Mods By Fleisch

[Hazemore]

btw Elias is SEVERELY underrated in ring and ent skills

[Tardelli]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hazemore" data-cite="Hazemore" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>btw Elias is SEVERELY underrated in ring and ent skills</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> Thank you for that insight! Exactly what Fleisch needs, i guess <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[MarslArts]

I don’t think I understand why you would offer that?

 

I mean, if it gets you going, go right ahead

 

well, so that Fleisch could give those locations a mediocre english speaking audience. Or doesn't that make sense

[Winged Hussar]

<p>This is my first comment on this thread so I want to start off by saying thank you for this fantastic mod and all the time and dedication you put in with updating it every few months.</p><p> </p><p>

I've played a little bit of it and thought I'd try to give some feedback that I hope is constructive and helpful.</p><p> </p><p>

Some of the stats are a little odd. Particularly the women. As much as I like Alexa Bliss in real life she probably shouldn't be anywhere near 97 sex appeal rating while women like Mandy Rose and Eva Marie are lower than her with numbers in the low 90s. Alexa Bliss's appeal comes from her mic work and her charisma that helps her connect with fans whereas the other 2 (particularly Eva Maria) just don't. Its not a deal-breaker and the mod is still great but little stuff like this does make the mod a little bit less immersive as a booker and at times feels a tad fanboyish with such an over the top 97 rating that I really don't think anyone in 2018 should have considering WWE has purposely moved away from utilizing Sex Appeal since the Womens Evolution. It might come down to a little bit of confusion also on what some ratings actually are. The sex appeal rating is often used for determining the success of segments WWE would run in the late 90s and early 2000s like the bikini contests and bra and panties matches. Since the womens evolution thing WWE have moved far away from these types of women so I don't think the current WWE roster should be filled with too many 90+ rated in this category.</p><p> </p><p>

This is linked to a bigger issue that I also noticed was sort of the same but less obvious with the male Indy wrestlers and that is the slight lack of unique wrestlers that offer differentiation and difficult choice as a booker. </p><p> </p><p>

For example if Alexa Bliss was down at 82 Sex Appeal (which is still very high) but had mic skills, decent psychology and was well rounded enough to perform better overall than Eva Marie but Eva Maria had 90 Sex Appeal but was hopeless with basics and other important skills so she could never put on a good match it would recreate the real life headache and position WWE were placed in where they had to make a choice what they wanted that division to look like.</p><p> </p><p>

I noticed there were quite a few male Indy wrestlers in promotions that also suffer from this same problem where they were overall very well rounded while also having extremely high stats (95+) in certain things that they are no doubt very good at but made so over the top good at that skill/skills that other wrestlers who might kind of suck but have that one thing as the sole reason they were a wrestler lose their identity, particularly from a bookers point of view as to why you'd ever find signing them appealing. The Alexa Bliss one is definitely the most glaring obvious example of this I can find and also easiest to explain but there is a couple of males too I found myself having to edit down some of their stats before I start my new game.</p><p> </p><p>

Anyway, that is just my opinion and regardless what you do in your next update I think we're all very thankful to you for this mod. Keep up the good work!</p>

[JamHead]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Winged Hussar" data-cite="Winged Hussar" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>shouldn't be anywhere near 97 sex appeal</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You're talking about an opinion stat and in MY opinion, she is the hottest woman on the roster since Christy Hemme and this stat is deserved.</p>

[Mattywood]

<p>Let's also keep in mind that Sex Appeal has been expanded upon in that the males are rated equally in it as the females, so there's that.</p><p> </p><p>

Anywho, keeping a good thought for the knee, Fleisch!</p>

[Winged Hussar]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="JamHead" data-cite="JamHead" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You're talking about an opinion stat and in MY opinion, she is the hottest woman on the roster since Christy Hemme and this stat is deserved.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think you missed the point entirely. I like Alexa Bliss too, shes one of my favorites however most people like the entire Alexa Bliss package rather then just staring at pictures of her purely because of her appearance alone like perverted wrestling fans used to do to the divas in the early 2000s. Sex Appeal is just one stat I chose to highlight in a bigger scheme, what I'm really talking about is every wrestler feeling the same or not capturing their personality from a booking perspective. For example Alexa Bliss currently has 58 microphone and acting which in game prevents the booker from using her how she is used in real life because she probably has the best female promo of anyone on the current WWE roster. A nerf to her sex appeal and a buff to her microphone and acting would actually make Alexa Bliss feel more like Alexa Bliss because as a booker I'd be encouraged to put her in promos to showcase her and get good ratings as opposed to bikini contests. I'm not going to try to keep explaining it with Alexa Bliss to you since you seem to love her and it will corrupt your ability to understand this point so I will use another example of someone else.</p><p> </p><p> Many ratings could be improved but the sex appeal rating across the board is wrong with pretty much every single woman in the dataset. I was trying to be polite before and not shame any particular woman but I'll use Kellyanne as an example instead to prove the point instead of Alexa Bliss </p><p> </p><p> This is Kellyanne</p><p> <a href="https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4202/34085471894_389212449c_b.jpg" rel="external nofollow">https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4202/34085471894_389212449c_b.jpg</a></p><p> </p><p> She was given an 86 "Sex Appeal" stat that is far higher than Eve Torres, Kelly Kelly, Madison Rayne and numerous other girls who ONLY managed to break into wrestling with the aid off their looks. I am Australian and I like Kellyanne too but her stat of 86 does not match who she is at all in real life and breaks the experience for me. She is actually a decent ring worker who probably will never get a chance in WWE due to her lack of sex appeal ironically enough.</p><p> </p><p> Another woman to explain this concept I can use who everyone knows is Becky Lynch who has the 5th highest sex appeal in the game trumping numerous models who can't wrestle at all but should have a high rating as its literally the only thing they have to offer. Now LOTS of people have a crush on Becky Lynch the same way as lots of people have a crush on Alexa Bliss however Becky Lynch herself even came out and said she never had a chance of being signed during the diva era because she lacked sex appeal. Those are her exact words.</p><p> </p><p> Anyway I'm not going to debate which girls are attractive and which girls are not, that was never my intention. I was just trying to help. Anyway, once again nice mod and good luck with whatever you choose to do in future updates.</p>

[Mattywood]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Winged Hussar" data-cite="Winged Hussar" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think you missed the point entirely. I like Alexa Bliss too, shes one of my favorites however most people like the entire Alexa Bliss package rather then just staring at pictures of her purely because of her appearance alone like perverted wrestling fans used to do to the divas in the early 2000s. Sex Appeal is just one stat I chose to highlight in a bigger scheme, what I'm really talking about is every wrestler feeling the same or not capturing their personality from a booking perspective. For example Alexa Bliss currently has 58 microphone and acting which in game prevents the booker from using her how she is used in real life because she probably has the best female promo of anyone on the current WWE roster. A nerf to her sex appeal and a buff to her microphone and acting would actually make Alexa Bliss feel more like Alexa Bliss because as a booker I'd be encouraged to put her in promos to showcase her and get good ratings as opposed to bikini contests. I'm not going to try to keep explaining it with Alexa Bliss to you since you seem to love her and it will corrupt your ability to understand this point so I will use another example of someone else.<p> </p><p> Many ratings could be improved but the sex appeal rating across the board is wrong with pretty much every single woman in the dataset. I was trying to be polite before and not shame any particular woman but I'll use Kellyanne as an example instead to prove the point instead of Alexa Bliss </p><p> </p><p> This is Kellyanne</p><p> <a href="https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4202/34085471894_389212449c_b.jpg" rel="external nofollow">https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4202/34085471894_389212449c_b.jpg</a></p><p> </p><p> She was given an 86 "Sex Appeal" stat that is far higher than Eve Torres, Kelly Kelly, Madison Rayne and numerous other girls who ONLY managed to break into wrestling with the aid off their looks. I am Australian and I like Kellyanne too but her stat of 86 does not match who she is at all in real life and breaks the experience for me. She is actually a decent ring worker who probably will never get a chance in WWE due to her lack of sex appeal ironically enough.</p><p> </p><p> Another woman to explain this concept I can use who everyone knows is Becky Lynch who has the 5th highest sex appeal in the game trumping numerous models who can't wrestle at all but should have a high rating as its literally the only thing they have to offer. Now LOTS of people have a crush on Becky Lynch the same way as lots of people have a crush on Alexa Bliss however Becky Lynch herself even came out and said she never had a chance of being signed during the diva era because she lacked sex appeal. Those are her exact words.</p><p> </p><p> Anyway I'm not going to debate which girls are attractive and which girls are not, that was never my intention. I was just trying to help. Anyway, once again nice mod and good luck with whatever you choose to do in future updates.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> How dare you give feedback in a constructive manner that makes a good case for whatever changes you would like to see?! The Mod God will strike thee down! <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.theunticket.com/audio/drops//bob-jules.mp3" rel="external nofollow">http://www.theunticket.com/audio/drops//bob-jules.mp3</a></p><p> </p><p> ^^Spoken by Fleisch himself! <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Kidding! <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> On a more serious note, I do agree with JamHead that the stats are subjective, but I also agree Winged Hussar that some stats could possibly be looked at. Best way to go about it is exactly how you did: noting which stat(s) could be looked at and why. I can't speak for Fleisch, obviously, but I'm pretty sure he won't bite if you make a well spoken case as to why someone's stats should be looked at.</p>

[Fleisch]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Winged Hussar" data-cite="Winged Hussar" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think you missed the point entirely. I like Alexa Bliss too, shes one of my favorites however most people like the entire Alexa Bliss package rather then just staring at pictures of her purely because of her appearance alone like perverted wrestling fans used to do to the divas in the early 2000s. Sex Appeal is just one stat I chose to highlight in a bigger scheme, what I'm really talking about is every wrestler feeling the same or not capturing their personality from a booking perspective. For example Alexa Bliss currently has 58 microphone and acting which in game prevents the booker from using her how she is used in real life because she probably has the best female promo of anyone on the current WWE roster. A nerf to her sex appeal and a buff to her microphone and acting would actually make Alexa Bliss feel more like Alexa Bliss because as a booker I'd be encouraged to put her in promos to showcase her and get good ratings as opposed to bikini contests. I'm not going to try to keep explaining it with Alexa Bliss to you since you seem to love her and it will corrupt your ability to understand this point so I will use another example of someone else.<p> </p><p> Many ratings could be improved but the sex appeal rating across the board is wrong with pretty much every single woman in the dataset. I was trying to be polite before and not shame any particular woman but I'll use Kellyanne as an example instead to prove the point instead of Alexa Bliss </p><p> </p><p> This is Kellyanne</p><p> <a href="https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4202/34085471894_389212449c_b.jpg" rel="external nofollow">https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4202/34085471894_389212449c_b.jpg</a></p><p> </p><p> She was given an 86 "Sex Appeal" stat that is far higher than Eve Torres, Kelly Kelly, Madison Rayne and numerous other girls who ONLY managed to break into wrestling with the aid off their looks. I am Australian and I like Kellyanne too but her stat of 86 does not match who she is at all in real life and breaks the experience for me. She is actually a decent ring worker who probably will never get a chance in WWE due to her lack of sex appeal ironically enough.</p><p> </p><p> Another woman to explain this concept I can use who everyone knows is Becky Lynch who has the 5th highest sex appeal in the game trumping numerous models who can't wrestle at all but should have a high rating as its literally the only thing they have to offer. Now LOTS of people have a crush on Becky Lynch the same way as lots of people have a crush on Alexa Bliss however Becky Lynch herself even came out and said she never had a chance of being signed during the diva era because she lacked sex appeal. Those are her exact words.</p><p> </p><p> Anyway I'm not going to debate which girls are attractive and which girls are not, that was never my intention. I was just trying to help. Anyway, once again nice mod and good luck with whatever you choose to do in future updates.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thanks for the feedback. I may not get everyone's looked at before next release but I agree from a stat perspective, the sex appeal one does need re-evaluating. Along with a few more stats. It's one of those "damned if you do, damned if you dont" scenarios.</p>

[alpha2117]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Winged Hussar" data-cite="Winged Hussar" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> </p><p> This is Kellyanne</p><p> <a href="https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4202/34085471894_389212449c_b.jpg" rel="external nofollow">https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4202/34085471894_389212449c_b.jpg</a></p><p> </p><p> She was given an 86 "Sex Appeal" stat that is far higher than Eve Torres, Kelly Kelly, Madison Rayne and numerous other girls who ONLY managed to break into wrestling with the aid off their looks. I am Australian and I like Kellyanne too but her stat of 86 does not match who she is at all in real life and breaks the experience for me. She is actually a decent ring worker who probably will never get a chance in WWE due to her lack of sex appeal ironically enough.</p><p> </p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Hmmm that's a really bad picture of Kellyanne and not really indicative of how she looks now. She definitely isn't carrying those extra pounds.</p><p> </p><p> She's got a decent all tatted up bad girl look that plenty of people find attractive and sexy too. I wouldn't put her in the upper echelon's myself but she's currently better looking than that pic you posted.</p><p> </p><p> <a href="https://www.facebook.com/pg/kellyannefiendclub/photos/?tab=album&album_id=243191595694113" rel="external nofollow">https://www.facebook.com/pg/kellyannefiendclub/photos/?tab=album&album_id=243191595694113</a></p><p> </p><p> <a href="https://www.facebook.com/kellyannefiendclub/photos/a.779003522112915.1073741825.243191389027467/1876584955688094/?type=3&theater" rel="external nofollow">https://www.facebook.com/kellyannefiendclub/photos/a.779003522112915.1073741825.243191389027467/1876584955688094/?type=3&theater</a></p><p> </p><p> In the Shimmer pic she's better looking than Mia Yim, Zoe Lucas, Veda Scott, Kay Lee Ray & Rhia O'Reilly. Without seeing her in real life up close I have no idea if she is really better looking in real life but in the pic she is.</p><p> </p><p> Personally if you asked me who looks like they would be better in bed Kellyanne or someone like Eva Marie - I am going with Kellyanne.</p><p> </p><p> All these things are subjective. Is Nia Jax sexy? Sorta ... she's a big girl but she's got an attractive face and if you like meat on the bones then I can see how people would think she is sexy. Eva Marie looked like a Barbie Doll and whilst many people find that sexy others find the more plastic look a turn off. Like I said subjective. </p><p> </p><p> With any mod you have to make choices and for Alex Bliss she's a tiny little thing that is amazingly athletic and that's very attractive to many people. It's hard to quantify - the mod maker just has to go with his gut. You are rarely going to get absolute consensus on something subjective like Sex Appeal.</p><p> </p><p> Now Mustafa Ali's and Buddy Murphy's in ring abilities being too low - the last couple of months leading up to them getting a this is awesome chant during the traditionally dead last match on 205 live sums up how good those two are and how insane their chemistry is. Those are things that you can point to a series of matches over a decent period of time to try to prove. 3 months ago though not too many people would have said that either guy was under-rated in ring but now you can make that case pretty easily. By the by I would strongly recommend watching the last few months of 205 live to any wrestling fan because there is just some fantastic work from a bunch of guys who aren't getting nearly enough exposure.</p><p> </p><p> Info for the Mod - Lio Rush was advertised as coming to 205 live so he's being called up to the Main roster shortly</p>

[Winged Hussar]

it is very time consuming getting 2000+ characters appropriately rated in comparison to one another in so many different stats. Also quick question, where did you get your information on the Australian wrestlers from? My friend and I had a good chuckle at them (in a friendly fun way though). We know a lot of these guys in person and if they were making $900 per show they'd be so happy lol. Also you missed some big ones while including some complete jobbers, still... thanks for thinking of us. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

[Fleisch]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Winged Hussar" data-cite="Winged Hussar" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>it is very time consuming getting 2000+ characters appropriately rated in comparison to one another in so many different stats. Also quick question, where did you get your information on the Australian wrestlers from? My friend and I had a good chuckle at them (in a friendly fun way though). We know a lot of these guys in person and if they were making $900 per show they'd be so happy lol. Also you missed some big ones while including some complete jobbers, still... thanks for thinking of us. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> I just got a little tired of being asked "Why don't you add to the Australian scene" well now people know. I know nothing about the scene! It was added so I got some peace. If someone wants to work on it themselves I'll update it but for now it will have to stay the ballsed up mess it currently is.</p>

[Winged Hussar]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> I just got a little tired of being asked "Why don't you add to the Australian scene" well now people know. I know nothing about the scene! It was added so I got some peace. If someone wants to work on it themselves I'll update it but for now it will have to stay the ballsed up mess it currently is.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> By theory my friend and I could make it for you near perfectly. Its quite an interesting set up here because there are a handful of different promotions but they share most of the same talent. I can't stress enough though how small the crowds are. Pretty much all the wrestlers are volunteers and if a show manages to make a profit they take a share the gate (depending on the promoter). I'd say almost every Australian wrestler would be satisfied with a pay of $20 for the night lol. We have a saying in Australia that no one is over, people here don't pay to see any specific Australian wrestler unless they've been in WWE, they just pay to see wrestling itself so it doesn't really matter who the promoter books. The crowds are so small here its insulting sometimes. Christopher Daniels wrestled here a few weeks back in front of 15 people maybe <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> You'll never be able to get their payment per show down low enough for it to be anything resembling realistic but if you lower their stats you might be able to sort of recreate the Australian scrappy on the cheap environment. The funniest thing and most enjoyable to see play out in TEW would be the scheduling conflicts with other promotions sharing the same core roster which happens all the time here in real life, and both promoters calling up putting pressure on the wrestler to perform at their show over the other.</p><p> </p><p> The one frustrating thing though is how the regions are divided. It really should be divided into North East Australia, South East Australia and West Australia. As it stands now every Australian wrestling promotion that is worth making would be based in Eastern Australia.</p>

[alpha2117]

<p>The Oz wrestling scene is much smaller than some areas for sure. RCW, MCW IPW (NZ) & PWA are probably the largest and you often see decent overseas talent on those shows. Western Australia has NHPW (New Horizons Pro Wrestling) which recently ran shows with Jeff Cobb & Desi Derata). Perth is the most isolated city on Earth so unless you live there it's not like you are going to know much about their scene.</p><p> </p><p>

Honestly other than doing something like the Who did and throw in a few workers with stats set at average it's pretty hard for fleisch to do much unless someone provides him with info. I recently did for Candy Lee because I found her interesting.</p>

[jmfactor]

sendai girls has launched its on demand service call sendai global

[Efanga]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="alpha2117" data-cite="alpha2117" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The Oz wrestling scene is much smaller than some areas for sure. RCW, MCW IPW (NZ) & PWA are probably the largest and you often see decent overseas talent on those shows. Western Australia has NHPW (New Horizons Pro Wrestling) which recently ran shows with Jeff Cobb & Desi Derata). Perth is the most isolated city on Earth so unless you live there it's not like you are going to know much about their scene.<p> </p><p> Honestly other than doing something like the Who did and throw in a few workers with stats set at average it's pretty hard for fleisch to do much unless someone provides him with info. I recently did for Candy Lee because I found her interesting.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The Perth scene isn't great but the fact you left EPW off the list you mentioned made me laugh. They literally just done a cross over show with Progress and had Pete Dunne, Jimmy Havoc, Moustache Mountain, Toni Storm & Travis Banks come over for the show. They are on Demand Progress and are arguably the best company in Australia along with PWA & MCW of course.</p>

[alpha2117]

The Perth scene isn't great but the fact you left EPW off the list you mentioned made me laugh. They literally just done a cross over show with Progress and had Pete Dunne, Jimmy Havoc, Moustache Mountain, Toni Storm & Travis Banks come over for the show. They are on Demand Progress and are arguably the best company in Australia along with PWA & MCW of course.

 

So you made my point for me - unless you live in Perth you aren't going to know much about their scene. NHPW and EPW are pretty much unknown outside of WA - I've only ever heard about either in conjunction with them using foreign talent I know.

 

RCW (Riot City wrestling) is reasonably well known outside of Central Australia as is IPW NZ outside of NZ. PWA, MCW and the AWF are the best known Australian promotions with PWA and MCW getting higher profile talent like Osprey and Okada to their shows. AWF gets forgotten a bit but it's the one that has lasted the longest out of the modern era promotions and runs shows regularly and do things like the Easter Show and the Supernova conventions and they are largely responsible for keeping the scene going for a long time. Trying to think of what else has a reasonable profile NPW out of Newcastle uses a lot of the PWA people and AWA out of Queensland. The two WA promotions mentioned probably sit around the edge of the top 10 promotions in the region behind MCW, PWA, PWWA, AWF, RCW, IPW NZ & NPW but that's more because of their remoteness preventing any of their talent getting much of a profile outside of their local area than anything else.

 

In general even the largest of those would be Regional.

[Fleisch]

By theory my friend and I could make it for you near perfectly. Its quite an interesting set up here because there are a handful of different promotions but they share most of the same talent. I can't stress enough though how small the crowds are. Pretty much all the wrestlers are volunteers and if a show manages to make a profit they take a share the gate (depending on the promoter). I'd say almost every Australian wrestler would be satisfied with a pay of $20 for the night lol. We have a saying in Australia that no one is over, people here don't pay to see any specific Australian wrestler unless they've been in WWE, they just pay to see wrestling itself so it doesn't really matter who the promoter books. The crowds are so small here its insulting sometimes. Christopher Daniels wrestled here a few weeks back in front of 15 people maybe

 

You'll never be able to get their payment per show down low enough for it to be anything resembling realistic but if you lower their stats you might be able to sort of recreate the Australian scrappy on the cheap environment. The funniest thing and most enjoyable to see play out in TEW would be the scheduling conflicts with other promotions sharing the same core roster which happens all the time here in real life, and both promoters calling up putting pressure on the wrestler to perform at their show over the other.

 

The one frustrating thing though is how the regions are divided. It really should be divided into North East Australia, South East Australia and West Australia. As it stands now every Australian wrestling promotion that is worth making would be based in Eastern Australia.

 

If you're willing to do that it would be great, thanks. I'll add it and give full credit to you. It's just one of those "I live in the UK" excuses I know, but honestly, without paying out for promotions online services (which would bankrupt me!) and giving up my day job to get time to watch I've not really any way of seeing a lot of these promotions.

 

I've got an absolute backlog to do for RWC due to working on Flashpoint (priority) but I'll try to get some time to update what people have suggested/pointed out over the weekend.

[MarslArts]

I'd like to suggest NEW https://www.new-wrestling.de/ as a third promotion for Central Europe. It would make it more complete and any other promotion is just minor at the moment.

 

As always, I can help you with Roster, Titles, Title history and so on

[Winged Hussar]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="alpha2117" data-cite="alpha2117" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hmmm that's a really bad picture of Kellyanne and not really indicative of how she looks now. She definitely isn't carrying those extra pounds.<p> </p><p> She's got a decent all tatted up bad girl look that plenty of people find attractive and sexy too. I wouldn't put her in the upper echelon's myself but she's currently better looking than that pic you posted.</p><p> </p><p> <a href="https://www.facebook.com/pg/kellyannefiendclub/photos/?tab=album&album_id=243191595694113" rel="external nofollow">https://www.facebook.com/pg/kellyannefiendclub/photos/?tab=album&album_id=243191595694113</a></p><p> </p><p> <a href="https://www.facebook.com/kellyannefiendclub/photos/a.779003522112915.1073741825.243191389027467/1876584955688094/?type=3&theater" rel="external nofollow">https://www.facebook.com/kellyannefiendclub/photos/a.779003522112915.1073741825.243191389027467/1876584955688094/?type=3&theater</a></p><p> </p><p> In the Shimmer pic she's better looking than Mia Yim, Zoe Lucas, Veda Scott, Kay Lee Ray & Rhia O'Reilly. Without seeing her in real life up close I have no idea if she is really better looking in real life but in the pic she is.</p><p> </p><p> Personally if you asked me who looks like they would be better in bed Kellyanne or someone like Eva Marie - I am going with Kellyanne.</p><p> </p><p> All these things are subjective. Is Nia Jax sexy? Sorta ... she's a big girl but she's got an attractive face and if you like meat on the bones then I can see how people would think she is sexy. Eva Marie looked like a Barbie Doll and whilst many people find that sexy others find the more plastic look a turn off. Like I said subjective. </p><p> </p><p> With any mod you have to make choices and for Alex Bliss she's a tiny little thing that is amazingly athletic and that's very attractive to many people. It's hard to quantify - the mod maker just has to go with his gut. You are rarely going to get absolute consensus on something subjective like Sex Appeal.</p><p> </p><p> Now Mustafa Ali's and Buddy Murphy's in ring abilities being too low - the last couple of months leading up to them getting a this is awesome chant during the traditionally dead last match on 205 live sums up how good those two are and how insane their chemistry is. Those are things that you can point to a series of matches over a decent period of time to try to prove. 3 months ago though not too many people would have said that either guy was under-rated in ring but now you can make that case pretty easily. By the by I would strongly recommend watching the last few months of 205 live to any wrestling fan because there is just some fantastic work from a bunch of guys who aren't getting nearly enough exposure.</p><p> </p><p> Info for the Mod - Lio Rush was advertised as coming to 205 live so he's being called up to the Main roster shortly</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Sorry for not responding straight away to this, its a tricky thing to respond to. I wanted to write a proper explanation and not just a dismissive one liner because I agree with everything you are trying to say and like the way you put it forward, however I really think you're overthinking it and a little like the other guy using your personal taste as the rating rather than looking at it from the games point of view and a rating from a booker's perspective instead of a fans. If you want me to use an example of my personal taste I find Kelly Kelly very unattractive. I hate her and think shes too skinny, her teeth are fake bleached, her nose is hooked and her face looks squished up and I find 9/10 other female wrestlers better looking that her. HOWEVER there is no point me trying to justify what I like and don't like and for the purposes of a booker communicating to non-wrestling fans Kelly Kelly should clearly have one of the highest ratings in sex appeal in the mod and be 85+. There are other ratings like star quality that can be used as a tool to get girls like Alexa Bliss to be overall appearance wise better than Kelly Kelly. Maybe if you think of the name as "slutty appeal" over "sex appeal" it might help you break your bias.</p><p> </p><p> Also I wasn't going to mention it but you described Alexa Bliss as 'amazingly athletic' and it reminded me why on earth is she 91 athleticism in the mod? Look I get it, we like her... but no... just no lol. That goes beyond extreme fanboyism to actual cringe-worthy disillusion of reality. Check out the main TEW 2005 mod that everyone played to get an idea how to balance out ratings in a way that makes for an amazing playing experience. The top woman in the WWE in athleticism would probably be Shayna Baszler or Ronda Rousey however even they would not get a rating higher than something in the 70s most likely in that classic ratings system the same way as a male wrestler would never get a 95 rating for sex appeal. There are also ratings for stuff like flashiness and high flying yet when people try to justify a top rope move as athletic and boost that up or 'shes got a cute tattoo' as sex appeal you end up with very bland workers in the dataset as they are all so well rounded that there is nothing really to do as a booker.</p><p> </p><p> Lets stop using the women as examples, lets talk about the men. Hulk Hogan, The Rock, Steve Austin should be A+ star Quality, psychology and charisma then kinda average or below average in the ring. CM Punk could maybe justify a B+ at the very highest in star quality (probably lower) but he has awesome ring stats and can put on amazing matches because of his ability. The mistake many mod makers make is when they fanboy out to CM Punk, Daniel Brian or their favorite wrestler and use the logic "I view them as a star therefor they have star quality" or "I'm into Goth chicks more than playboy models so she should have higher sex appeal" not only does it make booking the worker unrealistic but it means there is no reason for someone like Hulk Hogan or the Rock to even exist in the mod because someone else can do their specialty already plus everything else. Also remember this, WWE is in a decline in regards to their talent and there is no worker anywhere in the world that is clearly the next big star. This is actually a good thing though as it means the player should have a difficult yet exciting choice what direction they want to go with their booking. Braun Strowman has the look but lacks ring ability. Kenny Omega has ring ability but lacks star quality. </p><p> </p><p> Anyway I hope that kinda explains it. Sorry if parts came across harsh, its a hard thing to communicate without getting distracted and caught up on individual appearances or individual stats. Its more a general thing about the entire database and making the stats of every worker in the game work together to capture real life and make for a fun experience for the player. </p><p> </p><p> PS: I saw Kellyanne a few weeks ago. I'm not going to make a comment on that though lol.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If you're willing to do that it would be great, thanks. I'll add it and give full credit to you. It's just one of those "I live in the UK" excuses I know, but honestly, without paying out for promotions online services (which would bankrupt me!) and giving up my day job to get time to watch I've not really any way of seeing a lot of these promotions.<p> </p><p> I've got an absolute backlog to do for RWC due to working on Flashpoint (priority) but I'll try to get some time to update what people have suggested/pointed out over the weekend.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It will take me at least a week to do them all properly. I'm probably going to give them on average much lower stats than the other people currently in your database because that's just what I feel they should be when actually playing as these tiny/local companies and to bring their salaries closer to what they really are in real life. So if you want when I'm done you can go in afterwards to their stats and boost them all up 15-30 points across the board to bring them in line with everyone else in your database. The big advantage though is you'll be able to see what each wrestler really is and their traits will be captured properly. For example the high flyers will be high flyers and the giants will be giants. I understand you not knowing them nor do I blame you. Australian wrestling is pretty silly. There are a few hidden gems here but because Australia is so far away from the rest of the world quite a few of them are scared of quitting their other jobs and taking the plunge to travel the world.</p><p> </p><p> Quick Question: What do you do when you don't know a workers age? Do you exclude them or guess?</p>

[alpha2117]

<p>Lexi Kaufmann (Alexa Bliss) is a elite level competitive cheerleader in a previous life - it's actually really tough to compete at the level she did - she's really athletic. She's not Bianca Belair athletic (that girl basically broke every record at the performance centre in any category they put her through)but Alexa's physical capabilities are extremely high.</p><p> </p><p>

We probably shouldn't go in a back and forth debate in Fleisch's thread - lets agree to disagree on those things.</p>

[DatIsraeliGuy]

<p>This last page has been amazingly civil and constructive, it’s very surprising to see that on the internet.</p><p> </p><p>

I’d like to add my perspective on the SA thing: my main issue with it is that I never use sex appeal angles because, you know, I look at women’s wrestling the same as with men, I wanna see good wrestling and/or good characters, not Eva Marie. So I don’t really know how important it is gameplay wise, since Alexa Bliss is being graded more on her entertainment skills. Of course WWE still won’t hire women who don’t look good enough in their eyes (I mean even Paige almost never got hired, ands she’s absolutely gorgeous), but I really think there are other stats that can get overhauled before Sex Appeal like Star Quality.</p><p> </p><p>

Which if I’m already mentioning, two wrestlers I started to really follow are Shane “Swerve” Strickland aka Killshot from Lucha Underground, and Garza Jr.</p><p>

Both are oozing charisma, have Star Quality for days but aren’t really represented in that way in the data. The only reason I came up with was so WWE won’t sign them immediately, but I do think they deserve more Star Quality and Charisma</p>

[Derek B]

<p>There's one thing that I've always thought would be a handy way to help mod makers judge sex appeal, though I don't know if it's possible to set up. Essentially, it would be a site where you can choose which of two people has higher sex appeal.... you'd obviously divide it up so that guys are against guys and girls are against girls.... but the end result would be an approximate ranking of people generated on preferences. With enough different people getting involved (and probably a few different pictures of each person so that one good or bad picture doesn't skew their ranking) you could then have a great way to rate sex appeal.</p><p> </p><p>

There probably is some kind of program out there that could do the work for this, but I don't know of one. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Winged Hussar]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="alpha2117" data-cite="alpha2117" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Lexi Kaufmann (Alexa Bliss) is a elite level competitive cheerleader in a previous life - it's actually really tough to compete at the level she did - she's really athletic. She's not Bianca Belair athletic (that girl basically broke every record at the performance centre in any category they put her through)but Alexa's physical capabilities are extremely high.<p> </p><p> We probably shouldn't go in a back and forth debate in Fleisch's thread - lets agree to disagree on those things.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You're falling into the exact trap that I was talking about before of taking an interesting minor skill/background someone has and going "ZOMG!! they are SOOOOO good! 100/100!" </p><p> </p><p> I know Bliss very well, she one of my favorites among the women. She was division 1 cheerleader at college, nothing more. You could bump it up 1 or 2 letter ratings over people with zero athletic background but thats it, you need to save room for people that are actual athletic beasts like Brock Lesnar. Even Mandy Rose who finished 1st place in the entire world bodybuilder and fitness competition (far above college level) should not be anywhere near a 91 rating Athleticism. Could Mandy be higher than the other women? Sure. Should Mandy be within 20 points of Brock Lesnar? Not a chance lol.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="DatIsraeliGuy" data-cite="DatIsraeliGuy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This last page has been amazingly civil and constructive, it’s very surprising to see that on the internet.<p> </p><p> I’d like to add my perspective on the SA thing: my main issue with it is that I never use sex appeal angles because, you know, I look at women’s wrestling the same as with men, I wanna see good wrestling and/or good characters, not Eva Marie. So I don’t really know how important it is gameplay wise, since Alexa Bliss is being graded more on her entertainment skills. Of course WWE still won’t hire women who don’t look good enough in their eyes (I mean even Paige almost never got hired, ands she’s absolutely gorgeous), but I really think there are other stats that can get overhauled before Sex Appeal like Star Quality.</p><p> </p><p> Which if I’m already mentioning, two wrestlers I started to really follow are Shane “Swerve” Strickland aka Killshot from Lucha Underground, and Garza Jr.</p><p> Both are oozing charisma, have Star Quality for days but aren’t really represented in that way in the data. The only reason I came up with was so WWE won’t sign them immediately, but I do think they deserve more Star Quality and Charisma</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Star Quality is essentially the Walmart test: if they were a regular person walking around would the shoppers in walmart keep staring at them or would they blend right in with the other shoppers and no one notice them. Its very different to charisma. Great Khali for example would get A+ for Star Quality and very low for charisma.</p><p> </p><p> Shane Strickland's star quality is currently a D in the dataset. Its not totally inaccurate, he just looks like a regular dude but it does seem slightly harsh in comparison to many others in the dataset that are overly high. I think he could maybe be pushed up to a C?</p>

[Skummy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Winged Hussar" data-cite="Winged Hussar" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> Its not a deal-breaker and the mod is still great but little stuff like this does make the mod a little bit less immersive as a booker and at times feels a tad fanboyish with such an over the top 97 rating that I really don't think anyone in 2018 should have considering WWE has purposely moved away from utilizing Sex Appeal since the Womens Evolution. It might come down to a little bit of confusion also on what some ratings actually are. The sex appeal rating is often used for determining the success of segments WWE would run in the late 90s and early 2000s like the bikini contests and bra and panties matches. Since the womens evolution thing WWE have moved far away from these types of women so I don't think the current WWE roster should be filled with too many 90+ rated in this category.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> This is an extremely WWE-centric view, though, to say that because one stat isn't relevant to the current product as WWE presents it means that no one should be good at. It would be like rating someone lower on Hardcore ability because WWE went PG. It doesn't take into account that there's a world outside WWE, or that WWE - in real life, or under you as the booker in-game - could change the product settings and revert <em>back </em>to bikini contests and bra and panties matches.</p><p> </p><p> I'm not going to get into a debate on sex appeal beyond that, as it's far too subjective, particularly when I'm not 100% clear on its in-game impact, but the game world has to be looked at holistically, not just "that's not how WWE do it".</p>