stebbinsd Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 What does this system do? How does it affect gameplay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peria Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 <p>I believe it's an AI feature only. Don't quote me on that part. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> But a Young Lion is somebody who graduated a Dojo in Japan recently. They wear black trunks and nothing else, and are given a limited moveset. They are "jobbers" in a way. They aren't meant to win. They are meant to learn. Kazuchika Okada, Shinsuke Nakamura, and pretty much everyone was once a Young Lion in Japan at one point. It's a Japanese only feature.</p><p> </p><p> What isn't represented in this game well is excursion. A young lion after some time, grows a bit, is allowed a varied skillset, and then goes on an excursion to hone their gimmick.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayelek Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 I haven't played Japan in a while, but if I recall correctly, when I was, people who aren't Young Lions were very unhappy about losing to them as well. Also people are no longer Young Lions after a certain age, or hitting a certain score in the Respect stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapa42 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 <p>Pretty much what has been said - younger Japanese workers who don't have a certain level of Respect yet. So fans don't want to see them get wins, because they haven't "earned" that yet. They eat pins, whether its in singles, as the younger guy in a tag team, or even as the fall-guy in a group. </p><p> </p><p> I believe they can get wins over other young lions without fans getting upset, but since they are usually at the bottom of the card in terms of push.....</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CX1329 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 They don't have to be jobbers, though, and you can give them pushes without any negative consequences if you do it right. I don't use my young lions like New Japan does. On the contrary, I have a couple of young lions in my promotion that I've been pushing to the moon, so they have ultra high momentum and rarely lose. Just stick them in a tag or multi-man team along with a veteran and have the veteran do the pinning, or have them pin other young lions. The way I've been building them, as soon as my top young lions become veterans themselves, they will be ready to contend for the heavyweight title right off the bat. In my game, they even lead their respective stables, cut promos and feud against other YLs. The only thing you can't do is have a YL directly pin a veteran, but other than that everything is fair game. I've never incurred a single penalty booking this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieRock Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rayelek" data-cite="Rayelek" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I haven't played Japan in a while, but if I recall correctly, when I was, people who aren't Young Lions were very unhappy about losing to them as well. Also people are no longer Young Lions after a certain age, or hitting a certain score in the Respect stat.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I play a Canadian company. Some of my workers have the YL tag. Are they the same?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapa42 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="CharlieRock" data-cite="CharlieRock" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I play a Canadian company. Some of my workers have the YL tag. Are they the same?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> No. That's just telling you that they would be young lions if you were in a Japanese company with a product that takes them into account. </p><p> </p><p> The Young Lion system can be activated for other game areas in the pre-game Editor. But by default in the Cverse and almost every mod, its Japan only.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peria Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Bigpapa42" data-cite="Bigpapa42" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>No. That's just telling you that they would be young lions if you were in a Japanese company with a product that takes them into account. <p> </p><p> The Young Lion system can be activated for other game areas in the pre-game Editor. But by default in the Cverse and almost every mod, its Japan only.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Does any other region use the Young Lion system? The only other area I could think of is the UK but that's because my knowledge of PROGRESS and such is extremely limited.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Pretty much only Japan and even then, not even every promotion in Japan. It seems like over the last decade or so most of the highlight wrestlers really started headlining when they would most likely be considered YLs in TEW. Think about Tyler Bate or Trevor Lee who were major stars on the indies before the age of 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icecold Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Pretty much only Japan and even then, not even every promotion in Japan. It seems like over the last decade or so most of the highlight wrestlers really started headlining when they would most likely be considered YLs in TEW. Think about Tyler Bate or Trevor Lee who were major stars on the indies before the age of 20. Nah it kinda became every promotion in Japan to an extent... You can argue the downfall of dragon gate is based on an addition of a young lion system... Millennials era onward, not a single one has been Dream Gate champion, where previously Dragon Gate was all about generations and young guys coming up quick to legit main eventers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I don’t think that’s about young lions as much as it is that for so long they’ve had generations on top of generations of top talent constantly rising, to where it’s simply overwhelming. They have a bunch of guys who’ve been stars for years but they also are far from old and the result is a logjam where there’s no turnover, but guys like Shingo have been around forever but are still in their prime, so there’s no real reason to move them (even then Shingo has been going outside of DG just because of this fact I feel). I wouldn’t contribute that to a young lion system at all. Senority is 99% surely a factor but it’s a bit more complex than just they are YLs so they can’t be true main events. You can argue it’s hesitation and/or complacency on management, not a system. They wouldn’t even be put in prime spots to begin with if that was the case (such as T Hawk’s many main events or Big R being featured prominently). Not winning the featured matches they are put in at a young age doesn’t mean it’s because of YL. On the other hand BJW has pushed Daichi Hashimoto to the top pretty fast despite age, DDT is basically the old dragon gate with tons of young guys being pushed. Takeshita has a very long run as the top champion at age 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashasheen Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Depends on the company in Japan, really. AJPW's roster is so thin that any young lion they graduate (which isn't many and is apparently intentional I'm told), gets a significant amount of attention and opportunity. Meanwhile, NJPW's roster is so thick that young lions get their own shows (Lion's Gate), work openers for years and then spend even more years abroad without NJPW missing a step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieRock Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Bigpapa42" data-cite="Bigpapa42" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>No. That's just telling you that they would be young lions if you were in a Japanese company with a product that takes them into account. <p> </p><p> The Young Lion system can be activated for other game areas in the pre-game Editor. But by default in the Cverse and almost every mod, its Japan only.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thanks! <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_Black Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 It's also more likely that a wrestler with the young lion tag will pick up a mentor than a wrestler the same age without that tag will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryland Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Matt_Black" data-cite="Matt_Black" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It's also more likely that a wrestler with the young lion tag will pick up a mentor than a wrestler the same age without that tag will.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> NB This is incorrect.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stebbinsd Posted June 19, 2018 Author Share Posted June 19, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Peria" data-cite="Peria" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>But a Young Lion is somebody who graduated a Dojo in Japan recently. They wear black trunks and nothing else, and are given a limited moveset. They are "jobbers" in a way. They aren't meant to win. They are meant to learn. Kazuchika Okada, Shinsuke Nakamura, and pretty much everyone was once a Young Lion in Japan at one point. It's a Japanese only feature.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Do they also have to go through the North American process of paying their dues? E.g. doing the menial work, carrying veterans' bags, assembling and disassembling the ring and equipment, etc.?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gungner Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Does any other region use the Young Lion system? The only other area I could think of is the UK but that's because my knowledge of PROGRESS and such is extremely limited. I would think it would be disabled in the editor, but doen't ROH use Young Lions as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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