Matt_Black Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Bryan Keith hollering at the audience to listen up about corn was something I never knew I needed to hear until I heard it. Also, it's infuriating that they can never seem to fit in more than one women's match per show, but they ALWAYS find time for a Juice Robinson promo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal Phoenix Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 7 hours ago, Mootinie said: Before this Learning Tree thing, Bryan Keith was a newly signed free agent who couldn’t get on the show. Big Bill was off TV whilst Ricky Starks tries to figure out whether he wants to work here or not. Hook was stuck on the Buy In and tagging in meme teams. Yes, the creative could be better but none of these guys were tearing it down before Jericho pulled them into his vortex. He does, at least, give other talents something to do. Agreed. Also notice how very quietly he's slipped down the card in the last year or two. He's not feuding with top talent or blue chippers anymore. He hasn't challenged for an AEW or ROH singles title in ages. Even his tag challenges were a bit ago. I don't remember the last time he won a feud before toppling Hook, and I'd argue that the FTW title was starting to drag Hook down at this point. He may be the worst part of AEW programming at this point, but he's at least TRYING to do what aging wrestlers are supposed to do. Use their name value and fading talents to help the younger generations get over. Mootine mentioned Bill and Keith, but the last time Private Party were on TV (prior to Marq Quen's injury) was as Matt Hardy flunkies in the wake of the HFO mercifully ending. Isaiah Kassidy has been an occasionally appearing jobber in between then and now. Definitely in a better spot. And before anyone says "they could just do it without Jericho", he's more comfortable and experienced on the mike than all four of them put together. Does it suck? Yeah. Would it work and thus have 4 guys on TV who weren't before without him? Hell, no. Y'all would rightfully crap all over it. There ain't no winning here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdBloodedSausageMaker Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 (edited) On 6/14/2024 at 8:28 AM, Eternal Phoenix said: Agreed. Also notice how very quietly he's slipped down the card in the last year or two. He's not feuding with top talent or blue chippers anymore. He hasn't challenged for an AEW or ROH singles title in ages. Even his tag challenges were a bit ago. I don't remember the last time he won a feud before toppling Hook, and I'd argue that the FTW title was starting to drag Hook down at this point. He may be the worst part of AEW programming at this point, but he's at least TRYING to do what aging wrestlers are supposed to do. Use their name value and fading talents to help the younger generations get over. Mootine mentioned Bill and Keith, but the last time Private Party were on TV (prior to Marq Quen's injury) was as Matt Hardy flunkies in the wake of the HFO mercifully ending. Isaiah Kassidy has been an occasionally appearing jobber in between then and now. Definitely in a better spot. And before anyone says "they could just do it without Jericho", he's more comfortable and experienced on the mike than all four of them put together. Does it suck? Yeah. Would it work and thus have 4 guys on TV who weren't before without him? Hell, no. Y'all would rightfully crap all over it. There ain't no winning here. CW: Discussion of adult themes (SA accusations against a wrestler) Disagree here. Jericho's problem is that the crowd is reacting to him very negatively, to the point Jericho drags down any other talent put with him. AEW fans don't want Jericho on TV after he was accused of indecent conduct and are reacting accordingly. In TEW terms, Jericho is toxic, and Jericho being toxic drags down every angle, because the crowd heckle Jericho out of the building. Right now, Jericho is poison to any wrestler on the AEW roster, and he shouldn't be on TV in a prominent role. He definitely shouldn't be working with stars like Hook or potential stars like Bryan Keith. Edited June 15 by ColdBloodedSausageMaker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CQI13 Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 3 hours ago, ColdBloodedSausageMaker said: CW: Discussion of adult themes (SA accusations against a wrestler) Disagree here. Jericho's problem is that the crowd is reacting to him very negatively, to the point Jericho drags down any other talent put with him. AEW fans don't want Jericho on TV after he was accused of indecent conduct and are reacting accordingly. In TEW terms, Jericho is toxic, and Jericho being toxic drags down every angle, because the crowd heckle Jericho out of the building. Right now, Jericho is poison to any wrestler on the AEW roster, and he shouldn't be on TV in a prominent role. He definitely shouldn't be working with stars like Hook or potential stars like Bryan Keith. Not that it seems to matter, but have the accusations been proven true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mootinie Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 AEW definitely have this problem where you're either an experienced veteran with years in the business who is creative enough to pitch their own stuff. Or you're Tony's flavour of the month, he books your stuff for you and he moves heaven and earth to put you over strongly. If you're neither of those things, you're a guy like Hook and you spend 18 months doing a whole lot of nothing, which kills any momentum you may or may not have gathered beforehand. Or you're a guy like Bryan Keith and you get signed for being decent but they don't really have anything for you to do. I understand the criticisms of Chris Jericho but the alternative here is nothing because the likes of Big Bill are the sorts of talents that Tony forgets he has on the books. He doesn't prioritise creative for these guys and it takes a Chris Jericho to bring them into his loop so they can have a prominent position on the programme. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted June 29 Author Share Posted June 29 My free time is opening up a bit more, so going to attempt to add Dynamite and Collision back to my weekly watching. Looking at the card for Forbidden Door and on paper, it should be quite a good show. I don't recognize Stephanie Vaquer, or her name though. Danielson vs Shingo has all the makings of a MOTY contender. Mox and Naito should be fun too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_Black Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 You know, I look at Zack Sabre Junior and think. "THIS is the guy that everyone is trying to convince me that Will Ospreay is." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted June 30 Author Share Posted June 30 29 minutes ago, Matt_Black said: You know, I look at Zack Sabre Junior and think. "THIS is the guy that everyone is trying to convince me that Will Ospreay is." I'd rather watch ZSJ over Will any day. I do like Will, but ZSJ is so fluid in his movements and his technical skills are crisp. His movements look like they matter I guess is what I'm trying to say. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_Black Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 11 minutes ago, Jaysin said: I'd rather watch ZSJ over Will any day. I do like Will, but ZSJ is so fluid in his movements and his technical skills are crisp. His movements look like they matter I guess is what I'm trying to say. Not just that. He GETS it. He actually has charm and character and personality. I actually CARE if he wins or loses a match. Will's entire shtick is "Look how many stars Dave Meltzer gives me", which, you know, covers a lot of guys in AEW. ZSJ is the total package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted July 1 Author Share Posted July 1 The banter between Taz and Nigel during Shingo vs Bryan was fun as heck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mootinie Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Wow, it felt like Stephanie Vaquer wrestled circles around Mercedes Mone. She was very very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal Phoenix Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 2 hours ago, Mootinie said: Wow, it felt like Stephanie Vaquer wrestled circles around Mercedes Mone. She was very very good. According to Mercedes herself, she wanted to "make" Vaquer in that match. Mission successful, do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_Black Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 The beginning of the promo with sincere Britt Baker? Eh. The end of the promo with catty, snarky Britt Baker? GLORIOUS. THAT is was the problem (well one of many problems) with the Outcast feud. No one wants to cheer for plucky do-good babyface Britt. We fell in love with the obnoxious Britt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawn Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 2 hours ago, Eternal Phoenix said: According to Mercedes herself, she wanted to "make" Vaquer in that match. Mission successful, do you think? I don't think Vaquer needed to be ''made'' at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdBloodedSausageMaker Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 Not sure what I think of the MJF heel turn. MJF -- and the announcers -- are doing the best they can to make the fans hate him. He still got a very mixed reaction from this crowd in Memphis, which was more boos than I heard when MJF turned in Buffalo. I'm worried at this point many fans will cheer MJF no matter what, particularly the "smart" crowds. I can't think much more MJF can do to turn the fans against him. Once the fans turn a cool heel, it's difficult to make them boo the heel again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_Black Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 It feels very much like the Starks heel turn from last year, where they decided they absolutely wanted CM Punk to be a face, and Starks was therefore turned heel even if the crowd wasn't really behind it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdBloodedSausageMaker Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 (edited) On 7/7/2024 at 4:09 AM, Matt_Black said: It feels very much like the Starks heel turn from last year, where they decided they absolutely wanted CM Punk to be a face, and Starks was therefore turned heel even if the crowd wasn't really behind it. I do think they will boo MJF for the showdown with Osprey at All In. That should be a great match on top for the card, and I imagine it'll be an instant classic. Osprey's improved with his charisma and promos and he's really connecting with the fans on the microphone as much or more than in the ring. He got his gimmick more over than many thought he would -- AEW so far has done a great job setting up that match. Can't wait for that All In match. Edited July 8 by ColdBloodedSausageMaker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_Black Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 And yet, with them pushing Ospreay in multiple segments every show, Dynamite has seen the lowest TV ratings it's ever had. Huh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawn Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 Whew, what a turn for Mariah May, got me emotional even just by skimming through the end of how it went. I will be following this feud every single segment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdBloodedSausageMaker Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 On 7/8/2024 at 10:20 AM, Matt_Black said: And yet, with them pushing Ospreay in multiple segments every show, Dynamite has seen the lowest TV ratings it's ever had. Huh. Looking at the quarterlies last week, AEW got a much lower lead-in for 07/03/24 Dynamite than 06/29/24 Dynamite. So with Ospreay featured in the main event, they kept a lot more fans. AEW gave Will a lot of mic time this week. He's definitely gotten better on the microphone, though his promos definitely have some rough edges. The crowd loves him though. Still, there's a definite advantage former WWE Talent have in the ratings. Mercedes and Jarrett's segments did relatively well even though neither has been pushed that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 The Toni Storm - Mariah May - Mina Shinakawa story overall has been excellent and was, for me, the most hyped match on Forbidden Door. With Mariah turning on Toni immediately after winning the Owen, I hope we get to continue the story even more because it's been absolutely compelling TV 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollywoodshinebox Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 On 7/8/2024 at 6:20 PM, Matt_Black said: And yet, with them pushing Ospreay in multiple segments every show, Dynamite has seen the lowest TV ratings it's ever had. Huh. The problem is thinking someone will get the ratings going on. Not even in WWE that was happening, when Vince was still at the creative helm, they were coasting on the brand name alone and losing viewers week in week out. If the product doesn't improve massively, it doesn't matter who is on the show. Like me, there are a lot of people, we stopped watching, because we didn't like the booking path. They could get The Rock and I still wouldn't care beyond watching a clip here and there on reddit, but if word got out that AEW is really hot booking wise... that might move the needle. The problem I'm afraid they have is that since 2022 they dug the hole so much and now it's really hard to be hot and attract people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juan_historico Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 2 hours ago, hollywoodshinebox said: The problem is thinking someone will get the ratings going on. Not even in WWE that was happening, when Vince was still at the creative helm, they were coasting on the brand name alone and losing viewers week in week out. If the product doesn't improve massively, it doesn't matter who is on the show. Like me, there are a lot of people, we stopped watching, because we didn't like the booking path. They could get The Rock and I still wouldn't care beyond watching a clip here and there on reddit, but if word got out that AEW is really hot booking wise... that might move the needle. The problem I'm afraid they have is that since 2022 they dug the hole so much and now it's really hard to be hot and attract people. But as you said, you cannot expect to recuperate in one month all the steam you lose in two years, You need to book well and consistent, and then the trend might be reverse. For a Brand which is now establish and which lost the "it" factor of bein the new kid on the block, could be expect to find down periods. But if we can learn something of the finals years of WCW is tha hotshooting again after you have been nuclear hot, might not be the best way to recuperate those fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_Black Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 (edited) Skye Blue looks different tonight, but I can't quite put my finger on how. Edited July 21 by Matt_Black 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdBloodedSausageMaker Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 The Ospreay vs. MJF Match from Dynamite drew AEW much better ratings than usual -- the four segments from the match significantly outdrew last week's episode. AEW drew nearly 100,000 more viewers to Dynamite this week than last week and the AEW Main event actually drew less than this week. Ospreay was also in the highest-rated segment last week too. From this small sample, it does appear Will Osprey is a draw. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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