Hyde Hill Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 <p>This might be a retread but still.</p><p> </p><p> What does everyone hope "They" is/are?</p><p> </p><p> What does everyone think "They" is/are?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20LEgend Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The one I'm following is OfficialWildCat which I got from another legit wrestler who posted it. I'm not sure who it was now, it was awhile ago. It could be fake though. It wouldn't be the first time a wrestler was duped by someone on the net.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That is the one that had 10/10/10 posted on 25 June</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hyde Hill" data-cite="Hyde Hill" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This might be a retread but still.<p> </p><p> What does everyone hope "They" is/are?</p><p> </p><p> What does everyone think "They" is/are?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Hope- Christopher Daniels, Father James Mitchell, Chris Harris and maybe someone else</p><p> </p><p> Think- Not sure...</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="20LEgend" data-cite="20LEgend" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That is the one that had 10/10/10 posted on 25 June</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh, well, then I just didn't go back far enough. I was thinking OP meant it was a recent tweet. So, my mistake <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alden Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 <p>I hope they are: mitchal, necro butcher *yeah right*, and mr. pogo *haha, not even sure he is still alive*</p><p> </p><p> Who i think they are: eric young, koshi, and two other randome jobbers. Yeah i know that is how tna has been lately. I love tna but i really don't know if they are going to pull off all the hype of who "they" are.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juggaloninjalee Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="alden" data-cite="alden" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I hope they are: mitchal, necro butcher *yeah right*, and mr. pogo *haha, not even sure he is still alive*<p> </p><p> Who i think they are: eric young, koshi, and two other randome jobbers. Yeah i know that is how tna has been lately. I love tna but i really don't know if they are going to pull off all the hype of who "they" are.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Isn't El Zorro one of the guys going to debut at BFG?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebsplex Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hyde Hill" data-cite="Hyde Hill" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This might be a retread but still.<p> </p><p> What does everyone hope "They" is/are?</p><p> </p><p> What does everyone think "They" is/are?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Not really sure what I 'hope' for now. The original 'Why Sting Why?' hasn't really gone anywhere since the first few Hogan-era Impacts. I'm not really sure why Joe cares either way and Jarrett looks a bit of a mug fighting for H&B's cause without them really backing him up. I'm intrigued, but not in a feverish excitement... more of a 'I hope TNA don't really screw this up' way.</p><p> </p><p> If Hogan and Bischoff turn out to be the heel element trying to take over TNA, then it's going to need to be some sort of major step away from being some form of NWO rehash to keep me watching. Seeing as H&B have pretty much had their way since being in charge, I don't really understand why they'd need to take over TNA... considering they were allowed to overwhelm the first show of the Monday Night non-war with the Nasty Boys, Bubba The Entertainment Vacuum, Waltman, Hall, etc.</p><p> </p><p> I guess the best cased scenario would be some new blood or originals based revolution, but then Fourtune are already pretty much that. I can't see anything involving 'fantasy' arrivals like Paul Heyman, Shane McMahon, etc and logically, if 'they' are going through Abyss, then it seems likely to be some sort of New Church/family/dark faction... James Mitchell, Christopher Daniels, Kevin Fertig, Judas Mesias etc.</p><p> </p><p> I suppose at a push they could be some sort of WWE Invasion stable (there's a fair bit of ex-WWE talent kicking about, Shelton Benjamin, Carlito, etc) or some other old TNA stable reunion... perhaps SEX, MEM or God forbid, the World Elite.</p><p> </p><p> But this is TNA, so who knows.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepy Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hyde Hill" data-cite="Hyde Hill" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This might be a retread but still.<p> </p><p> What does everyone hope "They" is/are?</p><p> </p><p> What does everyone think "They" is/are?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think and hope we're going to get a load of lurchadores all with a kind of occult, Flock-esque feel to it, probably with Bischoff pulling the strings sadly.</p><p> </p><p> Tbh, if they did go down the route of using this to debut the next generation of lurcha cross overs into the American mainstream that would be a pretty good payoff. Mysterio and Del Rey asside, there is a distinct lack of exciting lurchas in America compared to 10 years ago.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 If they brought in Mistico, Charly Manson, Cibernetico, El Mesias...I'd be pretty happy... Or maybe Averno or Mephisto... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Just thought about this, but I wish it was H&B backing Anderson and Angle getting frustrated that no one was supporting him and Sting & Nash get in his ear because they have history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoisonedSuperman Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Ricky Banderas even if he's playing the Judias character, Vampiro, Raven and Julio Dinero is who I hope it is! If not Julio then a masked Shelton Benjamin. But I don't want them to be the final answer to the stable I still want them to tease who the leader is, I hve no idea who I want to be the leader. NOT James Mitchell though, possible Alexis Laree/That Cuban guy that used to be on WWF named Estrada couple type thing? That would be awesome!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyde Hill Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Vampiro is a definite no no as long as Bisch is around. Bisch hates his guts. Still a AAA/lucha invasion as They is possible, just read someone post on facebook that Mistico is unhappy with CMLL if that is true he is a must sign imho. Dude would pay for himself with Merch and better Mexican tv and ppv deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapa42 Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hyde Hill" data-cite="Hyde Hill" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This might be a retread but still.<p> </p><p> What does everyone hope "They" is/are?</p><p> </p><p> What does everyone think "They" is/are?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Hope? I'm not even sure. I can't really think of anyone that would pay off quite enough to make the build seem worthwhile. Maybe a new "Outsiders/NWO" of former WWE guys like Batista, Benjamin etc, but I really don't think that would be TNA moving in the right direction anyway. A dark stable, whether its AAA guys or former TNA, wouldn't be the worst direction either. I would like that more than a replay of old WCW stuff...</p><p> </p><p> Think? Honestly, some take off of the NWO and old WCW storylines seems most likely. I just don't have faith in Hogan and Bischoff to move forward with new ideas. Redoing the old just seems to fit their approach...</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 The problem isn't just the execution. It's TNA using old ideas. I have no absolutely no idea why TNA fans would laud TNA management for doing any of this. It's always "3 steps forward, 2 steps backward" booking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyde Hill Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 <p>Everyone uses old ideas.</p><p> </p><p> And as we don't know who "They" are and what shape or form it is going to take it is kinda hard to judge that it is "just" a "rehash".</p><p> </p><p> Hogan/Sting dynamic yeah that is but not to address their past would have been weird as well. They have gone too far with it though for my tastes.</p><p> </p><p> And is anyone lauding? We can only judge that once there is pay-off. So far I am around 50/50 on the good and bad balance of the Hogan and Bisch regime. If "They" flops in my eyes it would put them in the negative.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liontamer Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 <p>Despite all of the negative talk, I'm still enjoying TNA just fine and for the most part think it has been slowly getting better. I'm also much more interested in the main 'they' storyline than anything I've seen in WWE recently.</p><p> </p><p> The single best move I think they've made was in getting reaction (even though I don't particularly care for so many interviews). It's not just an extra hour of TV, but the way they are using it now allows them to go over or have a three hour special pretty much whenever they want, in fact I would think they'd be encouraged to do so by the ratings. It allows them to gradually grow into the extra hour of the time slot (speaking of which is there a way to do this in TEW 10? if not might be a nice addition to any possible future editions-I'd check, but my computer has been dead for a few months, still in the process of building a new one).</p><p> </p><p> I hope they is not the nWo again, or 'the shore' which is conveniently coming just before 10/10/10. The mexican lucha thing is interesting, but I have no idea why a monster character like abyss would yield to abunch of much smaller wrestlers unless there were some other large ones mixed in (speaking of which, where's Hernandez been?). </p><p> </p><p> Also, do we have any ideas what tessmacher's role in all of this is?</p><p> </p><p> A cult/flock like stable makes the most since, but I'm hoping it's not lead by Raven again, been done too many times. If it is lead by him, I hope they turn on him immediately so they cane be their own group- also gives raven something to whine about, which is his strength.</p><p> </p><p> They could also be an MMA stable to cross advertise TNA and UFC, but why would they want abyss? Could be an originals stable, but as others pointed out they have that in fortune, and a bunch or originals coming back that didn't already have issue with RVD, Hogan, and Hardy etc wouldn't make sense.</p><p> </p><p> I don't really know who it's going to be the cult stable would make the most sense, followed by a UFC stable (but I would think UFC wouldn't want that) or originals. Another unlikely possibility would be, given all of the WCW references lately, that they are somehow getting Turner back into wrestling to genereate some buzz.</p><p> </p><p> also do we have any idea what tessmacher's role in all of this is, per the sting/nash/pope thing a few weeks ago.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hyde Hill" data-cite="Hyde Hill" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Everyone uses old ideas.<p> </p><p> And as we don't know who "They" are and what shape or form it is going to take it is kinda hard to judge that it is "just" a "rehash".</p><p> </p><p> Hogan/Sting dynamic yeah that is but not to address their past would have been weird as well. They have gone too far with it though for my tastes.</p><p> </p><p> And is anyone lauding? We can only judge that once there is pay-off. So far I am around 50/50 on the good and bad balance of the Hogan and Bisch regime. If "They" flops in my eyes it would put them in the negative.</p></div></blockquote><p> Everyone uses old ideas. Yes. But TNA had a good thing going focuses on a more modern-style product that had.... HAS.... a better chance of something different from WWE. I sometimes hear from TNA fans: "this isn't wrestling, this is SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT". Not all of them say this (or agree), but that aggravates me. If TNA's goal is to be ECW, WCW, or WWE, it's never going to get anywhere. Trying to be something it can't won't work. </p><p> </p><p> TNA has potential, it's just extremely mismanaged.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapa42 Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hyde Hill" data-cite="Hyde Hill" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Everyone uses old ideas.<p> </p><p> And as we don't know who "They" are and what shape or form it is going to take it is kinda hard to judge that it is "just" a "rehash".</p><p> </p><p> Hogan/Sting dynamic yeah that is but not to address their past would have been weird as well. They have gone too far with it though for my tastes.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Using old ideas is fine. But at least make them seem fresh in some way. That's where TNA is failing. </p><p> </p><p> Take Fortune. I love stables, and the idea of some arrogant young (youngish) heels teaming up is good. Led by Ric Flair is even better. But seemingly going out of your way to try to engender comparisons to the Four Horsemen for the first while... Not good. Worse is turning Fortune-vs-EV2 into a Flair-vs-Foley feud. Any chance of Fortune coming across as fresh was killed right off the bat when they started flashing the Four Horsemen hand sign. </p><p> </p><p> I don't really have expectations for TNA - or any promotion - to be completely innovative and unique when it comes to storylines. I just don't want to feel like they are overtly emulating what's already been done. And TNA has that feel to me since Hogan and Bischoff took over. I got a bad feeling, especially when they redid Montreal, and that feeling hasn't really left. The Main Event Mafia went on too long and built no new stars, but at least it didn't feel like they were intentionally redoing old storylines...</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyde Hill Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Everyone uses old ideas. Yes. But TNA had a good thing going focuses on a more modern-style product that had.... HAS.... a better chance of something different from WWE. I sometimes hear from TNA fans: "this isn't wrestling, this is SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT". Not all of them say this (or agree), but that aggravates me. If TNA's goal is to be ECW, WCW, or WWE, it's never going to get anywhere. Trying to be something it can't won't work. <p> </p><p> TNA has potential, it's just extremely mismanaged.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Ok if you put it like that I semi-agree. Just gotten sick of the TNA steels ideas, TNA just rehashes bs you see in a lot of other places.</p><p> </p><p> In TEW terms TNA definitely has Mainstream set to key just as the E and their goal is to become mainstream. TNA just differ too much on what they put as heavy and medium, with many TNA supporters wanting that being modern.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liontamer Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 (possible 10/10/10/THEY spoiler below) Interesting note on 'they'. There was a suggestion a while ago that Dixie's parents/panda are coming in to take over..... I'm not sure if it went any futher, but I just read that her parents are Bob and Janice Carter.....and that her father would be the person abyss referred to in stating that behind every good woman is a good man........coincidence? Also, now that I think about it, all of the people THEY are after are people that Hulk and EB brought in, which could actually make sense then to be blended with the theory regarding the originals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stennick Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 I am so sick of the word "originals" and "homegrown" it makes me sick. Isn't that what the MEM feud was about? Wasn't THAT feud supposed to take the "origionals" and finally make them stars so we wouldn't have this stupid "origionals vs. whatever" storyline anymore Wasn't Daniels vs. AJ vs. Joe main eventing Unbreakable supposed to do just that? I mean seriously I've had enough. AJ is like a milliion time TNA chamion. Every single booker TNA has ever had has put the title on AJ, ever television station and every year they have been around AJ has been world champion. Joe has beaten guys like Kurt Angle and other big names. Christopher Daniels has been in the main event scene for years now feuding with AJ, Joe and whoever else. I'm so sick of this TNA originals talk and if THEY winds up just being another Old guys vs. TNA guys I'll be done with TNA for good. Why in the world would you want to BRAG that your TNA guys are being held down? Its like when WCW started doing their old guys vs. not as old guys storyline. Why would you come out on national t.v and say 'this company is holding me back' that just seems so rehashed. I have been hearing the world "new blood, orginals, new stars, young stars" etc since like 1997 when the WWE brought in their "new generation" or whenever that was. Seriously if its guys like Hogan, Sting, Nash, Bischoff, etc versus guys like Daniels, Monty Brown (I know but bear with me) and whatever other "originals" they can dig up what would be the difference between that and the Main Event Mafia storyline? Wouldn't that have been young vs. old, known vs. unknown, famous vs. not famous, accomplished versus not accomplished? I'm sick of this storyline that has been running since about 1998 in some form or another in one company or another. Do something new for gods sake other than every week treating AJ Styles like he's some young upstart and the same with Daniels and Joe. These guys have been bonifide main eventers for five years now and yet at times TNA just moves them into stupid back burner feuds. While I'm ranting why isn't Jay Lethal vs. AJ Styles headlining pay per views right now? Seriously that guy was WHITE hot during his feud with Flair. He was one of if not the most over face they had. They were doing everything right with him, now he's fueding with Kaz over the X Division title. We've seen Lethal in the X Division, you had him feud with the biggest wrestling star on the last 30 years not named Hogan just so you could feud him with KAZ? Lethal gave them evertyhing they needed for him to be a main eventer. Great in ring work, fantastic mic work, a great character, crowd reaction and an interesting storyline that had the fans eating out of the palm of his hand and yet he did all that so he could feud with Kaz? That in my opinion is just mind blowingly stupid. I would have had AJ vs. Jay Lethal for the TNA Title at Bound for Glory, I would have had AJ beat Anderson, I would have had him beat RVD, beat every "WWE star" they could throw at him and then finally have a match with Flair in which he's just brutally beaten and bloodied leading to AJ vs. Lethal at Bound for Glory. Flair does a run in and bleeds all over and Lethal gets the title. Would have been a HUGE moment for TNA and the first time since AJ Styles they have completely created a new star on their own. Daniels and Joe were already huge names on the indy circuit when they came to TNA but Jay was just some lower mid card guy in ROH certainly nowhere near the indy level that Daniels and Joe were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eayragt Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 You know why I hate TNA talk about originals? Homicide. A true TNA original. Never used as such (at least not that I saw). I was crying out for him to challenge Sting for the title during the MEM. It didn't have to be a PPV - it could have headlined a TV show. And he'd have never won. But no. He went on to join to World Elite and prove that he can't escape a domed cage with a hole in the top. Boo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyde Hill Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 That last part was his own fault to eaygrat. On Stennick's point yeah I agree that is why in the end I move towards "Originals" vs "Originals" and both trying to dominate the company. No more holding down talk but we rule talk. Also note that I always put "Originals" in parenthesis as it is really in the eye of the beholder. To me Angle is as much TNA as E now for instance. So to an extant was Christian Cage. Morgan and D'Inero definitely so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 That last part was his own fault to eaygrat. On Stennick's point yeah I agree that is why in the end I move towards "Originals" vs "Originals" and both trying to dominate the company. No more holding down talk but we rule talk. Also note that I always put "Originals" in parenthesis as it is really in the eye of the beholder. To me Angle is as much TNA as E now for instance. So to an extant was Christian Cage. Morgan and D'Inero definitely so. Only to you, Hyde. Only to you. ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unregistered Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 You know why I hate TNA talk about originals? Homicide. A true TNA original. Never used as such (at least not that I saw). I was crying out for him to challenge Sting for the title during the MEM. It didn't have to be a PPV - it could have headlined a TV show. And he'd have never won. But no. He went on to join to World Elite and prove that he can't escape a domed cage with a hole in the top. Boo. How was Homicde a True TNA Original? Honest question, because he didn't join TNA until quite some time after TNA opened. Heck, I believe Sting was there before Homi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyde Hill Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Only to you, Hyde. Only to you. ... I know I know hehe:p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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