The All Elite Wrestling Discussion Thread

[fullMETAL]

AEW's twitter just posted that Jericho will be defending the belt against Cody at Full Gear.

 

Probably the first question that would be asked as a result is: will Cody ACTUALLY book himself to win it, or will he pick the better business option and have Jericho successfully defend?

[Mootinie]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="fullMETAL" data-cite="fullMETAL" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46243" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>AEW's twitter just posted that Jericho will be defending the belt against Cody at Full Gear.<p> </p><p> Probably the first question that would be asked as a result is: will Cody ACTUALLY book himself to win it, or will he pick the better business option and have Jericho successfully defend?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> In all fairness I think Cody has been presented better than anybody else on the roster so far.</p>

[milamber]

Cody has the best singles win/loss record and can afford to take the loss to Jericho. Winner of Mox/Omega or PAC should get a shot at the next PPV after that.

[Greylocke]

I split the show (All Out) up and watched over the span of 2 weekends. Agree with those who say it went a little too long. Besides the pre-show Women's Battle Royal (which was sloppy and poorly-booked), there wasn't any bad matches, but like the last event I felt that the show was dragged down by a relatively lackluster main event. Not that I would have changed the match order, since the AEW Title match absolutely should go last. But seeing that match after seeing Omega vs PAC being the absolute best match of the night was kind of grating simply because....well, this was the main event we could (and probably should) have gotten for this event, and instead we have it here on the undercard outshining the main event. Being on the match#2 slot also felt weird, but maybe that's because i'm too used to WWE booking unimportant matches in this slot so often. If Omega is going to put over PAC on this show then it might as well have happened as the title match, considering the whole dispute was due to DG not wanting PAC to lose. I know things changed that were beyond control, but it's still disappointing in how this all turned out. Jericho vs Page wasn't bad by any means, but it's still the second-worst match of the night (not counting the pre-show Women's). The only other match I'd rank below it is the Dark Order match. I'm not even a fan of the 3-way hardcore, and I find even that to be more memorable than the main event.

 

The most memorable part that sticks out in my mind about the main event is their portrayal of the badass lady referee.

 

The tag division actually looks the most stacked compared to the rest of the roster. The main event scene is still lacking in legit big stars, which is understandable. The women's division doesn't have a lot of good workers that I can see outside the joshi, although admittedly the battle royal doesn't do a good job of showcasing talents (seriously, Mercedes Martinez was the only one who did well in that match), so maybe I'm missing some good ones, but their insistence on pushing Nyla Rose is discouraging. From what I've seen thus far, they're urgently in need of a developmental brand just for their women. Maybe hire Martinez to be the trainer.

 

The tag division, as mentioned was what entertained me the most thus far, although again I'm not a fan of the team they appear to be pushing over the rest (Dark Order). Private Party joins Jungle Boy on my budding list of "guys that AEW showcased to me and made me a fan of". Watching their match with Evans/Angelico has me think "what is this match doing on the pre-show, this belongs on the main card", and I was even more convinced after that comparatively less interesting match between Dark Order and Best Friends. The wrong team won at Fight for the Fallen, and either of the other 2 teams would have done so much better here (and both deserve the bye more). But maybe that's the point: the Dark Order gets the bye so that means one less match I'd have to watch them wrestle in the tournament, so I guess that could be the silver lining.

 

Cody vs Spears was the definition of the "Overbooked Mayhem match that hides the fact that neither competitors are very interesting in the ring" Match Aim in TEW. It worked well to hide both men's limitations, so well-booked.

[fullMETAL]

Finally got around to watching Fight For The Fallen main show last night, and I thought it went pretty well for the most part (except for Brandi/Allie and SCU/Luchas, any botches I saw were minor enough that I barely even noticed them).

 

I thought the Triple Tag and the 6-Tag were REALLY fun matches to watch -- Luchasaurus, Darby Allin, and Jimmy Havoc were absolutely my non-Bucks/Rhodes MVPs of the show.

Omega and CIMA dueling with the Perfect Driver early in their match made me think of this line to commentate: "CIMA may have pioneered the Perfect Driver, but Omega may have PERFECTED it--pun intended--and CIMA wants to prove HE'S still the MASTER of it!"

(And by "think of", I mean "I said it out loud over the actual commentary" )

 

The Double Or Nothing match finally made me a fan of the Young Bucks, and their match against the Rhodes Brothers only cemented WHY I'm now a fan of them -- they managed to work a drama-filled match with 2 of the absolute best dramatic wrestlers of yesteryear AND today that would've fit right in in the classic days, and everything they did made sense in the progression of the match.

That match to me was a perfect example of how to run a simple match with a simple story, except that half of the "old-school" moves that would've been used back then were replaced by more flippy and high-flying moves of today.

I would say that 2019 is the year the Young Bucks officially went from a "spot-festy pop-the-boys-and-piss-off-Cornette" tag team to "actually legitimately in the running for the actual top tag team in the entire world".

I'm all-aboard the Buxpress now, CHOO-CHOO.

 

I popped huge for the Rhodes Brothers doing the tag-team Cross Rhodes, Stereo Shattered Dreams, and the Stereo Curtain Call and Stereo Cross Rhodes.

 

Also, is it just me, or did anybody else here REALLY want to hear the rest of the Bucks' post-match promo about how good the Rhodes Brothers were that got cut off for time by the check presentation?

 

 

Man, I can't wait to get around to watching All Out.

[fullMETAL]

<p>Watched the Buy In for All Out last night, and my thoughts:</p><p> </p><p>

- Justin Roberts is good, but why was his volume so low when he was introducing the rest of the participants in the Casino Battle Royale?</p><p> </p><p>

- So many instant angles came out of the Royale, and I can't wait to see them play out on AEW TV. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p>

(Also, I wouldn't put it past them to do a strange-bedfellows tag match with Nyla & Allie versus Brandi & Kong anytime soon)</p><p> </p><p>

- Private Party are genuine mint, and if they were in WWE or ROH, they'd be RUINED. (They'd be fine in Impact though)</p><p>

AEW is the PERFECT place for them, and that crowd LOVED them, and so did I.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

And on a related but separate note, Peter Avalon (The Librarian) is taking on Nick Aldis at AZ150 in Championship Wrestling From Arizona for the NWA World's Heavyweight Championship.</p><p>

 

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Now...I KNOW Avalon WON'T win (he's lost every NWA Title match he's had so far), but holy crap, what if he DOES??</p><p>

And what if somebody in AEW HELPS him do it???</p><p>

(Hell, let's go all the way here: WHAT IF <em>JERICHO</em> HELPS HIM WIN IT?????)</p><p>

(Yes, that's just fantasy booking, but Jericho versus Aldis on AEW TV or at NWA Anniversary would be EPIC)</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

(adding edit rather than a new post)</p><p>

Finally got around to watching All Out main show! Here are my thoughts.</p><p> </p><p>

- Luchasaurus is a g-d STAR.</p><p>

- Omega passing out to the Brutalizer rather than tapping was probably the best Kenny-losing solution that could've been made, given the circumstances. Pac also looked like an absolute star in that match, and WWE really screwed the pooch on that one.</p><p>

- Joey Janela has probably the goofiest-looking running animation (lol) in the entirety of pro wrestling. XD Also, Darby Allin is absolutely going to be AEW Champion by the end of next year, I'm calling it now. I'm also gonna call the eventual official team-up of Janela & Havoc to go after the Tag belts.</p><p>

- Stu Grayson was awesome in the tag match, and Orange Cassidy in the post-match was amazing. Also, I chuckle every time the Best Friends Hug gets the Rainmaker Camera Zoom.</p><p>

- I thought Riho earned her win, and the Riho/Nyla rematch is a ready-made story, but I think Shida probably <em>should've</em> won this one, just a feeling I had.</p><p>

- JEEZUS that Cody/Spears match. WWE absolutely slept on Spears. I thought the post-match MJF thing could've been tweaked a bit, with him maybe asking Cody if he should hit Spears with the chair, THEN throwing it away cuz Cody goes "nah". The "MJF betrays Cody" teasing probably wasn't necessary at that particular moment, given how well I thought that they semi-subtly handled it during the match itself.</p><p>

- Man, Nick & Matt went through some shizz in that ladder match. For a ladder match, I thought it was pretty good, but I thought their Double Or Nothing match was better.</p><p>

- Page should've sold the leg injury a bit more during that final Buckshot attempt at the end of the match, but other than that, I thought it went really well! <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Jericho as the inaugural champion will definitely lead to better starting storylines with the potential challengers, but there could've been some plusses having Page be the first champ instead (especially if his first title defense feud was with either MJF or Pac).</p><p> </p><p>

All in all (lol), I thought it was a good show all-around, the highs were really high, and the lows were sporadic enough and not severe enough to hamper the rest of the show.</p><p> </p><p>

Also, wow, the way they handled the "Pharaoh getting spooked by the pyro" part was really...just...wow. Definitely not a good look for Cody and the Nightmare Family on that one.</p>

[milamber]

Road to TNT 1-3:

 

 

Official TV poster:

 

[fullMETAL]

<p>So, quick speculation question: once Dustin Rhodes <em>officially</em> retires as a wrestler, will he be transitioned into a Coach role?</p><p> </p><p>

Speaking of, the Cody/Spears match got me thinking, what if the Coaches were officially each in charge of their own "teams" in a fashion similar to the Stable System in NJPW, and some sort of, oh, I dunno, <em>DRAFT</em> was held at some point in the future?</p><p> </p><p>

Though, instead of groups being broken up, they'd get drafted into a team together (like, SCU and Jurassic Express wouldn't be broken up during said draft, they'd just be drafted all together as solid trios...though breaking teams up between coaches sometime WAY down the line COULD lead to some neat angles where the former teammates would be super hesitant about facing each other and stuff).</p><p>

And teammates generally wouldn't face each other except in tournaments/leagues, and if more than one member qualifies for a Title Contendership match and stuff.</p>

[CQI13]

Should have just stuck with AEW on TNT.

[Astyn]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46243" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Should have just stuck with AEW on TNT.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Nah</p>

[milamber]

<p>New Road to TNT:

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<a href="https://www.sescoops.com/aew-raids-impact-wrestling-production-team/" rel="external nofollow">https://www.sescoops.com/aew-raids-impact-wrestling-production-team/</a></p><p> </p><p>

Show #1 Card:</p><p>

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Jon Moxley appears</strong></p><p><strong>

Cody vs Sammy Guevara</strong></p><p><strong>

MJF vs Brandon Cutler</strong></p><p><strong>

PAC vs Hangman Page</strong></p><p><strong>

Riho vs Nyla Rose for the Women's Title</strong></p><p><strong>

Kenny Omega & The Young Bucks vs Chris Jericho & 2 mystery partner</strong></p>

[milamber]

[BHK1978]

I had no clue that Luchasaurus is Austin from the American version of Big Brother. Now that I know it is kind of disappointing because I thought Luchasaurus was kind of cool, but knowing that tool is the person under the mask makes it hard for me to like him.

[milamber]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46243" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I had no clue that Luchasaurus is Austin from the American version of Big Brother. Now that I know it is kind of disappointing because I thought Luchasaurus was kind of cool, but knowing that tool is the person under the mask makes it hard for me to like him.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Wouldn't have a clue what he ued to be like but he seems cool these days.</p>

[Rickymex]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46243" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Wouldn't have a clue what he ued to be like but he seems cool these days.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If the idea that he's a tool comes from Big Brother I wouldn't trust it. Personalities on reality TV shows are completely different from real life. He even talks about it on his recent Talk is Jericho appearance.</p>

[BHK1978]

If the idea that he's a tool comes from Big Brother I wouldn't trust it. Personalities on reality TV shows are completely different from real life. He even talks about it on his recent Talk is Jericho appearance.

 

If it were any other reality show I would tend to agree. But Big Brother has cameras filming them unedited every day. The viewers can watch the live feed anytime (Unless it cuts out). Therefore, unless he could put up an act for eighty-nine days (which I highly doubt even the best method actor could do), I do think I can formulate a pretty accurate opinion of him.

 

Plus the dude hardly ever showered and would frequently not wash his hands after going to the bathroom (I did not keep track of this personally, but it was a running joke on the website I follow Big Brother on. There was also a running joke bet over how long it would take him to shower). I understand him not washing up would make him a patron saint to a lot of the wrestling fans (Come on, everyone has a nose and upon attending a wrestling show you tend to wish you lost your sense of smell as a good portion of the fans clearly do not believe in personal hygiene.).

[TLCJR4LIFE]

WWE didn’t screw up anything with Neville, he was feuding with the biggest star in the cruiserweight division when he decided to take his ball home because he was too big of a mark for himself.

 

 

Good riddance. I’m honestly hoping AEW isn’t pigeonhold into using him too much because he pulled the same stunt with them earlier this year where he refused to do a show because he didn’t want to take a fall.

[milamber]

WWE didn’t screw up anything with Neville, he was feuding with the biggest star in the cruiserweight division when he decided to take his ball home because he was too big of a mark for himself.

 

 

Good riddance. I’m honestly hoping AEW isn’t pigeonhold into using him too much because he pulled the same stunt with them earlier this year where he refused to do a show because he didn’t want to take a fall.

 

He was too good to stay on 205 Live permanently but Vince wanted him there. Neville got himself over. He was also scheduled to lose the title to Enzo who was coasting on his mic work and was hated backstage.

[TLCJR4LIFE]

<p>Enzo was several legions more over than Neville.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

Neville is just a guy. Literally had and still has no drawing power whatsoever. But the fact that he thinks he’s bigger than the show and the companies booking him is the issue, there’s no place for guys like that.</p>

[Jaysin]

<p>Just read a report that Jack Swagger might show up on Dynamite tomorrow</p><p> </p><p>

Also just read an interview with Cody Rhodes. He has the rights to Battlebowl and Bunkhouse Stampede</p>

[milamber]

AEW will be live on TSN in Canada.

[milamber]

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[BlueStar]

No subscription option for mainland Europe on Fyte.

[Master Gilmore]

Cody = Tommy Cornell

[Jaysin]

Cody vs Sammy was pretty dang good. Wasn’t sold on Sammy before this but now I’m a fan