Over the Edge - Flashpoint (Alt. Reality Mod Hype)

[smurphy1014]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45327" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Another smaller change to the United States was that NXT was a company Paul Heyman had suggested opening in a conversation with Triple H. A hybrid promotion with a lot more in ring action and a more Indie wrestling feel. Triple H loved the idea and took it to Vince McMahon who gave him the go ahead to open it as the WWE's new development league. Triple H was appointed CEO of NXT , with Heyman acting as the head booker.<p> </p><p> To be continued...</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> <img alt=":eek:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/eek.png.0e09df00fa222c85760b9bc1700b5405.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Count me in among those extremely excited for this mod.</p>

[Fleisch]

Not to get ahead of myself, but I think I can have a "V.1" out by the end of May for this.

[Mattywood]

I for one cannot wait, but at the same time I want you to take your time with it so that it's just as good as your other work.

[DatIsraeliGuy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45327" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Not to get ahead of myself, but I think I can have a "V.1" out by the end of May for this.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <img alt="giphy.gif" data-src="https://media.giphy.com/media/jCq9TrBahbIFG/giphy.gif" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[PhenomenalPat]

Sounds interesting man.

 

I'm curious to see how the Women's landscape is in comparison to current day real world. Is it bigger? Smaller? the same? Do SHIMMER, SHINE, Stardom etc. still exist? No Impact...any other noteworthy companies that don't exist in this world?

 

Looking forward to checking it out to see how this alternate time line played out. Also hoping for a few cool character related changes. Things like Tyler Black toiling away on the indy scene, while Pepper Parks is a well known star for a big company. For example.

 

Good luck man, looking forward to it.

[DHK1989]

Love the Blueprints of Perfection tag team name!

 

Not sure WWE could call them Cruiserweights in real life without the WCW copyright though...

[Jaysin]

Love the Blueprints of Perfection tag team name!

 

Not sure WWE could call them Cruiserweights in real life without the WCW copyright though...

 

WCW didn't invent the term. It's a boxing weight class. Bischoff just used it because it sounded cooler than Light Heavyweight and Junior Heavyweight makes it sound like they're less important.

[Fleisch]

<p>We've seen a few of the company changes, now a few of the worker changes...</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>AJ Styles</strong> stayed with WCW (2001 until present) and became one of the Franchises of the company, he never jumped to the WWE. He did however spend time in Japan at various times between 2014 & 2016 due to the working agreement between NJPW and WCW. He also had a small run with ROH when WCW loaned him to the company in 2003. In 2017, AJ, Luke Gallows & Karl Anderson reformed the nWo faction (nWo: Evolved) and began a feud with Shelton Benjamin & Jake Hager (The former Jack Swagger). During his tenure with WCW he has held the Cruiserweight Title (5 reigns), Tag Team Titles (2 reigns with Christopher Daniels), The United States Title (2 reigns) and the World Heavyweight Title (5 reigns).</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Samoa Joe</strong> also opted for a career with WCW, having some great matches with AJ Styles and Christopher Daniels in the companies attempt to rebuild it's identity. His most notable feud however came when he and J.C. Hennig fought over the WCW United States title, with Hennig beating Joe for the belt in May 2016, only to drop it back to him 4 months later.</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Finn Balor</strong> (who?) That's right, Prince Devitt never made it to the WWE either. Instead he continued with his role as Bullet Club leader in NJPW. He moved up from the Junior Division and began fighting in the Heavyweight class (despite still being one of the smaller guys on the roster). He has held the IWGP Heavyweight title on 2 occasions</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Ted DiBiase Jr.</strong> was an instant hit with Vince McMahon who began building him as a top heel in the company giving him his first World title reign in August 2011. Unfortunately this would only last 1 month before he dropped the belt to John Cena in September that same year. A month later, he would regain the belt, only to drop it after only another month! This time, he lost it to CM Punk. The next 5 years saw DiBiase drop down the card, usually in filler matches. That was until he was given a second chance to prove he could run as a top heel. Having worked on his ability both in the ring and on the mic, his third reign as World Champion would last a little longer (4 months) from September 206 until January 2017, when he lost the belt to his old nemesis, John Cena.</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Roderick Strong</strong> was signed to the WWE (bypassing NXT) in 2016. He made an instant impact when he won the Intercontinental Title on his debut. This was following an open challenge by the Miz to "anyone in the World who thought they had what it took to be a WWE Superstar". This brought the surprise appearance of Strong from the crowd to accept. He would only hold the title 5 weeks before losing the title back to The Miz. His second reign was only slightly longer when once again he defeated the Miz for the title before 2 months later dropping it back to the "A-Lister".</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Cezar Bononi</strong> signed a contract with WCW in 2016 rather than accepting an NXT deal with WWE. He started out as the hired muscle for newcomer, Tony Nese. After a few months however, Bononi became tired of Nese's abuse and knocked his former "boss" out. This made him an instant fan favourite. Afetr a short feud with Nese, Bononi was given an opportunity to wrestle for the United States title when he beat (in an upset some say) Samoa Joe. He then stunned the entire WCW World when he beat James Storm to become the United States champion in March 2018.</p><p> </p><p>

There are a lot more changes (both complete and in the pipeline) but thought I'd share those as they are a few of the bigger surprises (but not all).</p>

[Mattywood]

WCW working with ROH? <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/eek.png.0e09df00fa222c85760b9bc1700b5405.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> And now thanks to you, I want to get more familiar with Cezar Bononi.

[Fleisch]

<p>Some of the stars of Yesteryear... what happened?</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Lex Luger</strong> continued wrestling with WCW until his contract ended in 2002. Neither he nor Savage wanted to renew the deal due to their real life feud surrounding Miss Elizabeth. Luger went on to wrestle for various NWA affiliated promotions, capturing the NWA World Heavyweight title from November 2002 - June 2003, again in October 2003 - April 2004 and finally a one month reign from September 2005 - October 2005. Luger retired in 2006 and 2 years later, both he and Savage mended their relationship, which would see Luger eventually inducted into the WCW Hall of Fame in 2014.</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Booker T</strong> left WCW for the WWE in September 2001. He remained with the WWE until 2007, winning the WWE Hardcore Titile (2 reigns), the WWE World Tag Team titles (3 reigns), the WWE King of the Ring and the WWE Intercontinental Championship. He made a surprise return to WCW in 2007 and eventually retired from in ring action in 2013. He was inducted into the WCW Hall of Fame in 2014. He was inducted again into the WCW Hall of Fame, this time as part of the Harlem Heat Tag Team with his brother Stevie Ray. He is now on the Commentary Team for WCW Thunder alongside Mike Tenay.</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Scott Steiner</strong> stayed with WCW, still wrestling for them occasionally today. He won the tag team titles another 4 times, as well as a United States title reign in 2010. In 2017, he and his brother Rick were inducted into the WCW Hall of Fame tag team wing. In 2015, Scott began taking on a lighter schedule with the company.</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Eddie Guerrero</strong> is currently working for AAA in Mexico as a member of the booking team and wrestles on a limited, part-time basis. He left WWE in 2014 following 2 reigns as their World Champion in Februay 2004 (his real life reign) and December 2009. At that point, Eddie was 47 and looking to wind down his career due to health scares. In 2005, his nephew Chavo, found him unconscious in his hotel room. Eddie was revived by the paramedics and spent 6 months away from the business whilst he recuperated. He was again taken ill in 2013 and doctors told him he should start slowing down and maybe consider retirement. He won the AAA Campeon de Parejas alongside Pentagon Jr in December 2014 with the team holding onto the belts for 10 months. Penta would carry the bulk of the in ring work during their defences, with Eddie getting the "hot tag". Eddie also took Penta under his wing, mentoring him.</p><p> </p><p>

TBC...</p>

[NameUnknownYT]

So, what's the deal with territories? any of them still around? like WWE on east, and WCW on west? or no territories?

[shawn michaels]

This looks like a great mod and I will surely play it. Thanks for this awesome idea. I've always wanted to see a mod based around this exact scenario where Owen lives. One thing though, Vince being how he always was during his entire life, wouldn't he become bitter with Owen for not doing the stunt and job him out instead of him eventually becoming world champion? Just curious of how that part came to happen.

[Fleisch]

Im curious what happened with Chris Benoit & Eddie Guerrero.

 

Also if this mod will match with the Modern Awesome Pic Pack itll be amazing!

 

Currently Eddie is alive with AAA after leaving WWE in 2014. I haven't decided on Chris Benoit yet. Randy Savage & Curt Hennig are also alive in this time line.

 

You may need to get a couple of pictures due to the Modern Awesome pack not having the additional people in but I would say it is 99% compatible as it uses my RWC data as the base.

 

So, what's the deal with territories? any of them still around? like WWE on east, and WCW on west? or no territories?

No. The timeline is pretty much in tact up until 1999. It is only after the event of Owen never doing the stunt that the timeline would change. Everything that happened up until that one point remains the same.

 

This looks like a great mod and I will surely play it. Thanks for this awesome idea. I've always wanted to see a mod based around this exact scenario where Owen lives. One thing though, Vince being how he always was during his entire life, wouldn't he become bitter with Owen for not doing the stunt and job him out instead of him eventually becoming world champion? Just curious of how that part came to happen.

Vince felt that taking away Owens Intercontinental title win that night and giving the belt to Jarrett instead was sufficient punishment - and whilst there was a little tension between the two initially, Vince accepted Owen's explanation afterwards about feeling dizzy and disorientated when performing the stunt previously and didn't want to run the risk of injuring his opponent due to mistiming something based on that feeling. I know Vince does have that bitter streak in him but feel he would accept Owen's reasons for refusing to do the stunt in the end.

[Mattywood]

I obviously can't speak for you, Fleisch, but if you don't mind adding, I could see Vince also coming around & loving Owen for standing up to him if stories about Vince are to be believed.

[phoenixnitro]

<p>Haven't posted on here in quite some time, but this mod hype thread has gotten me hooked. I'm so excited to play this when you drop it.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PhenomenalPat" data-cite="PhenomenalPat" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45327" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> I'm curious to see how the Women's landscape is in comparison to current day real world. Is it bigger? Smaller? the same? Do SHIMMER, SHINE, Stardom etc. still exist? No Impact...any other noteworthy companies that don't exist in this world?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm also curious about this as well, it'll be interesting to see where people went, etc.</p><p> </p><p> I'm practically foaming at the mouth at the possibility of using La Sombra and Eddie Guerrero in the same game for a story down the line with this mod. So many options, so little time. I'm so pumped.</p>

[Fleisch]

<p>I should probably make clear that although there will be changes to this timeline, there will also be things that stay the same. Not all rosters will have huge changes to them so please don't expect a world that is 100% different to this one. Some companies will have a couple of changes, some may have none. The most notable changes will be WWE & NXT with guys who went to NXT in real life actually making careers elsewhere (mainly WCW). There may be a couple of different slots on the roster (for example, Bray Wyatt is a success in this new timeline rather than constantly being beaten, he has risen to great heights). The plug was pulled on the "Roman Empire" following fan backlash so he has slipped into the midcard mix. Things like that.</p><p> </p><p>

I aim to build upon it in the future with employment histories so you can see where people worked previously as well.</p><p> </p><p>

Once released I will be open to ideas (provided they are given in a constructive and adult-like discussion) because I know that others may have a few ideas they may want to see implemented down the line.</p>

[Fleisch]

<p>So for those who want to know what has changed in the womens division, we will start with the biggest change...</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Charlotte Flair</strong> began her career with WCW in 2012 and helped catapult their women's division in 2016. Charlotte had the opportunity to join the ranks of NXT but opted to continue her fathers legacy in WCW instead. She is currently enjoying her 4th reign as women's champion and has had a heated rivalry with our next WCW Women's division competitor...</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Nattie Neidhart</strong> was the first Women's champion in WCW since Devil Masami in 1997. Nattie started out working in the WWE developmental leagues before making her main roster debut in 2008. She would spend 5 years with the company before leaving in 2013. In 2014 Nattie joined the WCW and spent the next 2 years setting the women's division alight with Charlotte Flair, becoming the WCW Women's champion on 3 occasions.</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>AJ Lee</strong> remained one of the WWE's biggest female draws until she left the company in 2015. She took a bit of a hiatus from the ring before turning up as April Lee in Stardom in 2017! She had been living in Japan for a couple of years with her husband, CM Punk (that stories coming soon) and decided to step back in the ring when she realised just how much she missed competing.</p><p> </p><p>

TBC...</p>

[Fleisch]

<p><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">The United Kingdom - the bigger changes</span></strong></p><p> </p><p>

So what changed in the UK? WoS re-opened, and NWA UK: Hammerlock never closed. </p><p> </p><p>

WoS was bought by John Chapman who initially only wanted to use the tape library when he saw that British wrestling was on it's way back. He figured investing now would make him huge profits in the future, however there was so much talk on the internet about WoS Wrestling making a comeback, he decided to hold a "One Off" show in 2005. The show was such a success that he decided to bring the company back full time after ITV, agreed to air a weekly show due (in part) to them owning the World of Sport name (Chapman was allowed to use the WoS Wrestling name and tape library but could not take the company to say the BBC to air). Their first show back on TV was headlined by Doug Williams vs. Drew McDonald to crown the WoS British Heavyweight Champion. The card also saw Alex Shane defeat Johnny Storm, Mark Sloan defeat Andy Simmonz and Jody Fleisch defeat Jimmy Havoc.</p><p> </p><p>

NWA UK: Hammerlock stayed open, even after the death of owner Andre Baker. Both Danny Garnell and current CEO Johnny Kidd help run the company and have remained a part of the NWA. The company almost closed down in 2015, however they were saved at the 11th hour by an unknown backer who took the company over. In April 2017, Fergal "Prince" Devitt made a couple of appearances for the company, winning the United Kingdom Heavyweight title from Joel Masters before dropping it back to him and heading back to Japan. Jimmy Havoc is currently enjoying his third reign as NWA United Kingdom Heavyweight champion after beating Naoki Tanizaki for the title in February 2018.</p>

[RayW]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45327" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">The United Kingdom - the bigger changes</span></strong><p> </p><p> ...</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Fleisch in this alternate reality what happened to FWA? Does it not rebrand in 1999 to Frontier instead of Fratton and fade away, or is still chugging along?</p>

[Genking]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45327" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> Jimmy Havoc is currently enjoying his third reign as NWA United Kingdom Heavyweight champion after beating <strong>Naoki Tanizaki</strong> for the title in February 2018.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <strong><em>Mr. Kyu Kyu Naoki Tanizaki Toyonaka Dolphin!?</em></strong> <img alt=":eek:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/eek.png.0e09df00fa222c85760b9bc1700b5405.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[LordofGustav]

<p>With the announcement of how things are doing in NWA: Hammerlock i have the assume that in this continuity Billy Corgan never bought the NWA at all.</p><p> </p><p>

Is the NWA still a loose group of small wrestling companies or does it have a flagship promotion like good ol' days of Jim Crockett Promotions?</p>

[Mattywood]

It goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway. With each update, I get more pumped up and look even more forward to this being released. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> I like that Nattie got some love here in this timeline.

[Fleisch]

Fleisch in this alternate reality what happened to FWA? Does it not rebrand in 1999 to Frontier instead of Fratton and fade away, or is still chugging along?

 

FWA in this timeline followed the same history and went out of business as they did in real life. It wasn't a decision I made easily because they were my favourite promotion at one point. I saw them live numerous times but needed an NWA affiliate in UK and had already re-opened WoS Wrestling.

 

With the announcement of how things are doing in NWA: Hammerlock i have the assume that in this continuity Billy Corgan never bought the NWA at all.

 

Is the NWA still a loose group of small wrestling companies or does it have a flagship promotion like good ol' days of Jim Crockett Promotions?

 

Nope. No Billy Corgan buyout. They have a couple (well, 3) promotions under their alliance. Hammerlock, Innovate Pro Wrestling and Absolute Intense Wrestling. I had toyed with the idea of running ROH as their flagship but nixed the idea and kept the NJPW World alliance alive (NJPW, CMLL, ROH, RevPro and WCW). Bringing Zero-1 back into the NWA is also a possibility I may think about and adding Northern Championship Wrestling in Canada to the NWA.

 

Right now, there are still a thousand ideas floating around in my head. I'm just best determining which I will use as I'm going along and how they best fit the narrative.

[Larrikn]

What's bigger globally in game NJPW or WCW?

[RayW]

FWA in this timeline followed the same history and went out of business as they did in real life. It wasn't a decision I made easily because they were my favourite promotion at one point. I saw them live numerous times but needed an NWA affiliate in UK and had already re-opened WoS Wrestling.

 

That's a shame. FWA were a favourite of mine in the early 2000's (I actually RP'ed in e-Fed's as your namesake a few times haha). Well hopefully guys like Alex Shane, Jody Fleish, Jonny Storm, The Familia, New Breed, etc. are all having success in WoS and Hammerlock. I'm looking forward to tackling the UK scene.