Official Game Thread- Barebones 4 Mafia (The Revival November 2018)

[Astil]

<p>I do appreciate how well you are playing Derek.</p><p> </p><p>

I just don't buy what you are selling. But now it's not really on me. I put out my info and now it's on the rest of the players to make a decision.</p><p> </p><p>

I have my eye on a few in particular.</p>

[Arrows]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Just saw this... I was tired and I saw green. I'd already explained for about 20 posts before this whie winding up Outlaw that I was staying up just to see the write up, plus with only one kill I jumped to a conclusion while skim reading. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> Anywho, MQM time... this might take like... 30 minutes to do in sequential order.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Don't get the hate on green. Green is 99% of the time town, and generally masons. <strong><span style="color:#0000FF;">Blue </span></strong>and <strong><span style="color:#008000;">Green</span></strong> are town. <strong><span style="color:#FF0000;">Red</span></strong> and <strong>Black</strong> are scum. <strong><span style="color:#800080;">Purple</span></strong> is indy. If anything, cult would be <strong>Black</strong> or <strong><span style="color:#FFA500;">Orange</span></strong>. At least, that's the standard. Also, that write up is using color for the sake of using color to differentiate.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Astil" data-cite="Astil" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So you believe that in a game of 26 Outlaw gave two people the same very powerful role?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Sure. Hell, he even put in a student to learn an ability from someone if the assumption on what that role was is right. I think you over value a jailer, also. You think there's just one invest?</p>

[Astil]

Either way the decision should be made quick, so we can move to a new target in enough time.

[Astil]

<p>I'm overvaluing a 2 in 1 role the protects and roleblocks? </p><p> </p><p>

Has there ever been a game with 2?</p>

[Arrows]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Astil" data-cite="Astil" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm overvaluing a 2 in 1 role the protects and roleblocks? <p> </p><p> Has there ever been a game with 2?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You are. Both of those things are fantastic, but the combination of the two is lackluster until you get to the end game, and know who to block to prevent night kills, essentially making you a fancy roleblocker who makes sure other scum/vig can't kill the scum you're protecting.</p><p> </p><p> Or you're protecting a townie, who can't use their ability to help.</p><p> </p><p> Can't say that I've seen a game with 2. It's not a very common role over here.</p>

[Astil]

You are. Both of those things are fantastic, but the combination of the two is lackluster until you get to the end game, and know who to block to prevent night kills, essentially making you a fancy roleblocker who makes sure other scum/vig can't kill the scum you're protecting.

 

Or you're protecting a townie, who can't use their ability to help.

 

Can't say that I've seen a game with 2. It's not a very common role over here.

 

Do you believe a kill was blocked?

[Arrows]

Do you believe a kill was blocked?

 

No.

 

Could a kill have been blocked? Sure.

 

Could it have been blocked by someone other than you? Sure.

 

Could a SK have decided to not kill, or been inactive? Sure.

 

Convince me ONE of those is fact and the other two aren't.

[Crychon]

Vote: Crychon until you check in on my earlier posts from yesterday and nod at me. (no i have no details about him, just want him to pay attention to me )

 

I was purposely trying to avoid calling too much attention to it. I almost did acknowledge it, but then decided against it. Trust me, I know what you know.

[Astil]

No.

 

Could a kill have been blocked? Sure.

 

Could it have been blocked by someone other than you? Sure.

 

Could a SK have decided to not kill, or been inactive? Sure.

 

Convince me ONE of those is fact and the other two aren't.

 

Convince me of an option more likely to produce more information or a scum result today then?

[machinesxe]

Say my vote counted...sorry it didn’t. Had it caused the lynch, that would have given us the knowledge of Mach, and would show a double voter.

 

Honestly if he’s town I’m glad he’s still here.

 

I’m townie through and through.

[Astil]

...

 

Would Outlaw put a space between jail and keeper.

 

He seems a stickler for syntax...

[Arrows]

Convince me of an option more likely to produce more information or a scum result today then?

 

I've got nothing, and I'm not suggesting this isn't the right road to go down. I'm sad that Derek apparently won't be around for much of the phase so that this discussion can continue and be resolved in some fashion.

[Astil]

I've got nothing, and I'm not suggesting this isn't the right road to go down. I'm sad that Derek apparently won't be around for much of the phase so that this discussion can continue and be resolved in some fashion.

 

I am too, scum or town it is always more fun to talk it out. No shame on Derek either, we all have lives.

[Arrows]

I’m townie through and through.

 

I am too, scum or town it is always more fun to talk it out. No shame on Derek either, we all have lives.

 

Speaking of talking it out.

 

Mach, thoughts on almost dying?

[The Two]

Exciting start to Day 2! This whole Derek/Astil situation is very odd and it's tough to know who to believe. For either of them to straight up lying would be a super bold scum play, and at best would result in a 1-for-1 for them by the end of Day 3. Both are strong players, so that doesn't ring true at all.

 

Derek's too smart to claim an action if he's been blocked. However, I don't know if I'd expect a result PM for a non-information gathering role. But maybe I'm wrong, maybe you'd still get a "couldn't locate target" PM. It's been too long since I played this game, I don't remember what the standard procedures were anymore.

 

I'm not going to vote on anyone just now, but I would definitely like to hear Anti's thoughts on the whole thing still. Does he see himself anywhere? Were his activities successful? Thoughts and opinions?

 

Two other things:

 

My mafia rust may be showing, but is Physician a common alternate name for Jail Keeper? I don't remember ever seeing it before, but I don't remember a lot of things. It's the only thing that bothers me about Astil's claim, but it's more for a lack of knowledge on my side than because I doubt him. I literally don't doubt his claim at all and I want to make that very clear for later on if this becomes an issue.

Isn't doctor a common alternate for protector? I might be wrong, but that's all that comes to mind for me.

 

 

Until I see further evidence that the colors mean something in the write up, I’m working off the presumption that they’re just there to distinguish different characters in the overnight conversations and don’t link to roles.

 

I saw a possible roleblock or two (depending on how you read one section), a couple folks with eyes out in the community watching and looking into things, and at least one person who had multiple visitors. Not a lot to start with, I know, and in a way it raises more questions than answers to me as a few sections can be read multiple ways.

 

As for my hunches...

 

machinesxe-12(Astil, Destiny, Derek B, BlueStar, Arrows, Jaded, Paws7297, eayragt, Crychon, Wrestling Century, The Two, The Archer, (MLT in late with not properly formatted vote)

 

The underlined group is who I’m most suspicious of right now. I’m having trouble getting reads on them (ring rust, anyone?). The later in the list, the more suspicious I am. Remember, these are the ones who dropped votes within a span of the last 8 hours when Mach was at a “safe” distance for a D1 push that normally doesn’t go anywhere (unless the meta changed since I last played here.)

Since I saw my name mentioned (I'm honoured).

 

I know my vote came fairly late in the phase, I wasn't at all sure about joining the wagon on Mach, and I can admit that it was probably fairly reckless, but that seemed to be the collective will of the town and I was content to go with them and take a chance on achieving something (anything) on Day 1. You know the old joke about the politician who looks out the window, sees people marching and declares, "These are my people, I must find out where they're going so I can lead them"? That was the way people were going, I got on board.

 

I still find MLT's last second unformatted vote to be pretty suspect, but that only means something if they're both scum. Not something I have any interest in pushing right now, but if one of them turns up red...

[Astil]

If Derek's telling the truth I kinda want me and him to target each other to see what Outlaw would do.

[Antithesis]

*waves*

 

Astil, you're ruining my plan to lay low and do good things!

 

Gonna just say it straight up. I'm the jailer, I block/protect my targets. I targeted Antithesis last night on a hunch. And I'm 99% sure I stopped something bad for the town when I did that. I was hoping he'd come out and claim he was roleblocked so that we could lynch him without outing me OR I could sit on him for a while to make sure I was right about him. With only 1 kill someone was stopped from killing, otherwise the numbers for this game don't work.

 

So yeah.... we should probably lynch him.

 

VOTE: Antithesis

 

Pretty sure I'll be killed within a few nights now, I was hoping to live longer and do more!

 

Apologies all. I am having some health issues and I'll be seeing my doctor at the hospital tomorrow morning for some tests, based on that I may have to step away from the game. Anyway, wish me luck.

 

As for the game here, I cannot say you are definitively lying, I have something i can do but it isn't mandatory and I did not use it last night. Could all be a misunderstanding or a misreading of the text. Hell, who knows maybe there is a busdriver or something.

[The Two]

...

 

Would Outlaw put a space between jail and keeper.

 

He seems a stickler for syntax...

I don't know Outlaw, but the write-up isn't exactly perfect for grammar. That's a reach.

[machinesxe]

Speaking of talking it out.

 

Mach, thoughts on almost dying?

 

Well besides reading the suspense today to see if I got deep 6ed right off the rip. Not much except I’m interested in a number of folks who kind of slid there votes in the middle. I don’t know about the one that would’ve hit me late but I’m interested in a few others, I assume some of the same that others are looking at.

 

That said being that close to death and keeping my feet to the fire from the start could keep me alive a little longer as both the scum will want to have the town day phase me and they won’t want to waste their kill on me at night. Always safer being in the middle than on one side too much.

[The Two]

Apologies all. I am having some health issues and I'll be seeing my doctor at the hospital tomorrow morning for some tests, based on that I may have to step away from the game. Anyway, wish me luck.

Shit. Best of luck, man. Be well.

[Antithesis]

Shit. Best of luck, man. Be well.

 

Thank you, appreciate that.

[theoutlaw321]

OCC:Hope all goes well Anti. Thoughts and prayers! Just let me know.

 

And since I am in here; I will be at the hospital tomorrow also. But not for me. Tomorrow I become a Grandpa. So I plan on taking my laptop so I can try and keep you all in line. There may be gaps in my online in case something were to happen. That said, the phase still ends at 600EST/1100GST unless you all bring it to a close earlier. If something happens when I am not online, I will attend to it as soon as I am able. The end phase should not be a problem.

Thanks,

theoutlaw321

[Arrows]

Apologies all. I am having some health issues and I'll be seeing my doctor at the hospital tomorrow morning for some tests, based on that I may have to step away from the game. Anyway, wish me luck.

 

As for the game here, I cannot say you are definitively lying, I have something i can do but it isn't mandatory and I did not use it last night. Could all be a misunderstanding or a misreading of the text. Hell, who knows maybe there is a busdriver or something.

 

Sorry to hear. Hope everything goes well.

[Antithesis]

Sorry to hear. Hope everything goes well.

 

 

 

Thank you

 

Just also want to add because I am catching up, the cartwheel thing, I did that when I was Diddy Kong, a mafia Don not a hider... though it may have carried over in to other games. Wasn't VG 1 the game where Derek fake claimed and won? I dont even remember what Deek did I just remember being pissed

 

So, I will propose one more possible scenario, with only 1 kill last night, Scums gotta get some mislynches to win. You could have a Don or a group with a framer just come up with this scheme, get a mislynch wring your hat and scream "investigate me" during the night phase and out an investigator to provide a gamed result and ride that for as long as possible. Very risky but if it works you get a mislynch and townies thinking your good

 

That would be a slick ass scenario too.

 

Not saying that is what this is, so don't think I am pushing to lynch him, but we should definately test him.

[Antithesis]

Thank you

 

Just also want to add because I am catching up, the cartwheel thing, I did that when I was Diddy Kong, a mafia Don not a hider... though it may have carried over in to other games. Wasn't VG 1 the game where Derek fake claimed and won? I dont even remember what Deek did I just remember being pissed

 

So, I will propose one more possible scenario, with only 1 kill last night, Scums gotta get some mislynches to win. You could have a Don or a group with a framer just come up with this scheme, get a mislynch wring your hat and scream "investigate me" during the night phase and out an investigator to provide a gamed result and ride that for as long as possible. Very risky but if it works you get a mislynch and townies thinking your good

 

That would be a slick ass scenario too.

 

Not saying that is what this is, so don't think I am pushing to lynch him, but we should definately test him.

 

Astil VG1 was your game, was it Derek that had his team basically block/jail himself for a day to win?