The Shape Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Despite what I said about Mir before, man do I love hearing that man talk. Now it's main event time...every Jones fight feels like such an event in itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damonster Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 0/4 so far with my predictions, better not be 0/5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shape Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 "It's my destiny to be champion for many years." Jones is the ultimate heel. I hope he's right. I think I want to see him fight Rashad more than any other fight out there right now. Liking Machida's music though xD (and then Jones comes out to Beautiful People...amazing. So casual) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shape Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 OH. MY. GOD. Jones just dropping Machida to the floor is the single coolest thing I have seen so far in this sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Like I said before, he's the real deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldStingberg Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Jones's reach is all fine and dandy for his striking, but how about for his chokes? This is the third time he's put someone away with one of those freaky power guillotines of his: O'Brien, Bader, and Machida. I think Jones is probably the #1 P4P fighter in the world right now. If he cruises through Rashad, there will be no doubt in my mind. And the dude is only 24 years old. Incredible. His legacy in this sport will be as big as he wants it to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Jones's reach is all fine and dandy for his striking, but how about for his chokes? This is the third time he's put someone away with one of those freaky power guillotines of his: O'Brien, Bader, and Machida. I think Jones is probably the #1 P4P fighter in the world right now. If he cruises through Rashad, there will be no doubt in my mind. And the dude is only 24 years old. Incredible. His legacy in this sport will be as big as he wants it to be. He has a good case, but if he beats Rashad, then he is definitely the P4P fighter in the world, because he's beat almost all contenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldStingberg Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 It's not so much that. There will always be contenders. It's more of how there's seemingly no weaknesses. How do you beat Jones? Elite muay thai couldn't come close, elite MMA boxing was never a threat, elite karate managed all of a couple good punches before getting dropped and choked out. In my opinion, he's like GSP. His wrestling is good enough to determine where he wants the fight to take place, and while there may be fighters out there better than him in either striking or jiu-jitsu, there's no one out there that's better in both. If Rashad's wrestling isn't good enough to keep him out of that conundrum, who else would, could, have more than a puncher's chance? Jones will just take down any striker and stand and trade with any grappler. Just like the only fighter blueprint to beat GSP is to essentially be a better GSP, that's where it looks like Jones is heading, if he's not already there. So yeah, I think Jones is like GSP, except Jones has more power and better chokes. That's pretty scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 I pretty much agree there. I still think the "chin test" might later become an issue, but as it stands, I don't think there's any currently able to beat him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoNdOn Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Great win for Mir, although I almost vomitted when I saw Nogueira's arm break. When Jones missed the vast majority of his strikes in the first round and Lyoto landing a couple of his own, I thought to myself, "huh, maybe I overlooked Machida". However when Jones got in close and took the Dragon down I thought, "ah, that's what I expected to see". When Jones had the McKenzitine locked in and Machida's arm dropped I was pretty amazed. It was the moment Jones kind of looked down at Machida when he had been in the choke for a while as if to say, "I think you're done" then when he released the hold and Machida flopped to the floor like a sack of old washing, I could just hear Jones saying to himself, "yeah, you're done son". Very, very cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Now, I don't dislike Jones at all, but I think he was a bit cocky coming into this fight. He claims he was "confused" in the first round, but I could tell he was bit too cocksure of himself and gave the first round to Machida. When he began to uncork a little bit on Machida, though, it was pretty much the end for Machida. Machida's not used to getting hit, and he doesn't like it. It's not that he has a weak chin or poor striking defense, but he literally doesn't respond well to it. It also seems, once he gets sucked into his opponent's fight, it's the beginning of the end for him. He seems to be only able to fight one style. Effective as it is, if he is unable to implement it, he's got little else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Zombie/Hominick was a good stoppage, because Hominick was clearly out. That kimura looked sick. Jones finishing Machida was almost as sick but in a totally different way. Also, there is a very strong rumour going around that Overeem is out of the Lesnar fight and Mir is taking his place. Whatever it is, it's apparently to do with the pre-fight testing, but it's rather hush-hush at the moment. This was a great UFC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damonster Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 UFC coming back to Montreal sometime during March or April, with Rory McDonald fighting Che Mills, which has me to think, wtf was Joe Silva thinking when he offered this fight & how about McDonald line of thought. McDonald will destroy Mills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Forgot to mention the creation of a four man tournament to crown a Flyweight (125lbs) Champion on the March 3rd card in Australia, which is currently an FX event. The participants are: Ian McCall vs. Demetrious Johnson Yasuhiro Urushitani vs. Joseph Benavidez The winners face off at a late date. The one thing worth pointing out after the Mir/Big Nog fight, is that Mir was getting clobbered in stand-up before pulling out the kimura, so whilst this highlights his submission skill, I would still heavily favour Lesnar if they fight again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shape Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 More tiny people...I really couldn't care less about flyweights. I already get slightly annoyed sometimes by bantamweights, especially Cruz with his pitter patter, and 125lbs is just a weight where I don't think I give a crap who can beat the other up. Still I'm sure there'll be some crazy stuff to change my mind, but on a base level I care a lot less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldStingberg Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Now, I don't dislike Jones at all, but I think he was a bit cocky coming into this fight. He claims he was "confused" in the first round, but I could tell he was bit too cocksure of himself and gave the first round to Machida. When he began to uncork a little bit on Machida, though, it was pretty much the end for Machida. I don't think any fighter have ever had more people play amateur psychologist on him than Jones has. It's crazy. Even Rogan last night was trying to sell how tentative Jones was in the second, even while Jones was throwing head kicks and spinning back kicks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldStingberg Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 More tiny people...I really couldn't care less about flyweights. I already get slightly annoyed sometimes by bantamweights, especially Cruz with his pitter patter, and 125lbs is just a weight where I don't think I give a crap who can beat the other up. Still I'm sure there'll be some crazy stuff to change my mind, but on a base level I care a lot less. I think that's odd. The best organization in terms of fight quality these last five years has undoubtedly been the WEC, and there wasn't a single guy above 155 pounds there. The little guys with their incredible speed and seemingly unlimited cardio almost always deliver. The more little guys the UFC has the better. Especially considering that since there's not many sports for smaller guys to compete in professionally, that means the UFC can really get top-tier athletes, and not simply the guys who weren't good enough to play football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 I agree. All best athletes that can't play football, basketball, or even soccer because they are small, will have a place in the UFC. Besides, I've noticed that, smaller guys seem to be able to maintain themselves better than big guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damonster Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 I think that's odd. The best organization in terms of fight quality these last five years has undoubtedly been the WEC, and there wasn't a single guy above 155 pounds there. The little guys with their incredible speed and seemingly unlimited cardio almost always deliver. The more little guys the UFC has the better. Especially considering that since there's not many sports for smaller guys to compete in professionally, that means the UFC can really get top-tier athletes, and not simply the guys who weren't good enough to play football. hockey. midget wrestling. can be used as the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted December 12, 2011 Author Share Posted December 12, 2011 I think that's odd. The best organization in terms of fight quality these last five years has undoubtedly been the WEC, and there wasn't a single guy above 155 pounds there. Ahh, the good ol' days of the WEC, when Chael Sonnen, Carlos Condit and Brian Stann were lightweights. Damn those guys got fat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Ahh, the good ol' days of the WEC, when Chael Sonnen, Carlos Condit and Brian Stann were lightweights. Damn those guys got fat. Heh, I think he's referring to when they took away the heavy weight classes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesterx7769 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Great UFC card overall with some intense endings. You had the (tied) fastest KO in UFC history, Tito losing via "broken" ribs, Mir beating Nog via broken arm, and Jones putting Machida to sleep and dropping his ass. Very intense and good night overall. REALLY looking forward to Rashad/Jones as I just don't see how in the heck Davis would beat Jones. Also, I don't give a crap about 125, sorry. Big MMA fan and watch Bellator, DREAM, XFC, whatever's on HDNET but I just dont care about a big enough difference from 125-145. I cant take you seriously as a "worlds top fighter" when there are 7 other divisions who would beat you clearly on size alone (hence the major reason HW's draw so well and Cruz is always go main event). Also I would like to see them build some more 135 and 145 depth first as those divisions don't have many top contenders right now. Also while people make the midget jokes this will get dangerously close to reality. A midget is 4'10 or under, and youre going to have 5'0 guys fighting which is very close to literal midget fighting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damonster Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Just realized the official and unofficial records for fastest ko have come against Canadian, goulet, Hague and hominick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shape Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Also, I don't give a crap about 125, sorry. Big MMA fan and watch Bellator, DREAM, XFC, whatever's on HDNET but I just dont care about a big enough difference from 125-145. I cant take you seriously as a "worlds top fighter" when there are 7 other divisions who would beat you clearly on size alone (hence the major reason HW's draw so well and Cruz is always go main event). Also I would like to see them build some more 135 and 145 depth first as those divisions don't have many top contenders right now. Also while people make the midget jokes this will get dangerously close to reality. A midget is 4'10 or under, and youre going to have 5'0 guys fighting which is very close to literal midget fighting. Exactly. Don't care how talented they are, at some point it begins to feel like a freak show. I remember watching Antonio Banuelos and feeling genuinely uncomfortable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Exactly. Don't care how talented they are, at some point it begins to feel like a freak show. I remember watching Antonio Banuelos and feeling genuinely uncomfortable. Here's the issue, though. We have tons of talented athletes that can't get into football, baseball, soccer, or basketball because they are too small. Why not put them into good use? By the way, I don't care how much they weigh, as long as they have good fights. At the end of the day, that's what matters. Not their weight, but if they can fight. And if they can, who cares how weigh? A fight is a fight is a fight. They punch people, choke people out, and take people down. Doesn't really matter if they weight 125 or 265 as long as they can fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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