Mods By Fleisch

LazarN · November 5, 2016

Pushes
I have little control where the game pushes people on the roster. This is a discussion in various threads on various mods. The only way I can explain it is - The mod maker can only put in the overness etc of each worker and how much more/less popular someone else is than them. If a midcarder falls into the lower midcard bracket in game because of this, I can do nothing about it because the game has to have a certain amount of wrestlers in each "push" position. Wrestler X should be midcard, up his overness, now wrestler Y who should be a midcarder has dropped to lower midcard - a never ending circle which ultimately leaves you with an unbalanced mess.

An example (in easy terms) The game needs to set 3 ME, 3 UM's, 3 Mids, 3 LM's I put the overness in for John Cena, the top guy, next Seth Rollins, then Kevin Owens. However I still have AJ Styles to fit into those top 3... well I put him more over than Seth Rollins as he has a title and has beaten Cena multiple times etc, now Owens drops to Upper Midcard alongside Roman Reigns & Dean Ambrose... hold on, shouldn't Randy Orton be in at least the Upper Midcard? Now this means someone is going to drop into the midcard that really shouldn't be there. I know each has more than 3 and it's not as extreme, but it is still the same premise.

Nothing against you LazarN, I appreciate the feedback.

RWC is like swimming in treacle. I just don't have the time or patience anymore for it if I'm being honest. I Don't get much time to myself these days and would rather do things I enjoy with that time.

I shall be carrying on with Diablo X, and eventually Earth-2 but monthly updates are not continuing until I can find a way to stop it feeling like a chore and more how it used to be, (enjoyable).

Yeah I understand it's complicated process to make all Pushes right in every company but as I said guys like Vaudevillians and Ryder is now lower on the card than they are in game.I think their Popularity need to be down a little bit(I will like to do it myself but I don't know how positon on card works,I mean how much worker need to be popular to be Midcarder in Company i guess it depends on Company popularity but i'm not sure).

And guys like The Revival need to be more up on the card than Opener in NXT.

I know you don't do Monthly Updates anymore but when you decide to do some Update I will love to see that game feel more Realistic-like the name of this great Mod.Thanks Fleisch.

Larrikn · November 7, 2016

the company behind NOAH changes its name too "NOAH Global Entertainment" today, not the promotion itself but the company behind the promotion

Fleisch · November 8, 2016

Diablo X

Finally finished assigning gimmicks! A long process but now I can get on and add a few new characters to certain promotions. I've already added Laura Matsuda to Street Fighter and made Virtua Fighter Sarah Bryant available for Dead or Alive. A lot of ages have been changed but I've still some more to do. I've used Mammoths gimmick pack and added a few to it. I'm hoping to get something out before Christmas.

vbase · November 11, 2016

<ol style="list-style-type:decimal;"><li>The WWE Events schedule needs a huge change. Basically WWE has the big 4 which you got right but between the big 4, there are 2 events every month. One per each brand. And I think the WWE will continue to repeat the same schedule. There is only 1 event a month in the mod. You should create some more events using old WWE event names and make 2 events per month. </li><li>Also, considering how the Japanese wrestlers stats are inflated, you should either decrease those or increase the other wrestlers' stats to provide some stability. Whatever company I start with, after 1 year, I almost always see WWE come to 2nd or 3rd place behind NJPW, DG, NOAH or other Japanese companies that are popularity basedr. Here's what I mean:

NJPW: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/JWGd3Gd.png" rel="external nofollow">http://i.imgur.com/JWGd3Gd.png</a> <a href="http://i.imgur.com/maLPiRp.png" rel="external nofollow">http://i.imgur.com/maLPiRp.png</a>

DG: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/Kpllwzi.png" rel="external nofollow">http://i.imgur.com/Kpllwzi.png</a> <a href="http://i.imgur.com/SJRbVeG.png" rel="external nofollow">http://i.imgur.com/SJRbVeG.png</a>

I mean you can't really do anything about their products (keeping it real) but at least you can These are the top matches for the these two companies. The other companies based in other areas with performance based products aren't as successful with the match ratings. I hope you understand what I mean.

Just a small example of how inflated is how most Japanese top wrestlers have in ring psychologies of 80+ but only AJ Styles in the WWE has 80+ and Cena, who calls his spots in-ring has below 80. Same goes with NXT. The NXT ones are criminally deflated. Even the WWE announcers and color commentators are far behind what is available in the market. I recently played WWE and noticed the big difference. I always thought WWE went to 3rd position in the world because I was responsible for it.

I can't really describe it any better than this. </li><li>Also, in the last edition, October edition, the NJPW contracts was a bit messed up. No one could be a road agent because all the road agents had could either only be personalities, announcers or color commentators because they were limited by the contract. I hope you fixed that because I have not played NJPW with the latest edition. </li></ol>

Jaysin · November 11, 2016

The Japanese workers aren't inflated, they are better than American workers. Cena's psychology should be in the 80s, but other than maybe AJ Styles, who in the company that's an active worker can call a match in the ring? No one really. Every match in the company other than Cena's are completely scripted by road agents.

In reality, Japanese promotions(specifically New Japan) are constantly being touted as the best wrestlers in the world.

NXT workers have to be gimped in the stats department or they complain immediately about being in developmental.

Dawsintron · November 12, 2016

Quiet Storm doesn't seem to be in the database, he needs adding to NOAH.

BestForTheBusiness · November 12, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The Japanese workers aren't inflated, they are better than American workers. Cena's psychology should be in the 80s, but other than maybe AJ Styles, who in the company that's an active worker can call a match in the ring? No one really. Every match in the company other than Cena's are completely scripted by road agents. In reality, Japanese promotions(specifically New Japan) are constantly being touted as the best wrestlers in the world. NXT workers have to be gimped in the stats department or they complain immediately about being in developmental.</div></blockquote> I agree. You can see how many 4-5-star matches Japan produced, even just this year.

Fleisch · November 12, 2016

There has always been this argument with mods where people believe Japan is "over powered" with talent. Truth is, when it comes to in ring ability, most of the Japanese wrestlers are head and shoulders above WWE. It's not bias because I have no affiliation with any Japanese promotion, it's just a fact. This means you have to be more clever when booking WWE because in the 2 games I've played as them I've not lost the #1 spot (I'm not very good at Sports Entertainment booking to be honest), and the AI has only ever put NJPW over WWE once (in 2019 using December 2015 data). Dragon Gate have never overtaken WWE, nor have NOAH (In fact NOAH have never got above 10th).

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Based on my own 2 year game (I'm playing as Triple H) I'm not sure what is going on in your game but the results from mine (based on me booking WWE) show a completely different story to yours.

If any one else is having issues with NJPW, DG & especially NOAH who are 14th in mine, over taking WWE every game then let me know, as I can only give my response based on my own game I'm running.

I was going to add WWE Events when they are announced (as of previous not all events were but I did add those that were so some months did have 2 events a month). I am not adding random events just to change them when WWE announce different ones - it's a waste of time.

As I've already said though, don't look for any updates on RWC any time soon because I'm tired of doing it.

Fleisch · November 12, 2016

Diablo X

Look for the beta to be released first week of December! It won't have many additions, it was more about getting it compatible with TEW 2016 than anything at the moment. Although you will start to notice changes, such as the many changes to Kombat Promotions and Reign of Kombat.

Once released, work will start on a Dragonball Z promotion so if anyone with some knowledge on which characters to include, PM me please. Those who have ideas for a name for the promotion can post them here. That won't be the only addition as I look to expand the Diabloverse with even more comic book characters - and eventually leave my comfort zone and add in some more Anime/Manga. More Characters from Fallout and Elder Scrolls may also start to make appearances.

The plan is for there to be 2000+ workers so that long term games can be played with more variety and choice. Suffice to say, at present, Diablo X is my priority. Currently for the beta I think there is about 1390 characters.

cultstatus · November 12, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The Japanese workers aren't inflated, they are better than American workers. Cena's psychology should be in the 80s, but other than maybe AJ Styles, who in the company that's an active worker can call a match in the ring? No one really. Every match in the company other than Cena's are completely scripted by road agents. In reality, Japanese promotions(specifically New Japan) are constantly being touted as the best wrestlers in the world. NXT workers have to be gimped in the stats department or they complain immediately about being in developmental.</div></blockquote> That is not entirely accurate. Road agents are mainly used for coming up with finishes to matches. I'm sure guys with lower experience get a more hands on approach from the agents with how a match goes, but generally, most of the roster calls it in the ring. Or at the very least, go over what the want to do in the back before the match.

Jaysin · November 13, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="cultstatus" data-cite="cultstatus" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That is not entirely accurate. Road agents are mainly used for coming up with finishes to matches. I'm sure guys with lower experience get a more hands on approach from the agents with how a match goes, but generally, most of the roster calls it in the ring. Or at the very least, go over what the want to do in the back before the match.</div></blockquote> Or if you listen to literally any WWE worker doing a podcast you'll hear that their matches are scripted by a road agent. Wwe has never let "most" of their roster call anything in the ring. Cena and Jericho are the only two who have freedom. This isn't new, it's how the company has always been. It was one of the major differences between WCW and WWF. Trying to say otherwise is just not accurate.

BigINMoldova · November 15, 2016

What is up with the old men in NJPW having such high ratings? I just ran a show where 800 year old Kojima and Nagata put on better matches then Goto and Shibata?

O'Reilly and Elgin also need serious buffs. In fact most of the ROH roster needs serious buffs. Jay Briscoe is a former world champion who just put up a 62 to Jado's 63. I respect Jado but the guy's a career midcarder and tag team specialist , he shouldn't be out wrestling a former world champion sixteen years younger then him.

Fleisch · November 15, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BigINMoldova" data-cite="BigINMoldova" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What is up with the old men in NJPW having such high ratings? I just ran a show where 800 year old Kojima and Nagata put on better matches then Goto and Shibata? O'Reilly and Elgin also need serious buffs. In fact most of the ROH roster needs serious buffs. Jay Briscoe is a former world champion who just put up a 62 to Jado's 63. I respect Jado but the guy's a career midcarder and tag team specialist , he shouldn't be out wrestling a former world champion sixteen years younger then him.</div></blockquote> Ok. Now what I want you to do is go through every wrestler in ROH and tell me which of them needs which stats changing because your feedback (while appreciated) is not very helpful or constructive. You seem to have a clear knowledge of the promotion so that should be no trouble for you to take an hour out of your day to do. I'm sure you also know that mod making takes 100's of hours out of a persons time for free so you won't begrudge an hour or two of your own time giving constructive criticism will you? As for a midcarder out wrestling a former "World" champion 16 years his junior... Jado is better known in Japan than Jay Briscoe, and more respected. Jado has in fact been a respected midcarder for one of the top promotions in the world a lot longer than Jay Briscoe has even been a "name" on the indies. By your logic, The Great Khali is a former World Champ, so he should be getting better in ring results than Jado. Now as you'll be looking at ROH anyway, maybe you could take a look at NJPW and let me know what stats I should give each of them too - don't forget though, stats have to balance with those in Mexico, Europe and the UK too not just USA and Japan. Thanks in advance for the help you will no doubt be giving me with your extensive knowledge in getting this database playable and not so broken. Welcome to Greydog Software by the way... enjoy your stay.

vbase · November 15, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Or if you listen to literally any WWE worker doing a podcast you'll hear that their matches are scripted by a road agent. Wwe has never let "most" of their roster call anything in the ring. Cena and Jericho are the only two who have freedom. This isn't new, it's how the company has always been. It was one of the major differences between WCW and WWF. Trying to say otherwise is just not accurate.</div></blockquote> True. However, that does not imply they cannot put on matches on themselves. WWE do script almost all their matches, however, that is not because the wrestlers can't put on matches on themselves. WWE just doesn't trust the wrestlers enough. They even give them word by word scripts for angles. Even guys like Kevin Owens and Dean Ambrose have to follow that script (I believe they are good talkers), word by word. Again, this does not mean that if not given the scripts, they cannot talk. Hell, I think if given no scripts and some outlines, they can outdo the scripts. Here it is not about WWE or other promotions. It is just about how Non-Japanese wrestlers are deflated in relevance to the inflated Japanese workers. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>There has always been this argument with mods where people believe Japan is "over powered" with talent. Truth is, when it comes to in ring ability, most of the Japanese wrestlers are head and shoulders above WWE. It's not bias because I have no affiliation with any Japanese promotion, it's just a fact. This means you have to be more clever when booking WWE because in the 2 games I've played as them I've not lost the #1 spot (I'm not very good at Sports Entertainment booking to be honest), and the AI has only ever put NJPW over WWE once (in 2019 using December 2015 data). Dragon Gate have never overtaken WWE, nor have NOAH (In fact NOAH have never got above 10th). <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Frontiergfx/media/4_zps0jx2lu0d.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Frontiergfx/4_zps0jx2lu0d.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Frontiergfx/media/3_zps7xky7qfh.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Frontiergfx/3_zps7xky7qfh.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Frontiergfx/media/2_zpscsonnm2v.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Frontiergfx/2_zpscsonnm2v.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Frontiergfx/media/1_zpsntt7syhy.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Frontiergfx/1_zpsntt7syhy.jpg</a> Based on my own 2 year game (I'm playing as Triple H) I'm not sure what is going on in your game but the results from mine (based on me booking WWE) show a completely different story to yours. If any one else is having issues with NJPW, DG & especially NOAH who are 14th in mine, over taking WWE every game then let me know, as I can only give my response based on my own game I'm running. I was going to add WWE Events when they are announced (as of previous not all events were but I did add those that were so some months did have 2 events a month). I am not adding random events just to change them when WWE announce different ones - it's a waste of time. As I've already said though, don't look for any updates on RWC any time soon because I'm tired of doing it.</div></blockquote> I can see what you mean. Most of the WWE wrestlers are just acts with some wrestling experience. Some good wrestlers are still there in the WWE but just because they are in the WWE, they have lower stats than what they would have if they were in the indie scene. Even the commentators are deflated because they are there. You can find better commentators in the indies than in WWE. I also believe the WWE do suffer a lot but that is because they are forced to do scripts than just call what they see, that does not imply they are bad. But as I mentioned in the original post, other promotions who are performance based with non-Japanese rosters (maybe a few Japanese) suffer a lot in that respect. They don't even compare to the quality of matches being put on in the Japanese based rosters. I do understand that some Japanese wrestlers are heads and shoulders above other wrestlers because of their training. It's just that the game becomes very one-sided. The Japanese promotions dominate all the time. Most of the awards are won by the Japanese promotions except a few (referee, woman wrestler, independent wrestler, manager) at the year end almost every year. If you were to, let's say, simulate the mod without any user interference, you'd get Japanese promotions dominating the game after a year or two. I can still understand your point of view, and if you don't want to change anything, no problem. Thanks for the mod still. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BestForTheBusiness" data-cite="BestForTheBusiness" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I agree. You can see how many 4-5-star matches Japan produced, even just this year.</div></blockquote> Yes. However, Meltzer (I hope you're talking about his ratings) is very much unfair in his ratings. NJPW get most of the 5-star ratings. I think Meltzer likes pure wrestling matches with a lot of hard hitting and story telling in the ring. That is the NJPW product. The WWE product is different. There's some comedy and other elements in the match that get it bad ratings. The Undertaker vs Shawn Micheals Wrestlemania matches (the 1st one even being better than the second one) both got a 4.75 and with vs HHH in HIAC got 4.75 and AJ Styles vs John Cena at SumerSlam got 4.5. These were some great matches and arguably worth a 5 star rating. I am not going to go further into that. The thing is the products are different and I think (my personal view) that the rating system has some nepotism involved. However, again, the ratings do not imply how good or bad the workers are.

Vagrant · November 17, 2016

Some Evolve notes after the weekend shows. Some spoilers included.

- Timothy Thatcher is out of action with a serious concussion. Early reports stated it could be over a month before he's cleared. Stokely Hathaway should be added as a manager for Thatcher as well as they have been together for a few shows now.

Tony Nese is officially finished with Evolve as he was announced as signing a full time contract with WWE during the show.

Drew Gulak is no longer part of the Catch Point stable or tag team with Tracy Williams as he announced he was done with the group at Evolve 73.

Fred Yehi and Tracy Williams are the new Evolve tag team champions defeating Dustin and Chris Hero(replacing the injured Galloway), the Gatekeepers, and Drew Gulak and Tony Nese to win the titles.

Don't think he was ever added anyway but just in case he was Joey Styles has been fired from Evolve, Beyond, and Chikara for comments made during the Evolve show.

JRev1313 · November 17, 2016

On a non stats note, back with the usual twice a year SHIMMER notes:

Christina Von Eerie is back, seemingly as a heel.

Cat Power is also back as a heel.

Nevaeh has also returned as a heel.

Marti Belle should also be added as a heel.

I might wait to see where this NXT thing goes but Mickie James also wrestled on these tapings. If she does get added she would be a face.

Sexy Star also wrestled on them under the name Dulce Garcia as a face.

Title changes:

Kellie Skater won the SHIMMER Championship on November 12th and lost it back the next day to Mercedes Martinez.

Mount Tessa (Tessa Blanchard and Vanessa Kraven) won the SHIMMER Tag Team Championships on November 13th.

Location changes:

Candice LeRae and Johnny Gargano should now be based in the South East. On that note, Tommaso Ciampa as well.

Portia Perez and RD Evans should be based in the Tri State (RD is actually working with the WWE creative team but that's a hard role to replicate in TEW).

Relationship Changes:

Candice LeRae and Johnny Gargano should be changed to married.

Joey Ryan and Laura James should also be changed to married.

May have already got this one but Alberto and Paige are engaged.

Edge and Beth Phoenix should be changed to married.

Rich Swann and Su Yung should be changed to engaged.

Tyler Breeze and Ashley Miller should be changed to married.

I'm not sure SoCal Val and Elijah Burke are still dating since that was a long time ago so I'd probably delete that one.

That should be all for now. Thanks as always for all the hard work Fleisch, I know updating RWC can be a drain and something that can burn one out but know that your work is always appreciated and valued with these releases.

moafnsteel · November 18, 2016

Super excited for the updated Diablo Mod! Can't wait to see some of the changes.

Mootinie · November 19, 2016

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Fleisch · November 19, 2016

Thank you for the updates and graphics guys. A small update, I will be releasing Diablo X (beta) tomorrow and not in December.

I had also been working on a secret project the last month or 2. It is basically a female only data set but with a bit of a twist in that it will also include the women of MMA, fitness models and other sports as future and current workers - not to mention some random workers created by myself who will also be set as future workers. It will also still have a few male characters in as Owners, Road Agents, Refs and Announcers - but NO in ring male workers. It will also be using the Chronicles picture style.

Once both Diablo X and my new mod (Reina Chaos) are out, I may continue with RWC releases. I've hit a creative block with Earth-2 so that may be put on the backburner until I get some more inspiration for it.

Fleisch · November 19, 2016

NEW RELEASE

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See first post for downloads to the beta. 1400 Workers currently.

WWF87 · November 20, 2016

Nightshade profile points to female but is set to male

Laura Matsuda is set to male not female

cultstatus · November 20, 2016

Or if you listen to literally any WWE worker doing a podcast you'll hear that their matches are scripted by a road agent. Wwe has never let "most" of their roster call anything in the ring. Cena and Jericho are the only two who have freedom. This isn't new, it's how the company has always been. It was one of the major differences between WCW and WWF.

Trying to say otherwise is just not accurate.

In pretty much every match, you can see them calling spots if you know what to look for.

claxton110381 · November 22, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="cultstatus" data-cite="cultstatus" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>In pretty much every match, you can see them calling spots if you know what to look for.</div></blockquote> They are calling spots that are planned in advance. Only a select few are allowed to call matches in-ring.

cultstatus · November 22, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="claxton110381" data-cite="claxton110381" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>They are calling spots that are planned in advance. Only a select few are allowed to call matches in-ring.</div></blockquote> It's the same difference. For example, Owens was telling a story on a podcast of putting together a multiman match and Sami was coming up with all the ideas and talking over everyone, and Cesaro was getting pissed he wasn't getting any input in. The road agent isn't planning every spot for these guys. He'll come in and tell these guys who is going over, how much time they have, what the type of finish, and maybe if there is something important they have to do. Everything else comes from the wrestlers. It was exactly like that back in the 80s.

d12345 · November 22, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="claxton110381" data-cite="claxton110381" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>They are calling spots that are planned in advance. Only a select few are allowed to call matches in-ring.</div></blockquote> If you listen to Kurt Angle talking to Stone Cold on the Stone Cold podcast from a few weeks ago they laugh at people who claim to call an entire match in the ring. They also stated that they did work through big spots pre-match during the attitude era main event days, so yes those matches are mainly scripted (with some spot calling and audibles thrown in).

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