20LEgend Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Not seen any of the spoilers but Bishcoffs run down of Nash was pretty coo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20LEgend Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Who is TNA's number 2 heel now? Matt Hardy? Edit: Forgot about Jarrett because he sucks, TNA need a balance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwt13 Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 That was the best Impact in a while IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20LEgend Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Didn't Crimson attack AJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juggaloninjalee Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Didn't Crimson attack AJ They will justify it by not saying anything about that or that they planned that so Immortal wouldn't be on to them. This is wrestling stuff like this always happens. I like that Fortune have left Immortal. To me it came off ok and a Jeff Hardy vs AJ Styles feud could be good. Gunnar and Murphy will get a slight push (not that I want this) and Matt Hardy can go for the X-Title. I don't like Matt Hardy but at least it is reasonable where things are I guess. They have options and fresh match ups going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisen-verse Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Tonight's Impact was actually a pretty good show; for the most part. I like the Kennedy/Hardy stuff (which is saying a lot seeing how I don't like either really), the Jarrett/Karen stuff was pretty solid from a building storyline perspective (hoping they are doing all of this in which to enrage Kurt Angle more; creating a real-life scenario storyline), and the ending was pretty solid. Immortal may have been a good idea on paper but it really failed to do anything for me. In all honesty, as we've said many of times, TNA is on the cusp of something really great (given how they shoot, display, and perpetuate their product from a production standpoint) but just need something to really get them there. It's impossible but I wish TNA could simply take a step back, completely stop what they're doing now, wipe our minds free of what we've seen for a bit, and completely overhaul their roster; creating factions that actually carry their own weight. I don't mean that to sound harsh; I just really feel like some changes need to come. In a somewhat related note, really.... Scott Steiner is back? Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyde Hill Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="liontamer" data-cite="liontamer" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Read the spoilers for the first time in a long while and the ME of both shows and the big reveal has me scratching my head. I understand and saw parts, but not all of it coming and didn't think it was going to be part of the storyline for 2/3. I'm interested to see how it comes off on camera, the written report sounds akward, but the people involved have the skills to make it work.<p> </p><p> <strong>Also, I find the stats post above interesting, but questionable. How can Matt Hardy already be 3-7 in TNA? Or did I miss something.</strong></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I am pretty sure this includes house show results and Hardy was losing to RVD on the last run. Don't know why because those are almost meaningless. I might actually watch this impact.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommohawk Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <p>I'm glad Fortune have turned on Immortal, I think almost all of Fortune are better as babyfaces, especially Beer Money and AJ. Beer Money work well as heels at least but they're better as faces imo, AJ just doesn't work as a heel. Him like HBK is just too good and entertaining for that. But where HBK succeeded where AJ fails is in his ability to cut really good promos and the natural charisma. AJ is like Angle, not that great on the mic but in the ring he's one of the best.</p><p> </p><p> I still expect Steiner to defect to Immortal for sure, maybe even Kaz and Crimson too, interesting to see what happens with Ric Flair now or if he's done with TNA. Maybe this is winding up the Hogan/Bischoff regime. I still think they're good for TNA behind the scenes, especially Bischoff, just not when they're dominating air time over TNA talent and playing politics. </p><p> </p><p> In any case it wouldn't surprise me to see Sting return to side with Fortune/TNA if he doesn't go to WWE. Nor would it surprise me to see Joe/Daniels (if back) join Team TNA, but imo those two would be better served declining and doing their own thing especially Joe. Joe would be best served being promoted as a real bad ass. Daniels should be a heel and feud with AJ. And I really want Joe vs Daniels vs AJ III as I didn't see the first one, but that last one I saw a year ago was frickin awesome!!</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juggaloninjalee Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <p>In the late 80s early 90s WWF had Hulk Hogan as the face of the company. In the early 90s WCW had Sting. Who is TNA's? I think AJ Styles.</p><p> </p><p> TNA needs to realize that AJ Styles is the face of their company and they need to finally build him that way. Don't have him floundering around a secondary title. He needs to be towards the top of the card on a regular basis. He is a former World Champion and should be treated and respected as one.</p><p> </p><p> He may not be the best wrestler or most over but the ultimate success I feel lies on his shoulders. So if TNA drops the ball with him that doesn't mean all hope is lost but I think it will make things harder for them.</p><p> </p><p> I may be wrong but that's my opinion.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20LEgend Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="juggaloninjalee" data-cite="juggaloninjalee" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>They will justify it by not saying anything about that or that they planned that so Immortal wouldn't be on to them. This is wrestling stuff like this always happens.<p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Was anyone else in the room with him, Maybe Ric Flair, if he wasn't in on it that's ok but if he returns as a face it will be stupid,<img alt=":confused:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/confused.png.d4a8e6b6eab0c67698b911fb041c0ed1.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juggaloninjalee Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="20LEgend" data-cite="20LEgend" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Was anyone else in the room with him, Maybe Ric Flair, if he wasn't in on it that's ok but if he returns as a face it will be stupid,<img alt=":confused:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/confused.png.d4a8e6b6eab0c67698b911fb041c0ed1.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I've seen on message boards that Ric Flair is supposedly leaving TNA soon.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="thommohawk" data-cite="thommohawk" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>AJ is like Angle, <strong>not that great on the mic </strong>but in the ring he's one of the best.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Of all the ridiculous things you've said, this is the MOST ridiculous</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <p>Someone get the torches and pitchforks; how dare someone describe Kurt Angle as less than awesome at something.</p><p> </p><p> Kurt Angle is like Roddy Piper in my view; they have great delivery and are very into what they say and it gets over great and people love it. But if you actually stop for five seconds and listen to the words they've said rather than how they say them, you realize they haven't actually said anything that amazing. </p><p> </p><p> To me, it's akin to the difference between being a great wrestler and a great worker; the great wrestler is good at the mechanics while the great wrestler is good at getting a reaction and eliciting emotion. Hulk Hogan's matches got great reactions and the people were super into them, but if you look at what he does, he doesn't really do a whole lot and is rather average at it to boot. But the great workers don't really have do a lot or even be good at it, because they get the desired result, the people getting into the match, anyway.</p><p> </p><p> When it comes to interviews, there is being a great at knowing what to say (the mechanics) and being great at how you say it (the delivery; getting emotion) with some people being good at both. Kurt Angle and Roddy Piper are great at the delivery but not so much the mechanics. I mean, can someone direct me to a Kurt Angle interview where, if you listen to what he says rather than how he says it, the words actually do what a promo is meant to do?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fantabulous" data-cite="Fantabulous" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Kurt Angle is like Roddy Piper in my view; they have great delivery and are very into what they say <strong>and it gets over great and people love it.</strong> But if you actually stop for five seconds and listen to the words they've said rather than how they say them, you realize they haven't actually said anything that amazing. </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I kind of thought that was the point of a promo.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <p>Angle's a really good promo, but I agree he isn't a great promo. </p><p> </p><p> Beer Money are better as babyfaces. I was so annoyed when they turned heel back in January. It was the first step in me losing interest in Hogan's regime.</p><p> </p><p> AJ is also better as a babyface, although he's improved his heel schtick commendably. I think the problem with building around AJ is that they've tried it several times before, and given up, so now there's a certain stink of failure on him. Also, AJ Styles in 2010 is the exact same guy as in 2005. There's practically no difference, and nothing new or exciting he looks like he can provide. I reckon TNA need a young, fresh guy to put at the top of their ladder... but the ship sailed on AJ last year.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <p>Based on the variety of character he's played, the fact that he's equally effective as a heel and a face, and the fact that he can do comedy just as well as he does a strictly serious character, I'd say Kurt is AT WORST a sold B/B+ on the mic.</p><p> </p><p> And that's mainly because his stuff in TNA brings him down when you compare him to the genius of his stuff in the E while working with/against Austin, The Rock, and HBK (Sexy Kurt???really?? no one remembers Sexy Kurt???)</p><p> </p><p> So saying he's 'not that great' is ridiculous and comparing him to AJ is way off base. He's head and shoulders above AJ Styles.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juggaloninjalee Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Based on the variety of character he's played, the fact that he's equally effective as a heel and a face, and the fact that he can do comedy just as well as he does a strictly serious character, I'd say Kurt is AT WORST a sold B/B+ on the mic.<p> </p><p> And that's mainly because his stuff in TNA brings him down when you compare him to the genius of his stuff in the E while working with/against Austin, The Rock, and HBK (Sexy Kurt???really?? no one remembers Sexy Kurt???)</p><p> </p><p> So saying he's 'not that great' is ridiculous and comparing him to AJ is way off base. He's head and shoulders above AJ Styles.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I agree Angle is the best wrestler and one of the best promo men in TNA. He is far too old to be the face of TNA though. They need that person you can always look at and say that guy is TNA and TNA is that guy. To me it has always been AJ Styles. Not saying a new guy couldn't be in that position though.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="juggaloninjalee" data-cite="juggaloninjalee" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I agree Angle is the best wrestler and one of the best promo men in TNA. He is far too old to be the face of TNA though. They need that person you can always look at and say that guy is TNA and TNA is that guy. To me it has always been AJ Styles. Not saying a new guy couldn't be in that position though.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I actually agree. When he first signed, Kurt could have and should have been THE guy alongside AJ. But that boat has sailed and TNA squandered their chance.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I kind of thought that was the point of a promo.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The point of a promo is to draw money. Freddie Blassie put it best when he said the point of an interview is to draw money and if you're doing it for any other reason you're doing it for the wrong reason. </p><p> </p><p> To put it in more simple terms, Kurt's promo's get over on how he delivers them rather than the material he's delivering. Now, that isn't to say Kurt can't do a promo that gets an issue over and makes people want to see the match in question. I just wouldn't mind being pointed in the direction of one. Because for all the talk of Kurt being great on the mic, and his delivery is good-to-great which I would not deny, I've rarely if ever heard of Kurt cutting a money promo. I've heard, and seen, him cut some highly entertaining promo's and ones that made me laugh. But they've never made me interested in the match he's trying to put over or the feud he's pushing. Which is the point of a promo.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fantabulous" data-cite="Fantabulous" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> But they've never made me interested in the match he's trying to put over or the feud he's pushing. Which is the point of a promo.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'd say that's your personal preference though. The promos he cut on Lesnar leading up to and following WM...his work putting over Cena where he was by FAR the biger star at the time...everything leading up to his match with HBK at WM..even the stuff surrounding Kennedy and that wacky medal in TNA...those would all be my examples of promos that helped drive the feud and made me want to watch.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juggaloninjalee Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'd say that's your personal preference though. The promos he cut on Lesnar leading up to and following WM...his work putting over Cena where he was by FAR the biger star at the time...everything leading up to his match with HBK at WM..even the stuff surrounding Kennedy and that wacky medal in TNA...those would all be my examples of promos that helped drive the feud and made me want to watch.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I agree with this in full.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Final Countdown Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 I'd say that's your personal preference though. The promos he cut on Lesnar leading up to and following WM...his work putting over Cena where he was by FAR the biger star at the time...everything leading up to his match with HBK at WM..even the stuff surrounding Kennedy and that wacky medal in TNA...those would all be my examples of promos that helped drive the feud and made me want to watch. If this forum had a 'Like' button, I would use it for this post. Angle is one of the best promo guys in the business. AJ may be at or near his level wrestling-wise, but he's not even close to him on the microphone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommohawk Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Of all the ridiculous things you've said, this is the MOST ridiculous Ooooohh pot, kettle, black! SPEAKING OF RIDICULOUS!! Dude you just disagree for the sake of disagreeing with me, go troll someone else... Look at the facts, neither AJ or Angle are that great on the mic...that is a stone wall fact. Are either Angle or AJ to The Rock's standard on the mic or even anywhere near ?! hell frickin no...like it or not that's a fact. And there's a multitude of guys who're also much better that either Angle or AJ on the mic who have more charisma or ability to deliver. So therefore, what I said holds true - those two aren't that great on the mic. Simple as. There's nothing wrong with either on the mic, but at the same time they are just not that great. You know it as well as I do so stop lying to yourself and everyone else just to disagree with me. I wouldn't mind but I'll bet you said the same thing at some point or another. LMAO!! Get real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 If this forum had a 'Like' button, I would use it for this post. Angle is one of the best promo guys in the business. AJ may be at or near his level wrestling-wise, but he's not even close to him on the microphone. Thanks, I clearly feel the same way. But I don't think Fantabulous is saying anything unreasonable. He's said that Kurt is entertaining and has good delivery. My only complaint way back when was in the statement that he's 'not that great' which - to me - signifies someone who is totally average and unremarkable on the mic AND that he's comparable to AJ. Like you said...AJ isn't even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Look at the facts, neither AJ or Angle are that great on the mic...that is a stone wall fact. I don't think you know what the word 'fact' means. I never said Angle was as good as The Rock. But he's much MUCH better than AJ. And obviously that's not just my opinion.Even Fantabulous said he was better than you gave him credit for. If you don't think so, that's fine...but it's not a FACT. It's your OPINION. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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