BHK1978 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Big props to TNA this week. They did a really good job at taking two guys I've been struggling to give a darn about since coming back to the audience and really made them interesting. Gunner holding the World title briefcase had been feeling like a big joke to me. Last time I'd seen him he was a thug in some second rate security force and looking like a big lump of nothing. By promoting his blue collar/military background and playing up the road he took to getting into TNA, it gave me reason to look beyond all that and see why he was in position to fight for the gold. The contrast of the scrappy Gunner and chosen one Magnus really had me into that match. Even though I couldn't really have cared less when I turned the DVR on to watch the show. And this may have been the best show I've ever seen out of James Storm. The progression he took throughout the show was awesome. Having him counsel Bobby Roode brought back good memories of the Beer Money pairing. And that set the table for me to stay still long enough to listen to him also advise Gunner. Which I'm glad I'm did. Between the two of them it really sold the notion of him being a credible enough presence to be the locker room psychologist. I may never have been big on him as far as being a world title contender. But the idea of him being the veteran backbone of the roster was one I was more than ready to accept. And then the whole "nobody screws you but ME!!" finish. Glorious. I can't wait to see how Gunner going to react to that. I can't wait to see what comes of the tag team title case now. They really awakened me to this storyline. What I could have said just days ago was their weakest story link just got good. Now I can't wait for Gunner to give Storm what for. Well done this week, guys. While I agree with you about how they built up Gunner over the last show (Really the last couple of shows) they did do a terrible job when he first captured the briefcase. It looked like they were ready to turn him heel and then all of a sudden maybe two or three weeks later he was a face and they were promoting his real life credentials. I did like the the James Storm turn though I saw it coming a mile away because I read an interview with him a couple of weeks ago where he was saying that he had not been a heel in a long time. So I had the feeling that he was going to turn and he ended up doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I love they're teasing a Beer Money reunion and the Wolves just won the tag titles...damn that'd be a fun feud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappyboy Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I love they're teasing a Beer Money reunion and the Wolves just won the tag titles...damn that'd be a fun feud.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh absolutely. If I were any more down for that idea, I'd be the floor. Two or three faction wars ago it was splitting Beer Money that was the beginning of me checking out on TNA. I loved Storm and Roode together so much I couldn't stomach the idea of seeing them at odds. If this teased feud comes about, you'll have one happy tag fan over here.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphadraighon Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Does anyone else find it odd that Dixie says she refuses to share TNA with anyone, and yet is offering Bobby Roode 10% stake in the company to lead her team at Lockdown? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Does anyone else find it odd that Dixie says she refuses to share TNA with anyone, and yet is offering Bobby Roode 10% stake in the company to lead her team at Lockdown? No, what's odd is that TNA is a privately controlled company, yet some how, MVP bought stock without Dixie knowing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNAfan123 Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 I've honestly liked TNA more over the last 2-3 months more than I've liked wrestling of any kind in some time. The last 2-3 weeks have just been great though, so much that I've stayed away from spoilers. The build of new stars is going great in TNA and something WWE really needs to take note of, I actually care enough about the characters to watch and enjoy their matches, while I can't even watch WWE any more it's beyond boring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphadraighon Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 No, what's odd is that TNA is a privately controlled company, yet some how, MVP bought stock without Dixie knowing. In reality yes, they are. Now correct me if I'm wrong (I'm not much more than a casual observer of their shows) but I don't think they've ever stated on camera or in kayfabe that TNA is privately owned. So if that is correct, from a story-line, kayfabe standpoint, there is no reason he couldn't have managed it somehow. I think someone else also pointed out that there are a number of ways that it could have been accomplished, since Dixie isn't the owner, Bob Carter is. Dixie is only the head of wrestling operations. Last I checked, and owner didn't need to check in with his underlings if he sold a portion of his company. Again, just from a story-line stand point, as I understand it: Dixie doesn't want to share the company with anyone, but is willing to give up 10% of it to prevent someone else from owning any portion of it. That makes far less sense to me than the idea that MVP might have bought into the company without her knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="alphadraighon" data-cite="alphadraighon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>In reality yes, they are. Now correct me if I'm wrong (I'm not much more than a casual observer of their shows) but I don't think they've ever stated on camera or in kayfabe that TNA is privately owned. So if that is correct, from a story-line, kayfabe standpoint, there is no reason he couldn't have managed it somehow.<p> </p><p> I think someone else also pointed out that there are a number of ways that it could have been accomplished, since Dixie isn't the owner, Bob Carter is. Dixie is only the head of wrestling operations. Last I checked, and owner didn't need to check in with his underlings if he sold a portion of his company.</p><p> </p><p> Again, just from a story-line stand point, as I understand it: Dixie doesn't want to share the company with anyone, but is willing to give up 10% of it to prevent someone else from owning any portion of it. That makes far less sense to me than the idea that MVP might have bought into the company without her knowledge.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Janice Carter is actually 79% owner with Jeff Jarrett holding the other 21%. Dixie is the president. Bob Carter has nothing to do with TNA, Janice is the only one in Panda with shares. As for your point, 10% is nothing compared to someone owning half the company. You wouldn't even really have say in anything goes on, you'd just get a part of the profit, which TNA doesn't make one, so you'd be getting nothing. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphadraighon Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 <p>Like I said, I only follow on a casual level. Janice or Bob Carter, my point is the same. Someone could have bought into the company without Dixie knowing, because she's not an owner and there is no obligation on the owners (especially in a private holding) to inform employees of purchases made by outside entities.</p><p> </p><p> None of that matters though, unless it's part of the "on-screen" power structure of the company. I don't watch all that often, but from what I've seen Dixie is stated to be the Head/Chief/President of Wrestling Operations (on-screen.) Basically, that's a manager in charge of one aspect of a corporation, not an owner, not necessarily even a board of directors member. From a pure story stand point, her authority is strictly over the WRESTLING portion of the company, not the company as a whole. This again enforces the point that if someone were to buy into the company (through whatever means) there is no reason to expect that the other owners would be required to inform her of this fact if they did not want to.</p><p> </p><p> (Again, I don't watch often enough to be sure who TNA's "on-screen" owner is, but from what I have seen, I wouldn't say it was Dixie.)</p><p> </p><p> For me the the amount isn't as important as the idea that she would say she won't share with anyone, but then say that she'll share with Bobby. It's also the way they are treating the amount. Yes, in reality 10% is not much. No control or anything. But they're acting like it is important, so for the purpose of the story line it IS important.</p><p> </p><p> I'm not looking at this from the perspective of what it means in the real world, I'm looking at it from the perspective of what TNA says it means in the fictional world that they have created.</p><p> </p><p> In that fictional world, 10% IS important, because they SAY it is important. If it wasn't it wouldn't be enough to have tempted Robert Roode. If it was just about the money he'd make, she would have offered him more money, not ownership stake.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="alphadraighon" data-cite="alphadraighon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Like I said, I only follow on a casual level. Janice or Bob Carter, my point is the same. Someone could have bought into the company without Dixie knowing, because she's not an owner and there is no obligation on the owners (especially in a private holding) to inform employees of purchases made by outside entities.<p> </p><p> None of that matters though, unless it's part of the "on-screen" power structure of the company. I don't watch all that often, but from what I've seen Dixie is stated to be the Head/Chief of Wrestling Operations (on-screen.) Basically, that's a manager in charge of one aspect of a corporation, not an owner, not necessarily even a board of directors member. From a pure story stand point, her authority is strictly over the WRESTLING portion of the company, not the company as a whole. This again enforces the point that if someone were to buy into the company (through whatever means) there is no reason to expect that the other owners would be required to inform her of this fact if they did not want to.</p><p> </p><p> (Again, I don't watch often enough to be sure who TNA's "on-screen" owner is, but from what I have seen, I wouldn't say it was Dixie.)</p><p> </p><p> For me the the amount isn't as important as the idea that she would say she won't share with anyone, but then say that she'll share with Bobby. It's also the way they are treating the amount. Yes, in reality 10% is not much. No control or anything. But they're acting like it is important, so for the purpose of the story line it IS important.</p><p> </p><p> I'm not looking at this from the perspective of what it means in the real world, I'm looking at it from the perspective of what TNA says it means in the fictional world that they have created.</p><p> </p><p> In that fictional world, 10% IS important, because they SAY it is important. If it wasn't it wouldn't be enough to have tempted Robert Roode. If it was just about the money he'd make, she would have offered him more money, not ownership stake.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm pretty sure I'm part owner of TNA by this point <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 TNA has gone to the "we have multiple warring authority figures" well a thousand times. I love MVP, but come on, it's a horrible storyline that got old when they did it ten times ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphadraighon Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 <p>I also think that another important thing being overlooked here could be a matter of wording.</p><p> </p><p> MVP is said to be an investor. An investor is not the same as an owner or shareholder.</p><p> </p><p> I don't think anyone ever said that MVP BOUGHT part of TNA, just that he had invested in it. It's possible for someone to invest a significant amount of cash into a business, and in return be given a position of authority within said company without actually purchasing any portion of that company.</p><p> </p><p> It happens all the time.</p><p> </p><p> So it's possible (again, from a story line stand point) that MVP met with Janice Carter and offered to invest a couple million dollars in Panda Energy (or in TNA itself) in exchange for a position on the board of directors and/or a position equivalent to that of Dixie. As the owner of the company, Janice could grant such authority to MVP (again, without any requirement or obligation to inform Dixie, as Dixie is not an owner and MVP is not actually purchasing any of the company.)</p><p> </p><p> The other thing to think of is...if Dixie isn't the owner (on-screen) then how does she have the right to give away ten percent of the company that someone else owns?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphadraighon Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>TNA has gone to the "we have multiple warring authority figures" well a thousand times. I love MVP, but come on, it's a horrible storyline that got old when they did it ten times ago.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Never said it was a GOOD story, or that it hadn't been done. Just trying to understand what their exact logic is this time around.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 There is no logic at all. If MVP is only an investor, why can he hire people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphadraighon Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>There is no logic at all. If MVP is only an investor, why can he hire people?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> As I said in that post, it could be that he traded his investment for a position of authority roughly equal to that of Dixie. Such things do happen, and in this case if it did he would be able to hire people or make matches, which he seems to be doing.</p><p> </p><p> It depends on what deal he made with Janice in exchange for his investment.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 <p>I just wish TNA would focus more on their wrestling and titles. Maybe have the "Board of Directors" put up the leadership of TNA to whichever faction can hold all the titles. You have MVP's group and if Roode gets the 10% ownership have him enter the fray with Austin Aries.</p><p> </p><p> Magnus has the world title, Aries the X-Division, and the Wolves the Tag titles right now so all the groups have one.</p><p> </p><p> As long as they don't turn it into factions wars but focus more on #1 contendership and winning the titles you could have some good stuff. It would elevate the titles by making them all the more important and title matches on TNA would be main event worthy.</p><p> </p><p> The only thing would be the Knockout titles. Maybe have each group trying to convince a Knockout and the champion to wither join them or win the title in order to join them.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphadraighon Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 <p>Some important spoilers from the Wrestle-1 vs TNA event:</p><p> </p><p> <span style="color:#FFFFFF;">The BroMans regained the TNA World Tag Team titles in a three way match against the Wolves and “Team 246” (Kaz Hayashi & Shuji Kondo</span></p><p> </p><p> and</p><p> </p><p> <span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Seiya Sanada defeated Austin Aries for the TNA X Division Championship. (Expected, since Sanada has been rumored to be coming to TNA for a longer commitment.)</span></p><p> </p><p> Should be interesting to see how this effects things going forward, considering that current plans are that this PPV won't air in the US for at least a couple months yet.</p><p> </p><p> Full result from the show can be found here: <a href="http://keepingthespiritalive.tumblr.com/post/78306381177/wrestle-1-w-1-vs-tna-ryogoku-results-for-march-2" rel="external nofollow">http://keepingthespiritalive.tumblr.com/post/78306381177/wrestle-1-w-1-vs-tna-ryogoku-results-for-march-2</a></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UkWrestleFan Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TNAfan123" data-cite="TNAfan123" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I've honestly liked TNA more over the last 2-3 months more than I've liked wrestling of any kind in some time. The last 2-3 weeks have just been great though, so much that I've stayed away from spoilers.<p> </p><p> The build of new stars is going great in TNA and something WWE really needs to take note of, I actually care enough about the characters to watch and enjoy their matches, while I can't even watch WWE any more it's beyond boring.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> WWE are not building stars? Are you kidding? </p><p> </p><p> Roman Reigns, Seth Rolling, Dean Ambrose, Bray Wyatt, Luke Harper, Cesaro, Big E.</p><p> </p><p> They still have some slight issues with giving part-timers the spotlight over their new blood but thats what they think will earn them money. With the launch of the WWE Network, they'll no longer feel it necessary to use old stars to pull the ratings in.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TNAfan123" data-cite="TNAfan123" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The build of new stars is going great in TNA and something WWE really needs to take note of, I actually care enough about the characters to watch and enjoy their matches, while I can't even watch WWE any more it's beyond boring.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> There we have it ladies and gentlemen, a completely <em>objective</em> view on which company builds new stars the best - from a guy called <strong>TNAfan</strong>123... <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 So can somebody explain the tag title deal to me? I know what happened, I just want to know WHY? Yes TNA does things that make you scratch your head, but this is an entirely new level of illogical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 So can somebody explain the tag title deal to me? I know what happened, I just want to know WHY? Yes TNA does things that make you scratch your head, but this is an entirely new level of illogical WWE has done this before with Londrick and Cade & Murdoch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Changing them on a house show is one thing, but having a new team that you are pushing heavily win the titles on a non televised show is just plain dumb. They somehow made it even worse by having them drop the titles without even appearing on TV with them, and they lost it back to the joke of a team they won them from. In isolation the idea isn't bad, but based on how both teams were being presented both title changes made no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrows Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Changing them on a house show is one thing, but having a new team that you are pushing heavily win the titles on a non televised show is just plain dumb. They somehow made it even worse by having them drop the titles without even appearing on TV with them, and they lost it back to the joke of a team they won them from.<p> </p><p> In isolation the idea isn't bad, but based on how both teams were being presented both title changes made no sense.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> WWF did this all the time in the 90s. They check the crowd's reactions this way.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So can somebody explain the tag title deal to me? I know what happened, I just want to know WHY?<p> </p><p> Yes TNA does things that make you scratch your head, but this is an entirely new level of illogical</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It was a triple threat and add some heat and progression to a feud between the BroMans and The Wolves. The wolves are pretty new plus with Sanada coming to TNA it puts more importance to the TNA/Wrestle-1 alliance and the show itself.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arrows" data-cite="Arrows" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>WWF did this all the time in the 90s. They check the crowd's reactions this way.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The show was in Japan.</p><p> </p><p> Most of my confusion comes from basically all of the pretaped PPVs not even being canon before now and the PPV will air on weeks if not months of delay. That is essentially two title changes within a month that nobody will get to see</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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