...</p><p> </p><p>

CM Punk wins vs The Shield...Reigns accidentially takes out Ambrose with clothesline meant for Punk. Rollins tags in and eats a GTS as Reigns and Ambrose argue at ringside...</p><p> </p><p>

Post match, Ambrose and Rollins jump CM Punk, only to have Reigns shove them away, saving Punk from the beatdown before storming off...</p><p> </p><p>

Later, backstage, Triple H & Stephanie confront Reigns...Triple H: "Get your act together Reigns, or else...The Authority made you...we can break you!"...</p><p> </p><p>

Main event time...after a back and forth match, Cena lays out Orton with an AA and is about to climb the ladder when HHH makes his way to the ring. Hunter takes out Cena with a Pedigree and, with Cena and Orton layed out, he stares up at the belts...he sets up the ladder...then Reigns charges the ring...SPEAR on HHH...Orton struggles to his feet...SPEAR for Orton...F*** it...SPEAR for Cena too! (BAH GAWD THA CARNAGE!) Reigns climbs the ladder and pulls down both belts to become WWE World Heavyweight Unified Champion as TLC goes off the air...</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

Probably wouln't happen...but ya never know</p>

[Rone Rivendale]

<p>If anyone could just climb the ladder and take the belts, you would have the entire roster in the ring like a MitB match by the time it was over. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

The Shield probably will break up soon, but it's going to be Ambrose breaking off with Rollins and Reigns staying together. At least, I see it that way.</p>