[RELEASE] Shifting Sands

alpha2117 · January 2, 2019

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mammoth" data-cite="Mammoth" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45924" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Consequences Creed has been added to my "To Add" list. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> This has been brought to my attention before by smartman but for me it's always been simulated well. This is what I said then and I still stand by it: "I'm comfortable with where WWE and TNA sit, because TNA were probably at there peak at this time (really challenging WWE for the very first (and some might say only) time) and WWE had come down after the end of the Monday Night Wars. As you say, both could easily climb up another level so that hopefully stops any sort of problems, as does the brand split. Like all of my modifications, I like that sense of balancing on a fine rope leaving the player not exactly sure what's going to happen next." Like in many modifications, World Wrestling Entertainment was the starting point so it was completed very early in development so I am due to revise it. Therefore, I'm not saying something won't change, but I'm still ultimately happy with it/how it simulates. Robbie Eagles, Jessie McKay, KC Cassidy, Matt Silva, The Basso Brothers, Kellie Skater, Mike Kruel, Milena Roucka, Vladimir Koslov, Shawn Spears, Cody Runnels, Lindsay Kay Howard and Tetsuya Naito are already added to my "To Add" list after your previous post. This is part of my reply to your previous post: "Anthony Carelli (and his alter ego "Boris Alexiev") is already part of the modification but as far as I'm aware, he wasn't technically signed to Ohio Valley Wrestling at the start of January, 2006 and was simply training with them after the altercation with Jim Cornette. I believe he was resigned a few days/weeks later. And I haven't added Muhammad Hassan because although there were rumours he was to appear elsewhere, he'd basically become so disenchanted with professional wrestling after his release from the 'E that he'd pretty much made up his mind to retire. I'm not going to rule him out of appearing in future because I'd personally like to see what could have been myself, but it's something I'm going to have to consider because as much as I love the "what if's" of my modifications, if he'd already made up his mind by the time Shifting Sands starts, I don't want to alter it too much." /QUOTE] With the WWE the issue is that only the Rock is considered a draw of all the active wrestlers in the US. That's a bit unrealistic. I'm all for the mod not having people being OP but with the pop how it is I cant see a realistic way the WWE can get to where it is today. Trips, Taker, Michaels, Batista etc are pretty much draws at this point in time as would be Sting and probably Flair & Hogan. I'm fine with nobody being above the draw level but there's basically nobody other than the Rock & Austin who can draw a crowd and that feels under the real world at the time. It's one o those difficult balancing acts which just feels like it's tipped a little too far one way at the moment. With Carelli he had already come back to OVW in Oct 05 under Heyman and debuted Oct 29 teaming with Idol Stevens against Chet & Cage. He makes a tv debut in April 06 but had been working for 6 months on their house show circuit. So he was definitely back with OVW when Shifiting Sands starts. With Copani I understand your point but I agree with hailthebulldog having him On Hiatus would make sense. The beauty of mods like this is being able to play out history differently and the possibility of him returning to wrestling in 06 rather than 18 is something people want to try. I'd actually probably say the same with Stacy Keibler being set as a retired wrestler- she was in the real world on the way out but actually still under contract at this point and had thing played out differently she could well have returned to an in ring role. Those two were in a state of flux at this point in time where in the real world they basically left the biz but probably could have returned to action had things played out slightly differently. I understand if you don't want to do that but I think it's a lost opportunity mod wise. Love the mod.</div></blockquote>

InsaneDragon2k7 · January 2, 2019

Mammoth Is There Anyway You Can Put This Logo On Your Logo Background For Me!

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hailthebulldog · January 2, 2019

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="InsaneDragon2k7" data-cite="InsaneDragon2k7" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45924" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Mammoth Is There Anyway You Can Put This Logo On Your Logo Background For Me! <a href="https://wrestlingcovers.weebly.com/uploads/1/5/2/0/15208822/ispw-logo_orig.jpg" rel="external nofollow">https://wrestlingcovers.weebly.com/uploads/1/5/2/0/15208822/ispw-logo_orig.jpg</a></div></blockquote> Here's my attempt at the logo.<a class="ipsAttachLink ipsAttachLink_image" href="<fileStore.core_Attachment>/monthly_2019_01/ispw-logo_orig.jpg.90751743f1ba84d364266be62a3a9499.jpg" data-fileid="3474" data-fileext="jpg" rel=""><img data-fileid="3474" class="ipsImage ipsImage_thumbnailed" alt="ispw-logo_orig.jpg.90751743f1ba84d364266be62a3a9499.jpg" data-src="<fileStore.core_Attachment>/monthly_2019_01/ispw-logo_orig.jpg.90751743f1ba84d364266be62a3a9499.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></a>

InsaneDragon2k7 · January 3, 2019

Thanks Bulldog It Looks Good.....I Am Happy With It!!!

hailthebulldog · January 3, 2019

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="InsaneDragon2k7" data-cite="InsaneDragon2k7" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45924" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Thanks Bulldog It Looks Good.....I Am Happy With It!!!</div></blockquote> No problem man.

LigerLiger · January 3, 2019

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Lukkearthur" data-cite="Lukkearthur" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45924" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You might want to take a look at restrictions on titles, Tyson Tomko just won the WWE Womens title during my indy save.</div></blockquote> It's actually his sister, Tysona Tomka.

Bonafide_Bluffa · January 3, 2019

are there any plans to add more yet to debut workers?

Mammoth · January 3, 2019

I don't want to give you false hope. I've barely played the mod. Running a whopping 2 days of a TNA game (so no shows yet) and 10 days into a Sex Appeal women's fed like I loved in iDOL's mod in 13. Just in one of my unmotivated to really play TEW phases that I go through at times. This game is great but it has always had the one fatal flaw of you really need to be in the zone playing it daily. Otherwise, you stare at the ginormous mountain you need to climb (16's reduction of pop gains didn't help here) and go meh, I'll play another game instead.

I would say that the charisma on the women is quite low. If 50 is average (it's not but since a lot of people think it is, I'll roll with it for this example), there are a ton of people that are charisma vacuums (not Jake Strong-sized ones as his should be -100 in any RW mod).

Sure, I'll take a look at the women's charisma. I haven't got TEW in front of me but I wouldn't be surprised if some of them are slightly low because I really concentrated on making those that deserve it credible wrestlers and may have slightly misjudged their entertainment skills.

You might want to take a look at restrictions on titles, Tyson Tomko just won the WWE Womens title during my indy save.

Are you sure you're using the updated data? This was a problem in the previous version but I'm pretty sure I corrected this in the update.

With the WWE the issue is that only the Rock is considered a draw of all the active wrestlers in the US. That's a bit unrealistic. I'm all for the mod not having people being OP but with the pop how it is I cant see a realistic way the WWE can get to where it is today. Trips, Taker, Michaels, Batista etc are pretty much draws at this point in time as would be Sting and probably Flair & Hogan. I'm fine with nobody being above the draw level but there's basically nobody other than the Rock & Austin who can draw a crowd and that feels under the real world at the time. It's one o those difficult balancing acts which just feels like it's tipped a little too far one way at the moment.

With Carelli he had already come back to OVW in Oct 05 under Heyman and debuted Oct 29 teaming with Idol Stevens against Chet & Cage. He makes a tv debut in April 06 but had been working for 6 months on their house show circuit. So he was definitely back with OVW when Shifiting Sands starts.

With Copani I understand your point but I agree with hailthebulldog having him On Hiatus would make sense. The beauty of mods like this is being able to play out history differently and the possibility of him returning to wrestling in 06 rather than 18 is something people want to try. I'd actually probably say the same with Stacy Keibler being set as a retired wrestler- she was in the real world on the way out but actually still under contract at this point and had thing played out differently she could well have returned to an in ring role. Those two were in a state of flux at this point in time where in the real world they basically left the biz but probably could have returned to action had things played out slightly differently. I understand if you don't want to do that but I think it's a lost opportunity mod wise.

Love the mod.

You make valid points and I'll re-look at Anthony Carelli and Muhammad Hassan. Stacy Keibler is less likely but I may give her a once over... which sounds way kinkier than I intended.

Mammoth Is There Anyway You Can Put This Logo On Your Logo Background For Me!

https://wrestlingcovers.weebly.com/uploads/1/5/2/0/15208822/ispw-logo_orig.jpg

I would have gladly done it if hailthebulldog hadn't already done so, which reminds me; if anyone has any graphic requests for Shifting Sands, then simply ask and I'll be happy to help.

are there any plans to add more yet to debut workers?

Yeah, my "To Do List" currently looks like this:

"Robbie Eagles, Jessie McKay, KC Cassidy, Matt Silva, The Basso Brothers, Kellie Skater, Mike Kruel, Milena Roucka, Vladimir Koslov (protege of Jerry Jarrett), Shawn Spears, Cody Runnels, Lindsay Kay Howard, Tetsuya Naito, Takaaki Watanabe, Hiromu Takahashi, Sho Tanaka, Yohei Komatsu, Yujiro Kushida, Ted DiBiase Jr. (and his brothers), Barry Charalambous (mentor of T-Bone and Spud), Scott Savage (best friend with Lincoln Steen and fighting chemistry), Peter Collins (related to Danny Collins), Ryota Hama, Ricochet, Joey Hayes (best friends with Damon Leigh and friends with Heresy Brannigan), Heresy Brannigan (friends with Damon Leigh), Thoruf Marius, Roman Reigns, Paul Bearer, Johnny Gargano, Ashley Sixx (friends with Michael Elgin), Kris Travis (teaming chemistry with Martin Kirby), Humberto Garza Jr. (dating Sexy Star), Mike Sydal, Joe Hennig, Amy Hennig, El Espanto Jr., Ayako Hamada, Mini Psicosis, Bad Boy Hido, Pirata Morgan Jr., KAORU, Sakura Hirota, Mayumi Ozaki, Io Shirai, Arisa Nakajima, Syuri, Hikaru Shida, Misaki Ohata, Sareee, Konami, Consequences Creed, Ophidian, Amasis, Fenix, Penta, Tyler Breeze, Tenille Dashwood, Pete Dunne, Angel de Oro, Marty Scrull, Nick Aldis, Seiya Sanada, WALTER, Zack Sabre Jr., Alicia Fox, Chuck Taylor, Hayato Jr., Fujita, Jessicka Havok, Michaeal Dante, Mustafa Ali, Niebla Roja, Swoggle, Cat Power, Curt Hawkins, Zack Ryder, Shane Haste, Mikey Nicholls, Timothy Thatcher, Tomasso Ciampa, Fuka, Ice Cream Jr., El Hijo del Ice Cream, Micheal Hutter, Heath Slater, Maryse Ouellet, Jake Hagar, Johnny Curtis, PJ Black, Ryan Tran, Stu Bennett, Ray Leppan and 2 Face (best friend with HATE).

PROMOTIONS: NEO Ladies, JD Star, Ice Ribbon, Stardom and All Japan Women’s Pro-Wrestling.

Art Barr (AAA H.o.F) (1 Minor Title & 6 Headliners)

Doug Chevalier (BCW H.o.F) (1 Main Title, Owner & ???)

Mickey Doyle (BCW H.o.F) (2 Main Titles & ???)

Otis Apollo (BCW H.o.F) (5 Minor Titles & ???)

Nick Mondo (CZW H.o.F) (4 Minor Titles, 1 Main Title & ???)

Seiji Sakaguchi (NJPW H.o.F) (1 Main Title, 5 Minor Title & ???)

Kantaro Hoshino (NJPW H.o.F) (No Titles & ???)

Shoji Kai (NJPW H.o.F) (No Titles & ???)

Kuniaki Kobayashi (NJPW H.o.F) (2 Minor Titles & ???)

Black Cat (NJPW H.o.F) (No Titles & ???)

Don Arakawa (NJPW H.o.F) (No Titles & ???)

Pat McGill (Stampede H.o.F) (No Titles & ???)

Czaya Nandor (Stampede H.o.F) (3 Main Titles, 1 Minor Title & ???)

Archie Gouldie (Stampede H.o.F) (13 Main Titles & ???)

Joe Tomasso (Stampede H.o.F) (4 Minor Titles & ???)

Geoff Portz (Stampede H.o.F) (4 Main Titles, 1 Minor Title & ???)

Les Thornton (Stampede H.o.F) (2 Main Titles, 2 Minor Titles & ???)

Leo Burke (Stampede H.o.F) (6 Minor Titles, 7 Main Titles & ???)

Little Beaver (Stampede H.o.F) (No Titles & ???)

Sandy Scott (Stampede H.o.F) (12 Minor Titles & ???)

Brian Pillman (Stampede H.o.F) (2 Minor Titles & ???)

Jack Taylor (Stampede H.o.F) (None)

Jim Wright (Stampede H.o.F) (6 Minor Titles & ???)

Ski Hi Lee (Stampede H.o.F) (4 Minor Titles & ???)

Waldo Von Erich (Stampede H.o.F) (3 Main Titles & ???)

Stan Stasiak (Stampede H.o.F) (7 Main Titles & ???)

George Gordienko (Stampede H.o.F) (2 Main Titles, 1 Minor Title & ???)

Angelo Mosca (Stampede H.o.F) (2 Main Titles & ???)

Kazuo Sakurada (Stampede H.o.F) (2 Main Titles, 3 Minor Titles & ???)

Dan Kroffat (Stampede H.o.F) (5 Main Titles, 4 Minor Titles & ???)

Davey Boy Smith (Stampede H.o.F) (2 Main Titles, 5 Minor Titles & ???)

Duke Myers (Stampede H.o.F) (1 Main Title, 7 Minor Titles & ???)

Larry Cameron (Stampede H.o.F) (1 Main Title & ???)

Al Mills (Stampede H.o.F) (3 Minor Titles, 5 Main Titles & ???)

Rube Wright (Stampede H.o.F) (None)

Luther Lindsay (Stampede H.o.F) (1 Main Title, 2 Minor Titles & ???)

Chief Thunderbird (Stampede H.o.F) (None)

Ilio DiPaolo (Stampede H.o.F) (1 Minor Title & ???)

Tex McKenzie (Stampede H.o.F) (1 Minor Title & ???)

Dave Ruhl (Stampede H.o.F) (9 Main Titles, 1 Minor Title & ???)

Tor Kamata (Stampede H.o.F) (3 Main Titles, 1 Minor Title & ???)

Mr. Hito (Stampede H.o.F) (8 Minor Titles, 2 Main Titles & ???)

Sky Low Low (Stampede H.o.F) (None)

Penny Banner (Stampede H.o.F) (None)

J.R. Foley (Stampede H.o.F) (None)

Keith Hart (Stampede H.o.F) (10 Minor Titles & ???)

Owen Hart (Stampede H.o.F) (2 Main Titles, 2 Minor Titles & ???)

David Schultz (Stampede H.o.F) (3 Main Titles & ???)

Kerry Brown (Stampede H.o.F) (1 Main Title, 5 Minor Titles & ???)

Mr. Wrestling II (WCW H.o.F) (None)

Ole Anderson (WCW H.o.F) (10 Minor Titles & ???)

Angelo Poffo (WCW H.o.F) (None)

Big John Studd (WCW & WWE H.o.F) (None) (1 Minor Title & ???)

Mad Cow (wXw H.o.F) (1 Main Title, 3 Minor Titles & ???)

Arnold Skaaland (WWE H.o.F) (1 Minor Title & ???)

Chief Jay Strongbow (WWE H.o.F) (4 Minor Titles & ???)

James Dudley (WWE H.o.F) (None)

George Steele (WWE H.o.F) (???)

Ivan Putski (WWE H.o.F) (1 Minor Title & ???)

The Grand Wizard (WWE H.o.F) (None)

Pedro Morales (WWE H.o.F) (4 Minor Titles, 1 Main Title & ???)

Mikel Scicluna (WWE H.o.F) (2 Minor Titles & ???)

Johnny Rodz (WWE H.o.F) (None)

Jimmy & Johnny Valiant (WWE H.o.F) (1 Minor Title & ???)

Don Muraco (WWE H.o.F) (2 Minor Titles & ???)

Jesse Ventura (WWE H.o.F) (None)

Junkyard Dog (WWE H.o.F) (None)

Paul Orndorff (WWE H.o.F) (???)

Nikolai Volkoff (WWE H.o.F) (3 Minor Titles & ???)

Iron Sheik (WWE H.o.F) (1 Main Title, 1 Minor Title & ???)

Gene Okerlund (WWE H.o.F) (None)

Sensational Sherri (WWE H.o.F) (None)

Blackjack Mulligan & Blackjack Lanza (WWE H.o.F) (1 Minor Title & None)

Curt Hennig (WWE H.o.F) (2 Minor Titles & ???)

Mr. Fuji (WWE H.o.F) (5 Minor Titles & None)

Peter Maivia (WWE H.o.F) (None)

Rocky Johnson (WWE H.o.F) (1 Minor Title & None)

Howard Finkel (WWE H.o.F) (None)

Koko B. Ware (WWE H.o.F) (None)

David Von Erich (WWE H.o.F) (None)

Kerry Von Erich (WWE H.o.F) (1 Minor Title & None)

Mike Von Erich (WWE H.o.F) (None)

Chris Von Erich (WWE H.o.F) (None)

Wendi Richter (WWE H.o.F) (None)

Sunny (WWE H.o.F) (None)

Paul Ellering (WWE H.o.F) (None)

Yokozuna (WWE H.o.F) (2 Main Titles, 2 Minor Titles & ???)

James J. Dillon (WWE H.o.F) (None)

Paul Bearer (WWE H.o.F) (None)

Alundra Blayze (WWE H.o.F) (None)

Luke Williams & Butch Miller (WWE H.o.F) (None)

The Godfather (WWE H.o.F) (2 Minor Titles & None)

Big Boss Man (WWE H.o.F) (5 Minor Titles & ???)

Michael Hayes & Jimmy Garvin (WWE H.o.F) (None)

Rick Rude (WWE H.o.F) (1 Minor Title & ???)

Ivory (WWE H.o.F) (3 Minor Titles & None)

Hillbilly Jim (WWE H.o.F) (No Titles & ???)"

And I've just recently this morning completed OZ Academy, which is who I started my joshi puroresu revolution with. xD There's probably going to be loads more I come across that I want to add (not least a small Mexican promotion to compete with the "big two" and a couple of promotions in Australia) but for now, that's my complete list.

Lukkearthur · January 4, 2019

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mammoth" data-cite="Mammoth" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45924" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> Are you sure you're using the updated data? This was a problem in the previous version but I'm pretty sure I corrected this in the update. </div></blockquote> I downloaded the data off page one in the initial post, is that still the most recent data?

Mammoth · January 5, 2019

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Lukkearthur" data-cite="Lukkearthur" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45924" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I downloaded the data off page one in the initial post, is that still the most recent data?</div></blockquote> Oops. No, there's been a more recent update which you can find by <a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2325322&postcount=99" rel="external nofollow">clicking here.</a> I totally forgot to update the opening post and will do so now so thanks for actually pointing that out. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

LigerLiger · January 5, 2019

- Hiroshi Hase should probably have Strong Dislike or Hatred with Kensuke Sasaki.

- Kei Sato has a tag team with Shu El Guerrero instead of Shu Sato

- The cut-off weight for Junior titles is better off as Lightweight rather than Middleweight. As it stands guys like Kojima, Chono and Misawa would be elligible to win junior titles, for example.

Lukkearthur · January 5, 2019

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mammoth" data-cite="Mammoth" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45924" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Oops. No, there's been a more recent update which you can find by <a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2325322&postcount=99" rel="external nofollow">clicking here.</a> I totally forgot to update the opening post and will do so now so thanks for actually pointing that out. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote> No worries man, thought it was just me.

MarslArts · January 8, 2019

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mammoth" data-cite="Mammoth" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45924" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Oops. No, there's been a more recent update which you can find by <a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2325322&postcount=99" rel="external nofollow">clicking here.</a> I totally forgot to update the opening post and will do so now so thanks for actually pointing that out. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote> Okay, so my suggestions were based on the older version then xD

Luume · January 9, 2019

Don't know if I'm looking for the wrong names but I can seem to find the Young Bucks anywhere in the database?

Mammoth · January 12, 2019

- Hiroshi Hase should probably have Strong Dislike or Hatred with Kensuke Sasaki.

- Kei Sato has a tag team with Shu El Guerrero instead of Shu Sato

- The cut-off weight for Junior titles is better off as Lightweight rather than Middleweight. As it stands guys like Kojima, Chono and Misawa would be elligible to win junior titles, for example.

I've added the suggested relationship and fixed the tag team issue, thanks.

I haven't got TEW in front of me but I can imagine the reason I've set a lot of the Junior Championships as Middleweight is because setting it at Lightweight would mean leaving a lot of workers out. I can't speak for anyone else, but I prefer to have as many potential possibilities as possible rather than limiting myself because lets face it, real world promotions fudge height and weight so they can push people they like, and they don't stick to their own weight limits. I remember a few people suggested I lower the weight of the Cruiserweight Championship upon initial release but I argued my point on that too. Unless size limits are altered in TEW 2020 to give you something that lies between the Lightweight and Middleweight options, it's going to remain the same I'm afraid.

Okay, so my suggestions were based on the older version then xD

They still work, so don't worry about it.

Don't know if I'm looking for the wrong names but I can seem to find the Young Bucks anywhere in the database?

No, they aren't currently in the database but they're now on my "To Add" list.

alpha2117 · January 13, 2019

So I have played 8 months of my draft fed now and can confirm the US pop of the top workers needs to be looked at. The Mexican cult fed got 23000 people and a US cult fed struggles to get 10000 with a loaded card for an Event and no fed higher than cult in competition most shows are lucky to hit 5000.

One US talent is at draw level The Rock assuming you don't count retired Steve Austin meaning it must be a nightmare for the WWE in SS as I can't imagine getting many successful shows or keep tv execs happy. Japan and Mexico get great crowds but not so US.

I am having fun because I can game the system but for anyone playing he base mod I can't imagine TNA, ROH or WWE offer much beyond a nightmarish hard grind.

Larrikn · January 16, 2019

Any chance we could get some more alt cuts for people when/if there's a next update? Thanks!

Mammoth · January 16, 2019

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="alpha2117" data-cite="alpha2117" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45924" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So I have played 8 months of my draft fed now and can confirm the US pop of the top workers needs to be looked at. The Mexican cult fed got 23000 people and a US cult fed struggles to get 10000 with a loaded card for an Event and no fed higher than cult in competition most shows are lucky to hit 5000. One US talent is at draw level The Rock assuming you don't count retired Steve Austin meaning it must be a nightmare for the WWE in SS as I can't imagine getting many successful shows or keep tv execs happy. Japan and Mexico get great crowds but not so US. I am having fun because I can game the system but for anyone playing he base mod I can't imagine TNA, ROH or WWE offer much beyond a nightmarish hard grind.</div></blockquote> I personally don't mind it being a struggle as that's pretty much what I wanted from Shifting Sands to reflect what it was like in real life at the time. However, as I've said before, WWE (and ROH and TNA) are all due for review so you may see some changes anyway. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Larrikn" data-cite="Larrikn" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45924" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Any chance we could get some more alt cuts for people when/if there's a next update? Thanks!</div></blockquote> Do you have particular names in mind? I'm open for requests. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

alpha2117 · January 16, 2019

Alt Cut wise there's no American Dragon cut for Danielson

I love the mod and I am fine with it being tough but the USA has one active competitor who is at Draw level - The Rock who is semi active and on Hiatus

Japan has Lesnar Mutoh, Chono, Nakamura, Fujinami & Nagata

Mexico has Atlantis, Blue Panther, Dr Wagner Jr, El Hijo del Santo , L.A Par-K, Negro Casas, Ultimo Dragon & Ultimo Guerrero

Balance wise if Japan got 2 more draws and the USA 7 more draws I feel that would be more realistic. It was far from a golden age for the business and having a small number of guys who are draws in any area rather than stars makes it a challenge but with the pop how it is I cant see the US playing remotely close to reality. The WWE didn't collapse to Cult level and with the mod as is that seems like nigh impossible with exactly 0 people available as draws.

Britain has 9 draws total including Austin - all from the English speaking Americas meaning most of those guys are more popular in the Isles than they are at home.

I'd say 6 of Micheals, Taker, Cena, Batista, Sting, Hogan, Triple H and the undervalued Ric Flair would have strong cases to still be Draws in Jan 06. While Kenta Kobashi, Jushin Thunder Liger and Tiger Mask IV are probably draws in Japan at that point.

I wouldn't say you need a wholesale upgrade in pop just a few points on those people would make the gameplay a little more realistic without making it massively easier.

Larrikn · January 17, 2019

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mammoth" data-cite="Mammoth" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45924" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Do you have particular names in mind? I'm open for requests. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote> I was hoping for a couple cuts for Omega before the cleaner gimmick and Claudio before he went to the fed, thanks!

Mammoth · January 17, 2019

Alt Cut wise there's no American Dragon cut for Danielson.

I couldn't believe I hadn't added "American Dragon" as an Alter Ego when I read your post last night; I literally stared at the computer for a minute, turned on TEW and scrolled through everything to make sure you weren't just missing it. xD I've now added it as an Alter Ego and, of course, here's the picture:

I was hoping for a couple cuts for Omega before the cleaner gimmick and Claudio before he went to the fed, thanks!

Kenny Omega (with some more "Cleaner" pictures too)

Claudio Castagnoli

alpha2117 · January 17, 2019

MMM Dragon .. those are great.

infinitehallway · January 17, 2019

Just stumbled across this today, looks amazing and definitely something I want to dig in to. My only question is how often do you plan to update the data? No rush intended, I just don't want to start up then have new data come out within a week or two. Obviously this level of detail takes time, so I was just wondering what you expect your process to look like.

Can't wait to get in there!

S_Joker · January 17, 2019

Something I've noticed: once TNA gets out of the NWA (which in my saves apparently doesn't even take a week in) the NWA just disappears, but the titles can be bought, meaning, if we want to restart it we can, but the alliance titles can never be put at it's correct place.

Now, the only solution that I came up with it was adding another company to the NWA.

Thoughts?

Mammoth · January 17, 2019

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="alpha2117" data-cite="alpha2117" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45924" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>MMM Dragon .. those are great.</div></blockquote> Glad you like them. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="infinitehallway" data-cite="infinitehallway" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45924" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Just stumbled across this today, looks amazing and definitely something I want to dig in to. My only question is how often do you plan to update the data? No rush intended, I just don't want to start up then have new data come out within a week or two. Obviously this level of detail takes time, so I was just wondering what you expect your process to look like. Can't wait to get in there!</div></blockquote> Firstly, thanks so much for your warm words. Secondly, I think we're talking months rather than weeks for the next update because there's lots I want to do before releasing another update, not least the amount of new promotions I wish to add. So, if I was you, I'd get stuck in. Thirdly, I hope you enjoy. <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="S_Joker" data-cite="S_Joker" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45924" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Something I've noticed: once TNA gets out of the NWA (which in my saves apparently doesn't even take a week in) the NWA just disappears, but the titles can be bought, meaning, if we want to restart it we can, but the alliance titles can never be put at it's correct place. Now, the only solution that I came up with it was adding another company to the NWA. Thoughts?</div></blockquote> Yeah, I've actually thought about this too because something similar happens in the large majority of my testing games. The only trouble is finding promotions part of the National Wrestling Alliance that interest me in this time period. The promotions that interest me the most are NWA Cyberspace, NWA UK Hammerlock and NWA Hawaii (to give the database a promotion in Hawaii), but as the latter has very little information it's more likely to be one of the two former. NWA Cyberspace would probably be the most interesting as it genuinely had a partnership with TNA (even before they were part of the NWA) and there was a lot going on behind the scenes in the promotion, but if you've played any of my modifications before, you know I'm a sucker for a British promotion. xD Who knows? Maybe I'll add both.

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