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Well, it is the East, so Chicago might be higher than 8th. But I do agree they will be in the bottom half of the playoff teams.

 

The east as a whole was a lot better last season. I personally can't see Chicago finishing higher than 6th (Cleveland, Boston, Toronto, Detroit and Indy will no doubt all be better than Chicago) and i'd put Charlotte above them too but maybe I'm just biased there.

 

I'd put Chicago in the same group as New York, Atlanta, Washington and maybe Milwaukee as teams that should challenge for the final couple of playoff spots

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I will have to see if Chicago learns how to shoot between now and the beginning of the season. Looking forward to Golden State. There's no way they win 70+ games again this year though.

 

Not at all, Durant and Zaza have to adjust to diferent teammates, plus the numbers for Curry and Durant will be considerably decreased as they will share control of the offense (With Thompson and Green as well), so there's definitely an advantage for a few teams there. And this means that Curry will probably not get a three-peat on the MVP award. I'm thinking Westbrook takes it.

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Smasher1311" data-cite="Smasher1311" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Not at all, Durant and Zaza have to adjust to diferent teammates, plus the numbers for Curry and Durant will be considerably decreased as they will share control of the offense (With Thompson and Green as well), so there's definitely an advantage for a few teams there. And this means that Curry will probably not get a three-peat on the MVP award. I'm thinking Westbrook takes it.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think Curry's assists will go up but his point production will take a major hit. There is just too many weapons on that team for him to even consider shooting the ball at this point.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="K-Nection" data-cite="K-Nection" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think Curry's assists will go up but his point production will take a major hit. There is just too many weapons on that team for him to even consider shooting the ball at this point.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They will probably go up a little but I don't think they'll go up dramatically as Draymond Green is their main facilitator</p><p> </p><p> Who is everybodys dark horse pick for success? Not necessarily winning it all but a surprise playoff team?</p><p> </p><p> My biased pick would be Charlotte for a better than first round exit playoff run. Otherwise, the Jazz have potential to be a very good team out west</p>
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I think Curry's assists will go up but his point production will take a major hit. There is just too many weapons on that team for him to even consider shooting the ball at this point.

 

"Even consider shooting the ball?" You know he broke his own record for most made three pointers in a season while finishing second in percentage, right?

 

They will probably go up a little but I don't think they'll go up dramatically as Draymond Green is their main facilitator]

 

Who is everybodys dark horse pick for success? Not necessarily winning it all but a surprise playoff team?

 

My biased pick would be Charlotte for a better than first round exit playoff run. Otherwise, the Jazz have potential to be a very good team out west

 

The Jazz and Timberwolves seem like the obvious dark horses, as both have young players getting better and Minnesota made a massive coaching upgrade. I think Orlando could definitely surprise people by jumping into the playoff picture, although I don't think they have the overall talent to do much once they get there.

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They will probably go up a little but I don't think they'll go up dramatically as Draymond Green is their main facilitator

 

Who is everybodys dark horse pick for success? Not necessarily winning it all but a surprise playoff team?

 

My biased pick would be Charlotte for a better than first round exit playoff run. Otherwise, the Jazz have potential to be a very good team out west

 

As I said, the Raptors, all the way to the Finals (Not a win, but they will get there). Lowry and DeRozan are a very productive duo and Valanciunas keeps improving. He could soon be a top 5 Center in the league (I might be biased though. :p)

 

Lowry was inconsistent in the Playoffs, but they did give Cleveland one hell of a fight, and I'm sure that they will be the team to beat LeBron at last this season. Either them or Boston. But Boston isn't a darkhorse for the finals in my mind.

 

I also think that the Timberwolves will make a run for the 8th seed this season, with KAT, Wiggins, LaVine, Kris Dunn and company being coached by Thibs, it's very possible indeed. I don't see them winning in the Playoffs, especially if they do get the 8th seed (Which would very likely place them against Golden State), but it will be a nice experience for Towns and the other rookies.

 

The Jazz and Timberwolves seem like the obvious dark horses, as both have young players getting better and Minnesota made a massive coaching upgrade. I think Orlando could definitely surprise people by jumping into the playoff picture, although I don't think they have the overall talent to do much once they get there.

 

Orlando has the best frontcourt in the league, pretty much. Vucevic, Ibaka, Biyombo, Gordon (When he develops)...they will get more wins and hold some teams to some scary low scoring, that's for sure, but I'll bet on the 17-18 season for the Playoff run.

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>"Even consider shooting the ball?" You know he broke his own record for most made three pointers in a season while finishing second in percentage, right? <p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah but he isn't a selfish player by nature. The man only shoots when he is open. Since he has so many options the ball won't make it back around to him very often. Will he make open 3's....yes will he get many opportunities...probably not.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Smasher1311" data-cite="Smasher1311" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Orlando has the best frontcourt in the league, pretty much. Vucevic, Ibaka, Biyombo, Gordon (When he develops)...they will get more wins and hold some teams to some scary low scoring, that's for sure, but I'll bet on the 17-18 season for the Playoff run.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I wouldn't go as far as the best frontcourt...most underrated perhaps? Vucevic is a beast for sure. I personally don't see how Gordon fits into this team though.</p><p> </p><p> Also, don't forget Frank Vogel is a huge upgrade at coach over Skiles who never should've been hired in the first place</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="K-Nection" data-cite="K-Nection" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah but he isn't a selfish player by nature. The man only shoots when he is open. Since he has so many options the ball won't make it back around to him very often. Will he make open 3's....yes will he get many opportunities...probably not.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I respectfully disagree (not that Curry isn't selfish. He is actually a very underrated passer and a lot of people say he is just a good shooter and nothing else which couldn't be further from the truth.) But he constantly takes shots when he isn't open due to his very good ball handling skills that get him a split second of opportunity. His shots are definitely gonna go down but like I mentioned earlier, Draymond Green is their facilitator and there will be times when Durant or Klay heat up and Curry will get chances to shoot</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="thecoolestjedi12" data-cite="thecoolestjedi12" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The Timberwolves are a really exciting team to watch, I'm hoping they can make some noise this season with the young pieces they have.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Agreed. I think the biggest thing for them is how they react to Thibs coaching style. Thibs is famously known for being a hard coach. Pushes his players to the limit in practice and games. Luckily, I believe Karl-Anthony Towns and Wiggins are both up to the task. I don't know much about Kris Dunn but I know that he was considered a steal at 6th where Minny drafted him.</p>
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We have beaten the Golden State Larriors two times in a row and are back to .500 for the first time in years. We can sure as hell beat the Suns so I guess we'll end up with a winning record for the first time in years after tonight as well.

 


I think it's safe to say that the Los Angeles Wakers will be making the playoffs this season.

 


Yes, I'm being sarcastic. But we won't be dead last in the West.

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<p>Well, we're a couple of weeks into the season already. Can someone please rescue Anthony Davis from the worst guards in the NBA? The Warriors are starting to roll into shape after some really bad laziness on defense early on.</p><p> </p><p>

Harden and the Rockets are fun again now that Dwight is gone; Harden's performance against the Spurs was nuts.</p><p> </p><p>

It remains to be seen if the Hornets have actually made a leap or if they just got a hot start, but they're looking solid.</p><p> </p><p>

Not liking what I've seen from D. Rose, but Carmelo and Porzingis are looking good early.</p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well, we're a couple of weeks into the season already. Can someone please rescue Anthony Davis from the worst guards in the NBA? The Warriors are starting to roll into shape after some really bad laziness on defense early on.<p> </p><p> Harden and the Rockets are fun again now that Dwight is gone; Harden's performance against the Spurs was nuts.</p><p> </p><p> It remains to be seen if the Hornets have actually made a leap or if they just got a hot start, but they're looking solid.</p><p> </p><p> Not liking what I've seen from D. Rose, but Carmelo and Porzingis are looking good early.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The Pelicans have been one of the unluckiest teams in the whole NBA in terms of injuries. They have good guards; Jrue Holiday is great and Tim Frazier has been a solid addition. The problem with them is the coaching. The Pelicans go waaaaaay too long in games where Davis doesn't even get to touch the ball. That's insane. It's like the 93-94 Rockets ignoring Olajuwon. You have one of the best all-round players in recent memory and you ignore him on offense? Gentry needs to go...</p><p> </p><p> I am a massive Hornets fan and this has been an incredible start to the season. Steve Clifford has got them playing fantastic defense and the offense is steadily climbing. I don't think they'll finish top in the East but there is no reason why they shouldn't win their division and get a top four seed, possibly even third ahead of Boston</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Ayden" data-cite="Ayden" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The Pelicans have been one of the unluckiest teams in the whole NBA in terms of injuries. They have good guards; Jrue Holiday is great and Tim Frazier has been a solid addition. The problem with them is the coaching. The Pelicans go waaaaaay too long in games where Davis doesn't even get to touch the ball. That's insane. It's like the 93-94 Rockets ignoring Olajuwon. You have one of the best all-round players in recent memory and you ignore him on offense? Gentry needs to go...</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I've watch "The Brow" since he has played for Kentucky (as brief as that run was) and it was obvious then he was in a league of his own. Dude can go if given the chance. He is their franchise and should be given more of an opportunity to lead.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="K-Nection" data-cite="K-Nection" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I've watch "The Brow" since he has played for Kentucky (as brief as that run was) and it was obvious then he was in a league of his own. Dude can go if given the chance. He is their franchise and should be given more of an opportunity to lead.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yup. 100% agree. The problem is Gentry allows these ball-stopping guards to take shots away from him. I love what Tim Frazier has come in and done but he shouldn't be taking away from Davis. He should be allowed to go ham when Davis rests or taking shots when Davis is double-teamed. </p><p> </p><p> Gentry is gonna cost the Pels a franchise player because he is an idiot who can't coach and that is frustrating as hell!</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Ayden" data-cite="Ayden" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The Pelicans have been one of the unluckiest teams in the whole NBA in terms of injuries. They have good guards; Jrue Holiday is great and Tim Frazier has been a solid addition. The problem with them is the coaching. The Pelicans go waaaaaay too long in games where Davis doesn't even get to touch the ball. That's insane. It's like the 93-94 Rockets ignoring Olajuwon. You have one of the best all-round players in recent memory and you ignore him on offense? Gentry needs to go...<p> </p><p> I am a massive Hornets fan and this has been an incredible start to the season. Steve Clifford has got them playing fantastic defense and the offense is steadily climbing. I don't think they'll finish top in the East but there is no reason why they shouldn't win their division and get a top four seed, possibly even third ahead of Boston</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Obviously I'm talking about the guards that are actually suiting up: who could forget Buddy Hield, Archie Goodwin, or Langston Galloway? Or the ghost of Lance Stephenson?</p><p> </p><p> I don't think the Evans/Jrue team is anything special the 20 games a year when their limbs aren't falling off their joints, but the depth behind them is totally abysmal.</p>
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<p>Buddy Hield is a rookie and still adjusting to the game. The others I see your point though and agree. Their depth is pretty horrendous.</p><p> </p><p>

The Jrue Holiday/Anthony Davis pick n roll is a thing of beauty. I like Tyreke Evans but he doesn't fit with the Pels as he takes too many shots away from AD.</p>

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<p>DeRozan is playing like a madman right now. I may just have to eat my words. Toronto is gonna come out on top in the east just under Cleveland, they gave them a tough match-up last night despite coming up short.</p><p> </p><p>

Also glad to see the Bulls gelling well together, they routed Portland without Rondo which to me shows incredible promise. They have roleplayers shooting the lights out and Wade showing proper leadership, Butler being Butler.</p><p> </p><p>

I just wish the Knicks were doing better, still looks like more cohesion is needed.</p>

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<p>I think what Walton has done at LA is something to be admired, a lot of their cast from last year is having career seasons and we have went from 2nd last to potential playoff contention.</p><p> </p><p>

The signing of Deng was terrible though, i never liked him even when he was good in Chicago and that was ages ago. Since moving to Miami he was basically a liability and we went out to give him a 4 year deal, he is our highest paid player now and he is nowhere near one of the best. I would argue he does not even deserve to start, let alone be the highest paid player. Mosgov was another weird move, giving him 16m a year at his age, considering he is basically a backup type or peripheral starter at best, seems to be a dubious move. If i was the Lakers i would look to offload both as soon as possible because they could cost us a potential super star in the future as we will likely lack cap space to sign them. The minimum they will create is the lack of flexibility to resign our own top talent, so i hope we offload soon.</p><p> </p><p>

I think D.Antoni has done a fantastic job in making Houston an entertaining team, but most impressive is how he has fully shown the potential of Harden after an average year last year. I like him a lot as a creating/scoring PG. </p><p> </p><p>

I think Gianis Antetokotumbo (probably spent wrong), has the potential to become the best player in the league. All he really needs is a jumper because he can run the break, attack the rim, block, rebound, pass, steal. He is a versatile player which can potentially play every single position on the court. </p><p> </p><p>

Davis is having a beast type season, i agree with what was mentioned here though, i think that although he is taking loads of shots, he should be taking more because their team sucks balls. Especially at the start of the year when the Pels had those injuries i think i have never seen such a poor supporting cast surrounding 1 lone super star. I think Davis could need to move to reach his potential.</p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Capelli King" data-cite="Capelli King" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think what Walton has done at LA is something to be admired, a lot of their cast from last year is having career seasons and we have went from 2nd last to potential playoff contention.<p> </p><p> The signing of Deng was terrible though, i never liked him even when he was good in Chicago and that was ages ago. Since moving to Miami he was basically a liability and we went out to give him a 4 year deal, he is our highest paid player now and he is nowhere near one of the best. I would argue he does not even deserve to start, let alone be the highest paid player. Mosgov was another weird move, giving him 16m a year at his age, considering he is basically a backup type or peripheral starter at best, seems to be a dubious move. If i was the Lakers i would look to offload both as soon as possible because they could cost us a potential super star in the future as we will likely lack cap space to sign them. The minimum they will create is the lack of flexibility to resign our own top talent, so i hope we offload soon.</p><p> </p><p> I think D.Antoni has done a fantastic job in making Houston an entertaining team, but most impressive is how he has fully shown the potential of Harden after an average year last year. I like him a lot as a creating/scoring PG. </p><p> </p><p> I think Gianis Antetokotumbo (probably spent wrong), has the potential to become the best player in the league. All he really needs is a jumper because he can run the break, attack the rim, block, rebound, pass, steal. He is a versatile player which can potentially play every single position on the court. </p><p> </p><p> Davis is having a beast type season, i agree with what was mentioned here though, i think that although he is taking loads of shots, he should be taking more because their team sucks balls. Especially at the start of the year when the Pels had those injuries i think i have never seen such a poor supporting cast surrounding 1 lone super star. I think Davis could need to move to reach his potential.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> So far Luke Walton is my favourite for coach of the year. If he gets the Lakers to the playoffs he absolutely has to win it.</p><p> </p><p> I liked the signings of Deng and Mozgov but not the length or amount. I would've given them one year with an option for a second although the cap is going up again next season so Im sure the Lakers will be fine financially.</p><p> </p><p> Harden has been godly so far and the move by D'Antoni was genius. They need better production on the defensive end if they're to be a real threat though</p><p> </p><p> Agreed on Antetokounmpo (I have him in my fantasy team so I see his name a lot and I'm not even confident I got it right.)If he could hit even 30% of his 3s, he would be in the discussion of best in the league. If he gets the Bucks to the playoffs he also needs to be in the MVP discussion.</p><p> </p><p> While I agree mostly about the Pels, if Davis takes more shots, taking his teammates out of the equation, then defenses can just focus in on him. They've been playing a lot better since Jrue came back and I've said many times that Jrue/AD pick n roll is amongst the best in the league. I think they need to move Evans though. He is too much of a ballstopper that ruins the Pels momentum. I would try move him for a defensive center who can rebound. Someone like Nerlens Noel or Marcin Gortat would help take the pressure off AD</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Ayden" data-cite="Ayden" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So far Luke Walton is my favourite for coach of the year. If he gets the Lakers to the playoffs he absolutely has to win it.<p> </p><p> I liked the signings of Deng and Mozgov but not the length or amount. I would've given them one year with an option for a second although the cap is going up again next season so Im sure the Lakers will be fine financially.</p><p> </p><p> Harden has been godly so far and the move by D'Antoni was genius. They need better production on the defensive end if they're to be a real threat though</p><p> </p><p> Agreed on Antetokounmpo (I have him in my fantasy team so I see his name a lot and I'm not even confident I got it right.)If he could hit even 30% of his 3s, he would be in the discussion of best in the league. If he gets the Bucks to the playoffs he also needs to be in the MVP discussion.</p><p> </p><p> While I agree mostly about the Pels, if Davis takes more shots, taking his teammates out of the equation, then defenses can just focus in on him. They've been playing a lot better since Jrue came back and I've said many times that Jrue/AD pick n roll is amongst the best in the league. I think they need to move Evans though. He is too much of a ballstopper that ruins the Pels momentum. I would try move him for a defensive center who can rebound. Someone like Nerlens Noel or Marcin Gortat would help take the pressure off AD</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yes, Luke has done a fantastic job indeed, we just need to shake off the rust after the shit ton of injuries that we had. That was a very winnable game against the Knicks last night...but as always, a guard...well, this time, two guards had a field day against us. If that wasn't enough, one of them was freaking (I wish I could use the other F word, I was very frustrated during the 4th yesterday because of him <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"><img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png">) Brandon Jennings, who became Stephen Curry because our best and basically only perimeter defender is Uncle P, so they were feasting on the threes with Jennings and Courtney. I do love Derrick Rose and loved to see him play that well, I just wish it was against a different team. <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></p><p> </p><p> Harden is my frontrunner for runner-up, the frontrunner-up (If that even exists) for MVP, after Westbrook. It might come down to which team gets the higher seed, assuming both make a top 5 seed in the West (Which is what I expect.)</p><p> </p><p> While Harden is proving to be extremely effective as the Steve Nash of the MDA offense, Westbrook has the better narrative, but both have been carrying their teams so well, it will come down to the wire. I'm excited. About Giannis, I'm afraid he won't be in the discussion yet, as I don't see the Bucks being a top 5 seed in the East. Cleveland, Toronto, Charlotte, Boston and Chicago/New York seems like a solid bet for me, in no particular order. If they do make the playoffs, his first playoff series as the legitimate Bucks' superstar will be no short of exciting, that's for sure. However, the race for the bottom seeds will be tight once again. The Bucks do have a legit shot, but Atlanta, Chicago/New York (whichever slips out of the top 5), Orlando, Detroit, Indiana and Washington are all there as well.</p><p> </p><p> I really feel bad about Davis' situation. Jrue's return has helped him a bit, that's true, but is Jrue reliable? Thus far in his NOP tenure he has rarely been in the court. He's terrific when he's there, but when he's not it's basically Davis and a goon squad. About Davis, the guy loves New Orleans, but he needs more, consistent help. You made a defensive C trade proposal, and that was exactly what they were looking for with Asik, but he is basically useless at this point, moves like a senile old man and rarely shows flashes of what could have been. (He did that against us this season as well, but then again, everything went south for us in that game <img alt=":mad:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/mad.png.69834f23b9a8bf290d98375f56f1c794.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png">) They do need to get rid of Asik ASAP, so let's weigh in on your options...Noel's trade value is sinking more and more by the day, because like Jrue, he can't stay in the court either. That's a shame, but I hope it's just bad luck so far. Gortat seems like a better match.</p>
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