dubb93 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 I'm currently in a situation where my Lightweight Champion will not fight ANYONE in his division because they are not well known enough. I haven't built this guy up to be some monster or anything, it's literally Feb 2002 with the default data and it is Sukarno who hasn't had a single fight yet. I get it, he probably would have fought Go Yamamoto or Heikichi (neither of these guys should be challenging for a title right off the bat though), don't really know, since I moved them to WW for a GP. I just feel like I probably shouldn't have a champion not willing to fight anyone and I also probably shouldn't start with the default data and have a champion not willing to fight anyone. Maybe the game should make fights against people ranked in the top 5 turn into mandatory challenges and you can always book them? I think that seems a reasonable fix, I'm not asking Sukarno to fight someone with a career 0-0 record in MMA. I'm trying to get him to fight...well...anyone but he won't accept fights with anyone including Atep, Naizen, Datuk, and Caca which round out my top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revoz Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 I've been running into this issue as well. In the top 10 of certain Gamma weight divisions there is maybe 1 fighter a certain champion would even fight in the early game. I feel like this issue will be less and less prevalent as the game progresses after you have the chance to build up talent but early on it clogs up the division. Another fix might be the ability to incentivize champions with extra money for them to fight lesser known fighters in the top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsoccerpro Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 I like it. Atep only needs one popularity boost before Sukarno will fight him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingster Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="dubb93" data-cite="dubb93" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44769" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Maybe the game should make fights against people ranked in the top 5 turn into mandatory challenges and you can always book them?</div></blockquote><p> That's not how it works in MMA, though. There are no sanctioning bodies for championship titles, a promotion can just make title matches at their own will, go without a champion defending the belt for as long as they want or they can strip them at will, too.</p><p> </p><p> What's happening to you at the moment is exactly what's happening with Conor McGregor in real life right now. Popularity-wise no one is even close to being on Conor's level. And that's why he's probably refusing anyone they put in front of him, therefore holding up a whole division to the point where they are going to have two "undisputed" champions.</p><p> </p><p> The problem you're having is not only realistic, but is also a challenge the game desperately needed in previous versions. </p><p> </p><p> By the way: Have you tried turning on fantasy match making? That might enable you to book the fights you want to make.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="robsoccerpro" data-cite="robsoccerpro" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44769" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I like it. Atep only needs one popularity boost before Sukarno will fight him</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> So a dull dude like Ho will never fight him unless he dominates for years and gets hyped highly? <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirMichaelJordan Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Kingster" data-cite="Kingster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44769" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That's not how it works in MMA, though. There are no sanctioning bodies for championship titles, a promotion can just make title matches at their own will, go without a champion defending the belt for as long as they want or they can strip them at will, too.<p> </p><p> What's happening to you at the moment is exactly what's happening with Conor McGregor in real life right now. Popularity-wise no one is even close to being on Conor's level. And that's why he's probably refusing anyone they put in front of him, therefore holding up a whole division to the point where they are going to have two "undisputed" champions.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>The problem you're having is not only realistic, but is also a challenge the game desperately needed in previous versions. </strong></p><p> </p><p> By the way: Have you tried turning on fantasy match making? That might enable you to book the fights you want to make.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Agree, i think a lot of players would benefit playing with fantasy booking if they don’t like the elements that make you think about potential matchups. The removal of weaker challenger penalty was uneccesary when we have the tools to hype (convince people) the fight back up to its draw if the bout wasn’t for the title and even surpass it if there was heat between the fighters. The game was too easy in the past. I like to believe the game is much more than just a fantasy match maker.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmeat Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Kingster" data-cite="Kingster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44769" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>.<p> What's happening to you at the moment is exactly what's happening with Conor McGregor in real life right now. Popularity-wise no one is even close to being on Conor's level. And that's why he's probably refusing anyone they put in front of him, therefore holding up a whole division to the point where they are going to have two "undisputed" champions.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Exactly the same except that Conor was recently involved in the most profitable PPV event of any kind ever, which was not a MMA fight, and now has about $100 million in the bank. So... not the same at all, really. He's not sitting out because he's too popular, he's sitting out because he has more money than God and doesn't have to do one damn thing he doesn't feel like doing for the rest of his life. I don't believe any character in the 2002 Cornellverse is intended to be in that situation.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubb93 Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Dogmeat" data-cite="Dogmeat" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44769" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Exactly the same except that Conor was recently involved in the most profitable PPV event of any kind ever, which was not a MMA fight, and now has about $100 million in the bank. So... not the same at all, really.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Especially since Sukarno in this situation is just into his ALPHA-1 run, is nowhere near the draw Connor is, and hasn’t made much money at all. He should be at the point of his career where he is focused on making money and building his legacy. Instead he is focused on...well...nothing. He doesn’t want to fight.</p><p> </p><p> And I don’t want to turn on fantasy booking because I enjoy dealing with realistic challenges like guys not wanting to fight people ranked lower, and guys not wanting to fight teammates, and guys refusing hard matchups if they need a win. Fantasy booking would eliminate that.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MainOffender Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="dubb93" data-cite="dubb93" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44769" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Especially since Sukarno in this situation is just into his ALPHA-1 run, is nowhere near the draw Connor is, and hasn’t made much money at all. He should be at the point of his career where he is focused on making money and building his legacy. Instead he is focused on...well...nothing. He doesn’t want to fight.<p> </p><p> And I don’t want to turn on fantasy booking because I enjoy dealing with realistic challenges like guys not wanting to fight people ranked lower, and guys not wanting to fight teammates, and guys refusing hard matchups if they need a win. Fantasy booking would eliminate that.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Dude is 30-0 and a star in Asia and Japan and he should be thinking about building his legacy? He's described in his bio as already legendary. He would want big fights against the best opponents. </p><p> </p><p> I dunno. I'm running into the same issue with Matthew Dean in my GAMMA game and I'm enjoying the challenge. You can try to build up contenders, install an interim champ, look for a super-fight, etc. I like the way it's working. </p><p> </p><p> If you want to get Sukarno to fight without turning on Fantasy Booking, try editing him so he has the Fearless attribute.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubb93 Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 25 of those wins were in the minor leagues though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirMichaelJordan Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 <p>Maybe he’ll fight someone above his weight class? Maybe he hit the lottery and won 100 mil and does have more money than god <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> In the mean time, create an interim title and continue on with the division until he’s ready to play nice.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingster Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Exactly the same except that Conor was recently involved in the most profitable PPV event of any kind ever, which was not a MMA fight, and now has about $100 million in the bank. So... not the same at all, really. He's not sitting out because he's too popular, he's sitting out because he has more money than God and doesn't have to do one damn thing he doesn't feel like doing for the rest of his life. I don't believe any character in the 2002 Cornellverse is intended to be in that situation. And guess why the Mayweather boxing match happened? Exactly, it's because Mayweather's popularity is big enough for McGregor to let himself getting punched in the face. Conor is in a situation where he only accepts fights if he can make tons and tons of money out of it. He can only do this against fighters who help draw that kind of money that he's looking for. And in order to be able to do that, his opponent needs to be popular enough (in his view). Nobody in the UFC is coming close to draw the kind of money McGregor is looking for, which is absolutely a popularity issue. We're talking about prize-fighting after all. I haven't really looked into the Sukarno situation yet and I'm sure it's not 100 % comparable to the "Conor McGregor effect", but the way dubb describes the issue, it's certainly similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsoccerpro Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 I'm sure you can think of some ways around it. I brought in Sigma champ Luis Basora who Sukarno beat in March, while Atep won his fight to tee up the big match between Sukarno and Atep in September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmeat Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 And guess why the Mayweather boxing match happened? Exactly, it's because Mayweather's popularity is big enough for McGregor to let himself getting punched in the face. Conor is in a situation where he only accepts fights if he can make tons and tons of money out of it. He can only do this against fighters who help draw that kind of money that he's looking for. And in order to be able to do that, his opponent needs to be popular enough (in his view). Nobody in the UFC is coming close to draw the kind of money McGregor is looking for, which is absolutely a popularity issue. We're talking about prize-fighting after all. I haven't really looked into the Sukarno situation yet and I'm sure it's not 100 % comparable to the "Conor McGregor effect", but the way dubb describes the issue, it's certainly similar. It's not the same, it's not similar, it's not comparable. Fighters in WMMA don't get paid based on the show's overall revenue. They get paid to fight, to win, and to fulfill bonus criteria, none of which have anything to do with how many people are watching. Trying to draw comparisons between 2018 reality and a simulation of 2002 is pointless. Even the real 2002 was a completely different world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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