BHK1978 Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <em>Edited because this has no place in the thread and I apologize to the other posters for it.</em> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 I'm tired of the bickering that goes on here. In my capacity as a forum mod, it stops now or I start handing out warnings and/or temporary bans to people. No more insults, no more flames, no more taunts, no more petty bickering and no more violation of board policy. If you feel like you might break any of these rules, then don't post in this thread for at least the next few days as I'll be lurking around to see constructive thoughts, valid opinions and people presenting arguments instead of having them. And if you don't like that, then feel free to PM me your thoughts and we can discuss matters privately. I'm tired of the petty arguments between people who should know better, don't make me ban anyone because I don't like doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Edited to avoid more off-topic stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommohawk Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 <p>Okay I would like to get a show of hands on this, going back to my original points, just to see what the majority feel on this one....and to see if I'm the only one that sees it this way - overzealous hating of TNA product and it not as bad as it's made out to be ? Mr Anderson evoking stylistically of The Rock slightly in a good way ? Kurt Angle being decent-good on mic but not great like the HBK's, Rock's and Jericho's of this world ? To me all of this is obvious based on my open minded observations of the wrestling I've watched, obviously my stating this is an opinion in itself but just wonder if everyone else sees this ? Or if lazorbeak and the other guy are correct in their opinion or statement in that it is just me ? </p><p> </p><p> Not trying to cause trouble or instigate a thing, I am legitimately curious as to if the majority of wrestling fans are seeing what I see ? On the one hand I'm like probably not, but on the other hand I'm of the opinion of how can one miss it and is it not obvious ? Because I scratch my head sometimes at how people miss it. Legit post. I hope people understand where I'm coming from....</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="thommohawk" data-cite="thommohawk" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Okay I would like to get a show of hands on this, going back to my original points, just to see what the majority feel on this one....and to see if I'm the only one that sees it this way - overzealous hating of TNA product and it not as bad as it's made out to be ? Mr Anderson evoking stylistically of The Rock slightly in a good way ? Kurt Angle being decent-good on mic but not great like the HBK's, Rock's and Jericho's of this world ? To me all of this is obvious based on my open minded observations of the wrestling I've watched, obviously my stating this is an opinion in itself but just wonder if everyone else sees this ? Or if lazorbeak and the other guy are correct in their opinion or statement in that it is just me ? <p> </p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> --TNA...whether or not it's fair is a matter of perspective. I think they shoot themselves in the foot more often than not. I also think net fans in general are fairly negative. </p><p> </p><p> If you're referring to that first conversation specifically, go back and read it. It was your reaction and the way you put your opinion as fact that caused people to criticize. </p><p> </p><p> But the whole 'TNA gets hamered unfairly' can be true at time.</p><p> </p><p> --Anderson/Rock comparisons are valid. </p><p> </p><p> --you keep changing the way you state that so it's hard to really comment but : I don't think Angle is one of the best promos ever, but I think he's better than what you gave him credit for.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="thommohawk" data-cite="thommohawk" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Okay I would like to get a show of hands on this, going back to my original points, just to see what the majority feel on this one....and to see if I'm the only one that sees it this way - overzealous hating of TNA product and it not as bad as it's made out to be ? Mr Anderson evoking stylistically of The Rock slightly in a good way ? Kurt Angle being decent-good on mic but not great like the HBK's, Rock's and Jericho's of this world ? To me all of this is obvious based on my open minded observations of the wrestling I've watched, obviously my stating this is an opinion in itself but just wonder if everyone else sees this ? Or if lazorbeak and the other guy are correct in their opinion or statement in that it is just me ? <p> </p><p> Not trying to cause trouble or instigate a thing, I am legitimately curious as to if the majority of wrestling fans are seeing what I see ? On the one hand I'm like probably not, but on the other hand I'm of the opinion of how can one miss it and is it not obvious ? Because I scratch my head sometimes at how people miss it. Legit post. I hope people understand where I'm coming from....</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I didn't say you were wrong, I said there was evidence that Angle was very good on the mic: namely, that in 2002 he won an award for "best talker" that has gone to Chris Jericho, The Rock, and Steve Austin, three of the best talkers in the past 20 years.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="thommohawk" data-cite="thommohawk" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Okay I would like to get a show of hands on this, going back to my original points, just to see what the majority feel on this one....and to see if I'm the only one that sees it this way - overzealous hating of TNA product and it not as bad as it's made out to be ? Mr Anderson evoking stylistically of The Rock slightly in a good way ? Kurt Angle being decent-good on mic but not great like the HBK's, Rock's and Jericho's of this world ? To me all of this is obvious based on my open minded observations of the wrestling I've watched, obviously my stating this is an opinion in itself but just wonder if everyone else sees this ? Or if lazorbeak and the other guy are correct in their opinion or statement in that it is just me ? <p> </p><p> Not trying to cause trouble or instigate a thing, I am legitimately curious as to if the majority of wrestling fans are seeing what I see ? On the one hand I'm like probably not, but on the other hand I'm of the opinion of how can one miss it and is it not obvious ? Because I scratch my head sometimes at how people miss it. Legit post. I hope people understand where I'm coming from....</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I call posts like these a "reality check"... where I find out if something I think is true, actually is. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></p><p> </p><p> TNA's product is generally good, but can range anywhere between awesome (Flair/Lethal promos, Angle/Hardy or Angle/AJ matches) to terrible (where to begin....) on a weekly basis. Fans will always have opinions but it's fairly clear that people enjoy things more than they say they do otherwise they would stop watching. It's that simple. Personally, I watch TNA every week and most weeks I'm happy with what I've watched.</p><p> </p><p> Mr Anderson is one of my favourite of the newer generation of wrestlersm, mostly because he reminds me of the fun of the Attitude era. I do hate his finisher though... just doesn't click for me the way a finishing move should, doesn't make me pop and he has better moves in his arsenal. I remember hearing that your finisher should be your best move, and it isn't his.</p><p> </p><p> Kurt Angle isn't in the top 10 talkers of all time in pro-wrestling... but only 10 people can be. His character has evolved, become more understated instead of the awesomeness it was at it's peak in the WWE but Angle remains one of the better talkers around. In TEW terms he's probably around a low 80s score for mic work, which is still very, very good without being one of the greatest of all time.</p><p> </p><p> Opinions are always tough to argue as different people like different things. <strong>Everyone should remember that arguing about opinions is like a verbal debate on religion... no-one is going to change their mind based on what you say, no matter what the "facts" are.</strong> The sooner everyone realises this the happier everyone will be, especially as you can then move on to finding out why people like something else even if you don't like it yourself. And who knows... one day you might find out something good and appreciate things differently.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> TNA's product is generally good, but can range anywhere between awesome (Flair/Lethal promos, Angle/Hardy or Angle/AJ matches) to terrible (where to begin....) on a weekly basis. Fans will always have opinions but it's fairly clear that people enjoy things more than they say they do otherwise they would stop watching. It's that simple. Personally, I watch TNA every week and most weeks I'm happy with what I've watched.</p><p> </p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, the Rock/Anderson comparisons are probably more true now than ever before. The fact he has the entire audience chanting 'Im an A-Hole' is verrrry reminiscent of an Attitude style promo</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommohawk Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I didn't say you were wrong, I said there was evidence that Angle was very good on the mic: namely, that in 2002 he won an award for "best talker" that has gone to Chris Jericho, The Rock, and Steve Austin, three of the best talkers in the past 20 years.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> In the interest of not stepping over the line I digress. And Angle may have won an award for his promos I don't know (you'd know better than i) but honestly some of Angle's promos in TNA have been the most real as there's been times when he's been in tears in the ring, but, have you honestly ever seen Angle have the crowd in the palm of his hand like The Rock or Jericho ? Ever seen Angle cut such an effective promo as the HBK 'lost my smile' classic ? I'm not disputing that Angle isn't a decently acceptable promo cutter (maybe even on his day can be great) but I am disputing that he's a great promo cutter....which to me it's a fact that he's not. I don't wish to be an a$$ about it but that's the way I feel.</p><p> </p><p> @DerekB, not just saying this because you're a mod or anything m8, but I think you're spot on with your assessment of TNA and the iwc in general as that's exactly the way I see it. I often find that people look silly when they bash TNA at times because there are times when you watch what they said didn't make sense or whatever when it's clear that they either weren't paying attention or they purposely left crucial info out to make it look bad. Speaking of dirt sheet 'reports' when I say this.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 <p>If I had to pick one thing about TNA that turns me off of the product when I try to give it another chance is the frenetic pace of the product and the presentation therein.</p><p> </p><p> Nothing feels like it has a chance to sink in before we're cutting to something else. Within seconds of a match ending or promo being over, we're cutting TO THE BACK for something else or going to the announcers to talk about something new. But it's not just that. The matches never getting time to develop is always a problem but the production is outright migraine-inducing. The constant switching from shot to shot, angle to angle, to where you never get to take even five seconds to let a particular camera shot sink in before you're taken to the next one. How about letting us dwell on something for a while?</p><p> </p><p> And while we're talking about TNA production, something that made me view them as second-rate was their lack of split-screen, where you could replay a highlight from moments ago on one side of the screen while the match was still shown live on the other. WWF/E were doing this for years and it seemed like TNA took forever to finally do this. I got so frustrating to have them replay a move that just happened while the match was still going on in the background but you couldn't see it. What took them so long to do this?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="thommohawk" data-cite="thommohawk" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>In the interest of not stepping over the line I digress. And Angle may have won an award for his promos I don't know (you'd know better than i) but honestly some of Angle's promos in TNA have been the most real as there's been times when he's been in tears in the ring, but, have you honestly ever seen Angle have the crowd in the palm of his hand like The Rock or Jericho ? Ever seen Angle cut such an effective promo as the HBK 'lost my smile' classic ? I'm not disputing that Angle isn't a decently acceptable promo cutter (maybe even on his day can be great) but I am disputing that he's a great promo cutter....which to me it's a fact that he's not. I don't wish to be an a$$ about it but that's the way I feel.<p> </p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> First I'd like to say that this is a great example of stating your opinion strongly without necessarily making it sound lik you're literally thumping your chest while typing. <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> I disagree that he's not a great promo. BUt I'm not gonna run this argument into the ground. </p><p> </p><p> Also... you definitely have a point about his TNA stuff being more 'real.' I don't know what happened, but around the midway point of his WWE run he stopped being 'funny Kurt' on a regular basis and I sort of miss that.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fantabulous" data-cite="Fantabulous" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If I had to pick one thing about TNA that turns me off of the product when I try to give it another chance is the frenetic pace of the product and the presentation therein.<p> </p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yup. Just..yup.</p><p> </p><p> They don't let storylines sink in, characters switch allegiance to fast, no one is ever a good guy or bad guy long enough to make a turn meaningful..</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> I think the E is moving at a snail's pace and is incrdibly predictable, but holy sh*t is TNA too much in the opposite direction</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommohawk Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fantabulous" data-cite="Fantabulous" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If I had to pick one thing about TNA that turns me off of the product when I try to give it another chance is the frenetic pace of the product and the presentation therein.<p> </p><p> Nothing feels like it has a chance to sink in before we're cutting to something else. Within seconds of a match ending or promo being over, we're cutting TO THE BACK for something else or going to the announcers to talk about something new. But it's not just that. The matches never getting time to develop is always a problem but the production is outright migraine-inducing. The constant switching from shot to shot, angle to angle, to where you never get to take even five seconds to let a particular camera shot sink in before you're taken to the next one. How about letting us dwell on something for a while?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Horses for courses but honestly this is precisely what I love about TNA is it's fast and frenetic BAM,BAM,BAM don't stop for anything if it can't keep up presentational approach....it kind of reminds me about what I liked about '24' even though that show had nothing to do with wrestling obviously lol. About the camera angles honestly I never noticed as I was too busy watching the match in all honesty. Even so I don't think constant switching is a bad thing and you don't notice it if you don't try to because every program does it constantly anyways. The part about matches not given enough time I'd disagree with in that I feel the matches are longer than WWE matches or for the most part much more entertaining if they are quicker. </p><p> </p><p> Maybe I've simply found my own personal wrestling Nirvana in TNA but for me ROH don't have the name wrestlers that they used to (or is it those guys are now famous?) and for me WWE has been flatout laborous and drop dead boring for years. I grew up as a WWE fanboy but honestly around 3 years ago I lost all interest - what killed it for me was I hadn't watched all year and I tuned in to consecutive Wrestlemania's only to find that quite literally nothing had changed all year....that was the straw that broke the camel's back for me with the E.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>First I'd like to say that this is a great example of stating your opinion strongly without necessarily making it sound lik you're literally thumping your chest while typing. <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Lol, like I said you had me down wrong. <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 TNA's pacing is something that has often bothered me, though I try not to think about it too much. One thing that has always bothered me about wrestling is that almost everything seems to happen on camera, except for big surprises... nothing seems to happen backstage that we don't see, so it's like everything is happening in a bubble. If there was some actual feeling that people had a life outside of wrestling then things would be better, but it's rare that I get that feeling at all on the TV shows. There should be constant reminders throughout the shows that the roster is always on the road, always travelling, that they might never get to see each other apart from at Impact... that when everyone gathers in one place everyone is jostling for position, trying to get things done, wanting matches, pushing for time... that only some people can make it on to Impact and that everyone we don't see is on Xplosion, vying for the chance to make an Impact. That every week, dozens of things are happening backstage that we never get to see or hear about, instead of getting to see and hear apparantly everything that goes on. Sometimes jumping from one thing to another is fine, but that needs to be delivered within a framework that actually pushes that it NEEDS to be done because so much is going on. I know I'm kinda rambling a bit, but if I were to try and sum it up in a sentence it would be like... "I feel like I'm being pushed along a railway line... there's only one path, but I wish it felt like I was driving along a road where I could take any turn I want and there would be something there." That probably makes no sense... but it's my last thought for the night in here. And I agree that WWE feels too slow, but that's a lot of other thoughts wrapped together for another day entirely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="thommohawk" data-cite="thommohawk" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Maybe I've simply found my own personal wrestling Nirvana in TNA but for me ROH don't have the name wrestlers that they used to (or is it those guys are now famous?) and for me WWE has been flatout laborous and drop dead boring for years. I grew up as a WWE fanboy but honestly around 3 years ago I lost all interest - what killed it for me was I hadn't watched all year and I tuned in to consecutive Wrestlemania's only to find that quite literally nothing had changed all year....that was the straw that broke the camel's back for me with the E.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> 100000% agree with this. I think that's why the Nexus hit so big..it was the first 'surprise' angle theyd done in years</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommohawk Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>100000% agree with this. I think that's why the Nexus hit so big..it was the first 'surprise' angle theyd done in years</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> See now we're communicating lol <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Actually to be honest I'm a noob when it comes to anything remotely recent when it comes to WWE. I've heard of the Nexus obviously, but because I don't watch anymore I've missed basically everything and only kept up online. The last time I watched the E for any length of time was the Jan 4 flippage. Before that was WM Taker vs Michaels II (great but not as awesome as the 1st) which to give props where it's due - when WWE put on an epic of their own, they're a class apart and always have been! </p><p> </p><p> The last I heard about WWE online really was this whole Juan Cena thing and I Lol'd. Now someone called Del Rio has won the Rumble and he's supposed to be good, but is he another Shaemus poo poo ? I also missed the entirety of CM Punk's stint on the RAW commentary booth, apparently it was epic which I can believe because I know how great Punk is on the mic with his line delivery and innate charisma. Sorry, lol. But yeah....in a nutshell for all TNA's foul ups and faults over recent years they've still provided me with way more good entertainment than WWE have done in the last 10 years in true honesty. Where I was bored with WWE watching out of loyalty and lack of knowledge of a visible choice, when I turned to TNA I was enthralled consistently and for me was honestly like 'this is where it's at'. Quality wrestling, breakneck pacing, more catered to adults than children, established talent of old, name talent of the indies, completely new talent I'd never heard of until then (rob roode) and of course AJ blowing me away. <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Joe vs AJ vs Daniels II btw just wow!! Hands down the best match I've seen since the Bret Hart/HBK WM epic. Not too distant second though being HBK vs Taker first one - HBK kicking out of the tombstone WM moment personified ZOMG!!!</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>TNA's pacing is something that has often bothered me, though I try not to think about it too much. One thing that has always bothered me about wrestling is that almost everything seems to happen on camera, except for big surprises... nothing seems to happen backstage that we don't see, so it's like everything is happening in a bubble.<p> </p><p> If there was some actual feeling that people had a life outside of wrestling then things would be better, but it's rare that I get that feeling at all on the TV shows. There should be constant reminders throughout the shows that the roster is always on the road, always travelling, that they might never get to see each other apart from at Impact... that when everyone gathers in one place everyone is jostling for position, trying to get things done, wanting matches, pushing for time... that only some people can make it on to Impact and that everyone we don't see is on Xplosion, vying for the chance to make an Impact. That every week, dozens of things are happening backstage that we never get to see or hear about, instead of getting to see and hear apparantly everything that goes on.</p><p> </p><p> Sometimes jumping from one thing to another is fine, but that needs to be delivered within a framework that actually pushes that it NEEDS to be done because so much is going on. I know I'm kinda rambling a bit, but if I were to try and sum it up in a sentence it would be like...</p><p> </p><p> "I feel like I'm being pushed along a railway line... there's only one path, but I wish it felt like I was driving along a road where I could take any turn I want and there would be something there."</p><p> </p><p> That probably makes no sense... but it's my last thought for the night in here. And I agree that WWE feels too slow, but that's a lot of other thoughts wrapped together for another day entirely.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This is an interesting thought, it reminds me of Jim Ross' old sit-down interviews in the early Attitude era and before, where he'd really get into why a character acted the way he did, and what motivated him, etc. I always thought it made the characters seem more relateable because here they'd sit down and basically be a toned down but in-character version of themselves, and could explain why they did what they did, and it was just the character explaining their lives, not seeing them shopping for groceries in costume or anything ridiculous. </p><p> </p><p> I'd love to see somebody do a sit-down interview with Hogan and have him in-character talk about his fear and insecurities, his legacy, how he thinks he will be remembered for his time in TNA, that sort of thing. Then his on-screen persona can be like "brother I didn't mean any of that, you took it out of context!" I mean this is the same tactic that got Vince McMahon over at the #1 heel in the industry when he sat down and talked trash about a guy that was already out the door, in part because it felt so real.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbergey_2005 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I mean this is the same tactic that got Vince McMahon over at the #1 heel in the industry when he sat down and talked trash about a guy that was already out the door, in part because it felt so real.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Bingo!</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slagaholic Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Impact drew a 1.31 rating. They must be doing <em>something</em> right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basmat01 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Slagaholic" data-cite="Slagaholic" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Impact drew a 1.31 rating. They must be doing <em>something</em> right.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Matt thinks it was because of him</p><p> </p><p> Gerwick.net</p><p> Matt Hardy on the latest TNA Impact ratings via Twitter: Hulkster & Jeff brought me in & the ratings keep growin-Coincidence?I think not! FACT! .. Dixie, u can thank ME & Jeff 4 the ratings jump-just saying.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabbo Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Matt is his own biggest mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommohawk Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 <p>Surely that's a deliberate heel at work and not his own thinking. That's what it looks like. If not then Matt Hardy is an idiot and extremely delusional.</p><p> </p><p> As for the 1.31 rating, I believe that's two things....1 is people wanting to see the botch job regarding Nash/Booker....but mainly I think it's the fact that TNA are doing a better job of booking angles to promote their major storylines in all honesty. I mean the other week when Abyss came out with his arms outstretched before crashing to the stage floor to reveal the nail board impaled in his back before Crimson came out and screamed the date of when 'they're coming' was fantastic. And of course to see the reveal itself. Which didn't disappoint.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 <p>Angle cut some great promo's in the past. Sure, most of its success was because it was awesomely written. But still... His mic skills are decent enough, surely, but of course he's no Jericho or Rock. That much is obvious.</p><p> </p><p> An I agree that WWE is flat out predictable in a boring way. TNA however is showing me so much wrongness, however, that I just can't bear to watch. Especially if you think what great company it could've become.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommohawk Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Angle cut some great promo's in the past. Sure, most of its success was because it was awesomely written. But still... His mic skills are decent enough, surely, but of course he's no Jericho or Rock. That much is obvious.<p> </p><p> An I agree that WWE is flat out predictable in a boring way. TNA however is showing me so much wrongness, however, that I just can't bear to watch. Especially if you think what great company it could've become.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I hope you don't think I'm a raging TNA fanboy for saying this, because I've noticed one or two things myself where I've genuinely been like 'ok why did they show that then not promote it as if it never happened what was the point' case in point was the Samoa Joe abduction angle which they showed but literally never followed up on.....in any case you say there's so much wrong with TNA that you can't stand to watch it - would you care to say specifically what that is ? Because to me when I see anybody give specifics it's almost always either inaccurate or extremely thin in all honesty. Otherwise if it's neither of these things I tend to agree completely.</p><p> </p><p> I'd also follow that and say that there's things TNA do wrong for sure, and often times they are their own worst enemy....and yes sometimes you do get the impression that the writers couldn't find their ass with both hands in a well lit room - though I'd say the same for Vince McMahon by and large given the last 5 years of WWE....in any case I'd also say that there's a lot that TNA do right with as well. Which is another thing I tend to notice, people are quick to list TNA in an all encompassing negative bubble but they never mention specifics unless it's Hogan nor any of the positives that TNA do have....at least not from what I've seen.</p><p> </p><p> You're probably seeing a different TNA than I am.....but to me when I watch TNA I see name value talent (Angle, Flair, Hogan, Bischoff, RVD, Anderson, Hardy) and I see a more adult oriented show with breakneck pacing and quality wrestling with the X Division to a pretty good women's division, an excellent tag team division with MCMG & Beer Money two of the best tag teams in the world imo...there's also AJ Styles who is a star attraction....not to mention Velvet Sky who is also a star attraction for a different reason. I love her lol, how gorgeous is she ?! Anyway yeah I see lots of positives with TNA, in fact more positives than negatives. What annoys me about TNA the most isn't the presentation or the writing, it's the crowd constantly heckling the guys when they try to cut a promo it's like jesus the seats are not facing you for a reason!</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellboy2 Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 <p>about the Knockout division my mate was watching some re-runs and i think she was called Hamada don't know who it was against but it was bloody brilliant </p><p> </p><p> i don't watch TNA much anymore but what i have seen i've really enjoyed, it does seem a little fast paced but i enjoy that, stopped watching with the Kurt Angle/Matt Morgan match at the PPV i can't remember awesome match, like what i see but sadly don't get much time to watch it these days</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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